My first thought is that it sounds like the Gibson has got hotter (cheramic) pickups, while the Orville probably has more low-output pickups (like the '50s and '60s Customs had) so naturally the Gibson has got a more high-end sizzle and more gain, while the Orville has got a more rounded vintage like tone. With the same pickups thrown in they would probably sound just about the same.
I have a 1991 Orville by Gibson LPC in white that's faded to that beautiful vintage off-white/cream colour, and a new Les Paul Studio 60's Tribute Gold-Top, and find myself playing the OBG 80% of the time. It has the standard Gibson USA neck pickup as fitted at the factory, and a Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge position, and it absolutely rocks!! The sound is incredible, as is the playability.
I've played a Les paul from that Japanese factory, it sounded and felt more like a les paul than the Gibson I played, through a cheap Marshall valvestate I got the exact Mick Ronson sound
глеб жигалов says: "And if you known quality of japan manufactures higher as yankees.." == I'd trust Japanese made quality more than US made on just about everything. I've been disappointed by US brand and US made products too many times. And I have had dream of owning one of those products made in US. That includes Fender Stratocaster(I bought one in 1980s). Yep, it was made in US. It was stolen later but I didn't miss it. I only wished I made some money selling it.
Ace Frehley says: "allgoo19 do I need to get you some tissues?" == For what? Feeling nostalgic about fictional Fender made in US quality? Have you ever had one of those(Fender or Gibson)? I've been far more impressed by PRS or Parker(and Carvin) and any Japanese brands than those two.
The best US made guitars are as good as anything. The trouble seems to be that in between the best ones, there's always a couple to avoid. We are better at innovating in the States, and less good at producing multiples economically. Unfortunately, the innovation with Fender and Gibson guitars occurred about 60-65 years ago, and most of the stuff that both have come up since then has been "unspecial".
Even though the sound is probably the biggest factor, one thing that is hard to determine from these videos is how they feel, especially since we all have different preferences with regards to neck profile. I know this is going into cork sniffer territory, but would a modern Gibson LP Custom have a long tenon? I believe the Orvilles do, and that is a major factor for any set-neck instrument. In that vein, would it be fair to say that if we spent another 300 quid on upgrading the pickups and electronics in the Orville, (because it does sound a little quieter, if a little more articulate) would they be on par with one another? Because if that is the case, I'd rather spend 800 in total vs 2500, only because I ain't rich enough to be dropping 2.5Gs.
Errik Wong says: "one thing that is hard to determine from these videos is how they feel,...." == I once had a chance to try on a real Gibson Les Paul belongs to a working musician(not famous). I'm not a big Gibson fan, so I just walk by the glass case when I see it in the store. I was surprised to see the feel of cheapness, I had to wonder if this was really a Gibson I've heard so much about. I don't try out expensive guitar in the store very often but I once tried a Parker and play around it. It's light weight feels like a paper but was built everything very solid. If the price is not an issue, I'd pick Parker over Les Paul any day.
I've had the chance to try out a Parker Nite Fly. Totally different vibe to a Les Paul, and more in line with super strats with the ultra skinny neck and H-H pickup configuration.
Errik Wong says: "I've had the chance to try out a Parker Nite Fly. Totally different vibe to a Les Paul, .." == My observation about those guitars were about how they were put together and how they were finished. I felt the Gibson(Les Paul) was ready to come apart just by look at it. It felt like it makes some chagging noise from parts rubbing against each others just by being picked up and it wasn't from the strings. And that lousy painting... Maybe each unit are built differently.
Yeah I get what you mean. I've yet to try out a 2017 model, but to be fair I did try out a 2015 Standard and it felt good. Have tried several 2016 models but they did not give me the same solid vibe as maybe a pre-2013 model.
The guitar (Gibson Les Paul) I held was much older. It was in 1990s, and the guitar looked quite old even back then. I'm guessing it was built around 1970s, possibly older. One of those guitars that people would spend mega bucks as a vintage. Remember that it belonged to a working musician. He must have pretty good knowledge of vintage and he looked for that kind of guitar.
Any tone difference between these two can be addressed by changing the pickups on either guitar, or even (and obviously most easily) by simply messing with your amp settings. The real question centers on build quality, feel and playability. In my experience, high-end Japanese guitars equal anything built in the US.
Brian O'Malley but the original orville sound more like the 59 Gibson humbuckers than the modern Gibson ones, seems like Gibson have gone for more power and sacrificed tone. I did this to one of my grecos, put in modern bust buckers, when I compere them to my vintage orville and my Greco egf 1200 there not as close to the classic 59 sound
My son and I tried an Orville and it felt better than a lot of Gibsons we've tried, my son does however have a 1979 Greco Standard all stock and that thing is a Gibson killer as well as our late 80's Greco SG ee just got, that one has Gepetto Camelot pick ups in it and they are a PAF style so it just makes that guitar roar when it's plugged into our Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100 and JCM 900 or my sons Vox AC 30
I did actually buy an Orville even with the stock pickups I have not played a guitar this nice in a while.yes Ill be upgrading the electronics but Im still way ahead of the game plus mine is 21 years old.I'll still be cheaper than a studio ,
Just back a guitar shop. Played about 10 guitars including Gibson Custom shop Les Paul Special, PRS McCarty 594 Singlecut, 80's Tokai SG. The best guitar I played by some distance was an Orville Custom Les Paul. It has lots of wear, nicks, scratches, dinks. But it was the most fun and had by far the best feel of any of them.
I hope you know I literally went through my entire iTunes library trying figure out where I have heard that opening song before... Super brain fart that it was hurting... It's W.A.S.P.'s Wild Child if anyone else cares lol
I drive for a living. I listen to videos. I can't watch them. I have heard numerous guitar vs guitar videos. Frankly... I couldn't tell the difference just by listening. :)
I've been toying with the idea of investing in an Orville/Epiphone (with the moustache shaped headstock) for a while now. There's the obvious difference in price and sound, but I don't mind the differences in tone too much TBH. They'll also be kinder on my hip pocket.
As a massive Orville fan, I may be a bit biased. However, to my ears, the Gibson has a boomy low end, where as the Orville sounds a bit more focused. The Orville also has a much more pleasing midrange and treble to me. The Gibson doesn't sound bad at all, but the nuances in the tone make me lean towards Orville. It has more of what I like to hear in a guitar.
Truth is, the crowd wouldn’t know the difference at a gig. I have an 87 Gibson Les Paul Standard and 91 OBG LP Custom. Slightly prefer the standard but my advice is if you can afford a USA Gibson , its a safer bet as it will hold its value and be much easier to sell (should you wish to).
Nothing wrong with an Orville Gibson, I almost bought one years ago but went the standard Gibson route instead, I'd still wouldn't mind having one, they are damn fine guitars and usually a little cheaper, all they really need is a pup change and you're good to go.
Both good guitars. The Gibson in this case has an edge in clarity and brightness. More brightness always sounds better in a comparison, but might be fatiguing sometimes (for example, a thin top taylor would always sound better than a Martin in comparison at a store, but the Martin sound is nicer to listen to every day. Unfortunately, the Martin guitar will sound weak when you play one side by side).
yeah... it feels just the same when i heard it through the speakers, but when i used the earphone.. the gibson gives more bold tone, and clear for each string... but the orville sounds almost good. especially when you have low-budget... it is really good
Great comparsion, what are YOUR thoughts about the 2 guitars? I know the orvilles pickups have very low output, very p.a.f, but with ceramic magnets wich makes them sound very harsh. I think thats make up for most of the difference in tone. Put the same pickups in both guitars and have same tipe of wiring (50´s or modern) and they will sound almost identical plugged in an amp.
I'm in Vietnam. Japanese Les Paul's come through all the time for about $250 - $350. Burny, Greco, Orville, etc. Going to play an Orville this week if it's still in the shop. White custom like in the vid, except some crappy buckers dropped in it. We'll see.
Totally agree. I have an early 80s Burny Super Grade which I've upgraded. Now it was a great guitar stock but since the upgrades it is simply outstanding. I love everything about that guitar, it's just perfect now.
orville over gibson any day. Got an orville (1900 I think) swapped out the pick ups for duncan jb in bridge & jazz in neck noticed an immediate difference in the volume (duncans louder). The jb is awesome clean or fully distorted & the jazz is so warm it's beautiful clean & great for soloing dirty. gibson is just over priced & not as well made in my opinion.
doesn't matter, it's whatever you prefer, got a 1976 lotus paul plywood with a bolt on neck mij and it sounds good to me, 190 bucks, makes it sound even better!
funny, I seen videos with greco /gibson comparsion where the Greco soundet like this GIbson and the Gibson as this Orville, same comments about the sound from Gibson lovers..the experience is in the eyes ;D Here the Gibson sounds shrill with more piercing highs and the Orville more vintage mellow..just my 2c
The decision about what's liked or not on these videos is all in the amp mix and how it works with the pickups in each guitar. it's hard to compare much. If either of these is straight and the neck profile and weight are to your liking, there's little more to it than that, anyway - having the pickups that you like. And faffing with the nut and tuners to get it to be stable.
Actually got a Gibson Les Paul Custom. Slapped EMG’s in it anyways 😂. Bought another Gibson since my last post too. I left the burstbucker pros in that one. They’re pretty good. 👊🏻 Still have t put a Floyd on either one yet though.
one of the guys at the studio i work at has an orvilled 59 reissue and that thing is sooo sick. from what i understand its basically the same thing as a gibson custom shop for an 8th of the price. he even changed out all the electronics and that thing is just a beast. so i think im finally going to get a les paul custom...
Well I just compared my 93 Gibson gold top LP to my 91' Orville cherry burst LP. With a slight tweak of the amp, they should the same. Oh, I forgot to mention the Orville feels better in my hands, they both have the slim 60's neck. I am a lefty. Also, read somewhere the Orville by Gibson (on the headstock) was a better made the the LP with only Orville on it?
I got my custom shop Gibson Les Paul Custom for $1350 (used, great condition). Lucky for me I lived in a terrible country where no one had a clue what Gibson was (Very uneducated people, musically). So no one was paying the asking price $2500 for a Gibson Custom.. everyone was like whaaa? 2k for a guitar? ... I acted like one of them so he had no choice but to lower the price, it was my dream guitar and I was 17. Best purchase lol.
I strongly believe any perceived improvement in sound the Gibson has is due to the pickups. There is a reason so many Japanese guitars use American pickups like Duncans and Dimarzio in their guitars. The Orville by Gibson versions had Gibson USA pickups and nitro finishes and would be a more apples to apples comparison.
The Japanese made guitars- as good as they are- almost always have electronics that leave something to be desired-except for the high end models,so I don't feel stock comparisons are totally fair to the Orville.However,upgrade the pot's and cap's,switch,jack and maybe pickups and they become a different animal.I say that from experience.I would really like to see this comparison done again but with the Orville with upgraded electronics-at least pot's and cap's and U.S.made pickups.
For the price I think it's different the cost of life of the manufacturers in japan and in the united states ....I think should be different,but let you correcting me,maybe I'm wrong....
I prefer Japanese set neck single cutaways over MODERN USA, (pre 75 USA are a different story though). A 2014 Navigator is sooo nice. Due to Environmental regs, certain finishes can't be used in USA, and will eventually limit their use in Japan.
Just to add, I'm about to buy this model orville, I have an '87 gibson custom and it sounds more like the orville than the new gibson, it's all stock so it should be noted the pickups mellow a bit with time, say 25 years lol, new they just sound too raspy to my ears
I'm definitely an Orville fan . Got mine for $450 (it's definitely road worn) dropped some Seymour Duncan's in it and it sounds a million dollars. Just as good as any Gibson I've played at a fraction of the cost.
No gear snob here, but have to say the Gibby has that certain growl! Orville is not bad tough. I wonder if a slight turn of the tone-pots will even out the difference...
They both sound good. But there is a bit more warmth and tightness to the Gibson. If you are not overly concerned about the name on the headstock a quick rewire (possibly replace wiring harness and pots) and a pair of Burstbuckers would likely get you 90% there. I have an 80's era Epiphone with Probuckers (Epiphone version of Burstbuckers) and can't put the thing down. Besides, no one cares about the headstock once you are playing and having a good time. The one thing that this video does not do is describe how both guitars feel and whether there is a big difference in that category. At the end of the day you just have to be happy with sound and feel. If it makes you want to play guitar and it inspires you, then the branding should not matter. I also have a Yamaha Pacifica Tele that sounds and feels like a much more expensive guitar. To be fair, I did replace the pickups with Duncan vintage noiseless, and installed a four way switch for the series/parallel thing, but it always has the die hard Fender guys asking a lot of questions after gigs.
Взял себе решку Black Beauty 57 Orville by Gibson с накладкой эбони, а мой друг взял такой же белый Orville by Gibson как на этом видео, так что было с чем сравнить. Хочу сказать что моя звучит точь в точь так же как Gibson на этом видео, вся фишка в том что на белой гитаре стоят звучки PATENT NUMBER, они что-то навроде Dirty Fingers, кстати говоря, они очень редкие и на ebay они стоят около700$, а на Black Beauty - классические PAF 57. Плюс еще у Black Beauty корпус из красного дерева а у белой - клён. Краснуха в сочетании с накладкой из черного дерева и PAF 57 делает звук более прозрачным чем клён палисандр и PAT. У белой сигнал сильнее а звук чуть глуше и жирнее чем у Orville by Gibson Black Beauty, то есть при одинаковых настройках она звучит более драйвово, но это кому что больше по вкусу. Драйв можно и добавить )) Оба инструмента - гитары экстра класс!!! Так что всем рекомендую. Именно Orville by Gibson по звуку ничем не отличается от своего американского собрата. А у Tokai, Yamaha и т д отличия есть.
if you found orville for 500$ let me know.... the prices are from 1000 up and the guitars were made at the gibson lvl for Japan market... same manufacturers, electronics, quality... those are amazing and great guitars...
Another thing to consider is Orville made their Les Pauls after the originals,like the 54 custom,just like this one could be replicated after.That means its all mohagany.The 2008 Gibson,unless its a 54 re-issue,would have a Maple top. Thats a huge difference to compare the sound.That could be why IMO,the Gibson sounds brighter with more sustain.
Thecoachco Wrong. There are many threads with refinishing orvilles grecos and the such and there were maple tops underneath, probably 3-4 pieces? But maple. And if they were replicate that old gibsons, orville customs would have ebony boards. The only orvilles with ebony boards were the lpc 75 eb which were, well, customs with (eb) ebony fretboards, still no nitro and no fret binding. Orville by gibson however were another story finish wise and had ebony, fret binding and nitro. All orvilles had long tennons (transitional or not). Great guitars.
That Gibson is a beast.. really defending the title against all clones. Sadly my budget goes to Orville or Aria Pro, Greco, etc only :( Just have to improve my playing to compensate! ;)
they all have solid maple tops.. The "by Gibson" model Orvilles were the higher end models than this one. Which means they had American pickups and electronics as well as nitro finishes instead of the poly on the standard orvilles. Higher still were the "reissue" ObG's. Which had the fret board binding nibs as well.
Was it just me or did the orville sound a bit more like he was using a Fuzz Pedal when playing Black Dog by Zeppelin? Both guitars sound amazing btw and great playing man! 🤙
In this video, the Orville clearly sounded better...clearer, warmer, less tinny. The Les Paul had slightly better sustain but I much prefer the tone of the Orville.
+chief wiggums "To my ears, the Orville pickups sounded slightly muddy and they lacked distinction." That's rock and roll!!! My amps go to 11, so it doesn't matter.
The only difference between just "Orville" and "Orville by Gibson" is, that the ObG had USA-made Pickups, during the "normal" Orvilles had Japan-made ones. So three is no real difference between Orville and O. by Gibson except the PUs and the usaual differences between diffent models. In this comparison I would prefer the Orville more.
One cuestion, One the back and frontside of my Orville LPC 85 I see on the right and left a line...you can see this only with the reflection of the light.......so i think. That my Orville was made with 3 pieces of food.. Can you see the same on your Orville?
Orville output is lower and that is the only difference for me.I had Japan Les Paul HB from 70s and it was a great guitar.Now I have Japan LP Gold Top also from 70s, Antoria for GB market but in Europe it is Ibanez,great guitar too.Best regards to everybody.
Orville is bang for the bucks. Pickup swise the Orville PAFs are clearing better with a rounder tone and I prefer them. But anyway I never liked the 498T.
I'd say to make it a fair fight(even though I thought the Orville won) take a Gibson Custom from the same year then let people hear. It's crazy but the Orville's were built and sounded better than the Gibs of the same era. I loved Orv's warmth over that rachety Gibs squealing.
I own 2 USA Gibs btw. I own a 89 Studio and a early 80's Custom with Floydd Rose Tremy. I play my Epiphone Es339 with Mini Filtertrons more than all of my guitars even my MIA Strats and my Fav of all Mx Tele..
gibson sound fatter.. but the orville tested is not the high end series.. you should compare the one with Orville ' by Gibson ' stated at the headstock series.. both Orville are totally different quality..
Gibson has more bite and attitude, but change the pickups and it might be hard to split them. Would Gibson want to make a guitar in japan to outdo them?
Normally I prefer MIJ guitars but in this case the Gibby wins by a country mile in my opinion, Much greater warmth, depth and growl. No comparison really. Orville still good though.
I sold my $3k Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus after buying a $900 plain Orville Standard off Ebay. I found out from my Luthier that the Gibson was hollowed out, and not even solid mahogany, but the Orville is made with higher quality SOLID mahogany & solid Maple cap and weighed about the same at 8.5 Lbs!!. The Orville overall is a better made guitar, and unplugged / No amplifer had a much louder tone & resonance than the Gibby, and the Orville has lower action. After lengthy comparison, I prefer the Japanese PAF's in the Orville better especially for clean tones. Trying to save for another Orville on Ebay right now b4 some else snags it! I could care less about the Brand, and am mad I paid $3k for routed out wood junk because of a Brand name. I am buying more Jap guitars at these prices
i like how everyone thinks there too cool for gibson and will hate just to hate sometimes with nothing valid to back it up but something they might of heard about in the 80s
always been wandering do the Orville guitars have full solid carved maple tops? some ppl say it is only ones labeled "Orville by Gibson" has the carved maples and the "Orville" once don't.... Could anyone please confirm?!
My first thought is that it sounds like the Gibson has got hotter (cheramic) pickups, while the Orville probably has more low-output pickups (like the '50s and '60s Customs had) so naturally the Gibson has got a more high-end sizzle and more gain, while the Orville has got a more rounded vintage like tone. With the same pickups thrown in they would probably sound just about the same.
I have a 1991 Orville by Gibson LPC in white that's faded to that beautiful vintage off-white/cream colour, and a new Les Paul Studio 60's Tribute Gold-Top, and find myself playing the OBG 80% of the time. It has the standard Gibson USA neck pickup as fitted at the factory, and a Seymour Duncan JB in the bridge position, and it absolutely rocks!! The sound is incredible, as is the playability.
Thinking of getting an Orville Les Paul!
me too bro i think they sound awesome and for literally a fraction of the price
I've played a Les paul from that Japanese factory, it sounded and felt more like a les paul than the Gibson I played, through a cheap Marshall valvestate I got the exact Mick Ronson sound
I recommend it
Definitely getting one with tax money
I got a 1995 Orville Black beauty and it's utterly awesome! Go ahead man!
Il take the Orville and put new pups and save $3000
and when you go to sell it take the $1000 you get and be happy.
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 or Just keep It forever and make it trully yours
@@mrarturmeireles Right. Never wanted to buy a guitar with thoughts of selling it. Orvilles hold their value anyway.
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Dont forget that Orville is original Gibson, but Japanese made. And if you known quality of japan manufactures higher as yankees
глеб жигалов my orville is made in usa
Orville by gibson is gibson USA parts, orville regular has cheaper parts
глеб жигалов says:
"And if you known quality of japan manufactures higher as yankees.."
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I'd trust Japanese made quality more than US made on just about everything.
I've been disappointed by US brand and US made products too many times.
And I have had dream of owning one of those products made in US.
That includes Fender Stratocaster(I bought one in 1980s). Yep, it was made in US.
It was stolen later but I didn't miss it.
I only wished I made some money selling it.
Ace Frehley says:
"allgoo19 do I need to get you some tissues?"
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For what?
Feeling nostalgic about fictional Fender made in US quality?
Have you ever had one of those(Fender or Gibson)?
I've been far more impressed by PRS or Parker(and Carvin) and any Japanese brands than those two.
The best US made guitars are as good as anything. The trouble seems to be that in between the best ones, there's always a couple to avoid. We are better at innovating in the States, and less good at producing multiples economically. Unfortunately, the innovation with Fender and Gibson guitars occurred about 60-65 years ago, and most of the stuff that both have come up since then has been "unspecial".
I just got an Orville as a spare for my own USA Les Paul Custom, it's a worthy backup, I love it.
Even though the sound is probably the biggest factor, one thing that is hard to determine from these videos is how they feel, especially since we all have different preferences with regards to neck profile.
I know this is going into cork sniffer territory, but would a modern Gibson LP Custom have a long tenon? I believe the Orvilles do, and that is a major factor for any set-neck instrument. In that vein, would it be fair to say that if we spent another 300 quid on upgrading the pickups and electronics in the Orville, (because it does sound a little quieter, if a little more articulate) would they be on par with one another?
Because if that is the case, I'd rather spend 800 in total vs 2500, only because I ain't rich enough to be dropping 2.5Gs.
Errik Wong says:
"one thing that is hard to determine from these videos is how they feel,...."
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I once had a chance to try on a real Gibson Les Paul belongs to a working musician(not famous).
I'm not a big Gibson fan, so I just walk by the glass case when I see it in the store.
I was surprised to see the feel of cheapness, I had to wonder if this was really a Gibson I've heard so much about.
I don't try out expensive guitar in the store very often but I once tried a Parker and play around it. It's light weight feels like a paper but was built everything very solid.
If the price is not an issue, I'd pick Parker over Les Paul any day.
I've had the chance to try out a Parker Nite Fly. Totally different vibe to a Les Paul, and more in line with super strats with the ultra skinny neck and H-H pickup configuration.
Errik Wong says:
"I've had the chance to try out a Parker Nite Fly. Totally different vibe to a Les Paul, .."
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My observation about those guitars were about how they were put together and how they were finished.
I felt the Gibson(Les Paul) was ready to come apart just by look at it.
It felt like it makes some chagging noise from parts rubbing against each others just by being picked up and it wasn't from the strings.
And that lousy painting...
Maybe each unit are built differently.
Yeah I get what you mean. I've yet to try out a 2017 model, but to be fair I did try out a 2015 Standard and it felt good. Have tried several 2016 models but they did not give me the same solid vibe as maybe a pre-2013 model.
The guitar (Gibson Les Paul) I held was much older.
It was in 1990s, and the guitar looked quite old even back then.
I'm guessing it was built around 1970s, possibly older.
One of those guitars that people would spend mega bucks as a vintage.
Remember that it belonged to a working musician. He must have pretty good knowledge of vintage and he looked for that kind of guitar.
Any tone difference between these two can be addressed by changing the pickups on either guitar, or even (and obviously most easily) by simply messing with your amp settings. The real question centers on build quality, feel and playability. In my experience, high-end Japanese guitars equal anything built in the US.
+HellBent do NOT do this, my Orville has beautiful vintage sounding pickups
+Alex66 they sound good but he's saying if you want to make it sound like the gibson all you have to do is put the same pups in. different sounds
Brian O'Malley but the original orville sound more like the 59 Gibson humbuckers than the modern Gibson ones, seems like Gibson have gone for more power and sacrificed tone. I did this to one of my grecos, put in modern bust buckers, when I compere them to my vintage orville and my Greco egf 1200 there not as close to the classic 59 sound
My son and I tried an Orville and it felt better than a lot of Gibsons we've tried, my son does however have a 1979 Greco Standard all stock and that thing is a Gibson killer as well as our late 80's Greco SG ee just got, that one has Gepetto Camelot pick ups in it and they are a PAF style so it just makes that guitar roar when it's plugged into our Marshall JCM 2000 DSL100 and JCM 900 or my sons Vox AC 30
I did actually buy an Orville even with the stock pickups I have not played a guitar this nice in a while.yes Ill be upgrading the electronics but Im still way ahead of the game plus mine is 21 years old.I'll still be cheaper than a studio ,
It seems the bass sound of Orville clearer than the Gibson :D Like both of them
Just back a guitar shop. Played about 10 guitars including Gibson Custom shop Les Paul Special, PRS McCarty 594 Singlecut, 80's Tokai SG. The best guitar I played by some distance was an Orville Custom Les Paul. It has lots of wear, nicks, scratches, dinks. But it was the most fun and had by far the best feel of any of them.
Just bought a 1988 Orville by Gibson LP Custom. Amazing!
I hope you know I literally went through my entire iTunes library trying figure out where I have heard that opening song before... Super brain fart that it was hurting...
It's W.A.S.P.'s Wild Child if anyone else cares lol
The pick-ups are way brighter with more definition on the Gibson
I drive for a living. I listen to videos. I can't watch them. I have heard numerous guitar vs guitar videos. Frankly... I couldn't tell the difference just by listening. :)
I have a Orville and I put Gibson pickups in....believe me they sound the same , no difference 🤘
Orville sounds better to me. Everyone changes out the pickups on them, they're actually really good.
no,they arent unless they have the gibson pickups
I've been toying with the idea of investing in an Orville/Epiphone (with the moustache shaped headstock) for a while now. There's the obvious difference in price and sound, but I don't mind the differences in tone too much TBH. They'll also be kinder on my hip pocket.
only thing I can tell is that the Orville PUPs just dont cut as much and are not as clear
As a massive Orville fan, I may be a bit biased.
However, to my ears, the Gibson has a boomy low end, where as the Orville sounds a bit more focused.
The Orville also has a much more pleasing midrange and treble to me. The Gibson doesn't sound bad at all, but the nuances in the tone make me lean towards Orville. It has more of what I like to hear in a guitar.
Just got my own preloved 57 Goldie Orville.. what a beauty..
awesome to hear someone play starnglehold!
Tone is in the Fingers.The greats can get thier sound outta ANY Guitar!!!
Truth is, the crowd wouldn’t know the difference at a gig. I have an 87 Gibson Les Paul Standard and 91 OBG LP Custom. Slightly prefer the standard but my advice is if you can afford a USA Gibson , its a safer bet as it will hold its value and be much easier to sell (should you wish to).
Nothing wrong with an Orville Gibson, I almost bought one years ago but went the standard Gibson route instead, I'd still wouldn't mind having one, they are damn fine guitars and usually a little cheaper, all they really need is a pup change and you're good to go.
The difference is the rosewood board
I changed mine to ebony and rebined it as per gibson original, I have both a USA 1975 and a 95 Orville
Orville like a older one has more aliquot notes and sound is more warm definitely
Both good guitars. The Gibson in this case has an edge in clarity and brightness.
More brightness always sounds better in a comparison, but might be fatiguing sometimes (for example, a thin top taylor would always sound better than a Martin in comparison at a store, but the Martin sound is nicer to listen to every day. Unfortunately, the Martin guitar will sound weak when you play one side by side).
That's why I prefer Guilds.
yeah... it feels just the same when i heard it through the speakers, but when i used the earphone.. the gibson gives more bold tone, and clear for each string... but the orville sounds almost good. especially when you have low-budget... it is really good
Great comparsion, what are YOUR thoughts about the 2 guitars? I know the orvilles pickups have very low output, very p.a.f, but with ceramic magnets wich makes them sound very harsh. I think thats make up for most of the difference in tone. Put the same pickups in both guitars and have same tipe of wiring (50´s or modern) and they will sound almost identical plugged in an amp.
I'm in Vietnam. Japanese Les Paul's come through all the time for about $250 - $350. Burny, Greco, Orville, etc. Going to play an Orville this week if it's still in the shop. White custom like in the vid, except some crappy buckers dropped in it. We'll see.
Totally agree. I have an early 80s Burny Super Grade which I've upgraded. Now it was a great guitar stock but since the upgrades it is simply outstanding. I love everything about that guitar, it's just perfect now.
orville over gibson any day. Got an orville (1900 I think) swapped out the pick ups for duncan jb in bridge & jazz in neck noticed an immediate difference in the volume (duncans louder). The jb is awesome clean or fully distorted & the jazz is so warm it's beautiful clean & great for soloing dirty. gibson is just over priced & not as well made in my opinion.
doesn't matter, it's whatever you prefer, got a 1976 lotus paul plywood with a bolt on neck mij and it sounds good to me, 190 bucks, makes it sound even better!
funny, I seen videos with greco /gibson comparsion where the Greco soundet like this GIbson and the Gibson as this Orville, same comments about the sound from Gibson lovers..the experience is in the eyes ;D
Here the Gibson sounds shrill with more piercing highs and the Orville more vintage mellow..just my 2c
The decision about what's liked or not on these videos is all in the amp mix and how it works with the pickups in each guitar. it's hard to compare much. If either of these is straight and the neck profile and weight are to your liking, there's little more to it than that, anyway - having the pickups that you like. And faffing with the nut and tuners to get it to be stable.
Thinking about getting an Orville. That way I won’t feel so bad when I slap EMG’s on it 🤘🏻
And a Floyd Rose! Yolo!
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You read my mind 🤘🏻
Actually got a Gibson Les Paul Custom. Slapped EMG’s in it anyways 😂. Bought another Gibson since my last post too. I left the burstbucker pros in that one. They’re pretty good. 👊🏻 Still have t put a Floyd on either one yet though.
Orville has more clarity and sustain. Sounds better to me.
They both sound great!
one of the guys at the studio i work at has an orvilled 59 reissue and that thing is sooo sick. from what i understand its basically the same thing as a gibson custom shop for an 8th of the price. he even changed out all the electronics and that thing is just a beast. so i think im finally going to get a les paul custom...
Well I just compared my 93 Gibson gold top LP to my 91' Orville cherry burst LP. With a slight tweak of the amp, they should the same. Oh, I forgot to mention the Orville feels better in my hands, they both have the slim 60's neck. I am a lefty. Also, read somewhere the Orville by Gibson (on the headstock) was a better made the the LP with only Orville on it?
I got my custom shop Gibson Les Paul Custom for $1350 (used, great condition). Lucky for me I lived in a terrible country where no one had a clue what Gibson was (Very uneducated people, musically). So no one was paying the asking price $2500 for a Gibson Custom.. everyone was like whaaa? 2k for a guitar? ... I acted like one of them so he had no choice but to lower the price, it was my dream guitar and I was 17. Best purchase lol.
Tones are definitely different. If you still have both of these, it would be interesting to throw an Epi into the comparison.
both sound pretty much the same which was great only think i noticed on 1 riff was the gibson might had tad more sustain
there's one Orville in the second hand market, produced 1988. i'm thinking of getting it. do you recommand?
I strongly believe any perceived improvement in sound the Gibson has is due to the pickups. There is a reason so many Japanese guitars use American pickups like Duncans and Dimarzio in their guitars. The Orville by Gibson versions had Gibson USA pickups and nitro finishes and would be a more apples to apples comparison.
I have an Orville and just gave it Gibson pickups. Perfect.
I honestly like the Orville better please remember its Gibson licensed so not sure if thats just older gibson pups n pots or completely different
The orville is slightly brighter sounding but the Gibson has the balls..deep and beautiful low end.. made to rock hard.!
The Japanese made guitars- as good as they are- almost always have electronics that leave something to be desired-except for the high end models,so I don't feel stock comparisons are totally fair to the Orville.However,upgrade the pot's and cap's,switch,jack and maybe pickups and they become a different animal.I say that from experience.I would really like to see this comparison done again but with the Orville with upgraded electronics-at least pot's and cap's and U.S.made pickups.
For the price I think it's different the cost of life of the manufacturers in japan and in the united states ....I think should be different,but let you correcting me,maybe I'm wrong....
I prefer Japanese set neck single cutaways over MODERN USA, (pre 75 USA are a different story though). A 2014 Navigator is sooo nice. Due to Environmental regs, certain finishes can't be used in USA, and will eventually limit their use in Japan.
Just to add, I'm about to buy this model orville, I have an '87 gibson custom and it sounds more like the orville than the new gibson, it's all stock so it should be noted the pickups mellow a bit with time, say 25 years lol, new they just sound too raspy to my ears
Hi, my vote is with the Orville (not that it matters). Its just a little less hot and smoother to my ears.
I'm definitely an Orville fan . Got mine for $450 (it's definitely road worn) dropped some Seymour Duncan's in it and it sounds a million dollars. Just as good as any Gibson I've played at a fraction of the cost.
No gear snob here, but have to say the Gibby has that certain growl! Orville is not bad tough. I wonder if a slight turn of the tone-pots will even out the difference...
They both sound good. But there is a bit more warmth and tightness to the Gibson. If you are not overly concerned about the name on the headstock a quick rewire (possibly replace wiring harness and pots) and a pair of Burstbuckers would likely get you 90% there. I have an 80's era Epiphone with Probuckers (Epiphone version of Burstbuckers) and can't put the thing down. Besides, no one cares about the headstock once you are playing and having a good time.
The one thing that this video does not do is describe how both guitars feel and whether there is a big difference in that category. At the end of the day you just have to be happy with sound and feel. If it makes you want to play guitar and it inspires you, then the branding should not matter. I also have a Yamaha Pacifica Tele that sounds and feels like a much more expensive guitar. To be fair, I did replace the pickups with Duncan vintage noiseless, and installed a four way switch for the series/parallel thing, but it always has the die hard Fender guys asking a lot of questions after gigs.
Взял себе решку Black Beauty 57 Orville by Gibson с накладкой эбони, а мой друг взял такой же белый Orville by Gibson как на этом видео, так что было с чем сравнить. Хочу сказать что моя звучит точь в точь так же как Gibson на этом видео, вся фишка в том что на белой гитаре стоят звучки PATENT NUMBER, они что-то навроде Dirty Fingers, кстати говоря, они очень редкие и на ebay они стоят около700$, а на Black Beauty - классические PAF 57. Плюс еще у Black Beauty корпус из красного дерева а у белой - клён. Краснуха в сочетании с накладкой из черного дерева и PAF 57 делает звук более прозрачным чем клён палисандр и PAT. У белой сигнал сильнее а звук чуть глуше и жирнее чем у Orville by Gibson Black Beauty, то есть при одинаковых настройках она звучит более драйвово, но это кому что больше по вкусу. Драйв можно и добавить )) Оба инструмента - гитары экстра класс!!! Так что всем рекомендую. Именно Orville by Gibson по звуку ничем не отличается от своего американского собрата. А у Tokai, Yamaha и т д отличия есть.
if you found orville for 500$ let me know.... the prices are from 1000 up and the guitars were made at the gibson lvl for Japan market... same manufacturers, electronics, quality... those are amazing and great guitars...
theres some for a little over $500 but they are k series.... got one this week, OBG BB , $1100. some are over $2000 ...
liking the Orville tone more. fuller and much warmer
both great guitars, the orvilles are actuall gibsons that where made for the japanese market
Another thing to consider is Orville made their Les Pauls after the originals,like the 54 custom,just like this one could be replicated after.That means its all mohagany.The 2008 Gibson,unless its a 54 re-issue,would have a Maple top. Thats a huge difference to compare the sound.That could be why IMO,the Gibson sounds brighter with more sustain.
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Wrong.
There are many threads with refinishing orvilles grecos and the such and there were maple tops underneath, probably 3-4 pieces? But maple. And if they were replicate that old gibsons, orville customs would have ebony boards.
The only orvilles with ebony boards were the lpc 75 eb which were, well, customs with (eb) ebony fretboards, still no nitro and no fret binding.
Orville by gibson however were another story finish wise and had ebony, fret binding and nitro.
All orvilles had long tennons (transitional or not).
Great guitars.
Interesting comparison. Both sound very nice indeed!
That Gibson is a beast.. really defending the title against all clones. Sadly my budget goes to Orville or Aria Pro, Greco, etc only :( Just have to improve my playing to compensate! ;)
Orvile is not a clone, is a brand of Gibson in Japan
You want something closer to the historic gibby's get a edwards les paul, great friggin guitars
The Orville sounds a bit brighter since the Gibson's pot value isn't a full 500k.the Gibson is definitely a bit darker to my ear.
they all have solid maple tops..
The "by Gibson" model Orvilles were the higher end models than this one. Which means they had American pickups and electronics as well as nitro finishes instead of the poly on the standard orvilles.
Higher still were the "reissue" ObG's. Which had the fret board binding nibs as well.
both sound great
The orville pickups sounds brighter to me and less hot. It would be great to put them agaist each other in a live band situation.
Was it just me or did the orville sound a bit more like he was using a Fuzz Pedal when playing Black Dog by Zeppelin? Both guitars sound amazing btw and great playing man! 🤙
they were actually came from the same company, Gibson, which Orville is another first name for founder, Orville Gibson.
In this video, the Orville clearly sounded better...clearer, warmer, less tinny. The Les Paul had slightly better sustain but I much prefer the tone of the Orville.
+chief wiggums "To my ears, the Orville pickups sounded slightly muddy and they lacked distinction."
That's rock and roll!!! My amps go to 11, so it doesn't matter.
@chief wiggums Drag, but thanks. I was wondering about the neck profiles, now I know...
There is nothing that a pick up change won't take care of.
Ricky Bobby except for the shitty intonation, questionable fretwork, and lack of playability relative to the Gibson. Yep it’s just a pickup change....
Yeah, the Gibson definitely needs new pickups! 😃
The only difference between just "Orville" and "Orville by Gibson" is, that the ObG had USA-made Pickups, during the "normal" Orvilles had Japan-made ones. So three is no real difference between Orville and O. by Gibson except the PUs and the usaual differences between diffent models. In this comparison I would prefer the Orville more.
It isn't only sound (Gibson sound better a lot), is the feeling, the playing, the crafts, the leyend, etc.
Gibson won this round with the better pickups. But I wonder what pickups were used on the "Orville by Gibson" models
what were ur settings? both very nice. the orville sounded a tad thinner.
One cuestion,
One the back and frontside of my Orville LPC 85 I see on the right and left a line...you can see this only with the reflection of the light.......so i think.
That my Orville was made with 3 pieces of food..
Can you see the same on your Orville?
The Gibson to me sounds like its a little brighter with a touch more sustain
Orville output is lower and that is the only difference for me.I had Japan Les Paul HB from 70s and it was a great guitar.Now I have Japan LP Gold Top also from 70s, Antoria for GB market but in Europe it is Ibanez,great guitar too.Best regards to everybody.
Orville is bang for the bucks. Pickup swise the Orville PAFs are clearing better with a rounder tone and I prefer them. But anyway I never liked the 498T.
I'd say to make it a fair fight(even though I thought the Orville won) take a Gibson Custom from the same year then let people hear. It's crazy but the Orville's were built and sounded better than the Gibs of the same era. I loved Orv's warmth over that rachety Gibs squealing.
I own 2 USA Gibs btw. I own a 89 Studio and a early 80's Custom with Floydd Rose Tremy. I play my Epiphone Es339 with Mini Filtertrons more than all of my guitars even my MIA Strats and my Fav of all Mx Tele..
The only thing different here is the price.Orville. is licensed by Gibson in Japan.. If you can find one and save 3000 bucks
Orville wins in this case, considering the quality control of Gibson and other guitar manufacturing companies these days...
Orville has that vintage tone
gibson sound fatter.. but the orville tested is not the high end series.. you should compare the one with Orville ' by Gibson ' stated at the headstock series.. both Orville are totally different quality..
Actually not so much different, ObG has Gibson pickups and nitro lacquer and that's it...
I need an Orville now
Put some work into the Orville and drop some better pickups and electronics. Then it will put up more of a fight.
Orville sounds a little cleaner / lower gain? Pickups I guess
Orville sounds more li'll bit dry than Gibson. And how much for an Orville PL custom? My Gibson LP custom cost me 4 grand.
The orville sounds verg good. Really nice guitar! But the gibson lpc stll remains gibson lpc. It It has so much power! For real rocking!
Gibson has more bite and attitude, but change the pickups and it might be hard to split them. Would Gibson want to make a guitar in japan to outdo them?
Normally I prefer MIJ guitars but in this case the Gibby wins by a country mile in my opinion, Much greater warmth, depth and growl. No comparison really. Orville still good though.
I think I prefer the Orville’s sound
I sold my $3k Gibson Les Paul Standard Plus after buying a $900 plain Orville Standard off Ebay.
I found out from my Luthier that the Gibson was hollowed out, and not even solid mahogany, but the Orville is made with higher quality SOLID mahogany & solid Maple cap and weighed about the same at 8.5 Lbs!!. The Orville overall is a better made guitar, and unplugged / No amplifer had a much louder tone & resonance than the Gibby, and the Orville has lower action.
After lengthy comparison, I prefer the Japanese PAF's in the Orville better especially for clean tones. Trying to save for another Orville on Ebay right now b4 some else snags it! I could care less about the Brand, and am mad I paid $3k for routed out wood junk because of a Brand name. I am buying more Jap guitars at these prices
Gibson les pauls haven't been solid for a long time now, they have been lathing out sections of the body to reduce weight for a long time.
They more out put the Orville
Now explain materials wood type of pickups type of neck tunners and price and were to buy
i like how everyone thinks there too cool for gibson and will hate just to hate sometimes with nothing valid to back it up but something they might of heard about in the 80s
always been wandering do the Orville guitars have full solid carved maple tops? some ppl say it is only ones labeled "Orville by Gibson" has the carved maples and the "Orville" once don't.... Could anyone please confirm?!
I like the sound of the Gibson more, and I was rooting for the Orville.