Baldur's Gate Divine Spell Guide Level 3
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2020
- Hi this is the 3rd of 7 videos going over every divine spell in the baldur's gate series. This includes spells added from IWD via SCS mod and includes both druid and cleric spells.
I play the enhanced edition with SCS on insane difficulty and no saves no reloads so this video is focused on that, but most of what I say applies to core rules unmodded as well.
If you are curious about a particular spell I have them ordered here. Shoutout to yopimarus the hero.
S Tier
Call Lighting 1:58
Mold Touch 27:29
Animate Dead 53:24
A Tier
Cure Disease 7:57
Spike Growth 40:17
Summon Insects 47:32
Exaltation 1:00:32
Prayer 1:08:55
Remove Paralysis 1:11:36
B Tier
Cure Medium Wounds 10:04
Invisibility Purge 22:03
Storm Shell 43:01
Strength of One 44:49
Spiritual Clarity 51:16
Favor of Ilmater 1:02:51
Holy Smite 1:07:01
Remove Curse 1:10:48
Unholy Blight 1:13:02
Zone of Sweet Air 1:04:05
C Tier
Cloudburst 4:59
Dispell Magic 12:43
Hold Animal 20:18
Miscast Magic 25:25
Moonblade 32:09
Protection From Fire 36:21
Rigid Thinking 38:58
Cause Disease 55:26
Cause Medium Wounds 57:31
Circle of Bones 59:08
Glyph of Warding 1:05:12
If you would like to see me play live, my twitch stream can be found here / davaeorn I stream daily starting at 10 am EST.
Let me know what you think in the comments, God bless! - Ігри
The reason why I listen to this guy and believe what he's saying, apart from him saying he plays on Insane Difficulty, Hardcore Mode and SCS... Is that there's no "jump cuts". The guy's just talking with no editing. When someone can lay down information without using all this editing and jump-cut shite, you KNOW that they really do know what they're talking about.
Thanks for watching and commenting friend!
Well put, sir. Very well put.
Davaeorn Drinking Game (Suicide Mode):
-1x "Dogshit"
-1x "SCS"
-1x "Can't say enough good things about it"
-1x "Can't say enough bad things about it"
-1x "Devastating"
-1x "Beyond busted"
-Finish Drink "God bless you my friends"
What would you guys add?
If you watch my stream add "There's no way this kills me" and "I cant fucking believe that killed me" if you hear the first you have to pour a second drink, if you hear the second you have to finish both drinks at once.
Absolutely incredible
Complete waste of a spell
C tier all the way
Actually I take that back
Itty Bitty pieces
Now this is the robust upload schedule I look forward to every time there's a global pandemic
Ikr. I got work to do.
Still a good joke 2 years later!!!
3 years later you still got people like me coming back to these constantly especially as a fairly new consumer of crpgs, thank you mate excellent content, keep it up if that’s what makes you happy!
I missed the ratings for a few spells but I'm too tired to go keep looking through the video to find out what rating he gave them.
Edit: Reorganized the spells based on their ranking.
53:24 Animate Dead - S Tier
1:57 Call Lightning - S Tier
27:28 Mold Touch - IWD Spell - Low S Tier
47:31 Summon Insects - S Tier base game, A Tier with SCS
7:55 Cure Disease - A Tier
1:00:31 Exaltation - IWD Spell - A Tier
1:08:54 Prayer - IWD Spell - A Tier, Weaker version of Chant
1:11:35 Remove Paralysis - A Tier
40:16 Spike Growth - IWD Spell - A Tier
10:04 Cure Medium Wounds - B Tier
1:02:52 Favor of Ilmater - IWD Spell - B Tier
22:03 Invisibility Purge - B Tier
1:10:48 Remove Curse - B Tier
51:16 Spiritual Clarity - B Tier
43:01 Storm Shell - IWD Spell - B Tier
44:49 Strength of One - B Tier
1:14:05 Zone of Sweet Air - B Tier
55:25 Cause Disease - IWD Spells - C Tier
57:30 Cause Medium Wounds - C Tier
59:08 Circle of Bones - IWD Spell - C Tier
12:42 Dispel Magic - C Tier
20:17 Hold Animal - C Tier
32:08 Moonblade - IWD Spell - C Tier
25:25 Miscast Magic - C Tier
36:22 Protection From Fire - C Tier
38:38 Rigid Thinking - C Tier
1:13:00 Unholy Blight - C Tier
4:58 Cloudburst - IWD Spell - No tier given?
1:05:13 Glyph of Warding - No tier given?
1:07:00 Holy Smite - C Tier if Evil Party, if Good B or even A Tier
Bless you buddy
@@Davaeornlol wait wat tier is Bless spell?
@@hm09235nd I think it's B tier but that's a level 1 spell, and I only put it there if you're able to make good use out of it with a lot of attacks. Otherwise it's pretty underwhelming
I really appreciate your guide sir. Your spell guides are the best hands down!
Thanks friend I'm glad you enjoy them
@@Davaeornlol Amen! I'm about to re-watch them for the 3rd time soon as they are incredible source of inspiration towards creativity in the similar field albeit different game - God bless you my friend!
Yess! I’m a new subscriber for about a week but have seen all your informational videos. I will be starting a new play through of my favorite game armed with new spell knowledge thanks to you. One of the reasons I’ve played this game for the past 17 or so years (owned three original 5 disc set) is its amazing how many new things there are to discover. Please keep up the good work and finish your awesome informational series!
I will soon friend thanks for commenting! Hope you enjoy your next playthrough!
Thank you for continuing the series! It's really levelling me up as a player, learning what actually is good, and why I should value these spells... It why those I had valued weren't as strong as I had thought.
Thank you for teaching us :).
Thanks for watching buddy God bless!
Thank you for making this! Love your videos. Looking forward to seeing the rest of this series!
More to come soon! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Been watching tons of your videos recently, and...
damn.
Been playing isometrics over 20 years (BG 1, Fallout, BG2, Icewind Dale, etc.), and I thought I took BG2 to the extreme pursuing a dual wielding Kensai with Ring of Gax, Katanas, Stoneskin, etc.
Your vast knowledge, eloquence, subtle humor, and rapidfire delivery are incredible. My knowledge of spells was pitiful before, definitely bringing me up to speed quick.
Glad you're enjoying them friend thanks for watching and commenting!
It is incredible how much knowledge you have of this game. I have put hundreds of hours and can't believe how little I know.
You're awesome buddy, thanks for watching and commenting!
Great videos. So sick of not understanding the mechanics of the game I’m playing and casting dispel magic and miscast magic and not understanding why it is not working. That’s for explaining everything. Cheers 🍻
Algorithm has blessed me with your content. Subbed
“Up next hold animal: What absolute dogshit.” 😂😂
The information is great but the delivery takes it over the top
Can't say enough good things about these guides, S+++ all the way, God bless boys
Strength of One is pretty underwhelming on its own because of its short duration.
However if you have a Mage, you can cast Strength on top of Strength of One because they stack.
So not only are your companions standing at 18/00, the duration of that 18/00 is now 1 turn per level from the Mage's strength spell. For me, the duration is long enough for the whole map instead of just 1 (Depending on the map of course) or at least make a hurdle long enough where it doesn't feel like once per battle and is completely situational.
That and I usually carry two mages with me to make sure I have enough spells to support the slots for strength. A day without mirror image is a day without sunshine :(
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Update & Retraction: YIKES! I need to make a retraction from this combo! I tried it out today and it did bring me to 18/00 but only until Strength of One was up, then it dropped my strength down to 18/50 which is a definite no bueno :(
Looks like I'll be ditching Strength of One in favor of something else. It's getting harder to melee with your companions >.
I hope you're doing good Dav.
This is epic... The ratio of videos is making these days enjoyable for me man. No having a workplace is starting to effect, and it's just the beginning. But I can always come back to your videos and have a blast.
I used to cast Dispel Magic for years back in the day... I even wasted it on a spell sequencer. But yeah, I was lying to myself regarding it's usefulness lol
38:50 Saved vs Wuhan.
Great overview list as always!! I really have nothing to add, you nailed it all.
Yeah I need to make some more videos during the wuhan crisis especially I know it's rough out there. Hope you're well and God bless you as always for watching and commenting friend!
@@Davaeornlol Bless you Dav! Wishing you all the best. That was an epic stream, as always man.
@@squashedeyeball Bless you too buddy you're the best
Strength of One is for your summons.
Its debatable whether it's worth buffing your summons or adding another one,
I think there's one time that dispel magic is useful. In the final battle after Durlag's Tower with Aec'Letec, if he curses your party member or you and you don't get rid of it within a certain period of time, that person will turn into a ghast and be permanently killed. Dispel magic gets rid of the effect, preferably cast after the battle is over but before the party member blows up.
Hmm I've never been in that situation I always chug potions of mirrored eyes. I'm glad you found a use for it thanks for commenting friend!
@@Davaeornlol I tried chugging potions of mirrored eyes just before the fight, but they didn't work for me. I'd still get party members exploding into ghouls.
By the way, I should have mentioned in my last post how much I'm enjoying your videos, and how happy I am to see you've begun doing ones on divine spells.
@@mistymouse6840 Hey thanks buddy I'm glad you're enjoying them, we'll have the whole series done soon and can work on companions and other guides next. Mirrored eyes only last for 1 min so they probably expired, if that's not the case though I'm not sure what the deal there is.
I recently found out that Strength of One stacks with the wizard spell Strength for a perfect 18/00 score. Useful for when you need to buff the strength score of the warriors and rogues in BG1, with so few strength boosting items available.
Thanks for commenting and watching friend!
In my opinion the main use of Strength of One is to buff your summons, even skeletons you get from animate dead have about 15 str around that level I think? This buffs them hard. I used to think it was trash, but when you're playing a summon heavy style like a solo cleric/mage it's really useful
Great vid still
Also invisible stalkers last 9 hours
The problem is same level. 3 skeletons with 18/75 str for 1 turn or 4 skeletons? Kind of a wash.
Maybe if you need the resistances of that fourth skeleton, otherwise I found wand of monster summoning + skeletons buffed work well enough
@@saytr4 Sometimes less is more because of pathfinding issues.
Yeah as a prebuff for damage its pretty good, good point about summons I should have mentioned that, thanks for commenting and watching friend!
@@dragunovmain4142 "The Resistances of the Forth Skeleton" has to be a title for something.
Great video keep them coming!
Thanks buddy lots to come soon!
You can make circle of bones quite good spell before you can use improved haste (ie in bg1). The free action buff (from spell or ring). If you have the free action from any source, you can walk normally when the spell is on.
Oh dear, NOW you're spoiling us. :D
It's because I love you guys.
Thanks you so much really helpful guides! 👍
Glad you like them!
this might be reaching a bit - a niche use of holy smite is with a cleric/mage, you can use the robe of vecna or alacrity combo to unload 0 cast time holy smites. because cleric gets shit garbage at level 3 you can just stock up on holy smites. blinds, nukes, interrupts the shit out of everything not immune to magical energy with the useful instant magic damage. it uses your cleric level, so dropping 10 of these for 20d4 each, save for half, is just an extra way to load up on damage
Interesting idea! Thanks for commenting friend!
It's a good spell. Even if you have evil party members you can cast it as far off as you can see. It doesn't hit aerial servants ether, so you can send them to fight something and then just drop holy smite a bunch of times. I once finished off Firkraag with that, though he resisted most of the smites.
I also love cleric mages because you can use divine spells in sequencers. I’ve often had Aerie put 3 Holy Smites into a sequencer. Combine with having the Chant spell on you, this suddenly hits pretty damn hard.
Mind you I haven’t played scsii or Ascension(one day I will, I want a challenge!) so I don’t know all the metas for insane hardcore runs with the mods, I’ve only played vanilla.
here for animate dead ✌️ lol awesome videos my dude
favorite spell in the game aside from stoneskin
Hell yeah buddy thanks for watching and commenting!
Some of the most professional, high quality content i've ever seen in gaming. Right up there with the best. You rock but you know it sir. Hope lifes good on lockdown, stay safe, dont want to lose you x
Thanks buddy you too! Thanks for commenting!
Animate Dead is one of my favorite spells against magic users. If you have 2 Clerics you have an army. Stealth in (thief or ranger) with your skeletons, surround the mage(s) then bring in the heavy hitters.
Yeah they're spicy af.
summon spam also confuses the enemy due to the shitty pathfinding lol
Hey Davaeorn loving the content mate
That would be interesting, naturally the romantic encounters mod is SSS+ tier. Thanks for commenting friend!
Just 2 quick questions about spells. Doesn't Mold Touch affect party members? I think I didn't use it last time around because I thought it would also kill my melee characters (There's a fire spell from IWD, I think it's arcane that spreads and kills my own party if I have them close without protection from fire stuff on them). You also suggest using Silence radius 15, doesn't that also silence your own characters near the target? If so, do you just throw the silence before engaging with melee or you just usually have melee characters that won't really be affected if they get silenced?
Melee don't cast spells so it doesn't matter for them, mold touch didn't hit my party members last I tried it but I'll test it some more. Thanks for commenting friend!
I think the Strength Drain from higher level Trolls is considered a "Curse", so it's quite handy in the D'Arnise Keep
1:05:12 Abjurer is a Specialist Mage kit infamous for being objectively weaker than Mage. They get +1 spell per level like a Sorcerer but lose access to an entire school. There are no Abjuration spells with saving throws, so the Specialist Mage -2 Saving Throw Penalty can't be used by them. Except for Humans who dual-class from Abjurer to Cleric. If you do that one specific Dual-Class option the Abjuration Saving Throw Penalty will grant a -2 ST penalty to exactly _one_ spell: Glyph of Warding. It is the only way in the entire game to use that class feature.
No, it doesn't make Glyph of Warding good. But it's there.
Wholeheartedly agree with you on dispel magic. Bard or Keldorn in bg2 although I dislike inquisitors, Yeslick if you want original dispel magic in bg1 for guaranteed hit.
Thanks for watching and commenting friend!
I will take two casts of this spell at a specific point, right after the ahnkeg lair, I shuttle all the heads to the door, usually 9 or so, then distribute them among my party. First cast to get to travel to berghost, second cast to get them to the blacksmith. Quick cash early on
There ya go, thanks for commenting and watching friend!
Mould touch in my experience (unless it's been changed at some point) kills my party members more than enemies because just like burst of flames its not party friendly.
can't say enough good things about this video series
Thinkin of them beans.
@@Davaeornlol them beans 🥰
Mold touch is not party friendly. It affects any creature nearby so you either need to quickly cast this and runaway from the pack or it will be a quick self wipe.
I'm running a fighter/druid dual class (swapped class at level 3. Probably not optimized, but I mostly want a druid with weapon mastery and two-weapon style) and the stat requirements for this combo is pretty strict. 15 strength plus 17 wisdom and charisma, coupled with the less-than-idea minimum requirements for a fighter (9 strength), means anyone not interested in rolling stats for an hour might just make some choices. So I prioritized dexterity over strength presicely because I knew I'd get the Strength of One spell in my party around the time it would become more viable to go into melee. It was very useful until I got to the city of Baldur's Gate and could pick up the Gauntlets of Ogre Strength. After I got to the city, it is still reasonably useful, because almost no frontliner in the first game has decent strength. I just need to remember to take my own character and Minsc out of range before using it.
Strength of One won't remain useful much past BG1 (though I definitely want it in Irenicus' dungeon), but it is also freely included in the 3rd level divine spell list and you can swap it out for something else the moment you don't need it anymore. B tier seems about right if we're judging the saga as a whole, but I would say it is A tier for BG1 and C tier for BG2. It's a great compensator for not having lots of strength boosting equipment equipment and lets you hoard those tasty Potions of Giant Strength for the BG1 late game and Siege of Dragonspear.
Funny detail: Strength of One stacks with the Arcane spell Strength for a guaranteed 18/00.
Thanks for watching and commenting friend!
Hey guys fairly new player here. Could someone let me know how long is a round.
How long is a turn and how many rounds are in a turn please?
Mate amazing video content, you are the best advertising for this great game.
When you start playing you notice how in depth it is but you just open it all up and honestly you are making me enjoy the game way more.
6 seconds of real time in a round, 10 rounds in a turn (which is obv 1 min) 5 turns in an hour (5 min)
Finally!
Strength of one is pretty good with raise undead in BG1EE. It gives +1-2 to hit and +3 to damage to all the skeletons because they only have 16-17 Str depending on cleric level.
Stack it with things like chant and you are rolling. ideally you have at least 2 clerics.
YEP too true.
Cast the Insects once, cast Holy Smite to see what it would do. All the rest: ANIMATE DEAD. Hundreds and hundreds of them.
Thanks for the insight into all these spells I'm not casting.
Thanks for watching and commenting buddy!
If they made some sort of "Player Made Campaign" for BG.. Do you think you'd try to play it Hardcore/Iron Man and SCS on Insane? I'm just wondering because, while I'm kind of familiar with the game, there's loads I don't know or remember and usually I walk into a fight, see how it goes, then reload and change up my tactics in order to deal with it. I like the idea of having a "Spell Loadout" that just works for every situation.. But that implies an element of meta-gaming. Whenever I try to "Roleplay" my reactions based on what I observe in the moment.. IT never goes well for me. So, I was wondering, do you think you can only play on Hardcore/SCS and Insane ,because you know what's coming (for the most part) and how far do you think you'd get on a completely new campaign on those settings.
I think the spells in BG are limited enough to where you can react accordingly assuming you have a base up, protection from evil, fire, death ward, and petri will keep you safe from most magic. You can then pop consumes or cast spells to counter new things. The major exception here would be dragons, who have breaths that do a ridiculous amount of damage, and getting defenses up before hand would be almost mandatory unless your party stands way in the back while you have 1 dude scout everything. I still think it would be doable tho if you played carefully (which we don't do because I don't find it as fun XD) Thanks for commenting and watching friend!
I can't test right now, but couldn't you just use favor of ilmater on an enemy when you're low to heal up and damage them at the same time?
Much love, really enjoy listening to those videos while being lazy out in the sun at work.
God bless
Fraid not sadly :( thanks for watching and commenting friend!
Cloudburst is an Icewind Dale spell, where salamanders have a much more significant presence.
Trust me m8 I know these spells are well designed for IWD, most of them just don't translate here but lets be honest, I don't think anyone expected otherwise, but it wouldn't be a complete video if I didn't at least TALK about it know what I'm saying? Thanks for watching and commenting friend!
How about a Kensai Druid with Moonblade? Kai, for a guaranteed 24 damage every hit isn't that bad, right?
What's your IQ? That part where you casually ranted against Dispel Magic and threw in so much in depth information in there - without jumpcuts, hiccups, or other stumbling - shows a very high intellect.
Will you have guide for items too?
(Maybe only best items for x class)
I was considering it but it really depends on composition. I might do one at one point though thanks for commenting!
Davaeorn, what's the music that's playing in the background of these videos?
Temple of Helms theme from bg1
42:22 when you say "break through stoneskin" do you mean it ignores stoneskin and does damage without using up stoneskin layers or does it eat up the layers before damaging the enemy?
It eats the layers, and since it attacks so quickly you can bust through a stoneskin rapidly, which is quite useful in BG1 where you're missing all the time even against mages.
@@Davaeornlol I mean, it's very useful either way. The fact that it eats up stoneskin means it's gunna make the mage lose it faster, but if it didn't, it would still be awesome because he would still take damage despite having it, interrupting potentially. Which one do you think is better?
@@edgartheslayer3 Really depends on the situation tbh, if you think you can kill him quick eating skins is better, if you cant, would be better to interrupt him as much as you can. Hard to say really!
1:13:02 Davaeorn's analysis of Unholy Blight isn't entirely truthful.
In BG2 there is an option to kill a silver dragon to get the blood necessary to upgrade the Human Flesh, and in ToB EE during Dorn's quest you have the option of killing not one but _two_ more silver dragons for their scales to make into two sets of the best non-good armor in the game. Unholy Blight imposes a -2 Saving Throw penalty onto Good enemies. This has no save, neither does Doom or Greater Malison, and they all stack with each other. It is entirely possible to use these three to impose a whopping -8 penalty to the saves of some extremely tough boss monsters. If you play as a Necromancer->Cleric and your party sets up Doom, Unholy Blight, and Greater Malison onto a silver dragon and you cast Finger of Death that will impose an absolutely massive -12 penalty to their saving throws, which means they will _only_ save on a roll of 18 or higher. That's an 85% chance to delete a boss.
Never discount spells and weapons with extremely situational uses if they can rip shit through those specific situations.
Call lightning at s tier seems like a bit of a stretch considering how much time you spend indoors.
You can probably get a lot of use out of it in bg1 but I can't think of many areas in soa where It'd be all that useful.
SoA is definite the most limited of it, but you get plenty in bg1, a fair amount of BG2, and a good amount in ToB. Its damage is excellent from the moment you get it till the end of the game. With the exception of defensive spells, there are very very few spells under level 5 that are excellent right when you get them and continue to be so throughout the entire saga. Skull trap flame arrow fireball at level 5 are jokes unless you're trying to kill a pack of level 1 kobolds, magic missile is absolutely terrible at level 1. I don't even take acid arrow anymore. At level 5 call lightning does 7d8 damage, thats on par with a wand. Compare this to flame strike, which is a level 5 cleric spell, not even reachable in baldurs gate 1. Flame strike does 1d8 damage, fire, once, and it's still a good spell. Call lightning does MORE damage, hits MULTIPLE times, is a level THREE spell, and does electrical damage. At level 20, you're doing literally 5 x 22d8 to a group of enemies for a level 3 spell. That's on par firing off a skull trap sequencer into a few enemies. You're not wrong in saying that SoA is insanely indoors heavy compared to the other two, and it's arguably the largest and longest game to boot, but I can tell you in my playthroughs with druid MC this spell is absolutely deserving of S tier.
Strength of One can be used to boost summons. This makes it unique for boosting a full compliment of 5 summons. Aerie could Spell Sequencer this with Haste to boost Mordenkainen’s Swords. M Swords have a base strength of 14 and one attack per round. Strength of One and Haste would come close to doubling their effectiveness. Spiders would also be highly effective with Strength of One. 😳😳. Not Greater Were-Bears, of course, or Aerial Servants, they have a base strength over 22. But in BG2 and early SOA, when using the wands of Monster Summoning, SofO could be awesome. 😋
Nice thanks for watching and commenting buddy!
I like that might try it out later today
FYI - Holy Smite doesn't do 1d4 damage, it does 1d4 damage PER LEVEL. And this is AOE. So if you are level 10, and you have a group of 5 mummies, this does 10-40 damage per mummy (or 50-200 total damage) without hurting your party (if you are good).
If you have Viconia in your party this will never hurt her, because she has high magic resistance
i hope you come out with the higher tears too for my C/T poverty run I can use the info (though I'm leaving to Chapter 4, but still)
Soon my friend. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Question: i do not like using SCS but i want to get the IWD spells can i just install that component or is there another mod that adds them?
There should be an IWDifcation mod or something of the sort that will add them, alternatively you can install SCS but turn off all the features you don't like
OK thanks i will give it a try
Hi Davaeorn I am going to disagree with the C tier for moonblade for one simple reason, it provides the party with a +4 weapon for 2 turns which I might add only truly becomes available in chapter 6 in bg2 EE that means it is one of the few weapons that are useful against Kangaxx up to that point, with the Mace of disruption and Carsomyr as the only other options, as such I would grade it to A possible S tier.
There are a ton of items that can hit kangaxx although I do agree they're almost universally fighter oriented, with mace of disruption and staff of rhynn being the real only non fighter weps. You got two halberds, the wave (crafted), dragonsbreath from underdark, carsomyr ofc, burning earth and daystar both work because of their enchantments against undead, cutthroat (off bodhi), as well as the short sword of the mask and firetooth the crossbow, both of which can be acquired right after irenicus dungeon with a little bit of gold. There really are a lot of options, some of which are very late (like the wave, cutthroat) but others can be acquired as soon as you have the gold to buy them (firetooth, the mask, burning earth, staff of rhynn). I may have missed one or two more, I'm just putting down what's off the top of my head. As for the rating itself to each his own though this is just what I personally think. Thanks for watching and commenting friend!
Have you actually used it in that battle though? With Gaxx's 90% damage reduction and pathetic THAC0? I am betting you won't kill him in 2 turns. Hell, his ring might even regenerate more than you hit.
About Moonblade -- druids can't use flails or cast Holy Might, and even if they could Moonblade would still be better against undead (2d12+4 vs 1d6+8 at 19 str). Also, magic resistance has no effect here, what matters is resistance to magical damage.
And yes, it is much better in Icewind Dale, which features a lot of various types of undead, like imbued wights, which are immune to non-magical weapons and are first encountered at a time when magical weapons are still pretty rare (while druids already have access to lvl 3 spells).
Speaking of undead, I think you are using the term "skeleton" for both standard ones ("all it takes is one good hit") and skeleton warriors (immune to magic).
Yeah I really need to differentiate the two, the issue here is regular skeletons don't merit a moonblade, and I don't want my druid going toe to toe with a skeleton warrior because the druid is gonna lose that fight. In bg1 skeleton warriors are very nasty, excellent thac0 and their damage is ridiculous, to the point that even a pure fighter using flails is gonna be in for bad time with even a little bit of RNG. In bg2 I'd still rather have a fighter with imp haste go for the skeleton warriors, for mummies the druid can't melee, as it can't afford to get mummy breathed, it needs to focus on removing that, spectrals die instantly if you have a good cleric and if you don't then here the moonblade could be useful but druids saves are also horrendous, making it very likely your druid just gets paralyzed and turned into druid meat. Obviously liches don't even need be mentioned since if you're hitting a lich he's gonna die regardless of whether you have moonblade up. So, moonblade is irrelevant for regular skeletons, it's too risky to melee a ghast/skeleton warrior in bg1, and it's too risky to melee a mummy/spectral undead in bg2, so what the hell are you using moonblade on? I just don't see it working well in baldurs gate in any way shape or form. Imo, there are better ways of dealing with undead. Thanks for commenting friend!
I see your playing bg and not bg2 but perhaps you can answer a question I have. Where in bg2ee can you find the summon aerial servant spell?
Level 6 cleric spell, it's learned automatically as soon as you hit level 11. In bg1 thats well beyond your xp range, but a few npcs will have it and use it, such as bassilius, tamoko, and the mayor of beregost.
@@Davaeornlol thanks for the reply. Really like these videos I'm new to the game and there's quite a bit to wrap ur head around but ur explanations have helped a lot
@@christophercain7175 Happy to help anytime I hope you have a nice day friend!
How is holy smite b tier? It scales all the way to 20d4, deals pure magic damage, can blind enemies, and is party friendly if you don't have evil party members.
Hey man, great job for all your spell guides. PLEASE CHANGE THE BACKGROUND TEMPLE MUSIC, IT DRIVES ME CRAZY!! 😆 There are many other mellow clips from the game to use. "That said", keep up the great work.
you would be surprised how many people comment asking what it is because they love it XD. I can't please everyone! I might turn it off entirely though because there really isn't any track that you can listen to more than a few times before it starts getting irritating
@@Davaeornlol It's fine I'm mostly kidding, if you have the time you can put a playlist of music clips from the game to change things up a bit. Btw, if you're up for some multiplayer action give me a nudge.
@@jondm733 We have tried a few times in the past to get one going but it turns into an absolute shitshow pretty quickly unfortunately :(
@@Davaeornlol I can imagine. Cooperating with someone from the other side of the globe you just met is quite unlikely. BG isn't Diablo to jump in for a quick clickfest. Still, if you're willing to give it a shot, I'm always interested in a good session.
Thx for being with me during my tatto sesion xd well played my Dude!
When I first played BG2 I tried all the spells I thought they all had a use... ha! but I could already tell that certain spells like dispel magic never seemed to do ANYTHING but screw me over. I never caught on to how stupid OP so many spells are, and bless was a mandatory pre-buff for me lol as well as defensive harmony...
Yeah it's really strange. To be fair SCS does change the game a bit too.
Love the content, but video would be close to half length without all the repeats 🎉
Many of the spells from IWD are actually more useful in IWD rather than in BG. Especially the ones that are better against undead since in IWD, the first 3 chapters or so of IWD is 95% undead enemies. You also fight against dozen or so undead at a time, some which are completely immune to normal weapons, meaning that all of a sudden moonblade is actually somewhat useful along with holy smite, when you only have 2 or 3 character that have magical weapons (if you've been lucky with drops). I couldn't imagine playing those parts without Turn Undead since that ability alone makes that part of the game quite easy, but still a chore when you are facing dozen normal weapon immune wights with only 2 characters that can damage them. Think I tried Moonblade once in one of my IWD runs and I did get pretty good value out of it especially against the Wight hordes, but that's about it.
But yeah. In BG, the IWD divine spells aren't that useful.
Yeah exactly, it just doesn't translate as well.
I think IWD spells are better balanced than BG2 and that's why they are comparatively underpowered.
I don't mean to keep spamming your comment sections but if there's one small thing I wish could be noted it would be what spells are changed by SCS and how. Spells like Charm Person, Hold Person, Charm Monster, and Hold Monster in the original pen-and-paper are different levels because each spell will only work on certain creature types. Person indicates humaoinds (elves, humans, dwarves, etc.) while Monster means "works on anything even ankhegs or mindflayers". That said, Hold Animal is a spell that, in the pen-and-paper game is limited to Animals, but that's massively more useful there where the DM can throw a pack of Fleshraker Velociraptors at the party. Here, that's not useful in the least.
Except in the base unmodded game where there is no distinction. Anyone playing unmodded looking to pick spell should know that, spells like Charm Person or Hold Animal will target anything that exists. It still doesn't have a save penalty, but if you're looking to hit something with a disabling spell and just win by piling on the crowd control Hold Animal will still target anything in the base game and Enhanced Editions. It's one of those spells that's a lot better unmodded but was modded to be in line with the tabletop rules.
I think a lot of these spells were changed by the base game engine it self, bg2 changed nearly every spell in the game, while the original bg1 had spells far closer to their ad&d counterparts.
I would appreciate that too as a lowly console player devoid of mods 😢
Excellent content regardless
Surprised that you placed Remove Paralysis at anything lower than S tier. For me at least, it's one of the game's most effective and frequently used lifesavers.
It really is critical but it's critical like cure disease (also A), in bg1 you got the ring of free action so you don't need it at all, and it doesn't do anything to stuns which is ironically what I'd really really want it for since you encounter some nasty stuns in ToB. Nobody uses wand of paralyzation in bg2, and the amount of ghasts you come across is limited as well, I find myself using it less and less as I play more and more although as mentioned it really is important to have but I just don't use it as often. I unironically cast protection from petrification more than remove paralysis.
Lightning Strike is so good in the Yaga Shura fight. Oh, you mentioned that. Eh, use it in Athkatla, too.
Yeah, cloudburst is allright in the Aquarium in IWD, where you aggro a million salamanders with annoying auras. Outside of that, it's useless in IWD, too.
Yeah, Dispel Magic.... That's Keldorn's job. Oh, you mentioned that.
Yeah, I relied on Hold Animal in the Cloakwoad to combat spiders... But those are determined as monsters. They do not count as evil, however.
Oh I actually do know why Animate Dead is so loaded. It's because it's a terrible translation of the D&D rules. For one, it should be restricted to clerics of evil deities with the proper portfolios [Bane, Myrkul etc] ; bringing an undead creature is a very evil act. Second, you *animate* a corpse, you don't summon it from another plane or something. That means, that first, you'd have to find [or create] a 9HD corpse in order to raise it [conditions apply]. In pen & paper, you'd not be able to raise an army of the dead in the Bridge District without anyone noticing, let alone out of thin air. You'd have to bring, say, Xzar to Lord De'Arnise, then hold a bit of a seance. He will follow you for eight hours, being the undead equivalent of Lord De'Arnise, so not necessarily whatever you choose. Also, after that, he isn't unsummoned. He will just wander the castle forever, aimlessly. Also note that, per those rules, good clerics don't have the Harm line, and Evil clerics don't have the Cure line. This is why Turn Undead works differently for Viccy and Anomen, for example.
Oh, and ALSO: You couldn't bring that undead minion out into the daylight. The games actually do hold to this rule, you don't come across undead outdoors during the daytime; but they will follow you out, and you can summon them as you please and it doesn't hurt them. It should.
Fair points thanks for watching and commenting friend!
You see a bit of daytime undead in BG1 - high hedge skeleton, Bassilis's friends, skeletons outside durlags, etc.
@@lolmatt9 Yeah, I've had a few instances of this in BG2, as well. Uncle Lester, for one. Or the bear boy, once he's initiated, he'll stay through the night if you rest.
Cool info brother thanks!
in my testing call lightning strikes once per round
It's weird because it is definitely way faster than once per turn, but once per round seems high to me. I'll have to do some more playing around with it. Thanks for commenting friend!
cloudburst is for IWD but ehhh
Also, you will always be above enemy casters with dispel but only if inquisitor.
Yeah it's just a shame tbh.
You didn't explain why you think Prayer is weaker the Chant. It seems to be pretty much the same, except for quicker casting time and level-dependent duration. The way the spell affects enemy damage is worded differently, but I'm not sure there's an actual difference there, especially considering that in original Icewind Dale the wording for both spells is the same.
And by the way, in IWD Prayer is much stronger, because Chant has serious drawbacks (lower movement speed and disabled spellcasting). It's a weird situation when the spell gets imported into the game without changing how Chant works.
Chant does everything prayer does and affects spell damage on top of it, making it technically do more, although the slower movement is annoying. The original chant was ALWAYS strong, the IWD version is actually much weaker, and in the case of spells being different between IWD and BG, the creators of SCS usually went with the BG version, in this case, they decided to add the movement slow penalty because chant was, as mentioned previously, very powerful. It does seem strange that the spells kinda have a cherry picked feel to them in whats changed and whats not so it can get confusing. Thanks for commenting and watching friend!
@@Davaeornlol So you're saying that Chant does affect enemy spell damage and Prayer does not? Did you manage to test that? The Baldur's Gate description of Chant looks like something taken straight from the manual, which makes me doubt whether or not it's actually implemented.
And like I said in original IWD descriptions match, so whatever the answer is, I suspect it applies to both spells. Problem is, it's rather tough to test that.
@@Mrityugata Yes, SCS purposefully chose the BG chant over the IWD one but added the movement speed penalty, BG chant affects spell damage, as it is luck, not a flat boost, which is what prayer does. If prayer is applying a +2 luck bonus INSTEAD of doing what it actually says with zero drawbacks it would be absurdly overpowered, reducing the damage you take from spells to nothing since you can combine it with chant. Just to be sure I'll check the actual modification code but I'm 99% sure chant is applying luck, while prayer is applying the flat bonuses it has listed.
He keeps referring to SES. What is SES? Different from Enhanced Edition? EDIT: NVM he explains in description.
SCS yeah
Circle of Bone then freedom maybe?
Davaeorn, I think you would really enjoy the Spells Revised mod. It straight buffs up some useless spells (like *all* monster summoning spells in BG2), nerfs the OP ones a bit, generally makes things a bit more interesting and balanced. For example, there is no longer Spell Immunity spell (you have spell that grants one-time immunity to dispel and Breach instead), there is no longer Mantle and Improved Mantle (you have completely different spells instead), all summons are considerably better (Summon Elemental has no psychic contest and summons better elementals; most monster summoning spells scale with level), Glyph of Warding is enemies only... you get the picture. But you can no longer do crazy things like dropping 25d6 Skull Traps in ToB (Skull Trap caps out at 10d6 just like Fireball does; by the way Fireball in Spells Revised has saving penalty); no true sight immunity with SI:Divination... so I am not sure if it's compatible with SCS, but I think it's worth trying out.
Yeah I've heard good things about it I might try it at some point. Only reason I haven't installed it or other major gameplay changing mods is the more crap you install, the less the game feels like baldur's gate. I don't want anyone to join stream and be confused as to what is happening XD
Mate to my knowledge, Mold Touch is not Party Friendly :s Im sure i have hit my frontliners with it as collateral of aiming at huge groups of enemies in fisticuffs with my frontline. Would love confirmation on this.
It is in BG, not sure about IWD. A lot of spells were modified with SCS IWD spells.
@@Davaeornlol Fair point, think your right about the IWD/BG2 difference in my memory.
Anyway my Shadowdancer Zap Brannigan w voicepack made it to just before Daveaeorn on No Save no reload etc as you play, and fucking phase spider poison ticked me for like 80 damage in 6 seconds. So ill take it with less than a pinch of Salt when you mention lethal trivialities in your spell guides xD
All I heard was Zap Brannigan screaming OH GOD NO! fml. Keep up the streams anyway bro. Funny af that Goldblum Orbital Bombardment Cow xD. Oh and We all wanna see that Pillars stream bro, and maybe IWD 1&2 ftw. PoE1 is amazing but PoE2 is trash.
Anyway take it ez. Some old salty Infinity engine vet :)
@@Davaeornlol Was using this on my current run in BG with SCS and it does not appear to be party friendly sadly. I have no idea how to use it safely given those constraints. As lethal as it is to enemies, it is every bit as much so to you.
Looks like I over-evaluated dispel.... I’m pretty sure exaltation and prayer aren’t in BG2 though so level 3 pretty weak!
Yeah they're added with SCS
Dose hold animal work on spiders?
Nope, they're considered arachnids just like ettercaps, hilarious isn't it?
Hi you don't even need to make a video for this you could just post the list somewhere but I would greatly appreciate it, if you would please make a spell list for carrying all the way through to the end of Baldur's gate two siege of dragon spear, please.
for core rules please, i do add mods to my game but just side quest mods to lengthen the game and story or ones to just add more variation.
For sorc? or
@@Davaeornlol for mage and sorcerer please. sorry for such a late reply
what I understand about Invisibility Purge is it can dispel invisibility magics completely which means it will delete imp. invisibility buffs too. So can it be more useful than detect invisibly in this regard?
Detect invis and invis purge im pretty sure are scripted to do the same thing. They take care of any actual invisibility spell (not mirror image, but imp invis shadow door etc etc. So it's literally detect invis, but a longer cast, and at a higher tier of spells.
@@Davaeornlol thanks for the info. , I found some descriptions are misleading and generally they don't give you full info. about their functions. You need to test them by yourself but it is difficult since you even can't see the effects on opponents. If not for your spell guides, I would have a very hard time playing the game.
How do you get that nice looking UI instead of god-awful ugly dragonspire UI?
uninstall dragonspear
The most notable good enemy is actually Caelar Argent from Siege of Dragonspear, but she's avoidable so there's that.
Nothing from siege of dragonspear is notable.
It is quite satisfying to kill her though.
Too true.
Balthazar as well, but Unholy Blight is a dogshit tier spell against him anyway for a variety of other reasons.
arent these hold person spell types supposed to be lvl 2? hold undead\person\animal. call lightining from stuff bangs 3 times minor damage i would really preffer it to go off ones medium strength though it may be just wrong formula. magic miss cast i think the idea behind it is to safely deplete mages spells as opposed to the insects that should just render spells unusable in theory. i really dont understand how insect work on stone skin or how they distract the mage, do they dig inside ). also it you look at how priest and druid spells merge together and share like 80% spells gives the idea that someone just dont like druid class making it cheap substitute for priest. cure disease spell isnt it like the same a potion? druid is missing summon animals on 3rd lvl. why they put it on lvl4? mage and priest have summons on lvl 3. i think spell regeneration is missing as spell 3 same as potion. in the druid grove battle girl panther using spell protection from fire\cold + regen - that would come handy if combined. holy smite is over powered.
Not sure how it is in AD&D, but this is how it is in BG, Call lightning hits like a truck. The point of combat is to kill your opponent and insects just do it so much more efficiently, insects break stoneskin, just like the person got hit, except they don't need to roll for thac0 they ALWAYS hit, yeah druids do seem weak in BG but bugs really do make up for it, I don't think holy smite is that overpowered, but if you are a good party its definitely a decent spell to do damage. I just play evil too much!
Davaeorn, Hope you feel better now and don't have the CoronaVirus (that's only a normal cold/pollen allergy).
Yeah I don't have the wuhan yet, I'm just enjoying allergy season. Hope you're doing well friend God bless!
D, according to the wiki, Remove Paralysis cures Stun. 😛
theres a lot of weird abilities in this game that are holds / stuns / paralysis that shouldn't be :(
@@Davaeornlol one thing I do love to use is triple symbol: stun in chain contingency cast on SELF. This makes triggering certain, and Chaotic Commands provides immunity to stun. (something I still can’t fully trust on the wiki) After your dragon disciple stuns the entire room, move in your fighters, or cast incendiary cloud.
Disagree with your assessment of the Moonblade spell. It's excellent for liches. You don't take it for the damage, you take it for the prevention of casting. Lich has protection from magic weapons? So what. Once you've torn off the mirror images and stoneskin layers, you still hit and prevent it from casting anything.
Moonblade does not ignore PFMW in my game so it doesn't prevent spellcasting at all.
Call Lightning S tier? You can only use it outside. The long casting time is also an issue if you don't have ironskins up. Animate Dead is a good summoning spell, better at 15 or higher but those skeletons can go down pretty quick. Outside of Gate or a Planetar all a summoning spell is going to do is buy you a round or two. Holy Smite should be A tier. Outside of some curative/defensive type spells 3rd level divine spells are garbage with a few exceptions.
what percentage of Icewind Dale is outdoors?
I thought it was more dungeon crawler tbh but I dont know at all, it's been so long since i played it.
@@Davaeornlol yeah, it was more of a joke. It's 99% indoors so the call lightning spell is useless. Also, majority of enemies is undead and/or nonhumanoid so I have to do a lot of translating to what you're saying. I still learned so much!
Holy crap, half of all best divine spells are added by the mod. Sorry, but I think saying that one is playing only with the mod elements that make the game harder is not precise. As original game player I don't know what to pick for some levels as it just isn't relevant. Also it would be useful if every modded spell was described as such when the explanation starts.
Yeah I really erred on this one in regards to talking about which spells were added and which were base. However you gotta keep in mind, enemies get these spells too. There are a lot of clerics in bg1 an 2, the drow packs especially are notoriously more difficult with this component, most importantly, the druids best spell insect plague has been HEAVILY nerfed, if nothing was gained at all to compensate, the class would actually have been nerfed so much it would drop down a tier, possibly 2. As for cleric, they were always much weaker than mages in the original game and imo, shouldn't be. Even then, these spells don't put them on par with mages, same goes for druids. It just gives them enough to where you don't look at your spell book and say, wow, these are all so terrible I have nothing to choose at all.
Skeletons (including skeleton warriors) are not immune to lightning, just cold and poison like other undead.
They are in my version but I might be out of date. I haven't upgraded my game nor SCS since 32 came out. My apologies for the confusion thanks for commenting friend!
@@Davaeornlol I checked it in unmodded Beamdog edition of BG and BG2, but I don't recall SCS having any component that changes skeletons. You're sure it's elemental damage resistance and not magic resistance? I mean, if you cast Lighting Bolt on a skeleton warrior it won't do damage because of magic resistance, but if you strip them of MR (or it's a standard skeleton) it will hurt them. Or if you hit them with something like Bassilus' hammer. Which by the way was not the case in the original BG -- MR was protecting even from weapon elemental damage (changed in BG2).
@@Mrityugata Yeah I tested it on regular actual skeletons, like the ones that ambush you outside high hedge, says immune in the light blue coloring. 100% not an MR thing, and I'm with you, I know for a fact I killed them with lightning before, but the last time I hit em with lightning for some dumbass reason they're immune now, in addition to skeleton warriors and the spectral horrors outside durlag (not helmed horrors the other one). Yeah MR in bg1 was spicy as hell, I remember giving viccy 3 healing pots before I noticed she wasn't healing at all. Imagine being able to resist potions with MR, hilarious.
@@Mrityugata Doing a second reply here hope it doesn't get confusing, I just pulled up my game, just now, and hit a regular skeleton at high hedge with call lightning. The exact message is "Unaffected by effects of call lightning" which to me is strange, I can understand some magical bones being resistant to say shocking grasp, but lightning is so much raw energy it should fry bones just fine. I'm fairly certain it's something SCS has changed.
@@Davaeornlol Ok, so it is SCS. Just checked the same in unmodded game -- fries them just fine.
You argument pro Invisibility Purge is that your mages cannot cast Detect Invisibility twice. Why not?
Can cause disease insta kill due to str 0 ?
It's funny cause I tested it before doing this video and I woulda said no, did more testing after the video and it looks like it does. You'll be hard pressed to make it happen because of saves but it does seem possible! You also cant contingency them or sequencer as a cleric mage which is a shame.
@@Davaeornlol Shame about contingency/sequencer that might have been deadly. Thanks for testing it.
@@tuverentetil Ikr thats what I was thinking too lol
@@Davaeornlol Seems like the best use for cause disease is to combo with breach to bully wizards: I do not have an encyclopedic knowledge of the spells but most anti magic is faster then speed 9, so you lower the defense and then you hit them for an average of 12.5 STR. Probably useless BG2 given my memories of how many dimensional doors and time stops but I make my point.
Do level 4 divine spells already, my cleric is waiting....
S00n
They really should have chose the better IWD spells
Imo ur overrating mold touch. U say u dont need to manage it once its cast, but i disagree with that. U have to make sure u dont kill the host before it spreads. To get the spell to work u have to actively avoid that enemy. And this hits ur party members too so u rly have to move ur party out of the way, where u could just as well flat out murder him directly. Especially thinking ur already in melee range anyways cause its a touch spell. I recently got iwd for my ps4 and was excited to use this spell after i saw this vid, but doesnt work for me.
When you're fighting enemies with a lot of hp is when it shines, casting on the back, like in ToB. I think I may indeed have overrated it but it's a level 3 spell that does a lot. Don't take what I say and apply it to IWD btw, If I said this works great in IWD don't listen to me, I'm a bg streamer not IWD, what works well here and works well there may not be the same thing.
How does dispel magic get you killed though? Shouldnt you just cast it away from your party?
1080p o_0
It's very important you see my handsome face in the highest of resolutions. I'm not sure why but youtube seems to reject my edited videos less when they're formatted for 1080p. Hopefully it's not too annoying for you!
Next up: Hold Animal. What absolute DOGshit. See what you did there.
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Bruh why do you say unironically so much? Most of the things you call unironically are ironically ironical tbh :D
I unironically don't know
@@Davaeornlol XD lol