How Drum Size Affects Tone - Two Kits / Two Tunings | Season Three, Episode 32
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- Опубліковано 14 гру 2020
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There’s a lot of conversation out there about the value of drum sizes and what large vs. small drums have to offer. We decided to take two vastly different sized sets of drums and tune them identically (with identical drumheads) for both high and low ranges to compare how the tonal response. The results were VERY interesting.
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Signal chain:
Mics - Focusrite Clarett 8Pre USB & OctoPre - MacPro w/Pro Tools 12.8
Recorded at 48kHz / 24bit
Focusrite Clarett 8Pre USB tinyurl.com/Clarett8Pre
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Full kit: AKG C314 at drummer perspective (Hyper Cardioid)
Snare drum & tom tom close mics: Shure SM57
Bass drum: AKG D112 (at mic port)
Drums: Drummer’s World Nesting Kit (10/14/18)
GMS Maple (13/16/24)
w/’70’s Ludwig LM400 Supraphonic
Drumheads-
Snare/Tom: Evans G12 / Snare Side 300
Floor Tom: Evans G12 coated / G1 clear
Bass Drum: Evans UV EQ4 / G12 Coated
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
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Ya know, your content isn’t trying to get us to buy stuff. It’s calling us to get to know the stuff we already have. To get in there and experiment, see what you can get. To refine our own skills.
I love high tuned big kits so much.
They are so lively, so vibrant, so expressive…
My kit is 13/16/24 and I don’t feel at all is though it has pigeonholed me into only playing big rock beats on it. As you’ve mentioned in other videos by tuning my 24” up just a hair higher than most I’ve earned myself a little more rebound and resonance but not at the expense of a low kick sound. I love the sound of the 13” for all styles of music but admittedly would like a 10” every now and then. Haven’t gigged with this kit yet but when that time comes I’m just going to bring a sawzall and a sledgehammer, I’ll clear some space.
This is one of the best videos you've ever done. I've heard this concept mentioned plenty of times but never had actual audio to go along with it.
I think this also validates my choice in using 10/12 as rack toms. First because they're easier to configure than 12/13, but also because they're right smack in the middle range of sizes and can easily go up or down in tuning.
The best drum content out there. Thanks for the effort.
I love those GMS shell sizes. My go-to kit configuration for lower, beefy tones.
Great episode! My first kit had 22 inch bass drum, 16 and 12 toms, and I took that as “normal”, what I need for loud rock drums. Thanks to UK lockdown in 2020, I got smaller drums, just to fit them at home. After learning more and more about tuning, muffling, heads, stick and beater choices, I quite recently found out what huge punch I could get out of a 16 inch bass drum! Sure, it was with a Remo PowerStroke, and a big wooden beater, and careful tuning, but it was LOUD. It could easily match a big 14x8 steel snare. It’s not the same sound as a 22 inch bass drum, but it has the same loudness and punch, if you want it to. I’m since very interested in 18 and 20 inch bass drums. :-). Again, great episode, and very relevant for myself!
Great one! I have a 20" in kick drum and I found that low tuning makes it sound larger than it actually is.
In certain rooms, my little jungle 16" held its own against 22s. I feel like tuning and playing style really make the difference. It's all about knowing how to pull out that sound.
I think 20 is the best sounding kick size without going huge
@@michaela.1198 Agreed, with the right tuning, you can make it sound like a 24" or a 16"
I second this completely. I have a Pearl Vision birch kit with 20" bass drum. I've lately tuned the resonant head the lowest it can go without rippling and it sounds thunderous! The batter head tuning can be varied to affect attack and pitch a bit, while the res seems to address pitch and sustain more.
I also agree with the 20 inch bass. My problem is the toms. I tune extremely low. I would like a 10/8 12/10 14/14 16/16 and 20/18.
Am I crazy?
Just discovered this channel and it is fantastic!! My kit has never sounded so good!
To my ears,the big kit is the best stuff I’ve heard you guys ever do.
I love both, I have a 14/16/18/26 kit and a 12/14/18 kit for busking and they both tune up great if you work with them! I’ll always prefer the 26 because of just how much more malleable it is in general and how much more of my style it is, but the 18 can do the same thing if you try and do it’s own thing amazingly as well!
@@Alfred_-vp9ys haha thanks! If you were actually interested in dealing with the enormous sizes and all that comes with that, ludwig centennial zep kits or the pdp kits in similar sizes will come up discounted or used pretty often. I got mine with soft cases for $500 which was pretty good considering it was only used at home. Perhaps frequent Craigslist, reverb, and other similar sites, maybe even pawn shops?
This was very helpful and informative, thank you.
I absolutely love the sound of low tuning on the smaller drums. My kit is 22x18 bd, 10x7 rt, 12x8 rt, 14x12 ft, 16x14 ft, 13x7 snare. Snare is tuned mid-high, all other drums are tuned low. Absolutely love the punch and attack of low tuning on small drums. I'm actually looking into maybe getting a 20x16 bass.
Love your channel - great topic! In the interest of teaching - you should do an episode of tunings with different eq and compression settings in a studio environment
I have watched many of your vids. This is the best example of your skill at tuning. It s rad!
This is great, I exclusively used for ten years a Whitney Penguin Nesting kit for loud blues, small jazz and some rock gigs. 16 kick, 13 snare, 10 rack, and 13 floor. I found that when the room is loud with amps and I was struggling to get heard without mics, I would tune them up a bit to cut through. It would change the ways I would do fills, almost treat the toms like timbales with lots of rimshots, but it worked. I did however often miss my 22/13/16 Gretsch kit that was back in Canada.
Great content! I have a 14,16,18,26 and I love tuning it higher because it speaks at lower velocity. I can also go real low if I want. I have to be very intentional about where I strike the drumhead. Striking just off center produces more overtones than a more standard tuning would. I use coated 2-ply but I think coated single ply might be better.
As a guitar player starting to try on drums, I found surprising the small amount of info about size of drum kits and diferentes between them
Great concept for a video. Really enjoyed it!
I needed JUST this video, thanks so much !
I found this video really useful. I'm looking at a fusion size Pearl Export kit (10", 14" 20") at the moment and whilst I'd like something versatile for the possibility of gigging later on down the line, it's main use will be for practice and trying to keep the volume reasonable.
I got a little Pearl Midtown kit last year because of space constraints, slapped some coated emperors on the batters, tuned loose as possible without losing the tone, and can't believe the fat sound out of the 10'' and 13'' toms. Never thought small kits had that end of the range but I'd use the Midtown as soon as the Export for any gig or practice. Forgive the Pearl fanboying...
What are using on the kick drum? I have this kit also :)
@@nez1703 Just the stock heads, with a 4'' port in the front and a cheap polyester pillow inside. I only just barely tighten the lugs, sometimes even only tightening three of the six lugs on each head to get the kick as fat as possible. I also use an Evans AF patch on the kick batter to protect it because it's tuned so loosely
@@nez1703 I also got a 16'' Export floor tom for the Midtown kit recently and it's an excellent addition 👌
@@gogogadgetspoon Good info to know, I like that 1 up 2 down configuration.
@@nez1703 I'm very new to it but I like it a lot
Great video! I feel like in this type of tuning range the bop kit suffers a bit for rock playing. It chokes when struck past a certain velocity. Like you mentioned it feels like you’re playing into the head and not as responsive. Would love to see a video demonstrating the upper range of the bop kit compared to a medium sized kit. Maybe in a jazz setting? Love the content guys!
Your videos have helped me tremendously! I have a Ludwig Classic Maple kit in big sizes. 14x12tom, 16x16 floor tom, 18x16 floor tom & a big 26x16 bass. Tuning these has been a challenge! Regret getting them sometimes! Tuned high I get a lot of ring. Go low I get flappy
Add some cotton to the inside of the drums, it could help with the ringing. Benny Grebb does that with his 16x16 floor tom and it sounds phenomenal.
Love this experiment! What hihats are you guys using? They sound incredible!
I'm just a big drums guy. Every time you played the GMS kit my ears went, "Yup, that's it!"
I have the same Tama kit as your first one Cody! I hope to upgrade one day, but it does the job.
I tend to play smaller drums tuned low. I really like they punch they get at what is low for those sizes (10” mounted tom, 14” floor). But it’s always frustrates me that there’s so little bounce to the sticks. I really love this video for the side by side comparison and your analysis. Thank you for that. I have some pinstripes laying around that might help me achieve the sound I get on my smaller drums but with the slightly larger ones. Looking forward to trying it out.
Great topic. I agree. I have a 13 16 24 kit and a 12 14 20. That covers most anything I need to do.
Great upload! I have a 14" kick drum on my Sonor Martini kit and a 28" Ludwig marching bass drum on another kit....each has it's purpose :)
This was perfect, I just purchased a 16x12 rack tom
I got a kit arriving in June. Sonor SQ2 8x8, 10x10, 12x12, 14x14, 16x16, 22x18, 14x5, and 12x5. Maple Medium shells, Blue Sparkle with the Black Chrome hardware.
Hello from Italy! Thank you for your interesting videos on sound. I've been trying to understand the best sizes for shells, most in terms of depth in correspondence with their diameter. Is this related to the type of shell material or doesn't matter if it is wood, metal or plastic? I'm about to have a customized kit being ordered and I'm struggling with the sizes to decide. Of course I'd like to have a good ratio between diameter and depth to optimize the sound. You should know that I like my 2 rack toms as flat and low as possible (I'm not tall either) so I was thinking something like 10x7 and 12x7. For the floor tom I'm thinking of a 14x12 while for the bass drum 20x12. I love shallow bassdrums as I love attack rather than low end. Do you have any reccomendation or indicate to me where I can find such infos about the sizes? Thanks ciao
If I am using close mics, I love using 10" and 12" toms as rack and floor for punchy, short, low tom sounds. I saw Ash Soan do this and tried it. If you want a low sustain but full tom sound, tuning smaller toms down really works well. You have really have to pay attention to the bottom head! If it's not in tune with itself it will get wonky.
I have a 10/12/14/22, and I really like it. Generally I am in the mid-low tuning range for the size, which gives a nice sound. I like the feel of higher tension, but aside from the snare, I don’t love the sound. I’ve got Remo black suede on it, and they are warm and controlled without sounding artificially muffled.
Thanks for the vid. Problem often is that we see comparisons between apples and oranges. You compared two sets that differ in way more than just the tom sizes: assuming you got tuning and the same heads (this is what you can do yourself), still the drums differ in many points: shell material, contruction, quality of craftmanship, dimensions, all these make a huge impact on the drum sound (more or less...) - sure you assume what you found out is due to the smaller size of the drum, and luckily both your drum sets are of high quality, so at least we can cancel that out, but one kit is a nesting kit, which means it is definitely contructed differently. Most drummers will only ever know cheap small drums, because for some reason drum manufacturers think a drum set with smaller drum sizes has to be far below the 1000$ range, usually at 350-500$, so when you compare those to bigger - and better crafted - drums, you quickly dismiss the smaller ones for rather toys.
A better comparison would be to have the same shell construction, same manufacturer, same series, same wood, and just compare the sizes. Your conclusion gladly is pretty spot on, and I suppose this is because you have played more than one or two drum sets. Sadly most drummers are less fortunate, and we have a long way to go to teach people why drum sizes are the way they are. I see that every day when I recommend drums for churches - they struggle with drum volume, but still hold on to the "traditional" drum construction and - sizes. And that means you have drums, built to be loud, and try to play them low volume, which usually sucks, both in sound and fun aspect. But most drummers would not even consider smaller drums, even though those have so many advantages when it comes to playing less loud: they open up quicker, they sing better when played less loud, they give you a warmer tone, and less attack, and when tuned as low as the larger kit, sound larger, even when not mic'd. Sure, a heavy hitter will not be happy. But when your goal is to have a great stage sound, and not to be deaf when 27, give it a try :)
I've been playing in r'n'b, blues band, we've been practicing in a very small room, it's been up to eleven people somethimes, I needed small set not to loud but souding big. I used Gretsch Catalina Club jazz, coated Pin Stripes, low tuning, kick port on bd.It worked well.
I'm quite greedy (and lucky) and love having different kits that I can choose from - 12,14 and 20 or 13, 16 and 22 primarily and tend to go medium low on the bigger kit and slightly higher than normal on the smaller kit. Love the flexibility and not having to set up 1 kit for whatever gig I am playing. I find the bigger of the kits more versatile as they sing at higher tunings and go super low if required. Thanks for keeping the content fresh and for inspiring me to continue to fuss with all my drums to find interesting and usable tunings!
I have 2 kits w/ diff bass drum sizes, but i seem to always insist on a 13" rack tom. its the one thing i'm not flexible with.
I have a few kits of varying sizes. But I kinda view my Ludwig Breakbeats sizes, for instance, as a nice & versatile 10" rack tom (head choices can make a Dramatic difference) and a very cool and beefy 13" floor tom, that's deep and moves alot more air than a 13x9, resulting in a wider tuning range...I think of it as a shallower 14 sometimes. And then, the 16" kick, I see as a 16" floor tom, turned sideways and tuned low. Because essentially, that's what it actually is...with different hoops and heads. So, I have the toms covered, with a 10, 13, 16 configuration. And the 16 just doubles as a kick. So, its all there. I'm lacking nothing. The 16 is an amazing kick. I have a super kick II on it now with the factory reso, and no additional muffling. It punches loud, low and deep, with a quick response and still a discernable pitch. Pedal and beater choice make a difference also. I'm using a Tama Dyna Sync, direct drive pedal right now. Alot of attack. But I also like a chain drive, like The Classic, too. Each pedal requires a completely different approach, and has a big impact on the sounds I get.
Great video.
My thoughts on tuning the smaller drums lower from my experience are the drums will sound good but lose a little projection. If the microphones are placed well and you have a decent sound engineer, they will do a good job. I have a kit in bop sizes that is made out of poplar and does a good job here. However, it is not my go to gig kit. I bought the little guy for next to nothing and generally use it for practice and for the odd combo gig I will get when the band leader has called everyone else and they can’t make it. (I do not nor have ever claimed to be a jazz drummer. I do know what not to do though).
I do not currently have a kit with a 24” bass drum, but I have in the past (70’s Rogers and a PDP MX). I found that the mid range tuning was best for these drums in my setting. If I went as low as I would like, the drums were a little lost in the mix and the heads felt a bit mushy. That is my opinion. I know that other drummers on the same drums would possibly have a different one. I’d like to hear the channel watchers thoughts.
I really enjoy this channel. You guys do great work.
Cheers.
Awesome theme. I myself love the deeper Tom’s but I sit real low on my throw bc of my short legs and the Tom’s are so far away and hard to play bc of it.
your channel rocks. all the different things i want to compare, you have a video for. so cool.
I still own a Gretsch USA 24x14”, 14x10” and 15x12” racks and an 18x16” floor tom that I bought in the early 1980s after seeing Budgie (a big influence on my playing) using the same setup with Siouxsie and The Banshees. Fitted top and bottom with coated Ambassadors tuned high it’s really responsive for jazz gigs but with a lower tuning it’s a great rock kit. Really versatile kit which I still love playing almost 40 years after I first got it.
Do you tune it with the bottom head about step lower like budgie did? The top heads really ringing out is essential to his drum sound i feel. Especially for the creature songs.
Gotta love those huge rack toms. I wish 15" drums were easier to come by. I'm rocking 12x8, 13x9, and 14x10 racks myself these days.
@@Ale.Candido The bottom head is about the same pitch, possibly slightly lower. If it goes higher than the top as is the usual they get a bit pingy and cancel each other out.
@@davidwinthrop7077 interesting! What finish are they? Same as budgie's?
@@MatthewClise No can’t remember seeing a new kit in the last 20 years with a 15” rack. Great sizes you have. Are they mounted both on the bass drum and stands?
Thank you very much for this episode. I'm in a quite similar situation to choose between my 18/12/14 (Bop Sizes) GMS Kit and my new DW Jazz Series Kit in 24x16, 10x8, 12x8, 14x14, 16x16 for a modern Big Band setup. After selling my Gretsch Kit (for the DW) which had a 20" BD I thought, another 20" would be necessary now. Thanks to this episode, I'm sure to decide between my two kits depending on the local and musical situation. A 20" is unnecessary....
Great video bro, u the man
I recently bought a 20x14 kick. At first i was very unhappy to be honest.But than i learnd to play not burrying the beater and i also found that thicker skins are perfekt for these drums becouse they can be tuned just a bit deeper. So for everybody who struggels with a small bassdrum, try a fiberskin ps3 and a diplomat fiberskin unported reso. It really sound super cool. Littple bit likethose old hiphop drums and its LOUD!
I have no idea if it’s possible but it’d be a great concept if you guys could play each kit in different headphones. Like the big kit in the left headphone and the small kit on the right headphone. It’d allow for an instant comparison between kits. Again, I have no idea if that’s possible lol
The small kit totally blew me away. Extremely versatile tuning range for such small sizes. But the sounds emanating from the GMS kit and its tuning range were wonderful. My preference for all around sizes would be 12-16-20, with the 20 wide open, no port hole, only drum head internal muffle ring. Great demonstration as always 👍
I love this comparison video
Very interest topic. I have a very common set up in terms of sizes, 22x18, 10x9, 12x10, 14x12 (tt), 14x14 (ft) and 16x16, but I wouldn't mind to add 8 and 18 toms, and smaller and bigger bass drums, as well, from 18 to 26, I like'em all. My first kit was 20x16, 10x8, 12x9 and 14x14. Then I got 22x16, 12x10, 13x11 and 16x16, and finally the current one that I mentioned before. And I love all of them. As we say in Spain, "culo veo, culo quiero" ("ass I see, ass I want"). But what I was wondering is if you guys had the stuff (and the interest) in making a comparison of how depth affects the sound, given the same diameter and tuning.
I always hear people disscusing it and there's always "that guy" who says that depth must be XX, and everything else is crap, just because.
I think size must be whatever suits the drummer and his/her music (I can't imagine Nicko McBrain or Vinnie Paul playing with "hyper-drive" toms, or John Bonham playing with a 20x20 bass drum), but it would be quite interesting to make an objective comparison, if you had the chance.
I, personally, tend to prefer deeper sizes (not necesarilly the deepest, or "square sizes"), but I have nothing against shallower sizes either, it all depends on the application.
Tama Rockstar eh? Big man on campus! LOL! Super interesting video today! I like the dichotomy you’re two drum kits bring to the table! Maximum flexibility! Great job! Cheers… Keith
I played a 12” - 14” - 20” kit all through college and about a decade after that. (Still have this set) I used it with everything from piano trio cocktail gigs to big band. Early on, I had the chance to buy an identical set, but with 13”, 16” and 22”. I almost did, because I had a desire to play double, but different size bass drums, like Ed Shaughnessy. Didn’t do either. I think I still prefer the smaller sizes.
I feel that the bigger sizes give you more range than the smaller kit. Also for the kind of music that I play the louder the better.
The smaller kit can go WAY higher than demonstrated here though so they actually have a similarly wide range but the larger drums do a fine job of covering the spectrum as long as you've got the space (for setup and transport!).
Really enjoyed this video. I liked all the sounds. On a slight tangent I think it would be interesting to see you try the Keith Moon thing of using two or three rack Tom's of the same size but I assume tuned differently.
Happy Christmas and stay safe esp. in NYC?
btw I have two 13 inch Tom's but haven't tried them together, one has a coated ambassador and the other a Evans G2 clear so sound very different, one has lacquer and the other has generic black wrap.
Hi im interested in bass drum depth 14 ,16 ,18 and even 10 , 12 looking forward to seeing a video on that topic Thanks SLAD !!
I have a PDP X7, so I choose the tom sizes depending on the music, its really convenient :)
Just curious, when you tune all of those toms that vary in size so much ; do you start with the the high rack tom or a floor tom?
@@MrRemo71 I always start with the "standard" sizes (10, 12, 14 inches), then I proceed to tune the 2nd floor tom and the 8 inch tom, or viceversa. I think that way you get more of a consistent tuning, instead of, for example, tuning from the 2nd floor tom to the highest rack tom, you could tune the floor tom maybe a little too high, then, the 8 inch would be really high tuned. I hope you get me, english is not my first language :P
@@spikeruchiha80
I got itʘ‿ʘ thanks for the response
very cool! I have the same 80s Superstar 13" tom in 9" and 12" depths and have experimented myself.
ok so now that im watching i realize that wasn't the point at all!
Which size you prefer?
@@ottoluotonen5953 the deep one sounded bigger when i really laid into it. I just recorded over the weekend and had to decide. I went with the 9" after getting it tuned up nicely. There's little an EC2 won't make perfect
@@JohnD72277 I've got a 12x11, sounds and feels great, I play quite hard...
@@ottoluotonen5953 For some reason i never use the 12". only 13" on both my kits
Do you guys have a video on port hole locations and their affect on sound? I just got a 24”x14” and it has a full front head. Wondering where I should put the hole
Also wondering, same kick dimensions
I have a 24x16 an i found after a lot of strougle, that is always loud, but only has a certain boom to it when not portet! Becouse it only really sounds any good when not burring the beater.
How many lugs on your bass drum does it make a diff 8 lugs for a24/16
What bass drum head combo would you recommend for getting as close as is possible to the bop neighborhood with a 18 x 22 drum?
Single ply coated heads with felt strips for muffling would be my choice for sure 👍🏻 -Cody
Amazing video! Love all of the work you are doing to educate!
Informative
Awesome! Can you share tune-bot pitches for high tuning?
Thanks! Nope- we don't use Tune Bots but you can listen to the sound and match the pitch by ear quite easily.
I remember when I was looking into my first serious drumset , I read a modern drummer magazine talking about bass drum sizes , and everyone said a 20" is the ideal drumsize. And they are right. It has the most versatile tuning range of any size bass drum. Bonham used a 26x14 bass to get a big controlled sound. You can do the same thing with a 20x17 bass and get a much more tuneable bass drum sounds.
So , my suggestion is get a 20" with depth and you get the best of all musical possibilities.
In comparison, I think there was not much difference in the sounds of the kick drums and the floor toms for both tunings. Maybe the 14" tom sounded a bit weak in low tuning. Between the 10" and 12" toms there was a lot of difference. Anyway, if that's a problem, you just put a 12" tom and voila.
This video is great because it gives an idea to people who live in apartments and/or without much space can have a small set but with a desired sound.
The only problem would be a case with mine, that I like the feel of big toms with high pitch.
Guys, GREAT video as always and thank you for your GREAT work through these bad times. Cheers.
I had to stifle a chuckle when you said "the big" kit. I use an 8 piece 1983 Gretsch USA custom, so I am spoiled for choice. But, the information regarding overlap of tones is very helpful for making tuning decisions as they affect the kit as a whole instrument. Very nice as always.
Curious? I'm hearing more of a boing than a boom in the tuning. Wonder if that is my computer or the tuning?
Always interesting!!
What are the chances that your Tama Rockstars were in vintage blue? That was my first "real" drumset. It came with a video tape featuring Mike Portnoy, Kenny Aronoff, and John Tempesta. I know I can't be the only one here that had that tape.
Pre-lockdown, I was gigging with a jungle kit; 10" rack, 13" floor, 16" kick. Now I'm jamming in the practice room on double 24" kicks, 12, 13, 14" racks, and 18" floor. I gotta say, I love all the extra tone I'm getting out of the big drums. The extra tension on the heads makes rebound easier, and I really feel like I'm conserving energy while sounding bigger.
Right on! Mine were sliver 😂 -Cody
I don't think the diameter matters as much as people think, tone is more affected by shell construction, edges and head choice. I use a small nesting kit just because it is easier to gig with, it can be tuned any which way. I prefer high tuning anyway for stage volume and response.
I am very new to drumming…. How do I tune my kit?
Someone mentioned smaller drums being easier to carry around to gigs, but I’ll also add that smaller drums give more options for setting up.
I play open handed, and I set my snare and hi hats up extremely low. I’ve only ever played on 22/12/13/16 sets, and it’s almost impossible to get the rack toms low enough for my liking. My practice set is an Alesis Nitro which I’m able to set up to have everything very compact. I’m about to replace my gigging set with something like an 18/10/12/14/16. With the smaller kick drum and shallower toms, I’m confident that I’ll be able to compact everything a lot more effectively.
I think it all boils down to the type of gig/music you're playing, how much space you have & how much gear you wanna lug around.
I think both kits sound great. The larger kit did sound a little better with the lower tuning but that was expected. But I would say if you owned either of these sizes as a gigging kit that you wouldn't necessarily need a shell bank to cover all the bases. Also, I can't seem to find a kick drum G12 reso on the Evans site. I do find the other heads used in this video (and other videos). I know sometimes you guys test out prototypes.
Alas, we did have those G12 bass heads custom made a while back.
@@SoundsLikeADrum I hope they release them to the public. You guys have demonstrated how versatile they are.
When dead-sticking on the toms to play with pitch, the bigger drums have more to offer. I have replaced my 13 rack with a 14 and it seems to like the higher pitch more than the 13.
Morgan Agren usa un kit similar.Y no he visto a nadie usándolo tan maravillosamente cómo él.
Do a video on a 16” kick. Different tuning and heads
We did! Way back in Season One.
I like the smaller kit tuned low the best.
Large drums just start to get that basketbally thing going on that I don’t like once you tune them very high. However they do sound nice when played at a softer volume (Jazz). Great vid 👍
Well said. I agree 100%
They actually have a video regarding that issue,
I believe.
@@rhythmista7707
Yep. I've seen that one I believe
I have a "Rock" kit (22x18, lots of toms) and I simply got tired of lugging it around. So my second kit, the one I take out, is a Gretsch Bop kit (18x14, 12, 14). But I play pop/rock/worship, so I wanted it "as low as it could go". For several years I was happy, but I recently heard my kit out front and just thought, man, the kick sounds terrible. Too low for the drum. I played around a bunch with it, making phone recordings along the way (not great, but gives some comparison record). I've brought the tuning up some, not high, but more resonant than I think of for a kick drum meaning this little drum is actually doing it's "drum thing". Replaced the front holed-head with a solid head. (EMAD clear batter, Aq Force reso, like a PS3 or EQ4) Much better!
The 14 FT is a little higher than I used to have it, based on input from this awesome channel. Super "rumble" low seems cool in my practice room, but doesn't make it "out there". I've always had coated single over coated single on these toms, but I'm gonna try Aquarian Coated Super 2's (thinner two ply, 12 mil total).
I'll still take the small kit since I don't have a roadie! But it's still true that if I want "maximum thumpification" (thanks for that Rob Brown), the 22x18 is hard to beat. So to speak :-D
There is no doubt in my mind that larger drums give me the most flexibility and most importantly the best sonic and feel options. I tune higher than most for rock. Very Buddy/Bellson/Morello like. And yeah..Bonham. The drums speak extremely well, I get a very quick stick response for very articulate and clear double strokes, ruffs and ghost notes. I let the size of the drum provide the low end NOT by detuning the heads so much there isn't any tone or tension left in them.
Way too often I see players using small kits..(10", 12" and 14" toms with 22" kicks for example) trying to get those huge sounds that only come from larger drums. That just doesn't work for me and I can easily tune my kits..(13, 16, 18 and 24) or my huge kit (16, 18, 20 and 26) (yes I use a 10" x 16" rack tom on this kit)..I can cover an extremely wide range of tunings to cover nearly everything I need to.
One isn't better...it is just what works best for me.
Tama Rhythm mate 10 12 14 and 20 it’s amazing
You guys sort of dance around it a bit. But I would love to see a video on POWER TOMS. I am a proud power tom player. Shallow toms are not my thing. There are never videos available in this regard. In my opinion power tom sizes are like 12x10, 12x11, 12x12, etc... Everyone uses shallow toms now. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone's kit is the right setup for them. I'm just saying power tom players, while a small part of the drumming community, are still a part and always underrepresented. :)
that little bass drum is a walker 😂
Lol came here for this. That little bastard was dancing all over the room.
Argh I found a good deal on the expensive kit I want but the kick drum is a 20
I’ve thought about it a lot, I want the 22
i have 12x9 tom ,and i cant find right tune,always sound bad ,10 &14 its perfect..
Low Low Low i go low and never leave
Evans hydraulics for me
I really love that snare, might just be my next investment
Breeeeeeakbeats are better than ever and I even think you can get good rock sounds you just gotta use extra thin res paired w/ hyraulic heads or something maybe? Or maybe flip that? I like silk sonic vibes but I have a pocket kit we busk with on the street and we get a pretty fat sound out of it with just appropriate tunings and overtone rings and a gel on the tom and snare and about as low a stable tuning as we can get with the 5 lug toms
I'll take that 24" all day long.
Thumbnail looks like Ginger Baker's kit. He used a 20" main and 22" secondary.
I got a 24x24 kick. 13x13 rack 14x14 rack a 16x16 floor 16x18 floor and a 14x8 snare! Custom made from sjc. I wish I could post pictures in the comments!!!
24x24?????? That thing is a cave!!!
i like the big drums in both tunings.... little drums are just that.
In my twenties I had an Imperial star kit 6-8-10-12-13-14-16 toms 22 bass and I lugged them around all over for all my Gigs. The older I got, the smaller the kit became. In the end the pain in my back dictated the size of the drums and the size of the kit. Unless of course you are wealthy enough to hire a roadie, then bring everything
hmm there are already comments but youtube tells me there aren't any views yet...
great video though!
Those stats usually take a bit of time to catch up during the first 24 hours after a video is released. Glad you enjoyed the episode!
you guys are like the switzerland of drumming
I prefer the sound of larger drums tuned high, unfortunately being as short as I am, I ergonomically prefer a smaller kit.
So, Cody, we the people want to know what you think the most versatile size combination for a 4-piece kit is...and please don't say "it depends" or "I'd rather have two kits" like you did on the video. Take a dive and tell us your pick! :)
Hahaha, well this is pretty easy for me to answer actually - 12/14 toms, 20x14 bass drum and a 5.5x14 metal snare. If I’m going super specific, Ludwig downbeat w a Supraphonic :) -Cody
@@SoundsLikeADrum Thank you very much for answering, Cody! Appreciated!
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The bigger the better
If you are playing tiny drums tuned lower in your rock gig... it ain't the right gig. Play the right drums, tuned the right way, for the right gig. You can find another way to pay your rent without compromising the music.
A gig where a 4 piece kit is too big? WTH? Is this someone's bedroom?