Testing the “20x” Immersion Method for 100 Days
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
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Timestamps
0:00 Why do the challenge
1:02 The Rules
1:28 The Journey Begins
3:06 Lingopie
4:10 The Test!
5:24 Anki vs. Immersion
6:35 Language Learning = Investing
8:02 Motivation in Unknown Territory
8:49 Lessons
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I appreciate your heart for the data with these experiments, but the thing about the 20x exposure rule is that it's not just any exposure that works - rather the suggestion is that after 20 exposures to a word where you understand the message and function of the word, you'll have fairly safely acquired it. That's why libraries like Dreaming Spanish, Comprehensible Japanese, and Comprehensible Input Korean work for people without study, but jumping into cartoons, podcasts, and dramas without study generally gives quite poor/slow results. The CI channels get you those dozens of exposures while providing you with unambiguous visual context to understand the words, even as a total beginner, while cartoons and dramas assume you already know the language and that they can use the words to provide context to the story, not the other way around.
very well put and point totally taken
hi can you share which language have you learned only with comprehensible input channels and no outside study/subtitles/translations and how many hours you put in? :D
@@olivia5030
My Experience with Learning Spanish:
Dreaming Spanish: 122 hours watched
Outside the platform: 362 hours (including UA-cam, podcasts, movies, series)
Total: 484 hours
88k words: comics
10k words: book
Total: 98k words
After 122 hours of Dreaming Spanish, I found it boring and started searching for native-to-native content. I can say that Dreaming Spanish provided me with the foundational understanding of the language that I needed, including the most common words. Now, I can consume native content without much struggle.
I should also mention that my mother tongue is Ukrainian, which makes it more difficult for me to learn a Romance language compared to an English or Romance language speaker. So I believe the time I spent learning Spanish is relatively short. Additionally, I haven't touched grammar or used a translator for my studies.
I hope this information helps you.
One of the most underrated language learning channels out there. You deserve 1 million subs instead of those “UA-cam polyglots”.
i was going to watch a video of you, forgot your channel name but opened youtube anyways, you proceeded to appear as the first video of my fyp
Congrats on getting your first sponsor! Love your videos, they have a great mix of using data to understand language learning, while understanding the limitations of the results and recognizing that there's a ton of methods that can be useful. Awesome work!
Thanks! 😃
As someone who learning a language with not to much resources, thank you for these videos. You are helping me think of creative ways to achieve results!
This is an incredible video. It deserves a lot of views
This channel has an original, useful approach, and the quality is excellent. Thank you for your work!
GREAT video :) I really appreciate this new route you're exploring of testing your own previous analysis with new-for-you languages. Very inspiring and insightful!
It's an honor that you are studying my mother tongue. You did an amazing job! Hope you won't quit. I love this channel. Keep going!
"A feel for the music of the Polish language." That's a really nice way to say "szczść" xD
I like your nerdy approach to language learning. It would be interesting to see if you make a larger version of this project.
Great video, I can definitely see this channel getting very big. I love the no nonsense and evidence based content. Also your videos have insipired me to try this same challenge and see how many words I can pick up for Spanish
good luck!
I'd definitely recommend polishpod's 2 hour input vid, it massively improved my polish, I spent a few weeks watching and rewatching all of the "situations" until I could mostly understand all of them
Wow that would've been another great resource. Because the transcripts for Easy Polish were readily available and high quality, that's why I used only their content to enable high quality data tracking. But this is super helpful
So much detail on how you study. I like it!!! 🙏🏼
I try to force this type of exposure by making use of the "10 questions" template by Med School Insiders. So you can make 1-10 question cards, which all ultimately lead to the same answer. When I come across a word, I copy the sentence, and find 1-9 more sentences that I fully grasp. So it becomes forced comprehensible input, albeit in a less organic setting.
hi, i'm absolutely in LOVE with your channel ! You seem like such a good man, and I love your experimental approach to language learning ! keep doing what you're doing !
Please consider a Lingq video. Sentence by sentence with audio and translations.
Just commenting for the algorithm, this is brilliant stuff
responding quickly just for the algorithm - thanks yo!
I'm impressed you were able to stick to a serious 100 day challenge for the channel studying a language that seems arbitrary to you (maybe I'm wrong on that). One huge problem with language learning channels is that it doesn't include any kind of objective testing. Just using yourself as a test subject might not be enough for a real academic study but it's way ahead of anything else I'm seeing on UA-cam. I really appreciate your hard work and look forward to the next video.
Part of my family lived in Poland 100 years ago which is why I picked the language (I should've mentioned that in the video) so it was only 80% arbitrary 😉.
I just love your approach and on the same page for language learning philosophy. Just keep going and your channel will get big, I believe in it. Well, you already have more than five thousand people watching you. That's a lot of people!
Interessantes Video👍 Schön sachlich gehalten und gut vorgetragen👏
This is a very nice video (unlike the Sponge Bob one)! You actually did the experiment and it was interesting to follow. Congrats on the success🎉
I'd like to note that you made your input comprehensible by:
1) Studying words
2) Having English subtitles
Simply watching Sponge Bob in Polish most likely wouldn't work.
I watched Easy German and it also helped me
i would love to see you analyses the effectiveness of rewatching shows or movies, could it be better to watch the same movie 20 times or watch 20 unique movies?
I started learning German about 5 months back. I use Anki for vocab, 20 new words a day and I use German Netflix shows for input. I spend a total of about 2 hours everyday but I am quite astonished at the comprehension abilities I now have. Anki + immersion is such a powerful strategy
that's awesome to hear! that's really really great. For German, I'd also recommend any podcast from die Zeit and also the Easy German podcast/UA-cam channel. Even if you're not catching everything, if you're up for it, the extra listening can help you get even more comfortable
hey ! what german shows do you watch ?
@@solange3172 I watched Young Sheldon in German, then How to sell drugs online ( its a german original).. Now am watching Easy German videos on UA-cam and also a few German UA-camrs like Luca
In a near future i intend to do something like that with the korean language. But i still trying improve my english before i start to really learn korean. Almost all my engilsh abilities come from the immersion and i want to try in other language, my native language is portuguese
Boa mano
The amount of work you put into these videos is huge. Super interesting, do you think you could create a guide for learning German, or any language after all you’ve learned. There are so many “comprehensive guides” out there but they all just seem to shill their own products and from the person you seem to be from your videos I don’t feel you would do this. Found your channel recently and I’m learning German (similarly for my German partner). Great content
I'll add this to the list of video ideas and see what I can come up with. My challenge will be making a compelling video that's not just "1 more language learning guide" since there are plenty of them there.
Congrats on the sponsorship! That's huge news, and definitely deserved! On an unrelated note, I've heard you mention the 20x rule before. Could you share the article that comes from? I'm curious if it's 20 on average or just >20 to learn a new word.
"The Effects of Repetition on Incidental Vocabulary Learning: A Meta-Analysis of Correlational Studies" Uchihara et al. 😛
do this again with the extra controls! Its fascinating
Very interesting, I've started watching a German tv show to help with my German because of your videos, and am doing Anki consistently. I wonder how this would work with Arabic/Hebrew/Aramaic/etc., where it can be harder for non-natives to understand new words because of the triconsonantal roots.
Thanks!
dude. thank you!
EDIT: I can't find a way to PM you but really, thank you!
I'd love it if your experiments could be carried out by a team of researchers with proper randomizations and controls. Alas, there are only so many language learners as analytic and method-loyal as you (and I, for that matter).
Could you share your Anki deck? I'm having a hard time finding a good one for Polish.
Can someone give me the skinny of the findings?
Astounding video! The implications of this are profound and go beyond just language learning, embracing other types of learning. UA-camrs in other “learning” spaces should embrace this data-driven approach to content.
I’d be curious if skill acquisition (like in music) follows the same principles.
The r/Anki subreddit is a masterclass in data driven dedication to learning. I know there are a few people who have used tools like Anki to practice music which is absolutely fascinating
I'm sorry if I missed this in the video but approximately how much time did you spend per day watching videos and using anki?
I meant to call this out in the video! I spent just an average of 10 minutes per day on Anki, which is super efficient imo (and better spent than a comparable amount of time in Luodingo). The 27 hours total that I mentioned in the video includes immersing and Anki.
Have you tried mnemonic associations? I’m crap at making them, but often times if I make a good visual association I can remember that word even if I only see it once or twice. Memorising cards just by Anki is good for the first 1000, but I find it harder to memorise words unless I’m seeing them very often
I actually just finished making a deck of cards for the 110 Messier objects in astronomy and relied heavily on mnemonics. I haven't directly tried it for language learning but has been on my mind!
@@OneWordataTime1 I dude I watch on UA-cam says he can do 100 a day easily, I’ve been doing it but trying to make them takes me a while, so I can do maybe 10. But I’ve gone through the 1000 Germans words refold deck, with just normal flash card memorisation and have been disappointed how many I still forget. Once I get faster at it, I think it’s the most efficient way to learn vocabulary, because the words I have used mnemonics on definitely stick way better
@@shamicentertainment1262 Can you link to his channel? Take undocumented internet claims with a grain of salt 😅. Is he a student / unemployed / a trust fund baby? If he has tons of time or a hyper creative brain, maybe 100 is doable, but then he's probably also doing 1000+ Anki reviews a day which takes a certain level of dedication / insanity.
If 10/day is working for you, do that for a few months and see if your skills allow for more per day
@@OneWordataTime1 oh I definitely believe with practice you could make 100 mnemonic associations a day. Obviously they wouldn’t all stick, but most would. If I spoke more languages it’d be easier to make connections. He makes pretty grandiose claims but it is followed by methodical and highly focused excercises to back it up. I’ll find the link for you
ua-cam.com/video/noxDsTd18n4/v-deo.htmlsi=33nSK13qXtrmW_C4
Most recent video explaining it. Sort of like the memory palace one, but I think it’s better suited to language learning. I’m happy doing just 10, but if I eventually get to 50-100 that would be cool. It’s good training for simply becoming better at visualising imagery too, so as a side benefit I think it would help with creativity.
He does do reviews, but it’s much less because that’s the point of this technique, that you don’t need to see it as many times for it to stick
A very interesting video again, as always. Give yourself some credit insofar as the results would've been much higher if you were learning another Germanic language (I am assuming you have no previous Slavic languages under your belt).
Can we have a step by step on your anki settings?
I've got this on the list of videos to make, though I'll need to make sure the angle here is helpful and not just another anki video. anything specific you have in mind?
@@OneWordataTime1 A guide from downloading to using it (for language learning) would be very welcome. Maybe even in different parts to keep it easy to follow if it's to much for one video. The versatility of Anki makes it not beginner friendly (in my opinion). Whatever you do, keep up the great content!!!
Sorry if I have already commented this (I truly can't remember if I did so), could you add furigana on the Japanese word at the end of the video?
Great videos! I like your data based approach.
I'll try to remember for the next video (my asian language knowledge only goes so far!)
Why do you put individual words on vocab cards instead of sentences?
I originally put words, but it became really problematic because usually there is no one to one translation.
For example "to try" in english might mean "probieren" or "versuchen" in German depending on context.
The individual word approach worked well for me with German, which is why I took it here. I often include multiple English words for 1 foreign word so that I can build that understanding
awesome! Are you gonna keep learning polish?
for now I'm going to take a break since I'm planning a speaking/output challenge for German which will take over this time.
so you sentence mine from easy polish videos?
Can you put english subtitles in your videos? This would help the people like me that don't have the english as the first language. Great video
Just uploaded the script to this video which should hopefully be a bit better than the auto-generated subtitles. will keep this in mind for the future
I am against using ANKI or any kind of flashcards.
There are many disadvantages with flashcards:
1. They are time-consuming. It may take a long time just to write them. Then you have to read and keep repeating until you get the answers correctly. That can also take a long time.
2. They are boring, tedious, you may lose motivation.
3. They take the words out of context. It is much harder to memorize and understand them. Flashcards are completely inefficient compared to just reading.
4. The fact that you can answer all flashcards correctly doesn't mean you have learned the subject.
5. Flashcards ignore the difference between active and passive memory.
Active memory is the vocabulary for output (speaking and writing).
Passive memory is the vocabulary for input (reading and listening).
Passive memory is much larger than active memory.
You need a much larger vocabulary to understand what native speakers are saying or writing.
But when you yourself want to speak or write, you don't need a large vocabulary.
Even with a very small vocabulary you will be able to say whatever you want.
Your sentences will be very simple and sound childish but most native speakers will probably understand what you are saying.
But flashcards ignore such distinction, putting everything in your active memory, which is completely unnecessary and inefficient.
Just reading a book is much more efficient. In the same time you create and read flashcards you could just read a book. In one hour you can read several pages of a book. In the same hour how many flashcards can you write (and read)? Flashcards are much more time-consuming than just reading.
If you are learning a foreign language you should read as much as possible. Reading is the best way to acquire vocabulary. You consult the dictionary for the words necessary to understand the text.
Reading is much more fun, entertaining, engaging and pleasant than using flashcards. By reading you always see the words in context.
I have been studying Swedish for 3 years now mostly by translating song lyrics. I have translated more than 500 songs. I listen to the songs while reading the lyrics, I get vocabulary and pronunciation at the same time. It is a lot of fun and pleasant, I never get bored. I don't worry about memorization, I only care about understanding the lyrics. In the beginning I was barely translating one song in one hour. Now I can translate more than 8 songs in one hour. And I never study more than one hour per day.
Given the power of spaced repetition and the ‘goal’ of 20 exposures one wonders if it would be better to systematically watch the same programmes more than once - a cycle of three to five videos over a fortnight in which you aim to successfully acquire at least 90% of all 0f the words in the source material before moving on - just like reading the same short story several times.
In my experience, watching the same thing over and over can be very effective. However, it's not easy to keep up with for everyone. I struggle to watch the same thing more than three times.
Kids watch the same things over and over and over.. and over.. and as soon as the show or movie ends, they watch from the start again.
This is interesting. Perhaps max 3 15 min videos where there's a lot of speech over a fortnight or month. You can some days analysing every single word in video 1, then move onto video 2 to do the same, once that's done you go back to 1, then do 3 and then 2 again and finally 3 again. After that you watch each video without analysing and then finally you watch without the animation.
You look like the guy from egychology channel
فشخ xD
Dang it’s been 100 days already…
Pozdrowienia😊
Dziękuje 😛
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