Was the M&M AT4 1600 in red trim? In 76, 77 at NMC in Havre Montana. The diesel shop overhauled a red/white tractor that had basically a MM G1000 motor with only 4 main bearing. The motor had a broken crank. Took a long time to find a crank. I think it came out of Canada. This is when Big Bud built the 747. Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.
I work for one of the biggest farmers in Saskatchewan Canada and we run John Deere! We have a couple of old Deere's one we have have is a 6030 John Deere that I pull a 35 cultivator with it when I hit the hills the front tires are in the air and it's all wheel breaks. I enjoy working the old 6030 we got a couple fields along the highway and when I got that 35ft cultivator as far as it'll dig and I got them tires starting to leave the ground and smoking a little smoke I get thumbs up from everyone.
Awesome thanks. Can you do a top 10 of 2wd tractor horsepower like this? They are lost into time, but Allis Chalmers made the 7080 which had 210hp, Case and Massey both made 200hp+ true 2 wheel drive tractors as well.
the 1470 was a cosmetic upgrade to the old 1200 (crab steer )-about this time labor union strikes broke J.I.Case -which was then taken over by TENNACO-who proceeded with a new design 870-970-1070-1270-1370-1570-2470(articulated)-some old parts -some new -but especially their super quiet roll guard modular cab and powershifts-made them a huge seller in the 70's
Cool video! Not sure why you used the Oliver 2455 instead of the MM A4T-1600 or 1400. It was Minneapolis Moline's design after all. Maybe because it was the more rare variation.
A really cool looking machine, in the Oliver colour scheme, and as with the John Deere/Wagner tie up, was another exercise in badge engineering. At least some people seem to think this phenomena is a recent thing, but it has in fact been going on for many decades.
I don’t remember the AC model, it was a Steiger frame, Steiger wiring harness, AC axles, I think AC engine. We brought 1 in from south of the lake with a blown motor, replaced it with the Steiger model Cat motor. I had to go out to get the air conditioning fixed on this one after we got it running. The problem was the micro switch on the dashboard controls. 250 miles to replace a micro switch!!! Hello from north east Montana. 10 miles from the Canadian border.
The Versatile 145 was 180 engine hp from a Cummins 470. 145 is the drawbar hp. I think you might be mistaking the 145 for the 118 or 125 because I think one of those two tractors had a 155 engine hp. Also, the Big Bud HN 250 was either 280 or 310 hp. It actually had two engine options. Good work though.
John deere shafted Wagner on the contract and caused them to go bankrupt. John deere did it to a lot a company's shows how much a crook the company is. They hate the fact they can't get farmers to get rid of the tractors they built in from the 60s to the 90s for a new deere aswell.
@@blainevolesky9653 deere wasnt ahead of the time when its Wagners design. Deere was and is normally behind on innovative moves. Usually the last to give in with change like their 2 cylinder tractors, conventional combines, the last of the 4000 series tractors in 93 and 94. Like i mention before deere also tries to shaft their competition if they cant buy them out.
Look up "Baldwin" made in Australia, started making them in production in late in 70s, biggest was 600 hp, closed shop early 1990's, extremely nice looking tractor.
On the John Deere-Wagner, John Deere enter into a contract with Wagner, built for 4 years, then shutdown the factory before they paid off Wagner. Then made an Ag tractor out of a log skidder. The 7020.
When John Deere were involved with Wagner, as essentially a badge engineering exercise, part of the contract stipulated a non compete clause, inasmuch as so long as Wagner were making tractors for John Deere, they were not allowed to manufacture and sell any tractors under their own brand name. This effectively put the Wagner Tractor Company out of business. God only knows who in their right minds would have signed such a one sided deal in the first place, but that's what happened. I can only speculate that perhaps the Wagner Company were in financial dire straits, and signed such a contract, out of desperation. John Deeres' negotiators obviously drove an extremely hard bargain !
i notice that the 145 versatile was hp at the draw would make it more at the engine because you lose some through the gears and that would put it higher on the list. it should put it about 175 or near that
I believe you are correct. American and Canadian tractor manufacturers usually quoted their tractor outputs in either PTO horsepower and/or drawbar horsepower, since both of these indicated more acurrately indicated how much power was available to do actual, useful work. Engine horsepower quotes were quite often meaningless, as a lot of power could be lost between engine, transmission, PTO and drawbar, due to either poor design or else at least some power was absorbed to run multi plate clutches in partial or full power power shift type transmissions, hydraulic services, electrical loads etc. No such thing as a free lunch, is an expression that readily springs to mind. Fendt produce the 1050 tractor with an advertised rating of 517 engine horsepower, but what is telling is that they don't advertise how much of that power is available at the PTO and drawbar, since a huge amount is absorbed through their transmission and all of the other all singing, all dancing features of that model. It remains the highest horsepower conventional rigid frame tractor on the market, but regardless of how you dress it up, what really matters, is how much of that power gets to the drive wheels. My personal opinion is that such a horsepower rating is better delivered to the ground via an articulated tractor on the grounds of better weight distribution under implement load - exactly how all artics are designed to be. No two wheel assist tractor, with unequal sized wheels can possibly compete with that, regardless of engine horsepower - it simply boils down to basic physics, which there's no getting away form. Furthermore, artic tractors would be generally less stressed as an overall design when compared with a tractor in the same horsepower category, but utilising a conventional rigid frame set up.
It wasnt produced until 1971 was it? This video only includes tractors from 1970. Sweet tractor though, we owned a White 4wd, that was basically an updated Oliver
I think a Versatile 145 is more like 173 engine horsepower. Drawbar horsepower tends to be anywhere from 30 horsepower less than engine horsepower or more on a tractor that size. As for the 2455, not even 10 were made. Even the biggest experts on White farm equipment and the brands that made it aren’t sure. There’s either 2,1, or 0
Also, the tigers you showed were 2 turbo tiger 1s which weren’t out yet in 1970 and a 2200. Not complaining by the true Tiger 1 is extremely well and there’s a lot of confusion. If you’d like, give me your email address and I’ll send you pictures of a real tiger 1
I just wanted to that was interresting , and i would like to add that. Stiger built tractors for ford and Intl Harvester . They were the same tractor just a paint scheme and a name change like Wagner did for deere Also check into Woods Copeland and Rome those wete fairly large for there time.
Wrong! The Ford was a Steiger painted blue & white. The IHC was a Steiger frame & cab. IH motor, IH transfer case, IH axles. That is why most 4366’s got parked, fan though the radiator, or transfer case out. The AC I think was a Steiger painted orange, black, & white.
@@darrelfuhrman8217 Correct. The Stieger built Fords (built from 1977 thru '82/83 ish) were based on Stiegers' own equivilent Series III 'ST' (Narrow Frame - 39"), designated tractors. These tractors had a slightly longer wheelbase of 132•50", versus the 128•00" wheelbase of the 'ST' designated Stiegers (Wide Frame 44"). These tractors also had the option of a hydraulically driven PTO, which gave either 54hp at 540 rpm or 105hp at 1000 rpm. All previous Stiegers didn't feature a PTO, up until this point. You are indeed correct that with the tie up with IH in 1973, they specified their own axles and engines and had the tractors styled in keeping with the equivilent high horsepower two wheel drive tractors of the era. A particulary problematic model was the V8 engined model, with the engine itself causing several issues. Not a very reliable machine. It is telling, that many (but not all) artic tractor manufacturers these days specify large capacity 6 cylinder engines for their machines, and in many cases also, will be bought in from an outside manufacturer, as the cost of developing ones own engine for what is still a comparatively small market share (artic versus rigid), does not make financial sense - the figures simply do not stack up.
Howdy. Would you be able to find out how many Oliver tractors that were branded as cockshutt were made? There doesn't seem to be any info anywhere. If you check out my last video I posted you will see why I'm wondering. Thanks for the video.
There was a lot of 2455 Oliver's built but there were only 10 propane built !! What about the 2655 Oliver or the 7520 deere this guy knows nothing about tractors
@@jamiekouba9846Correct - niether Germany nor Norway ever built Stiegers - they were only ever built in the USA. Stiegers did however, utilise RABA built drive axles on some of their tractors and these were sourced from that Company, based in Hungary, in Europe. RABA also built some Steiger tractors under a badge engineered licence, with their own name on the tractor, for a least a short while, for the European market.
Tractor engines are rated differently than a car. Tractors geared lower, and the engines are made to hold a continuous load. It is a much larger engine than a car of 245 HP.
Is this list supposed to be tractors that existed in 1970 or 1970 model year? The Deere Wagners are model year 1969, except for one which was a 1968 model.
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Was the M&M AT4 1600 in red trim? In 76, 77 at NMC in Havre Montana. The diesel shop overhauled a red/white tractor that had basically a MM G1000 motor with only 4 main bearing. The motor had a broken crank. Took a long time to find a crank. I think it came out of Canada. This is when Big Bud built the 747.
Hello from north east Montana.
10 miles from the Canadian border.
Your Steiger Tiger I picture came off my website. Peter Simpson took that picture back in 1999.
Thank you.
I work for one of the biggest farmers in Saskatchewan Canada and we run John Deere! We have a couple of old Deere's one we have have is a 6030 John Deere that I pull a 35 cultivator with it when I hit the hills the front tires are in the air and it's all wheel breaks. I enjoy working the old 6030 we got a couple fields along the highway and when I got that 35ft cultivator as far as it'll dig and I got them tires starting to leave the ground and smoking a little smoke I get thumbs up from everyone.
Tyler Tyler I’m from sask. any farm using a 6030 for field work is not going to be one of the biggest farms here.
Awesome thanks. Can you do a top 10 of 2wd tractor horsepower like this? They are lost into time, but Allis Chalmers made the 7080 which had 210hp, Case and Massey both made 200hp+ true 2 wheel drive tractors as well.
Good, Short video. Thanks
the 1470 was a cosmetic upgrade to the old 1200 (crab steer )-about this time labor union strikes broke J.I.Case -which was then taken over by TENNACO-who proceeded with a new design 870-970-1070-1270-1370-1570-2470(articulated)-some old parts -some new -but especially their super quiet roll guard modular cab and powershifts-made them a huge seller in the 70's
Cool video! Not sure why you used the Oliver 2455 instead of the MM A4T-1600 or 1400. It was Minneapolis Moline's design after all. Maybe because it was the more rare variation.
A really cool looking machine, in the Oliver colour scheme, and as with the John Deere/Wagner tie up, was another exercise in badge engineering.
At least some people seem to think this phenomena is a recent thing, but it has in fact been going on for many decades.
Nice tractors!
I'd like to see a list of the most popular ford(s) thats 65 or newer! Great videos!
You should do a top 10 Allis Chalmers models.
I agree allis chalmers is the best
I don’t remember the AC model, it was a Steiger frame, Steiger wiring harness, AC axles, I think AC engine. We brought 1 in from south of the lake with a blown motor, replaced it with the Steiger model Cat motor.
I had to go out to get the air conditioning fixed on this one after we got it running. The problem was the micro switch on the dashboard controls. 250 miles to replace a micro switch!!!
Hello from north east Montana.
10 miles from the Canadian border.
The allis chalmers 7580 needs to be on here
Pretty sure it was not built until 1977. This video only covers 1970.
Thanks That was interesting!!
where is the massey ferguson 1800 4x4 ?? it had 180 hp at the drawbar !!!
You forgot the German tractors by the Company Anton Schlüter, witch had up to 200 hp in 1970 as prototype (Schlüter Super 2000v)
no problem just a hint
What about the Allis-Chalmers 4w 305
Pretty sure it was not built until 1982. This video only covers 1970.
Thanks
There's a Wagner JD in Watseka/ Crescent city Illinois
The Versatile 145 was 180 engine hp from a Cummins 470. 145 is the drawbar hp. I think you might be mistaking the 145 for the 118 or 125 because I think one of those two tractors had a 155 engine hp. Also, the Big Bud HN 250 was either 280 or 310 hp. It actually had two engine options. Good work though.
Just to add a note, the 118 Versatile had a V6 352 ci engine 145 hp & the 125 Versatile was a gas with Ford 391 V8
I just got out of a Big Bud HN-250 it is a 400 HP machine
I like the Wagner/ John Deere tractor
Me too
John deere shafted Wagner on the contract and caused them to go bankrupt. John deere did it to a lot a company's shows how much a crook the company is. They hate the fact they can't get farmers to get rid of the tractors they built in from the 60s to the 90s for a new deere aswell.
Colton Carpenter 😁😁
Your talking about me!
I agree, it like a lot of Deere's products was truly ahead of it's time
@@blainevolesky9653 deere wasnt ahead of the time when its Wagners design. Deere was and is normally behind on innovative moves. Usually the last to give in with change like their 2 cylinder tractors, conventional combines, the last of the 4000 series tractors in 93 and 94. Like i mention before deere also tries to shaft their competition if they cant buy them out.
So what are you basing this off of? Engine hp or tractor weight?
Most 4x4 tractors are rated off of the motor hp.
Look up "Baldwin" made in Australia, started making them in production in late in 70s, biggest was 600 hp, closed shop early 1990's, extremely nice looking tractor.
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Not true?
Mr. Diamond Lazy H sorry i don't see of1970.
Grear video sorry.
On the John Deere-Wagner, John Deere enter into a contract with Wagner, built for 4 years, then shutdown the factory before they paid off Wagner. Then made an Ag tractor out of a log skidder. The 7020.
When John Deere were involved with Wagner, as essentially a badge engineering exercise, part of the contract stipulated a non compete clause, inasmuch as so long as Wagner were making tractors for John Deere, they were not allowed to manufacture and sell any tractors under their own brand name. This effectively put the Wagner Tractor Company out of business.
God only knows who in their right minds would have signed such a one sided deal in the first place, but that's what happened.
I can only speculate that perhaps the Wagner Company were in financial dire straits, and signed such a contract, out of desperation. John Deeres' negotiators obviously drove an extremely hard bargain !
i notice that the 145 versatile was hp at the draw would make it more at the engine because you lose some through the gears and that would put it higher on the list. it should put it about 175 or near that
Versatile 145 had 180hp, 145 at the drawbar.
I believe you are correct. American and Canadian tractor manufacturers usually quoted their tractor outputs in either PTO horsepower and/or drawbar horsepower, since both of these indicated more acurrately indicated how much power was available to do actual, useful work.
Engine horsepower quotes were quite often meaningless, as a lot of power could be lost between engine, transmission, PTO and drawbar, due to either poor design or else at least some power was absorbed to run multi plate clutches in partial or full power power shift type transmissions, hydraulic services, electrical loads etc. No such thing as a free lunch, is an expression that readily springs to mind.
Fendt produce the 1050 tractor with an advertised rating of 517 engine horsepower, but what is telling is that they don't advertise how much of that power is available at the PTO and drawbar, since a huge amount is absorbed through their transmission and all of the other all singing, all dancing features of that model.
It remains the highest horsepower conventional rigid frame tractor on the market, but regardless of how you dress it up, what really matters, is how much of that power gets to the drive wheels.
My personal opinion is that such a horsepower rating is better delivered to the ground via an articulated tractor on the grounds of better weight distribution under implement load - exactly how all artics are designed to be.
No two wheel assist tractor, with unequal sized wheels can possibly compete with that, regardless of engine horsepower - it simply boils down to basic physics, which there's no getting away form.
Furthermore, artic tractors would be generally less stressed as an overall design when compared with a tractor in the same horsepower category, but utilising a conventional rigid frame set up.
What about the big bud with like 900hp
Are you talking about the Bid Bud 747? It was made in 1977, not 1970
Mr. Diamond Lazy H that’s what I was talking about and ok
what about the Oliver 2655
It wasnt produced until 1971 was it? This video only includes tractors from 1970. Sweet tractor though, we owned a White 4wd, that was basically an updated Oliver
Deutz dx 230????
Where's the Internationals ? IHC made several
@Equillizer Armtwister Not in the 70's they didn't
@@alan2982 Right, I think it was mid 1960's. Big Yellow tractors that stood out from all the red International equipment. I think they were 4100.
I think a Versatile 145 is more like 173 engine horsepower. Drawbar horsepower tends to be anywhere from 30 horsepower less than engine horsepower or more on a tractor that size. As for the 2455, not even 10 were made. Even the biggest experts on White farm equipment and the brands that made it aren’t sure. There’s either 2,1, or 0
Also, the tigers you showed were 2 turbo tiger 1s which weren’t out yet in 1970 and a 2200. Not complaining by the true Tiger 1 is extremely well and there’s a lot of confusion. If you’d like, give me your email address and I’ll send you pictures of a real tiger 1
I just wanted to that was interresting , and i would like to add that. Stiger built tractors for ford and Intl Harvester . They were the same tractor just a paint scheme and a name change like Wagner did for deere Also check into Woods Copeland and Rome those wete fairly large for there time.
Wrong! The Ford was a Steiger painted blue & white.
The IHC was a Steiger frame & cab. IH motor, IH transfer case, IH axles. That is why most 4366’s got parked, fan though the radiator, or transfer case out.
The AC I think was a Steiger painted orange, black, & white.
@@darrelfuhrman8217 Correct. The Stieger built Fords (built from 1977 thru '82/83 ish) were based on Stiegers' own equivilent Series III 'ST' (Narrow Frame - 39"), designated tractors. These tractors had a slightly longer wheelbase of 132•50", versus the 128•00" wheelbase of the 'ST' designated Stiegers (Wide Frame 44"). These tractors also had the option of a hydraulically driven PTO, which gave either 54hp at 540 rpm or 105hp at 1000 rpm. All previous Stiegers didn't feature a PTO, up until this point.
You are indeed correct that with the tie up with IH in 1973, they specified their own axles and engines and had the tractors styled in keeping with the equivilent high horsepower two wheel drive tractors of the era.
A particulary problematic model was the V8 engined model, with the engine itself causing several issues. Not a very reliable machine.
It is telling, that many (but not all) artic tractor manufacturers these days specify large capacity 6 cylinder engines for their machines, and in many cases also, will be bought in from an outside manufacturer, as the cost of developing ones own engine for what is still a comparatively small market share (artic versus rigid), does not make financial sense - the figures simply do not stack up.
Woods and Copeland???
This is a video request, could you do a video on the best selling Allis-Chalmers tractor?
Steiger Panther?
What about the top 10 allis chalmers
were was the big bud 747 it was made in 1977
This video only covered models produced in only 1970, thanks for watching!
@@grantlewton ok good vid
You forgot the 16v-747
It was made in 1977, not 1970
Ph sorry
Your list is inaccurate what about the Big Bud 950
I'm not aware it was made in 1970
What about the right earthquake 750
And the big Bud 747
Sorry about that they were built later in the seventies big Bud 747 and the earthquake
steigers!
Howdy. Would you be able to find out how many Oliver tractors that were branded as cockshutt were made? There doesn't seem to be any info anywhere. If you check out my last video I posted you will see why I'm wondering. Thanks for the video.
You are correct, that info is hard to come by.
Theres an oliver in Guthrie, Oklahoma.
Why wasn’t the John Deere 6030 on here
You left out woods Copeland who Rome industries bought out.
U completely missed Allis Chalmers 440 at 218
AC 440 came out in '73.
#3 oh only 1 qtr of me
What about big bud 747 that was made in 77
This video only cover tractors produced in 1970
Can you show NewHolland tractors
Zanello argentino motor cat 315 hp mod 1979
The 4156 would qualify then
Where is a K 700 and a T 150!!?!?
Grant i was thinking the same thing
Again way off the mark lol showing wrong pictures of tractors he was talking about couple tractors had scream Jimmy in them
Upton tractor from Australia should have made this list.
Only did US tractors in this video, but Upton Tractors are sweet. Interesting history!
What ticked me off was the fact that u didnt put in any ih tractors such as the 4366 and the 4568
4100
they were made well after 1970.
Lol, and those are repainted Steigers, can't remember what model tho
@@fordfarmer97photography11 steiger chassis with ih sheet metal and engines.
@@coltoncarpenter3790 Yeah that's what it was, I got mixed up
I wonder what number 1 is..
Wait u did it wrong Big bud 747 was the biggest
Should've added the Mf4wd
Which massey 4wd was made in 1970?
Mr. Diamond Lazy H the 1500 and 1800 series
Mr. Diamond Lazy H introduced in 69
You are right. I am under the impression they were not produced until 1971 despite being announced in 1969.
Stiger. North Dakotan strong
There was a lot of 2455 Oliver's built but there were only 10 propane built !! What about the 2655 Oliver or the 7520 deere this guy knows nothing about tractors
This video only covers tractors built in 1970. The 2655 was not built until 1971 and the 7520 was not built until 1972. Does that help?
Diamond Lazy H You said the 2455 had a Diesel engine. There were more than 10 diesel 2455’s produced.
Steiger was from Germany
@@jamiekouba9846Correct - niether Germany nor Norway ever built Stiegers - they were only ever built in the USA. Stiegers did however, utilise RABA built drive axles on some of their tractors and these were sourced from that Company, based in Hungary, in Europe.
RABA also built some Steiger tractors under a badge engineered licence, with their own name on the tractor, for a least a short while, for the European market.
Stieger cougher 2 ruffs tractor ever driver jd anyday
Get that terd out ya mouth
Granted I know nothing about tractors but why so little horsepower???
Tractor engines are rated differently than a car. Tractors geared lower, and the engines are made to hold a continuous load. It is a much larger engine than a car of 245 HP.
@@grantlewton 245hp tractor have more power than 600hp car
Is that not what I said?
I'm glad the Russians don't build large tractors, oh wait they do. And they're probably still using them today😊
Is this list supposed to be tractors that existed in 1970 or 1970 model year? The Deere Wagners are model year 1969, except for one which was a 1968 model.
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Where is the allis lol!!
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