For decades, when any French director has decided to go for it, they GO for it. In the 2000s, French films got gnarly. From Irreversible to Martyrs, horror or art, they were and are not playing around.
I thought it was interesting that it was like a fairytale where she makes a pact with a witch, except the “witch” is basically one of those gray market labs that sells imitation Ozempic to anorexics online. It feels almost comedic that talking to their customer support is like talking to a thousand year old demon. She’s listening to hold music and then the representative is like “You opened the puzzle box. We came”
I really like seeing the sweeter side to Jake in these recent reviews, and Nadia is literally glowing. Y’all look so happy 😊 Great analysis from both of you on this one!
Saw this in the theater with one other person sitting several rows down. Knew nothing about it. Thought I knew where it was going, it went there, thought I knew how it was going to end, sort of went there, then it went so beyond where I could have imagined it going, and I loved it.
Coralie Fargeat is a fearless filmmaker! She looks at directors who play with subtlety and restraint and laughs in their faces. Subtlety? What’s that? No, her style is all about overexposure and throwing the message right in your face. It's not about fearing the audience won't get it; it's about making them squirm. Filmmakers who play it safe with soft realism have no guts! This film is raw, repulsive, and unforgettable. Watch it-yesterday.
I should mention, the scene where older Demi Moore is prepping the chicken in the kitchen was a very accurate portrayal of how my grandfather's wife would handle food when we visited, and for me was personally horrifying.
Some good questions on the subjects involved. Glad you enjoyed. It is gonna be one of my favs this year too.. maybe top 3. Reminded me of Kubrick in some scenes I.e set design plus all the other little film references I loved too. Hope more peeps will watch it! I’d give it 9 as well!
Me and a friend both went to see this wanting to enjoy it a ton and we got out of theater being quite conflicted on it. For me, the film looks amazing and has great performances but i just personally got nothing out of the content. The characters felt pretty one-note and the symbolism is so on the nose and heavy handed. And when the film is 2 hours long, that can wear on you very quickly. I'm glad many are loving this and i really wanted to as well but i ended up disappointed with what i got.
I would love for you guys to review the Wild Robot! I saw it with no expectations, and found it to be visually beautiful but very bland and empty in its story. I expected it would be seen as a basic kids movie and fail to receive much hype from adults, only to discover that everyone else is loving it and it seems like the story really touched a lot of people. I’m not sure if I missed something, or if it is somehow just speaking to others in a way that doesn’t do it for me. But I’d love to hear how you two react to it.
@@womancarryingman It’s less gross 😅 If you survived The Substance (pregnant on top of that!), you’ve definitely got Titane. It’s nowhere near as gross and horrendous. However, it’s more nuanced, so IMO, if people aren’t able to digest the metaphors, symbolism, themes, etc. then the movie is definitely meaningless to you as a viewer. Because the meaty part isn’t in the obvious, but behind it.
The very end of movie is hommage cascade extravaganza of : Carpenter's Thing ( & Carrie ) , Lynch's Elephant Man & Freaked ( 1993) by Alex Winter... Kids, watch Freaked , it's free on UA-cam , thank me later...👍😎
Good review. This is definitely a fascinating film. I agree that the over-the-top aspect works. What makes it work is it shows you things visually in a visceral way instead of preaching to its audience, and also, I think, because it contains quite a lot of humor. The film is dark and horrific but it uses comedy to blunt the impact of the extreme gore. I think when it comes to the concepts, at first I thought it was a problem that the shared consciousness aspect of the film didn't work, and I still don't think it does in literal terms, but this isn't a science fiction film. It's a satirical film which presents a strange alternative reality that is almost closer to a fairy tale where scientific explanation is not important. The special effects are incredibly convincing for the most part. The only criticism I had was that it was somewhat derivative of other films. A morality tale is a good way to describe it, and I think Fargeat, the director, said that the idea of the film came from her experience with cosmetic procedures and the dangers around addictions that form out of trying to retain beauty at all costs. So it's not just the usual cliches about beauty being overvalued. I think that's part of it, but it has more of a personal, psychological dimension like you guys mention. It's also good to see Qauid, a very talented actor, and Demi Moore who haven't been in the limelight in recent years. Quaid I think had drug problems, and his potential as an actor was never fully realized. But both give good performances in this.
My issue is that the movie wasted too much on being grotesque than being meaningful, I'm pretty sure people will forget this movie in a few months because it's not a really good satirical interesting movie, it was fun and I enjoyed it but I will not remember that movie for its message, it was pretty weak.
It's one of the rare films where I actually didn't feel like the runtime was justified because I could so clearly see all the sequences that were way too drawn out and undermined themselves with the repetition, and I thought "that film needed an editor" and found out afterwards that it had THREE editors, one of whom was the director herself 😂 So I guess that staple criticism should be amended to "this film needed ONE editor, someone who ISN'T the director". I don't think Demi Moore has any standout moments worthy of a Best Actress nomination much less a win (no the scene where she prepares for a date isn't good enough) and the whole thing just made me wish I'd watched something like Carrie instead. Also, God, the flashbacks were the most obnoxious I've seen in years (Dennis Quaid's thought bubble face on the recipe book 🤢). It got to the point where I was predicting which scenes or which audio from past scenes they'd replay (everything in its right place, too bad her b00bs aren't in the middle of her face, etc) and seeing how many I'd get right. I had to stop to cover my ears because of how obnoxiously loud the ending sequence got. Shame that Fargeat got nominated over someone like Robert Eggers, but this is one of the worst Oscar years ever anyway so 🤷♂️
Lovely to hear that you're both vegan!! The shrimp scene was disgusting, as was the chicken stuffing scene, but I think the movie really highlighted the objectification of both women and animals by having both images parallel to each other like that, very interesting
I liked it. Body horror kind of scares me so I had canceled my ticket. But I watched it yesterday, and it wasn’t as bad in the body horror as I thought. Like I’ll never watch Tusk.
It's impressive that nobody got that the movie is not about beauty standards (just a little). It's about insecurity and the dangers of having beauty as the only meaning of your life. Like, nobody found Elizabeth ugly, is just that her idiot director made a cold commercial decision. She would have a pretty good life if she just found a hobby, dated that guy and kept being sue half the time, but she was too insecure to find beauty in herself, and didn't found any value apart from being pretty. At no part, does the movie shows society doing anything. Like the rating being low because of elizabeth being ugly or something. But you know....society bad.
People treat Elizabeth badly multiple times in the movie, and the movie makes it very clear that the exact same people treat younger more attractive women better. They also included a man who is going through the exact same thing. This movie is very blatantly saying that older people are ignored, partly for being unattractive. Not sure how anyone could think this movie isn’t about beauty standards, or that Elizabeth should have dated that weird fan. I felt really, really bad for him, but she never should have called him at all. I’m not saying the movie doesn’t imply that her biggest problem is her selfish obsession with being worshipped by strangers. I like that the movie makes it obvious that it’s not all society’s fault and her narcissism is a huge part of the problem.
@@StephanieLeighG Well, she build her whole life ONLY on her beauty, so when that sand castle fell of course she will treated differently. I don't thing people treating her rudly is a problem AT ALL. For whatever is going on in her mind in just a mild inconvinience. Quick note: it was not just a weird fan. It was a childhood (or teenagehood) friend of hers from before she was famous. That's why, for me, it was a genuine shot at a relationship.
Can't say i could get my head around the tonal whiplash. I cant say the film ever got a laugh out of me and just made me feel sad. Then the ending felt like it was from a different film.
It didn't explore much, it spend a lot of time on shiny ass rather than doing interesting critics and thoughts. I enjoyed the film for the end that at least is generous but the message of the movie is pretty damn off, not a well written movie but well directed and original. The main point was to make something shocking rather than morality, which is a bit of a shame as the subject is more important than ever. And as a french, I'm a bit tired that french directors do weird sexual movies. The Cuties movies were also by a french woman. Is it what the country of cinema can only offer...
I understand why you disregard the complaint of not making sense, but for me the fact that there was so much constantly through the whole thing that didn't make sense really kept me from getting into the movie. If it didn't have the air of taking itself seriously in the first half I could have enjoyed it for something that is intentionally absurd, but they didn't really do that until after building into the absurdity over two hours and only really let loose at the final 20 minutes or so. The acting was good, the effects were good, and there were interesting parts to the story / ideas but I was not able to click with it at all so couldn't even really view it as a comedy unfortunately. 2/10
obnoxiousness, the movie. the terrible soundtrack, the gross close ups or the cartoonishly broad low-level messaging, I can't tell you what is worse. great practical effects though.
Word of warning: Don't eat while watching this movie. I learned this the hard way.
Same. I’ve never eaten so little popcorn at a movie before lol.
Yep I realised that as soon as Dennis quaid was eating the prawns
Was eating a grilled cheese when the final version of Elizabeth showed up in the last 30 minutes… Had to pause for a moment to finish eating
Unless it’s shrimp
the girl next to me in the theatre had pizza and i thought "girl..... how are you gonna eat that"
Me, who's seen the substance, raw, and titane: man, these middle-aged french white women directors are really going thru it huh
For decades, when any French director has decided to go for it, they GO for it. In the 2000s, French films got gnarly. From Irreversible to Martyrs, horror or art, they were and are not playing around.
Is la haine actually any good, I'm gonna watch it tomorrow.@@thehousecat93
Nadia analysis on the film was very good on this one.
Good luck with the baby!
sounds like a threat lol
such a great flick - takes a definitive second fav of the year after challengers for me :-)
It’s ro ramden !
I thought it was interesting that it was like a fairytale where she makes a pact with a witch, except the “witch” is basically one of those gray market labs that sells imitation Ozempic to anorexics online. It feels almost comedic that talking to their customer support is like talking to a thousand year old demon. She’s listening to hold music and then the representative is like “You opened the puzzle box. We came”
I really like seeing the sweeter side to Jake in these recent reviews, and Nadia is literally glowing. Y’all look so happy 😊
Great analysis from both of you on this one!
Woman carrying baby carrying man carrying thing
But baby isn't carrying man, at least not yet.
So it's Woman carrying baby AND man (carrying thing)
Demi Moore still looks great for her age, despite being in her 60s. Also, I love the jab of the sleazy executive being named Harvey.
Wow i thought she was in her 50s she looks amazing for her age
@@husker4life109 She's had work done. Everyone in Hollywood has.
@@runningcommentary2125 The Substance.
My favorite movie of the year for sure.
This is simultaneously the sexiest and the least sexiest movie of the year
But have you even SEEN the churro scene in Challengers??? That shit is too charged.
@@thehousecat93The what?
@thehousecat93
Challengers absolutely is the sexiest movie of the year!
Challengers, Queer, Anora. Unfortunately/fortunately a year w lots of competition for sexiest movie.
Saw this in the theater with one other person sitting several rows down. Knew nothing about it. Thought I knew where it was going, it went there, thought I knew how it was going to end, sort of went there, then it went so beyond where I could have imagined it going, and I loved it.
Coralie Fargeat is a fearless filmmaker! She looks at directors who play with subtlety and restraint and laughs in their faces. Subtlety? What’s that? No, her style is all about overexposure and throwing the message right in your face. It's not about fearing the audience won't get it; it's about making them squirm. Filmmakers who play it safe with soft realism have no guts! This film is raw, repulsive, and unforgettable. Watch it-yesterday.
I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards.
- Garth Marenghi
Most shocking thing in this review is finding out yall are vegan
unsubbed the millisecond that was uttered! yucky!
jk
I found the food stuff pretty gross as a vegan too…
…but I bet non-vegans would find it gross too.
I should mention, the scene where older Demi Moore is prepping the chicken in the kitchen was a very accurate portrayal of how my grandfather's wife would handle food when we visited, and for me was personally horrifying.
I know how to clean prawns properly including removing the intestine and Dennis Quaid was giving me high anxiety.
This work reminded me a lot of why I loved Fly and the body horror genre in the first place
So I saw the substance this week. I thought it would be a great one to cover on Woman Carrying Man and I’m so glad y’all came to the same conclusion!
Congrats for the sponsorship Jake!
Some good questions on the subjects involved. Glad you enjoyed. It is gonna be one of my favs this year too.. maybe top 3.
Reminded me of Kubrick in some scenes I.e set design plus all the other little film references I loved too. Hope more peeps will watch it! I’d give it 9 as well!
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Love your perspectives!
This film was such a treat to watch, glad that y'all finally covered it
The way this review is going makes me want to know how you would react to Cronnenburg's The Fly.
Me and a friend both went to see this wanting to enjoy it a ton and we got out of theater being quite conflicted on it. For me, the film looks amazing and has great performances but i just personally got nothing out of the content. The characters felt pretty one-note and the symbolism is so on the nose and heavy handed. And when the film is 2 hours long, that can wear on you very quickly. I'm glad many are loving this and i really wanted to as well but i ended up disappointed with what i got.
I would love for you guys to review the Wild Robot! I saw it with no expectations, and found it to be visually beautiful but very bland and empty in its story. I expected it would be seen as a basic kids movie and fail to receive much hype from adults, only to discover that everyone else is loving it and it seems like the story really touched a lot of people. I’m not sure if I missed something, or if it is somehow just speaking to others in a way that doesn’t do it for me. But I’d love to hear how you two react to it.
Have you guys watched Titane? Another body horror film, by a different female French director, that also went THERE, Julia Ducourneau.
Jake has! I might need to wait until after delivery to watch another body horror film😅
@@womancarryingman It’s less gross 😅 If you survived The Substance (pregnant on top of that!), you’ve definitely got Titane. It’s nowhere near as gross and horrendous. However, it’s more nuanced, so IMO, if people aren’t able to digest the metaphors, symbolism, themes, etc. then the movie is definitely meaningless to you as a viewer. Because the meaty part isn’t in the obvious, but behind it.
He said "I'm not carrying..." I felt so betrayed 😭😭😭😭
3:29 this is a really profound observation.
Anyways, I loved this movie too. One of my favourite films, maybe if all time.
Great review!
I just watched The Apprentice which felt surprisingly like a body horror movie as well!
It was soooo good!! Honestly might be my movie of the year as well :)
The very end of movie is hommage cascade extravaganza of : Carpenter's Thing ( & Carrie ) , Lynch's Elephant Man & Freaked ( 1993) by Alex Winter...
Kids, watch Freaked , it's free on UA-cam , thank me later...👍😎
Good review. This is definitely a fascinating film. I agree that the over-the-top aspect works. What makes it work is it shows you things visually in a visceral way instead of preaching to its audience, and also, I think, because it contains quite a lot of humor. The film is dark and horrific but it uses comedy to blunt the impact of the extreme gore. I think when it comes to the concepts, at first I thought it was a problem that the shared consciousness aspect of the film didn't work, and I still don't think it does in literal terms, but this isn't a science fiction film. It's a satirical film which presents a strange alternative reality that is almost closer to a fairy tale where scientific explanation is not important. The special effects are incredibly convincing for the most part. The only criticism I had was that it was somewhat derivative of other films. A morality tale is a good way to describe it, and I think Fargeat, the director, said that the idea of the film came from her experience with cosmetic procedures and the dangers around addictions that form out of trying to retain beauty at all costs. So it's not just the usual cliches about beauty being overvalued. I think that's part of it, but it has more of a personal, psychological dimension like you guys mention. It's also good to see Qauid, a very talented actor, and Demi Moore who haven't been in the limelight in recent years. Quaid I think had drug problems, and his potential as an actor was never fully realized. But both give good performances in this.
My issue is that the movie wasted too much on being grotesque than being meaningful, I'm pretty sure people will forget this movie in a few months because it's not a really good satirical interesting movie, it was fun and I enjoyed it but I will not remember that movie for its message, it was pretty weak.
Took my girlfriend to this movie without her even knowing the name of the movie, did not know it was gonna be like that. A mortifying experience
I’ve seen it four times at the cinema and yes, it is the greatest movie of 2024.
It was definitely a little long either get rid of the ending or cut out some of the middle to get to that ending quicker
It's one of the rare films where I actually didn't feel like the runtime was justified because I could so clearly see all the sequences that were way too drawn out and undermined themselves with the repetition, and I thought "that film needed an editor" and found out afterwards that it had THREE editors, one of whom was the director herself 😂 So I guess that staple criticism should be amended to "this film needed ONE editor, someone who ISN'T the director". I don't think Demi Moore has any standout moments worthy of a Best Actress nomination much less a win (no the scene where she prepares for a date isn't good enough) and the whole thing just made me wish I'd watched something like Carrie instead. Also, God, the flashbacks were the most obnoxious I've seen in years (Dennis Quaid's thought bubble face on the recipe book 🤢). It got to the point where I was predicting which scenes or which audio from past scenes they'd replay (everything in its right place, too bad her b00bs aren't in the middle of her face, etc) and seeing how many I'd get right. I had to stop to cover my ears because of how obnoxiously loud the ending sequence got. Shame that Fargeat got nominated over someone like Robert Eggers, but this is one of the worst Oscar years ever anyway so 🤷♂️
I watched the recap creepy body horror.
Lovely to hear that you're both vegan!! The shrimp scene was disgusting, as was the chicken stuffing scene, but I think the movie really highlighted the objectification of both women and animals by having both images parallel to each other like that, very interesting
Question: Nadia where did you get that shirt? 😂
It’s our merch! We’ll be launching the Fall/Winter collection at the end of this month 🙃
@ sweet can’t wait!
Dying to watch this and understand what got you two so grossed out
I watched it. I am currently blowing chunks.
I had a way stronger stomach for body horror before getting pregnant. I watched 90% of this movie through my fingers or plugging my ears
I liked it. Body horror kind of scares me so I had canceled my ticket. But I watched it yesterday, and it wasn’t as bad in the body horror as I thought. Like I’ll never watch Tusk.
I watched Tusk as a kid, and I'm still sickened by walruses. Genuinely, it's my most hated film.
Please continue to never watch it 🙏
This movie dethroned Dune Part Two for movie of the year for me
Watched this with my wife too, also both vegan.
…all the food stuff was gross, probably accurate in how I experience seeing it.
i loved the movie it was so fun and chilling
It is the greatest film of the year! ... so far :)
Watching it in the cinema was very intense, the audio was so gross and inescapable
I thought this movie was like 30 years old from all of the jokes about it
Close but grossest movie of the year is Terrifier 3
Love Mubi. Great movie too, super gross though haha.
It's impressive that nobody got that the movie is not about beauty standards (just a little). It's about insecurity and the dangers of having beauty as the only meaning of your life.
Like, nobody found Elizabeth ugly, is just that her idiot director made a cold commercial decision.
She would have a pretty good life if she just found a hobby, dated that guy and kept being sue half the time, but she was too insecure to find beauty in herself, and didn't found any value apart from being pretty. At no part, does the movie shows society doing anything. Like the rating being low because of elizabeth being ugly or something.
But you know....society bad.
People treat Elizabeth badly multiple times in the movie, and the movie makes it very clear that the exact same people treat younger more attractive women better. They also included a man who is going through the exact same thing. This movie is very blatantly saying that older people are ignored, partly for being unattractive. Not sure how anyone could think this movie isn’t about beauty standards, or that Elizabeth should have dated that weird fan. I felt really, really bad for him, but she never should have called him at all. I’m not saying the movie doesn’t imply that her biggest problem is her selfish obsession with being worshipped by strangers. I like that the movie makes it obvious that it’s not all society’s fault and her narcissism is a huge part of the problem.
@@StephanieLeighG Well, she build her whole life ONLY on her beauty, so when that sand castle fell of course she will treated differently. I don't thing people treating her rudly is a problem AT ALL. For whatever is going on in her mind in just a mild inconvinience.
Quick note: it was not just a weird fan. It was a childhood (or teenagehood) friend of hers from before she was famous. That's why, for me, it was a genuine shot at a relationship.
Certain industry standards are considered unrealistic. I think the film is at least saying that much.
Both topics are tackled, especially since they're connected. This movie isn't about just one thing.
Gotta say it's just 2 Black Mirror episodes telling a Goosebumps story.
I feel like you swapped brains for this one
movie
Can't say i could get my head around the tonal whiplash. I cant say the film ever got a laugh out of me and just made me feel sad. Then the ending felt like it was from a different film.
It didn't explore much, it spend a lot of time on shiny ass rather than doing interesting critics and thoughts. I enjoyed the film for the end that at least is generous but the message of the movie is pretty damn off, not a well written movie but well directed and original. The main point was to make something shocking rather than morality, which is a bit of a shame as the subject is more important than ever.
And as a french, I'm a bit tired that french directors do weird sexual movies. The Cuties movies were also by a french woman. Is it what the country of cinema can only offer...
I understand why you disregard the complaint of not making sense, but for me the fact that there was so much constantly through the whole thing that didn't make sense really kept me from getting into the movie. If it didn't have the air of taking itself seriously in the first half I could have enjoyed it for something that is intentionally absurd, but they didn't really do that until after building into the absurdity over two hours and only really let loose at the final 20 minutes or so. The acting was good, the effects were good, and there were interesting parts to the story / ideas but I was not able to click with it at all so couldn't even really view it as a comedy unfortunately. 2/10
@@miandagny i wouldn't rate it so low, but these are my exact complaints
Dumbest for sure
obnoxiousness, the movie. the terrible soundtrack, the gross close ups or the cartoonishly broad low-level messaging, I can't tell you what is worse. great practical effects though.