Building a Block wall with Quikrete Quikwall Mortar-less Joints
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- In this video we have Brandon from Quikrete, show us the benefits of building a block wall with Quikwall. This is a fiber reinforced Cement mix! Let us know what your thoughts are on the product, or if you have ever used it!
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This type of technique and products have been used for years. The first time I saw it used was about 40 years ago during construction of a steak house. If you have everything tied in, like corners and walls, it’s fine under normal weather conditions.
I’m more impressed with the facility and the students who want to learn the construction trade. It’s a great career, as well as rewarding (if you’re good).
Thanks for the video.
That's what its all about.
TY
David, I am not as nearly as skilled a mason as you are but, common sense and rationality dictates that this stuff cannot provide the same structural integrity as mortared joints w/ rebar. I would use this stuff to clean up/ repair a wall though or make a decorative finish
I concur.
I agree with u. I used to build reinforced fiberglass concrete wall panels. Don't know what they are doing.
in a standard brick and mortar wall, the motor holds the block in place and the block is acting as a formwork until its filled with concrete and reinforcing and that has dried, that's where all the strength comes from. not the block or motor
@@kiwibird8441 Makes sense
@@OdellCompleteConcrete no i thought the samething trust me Try this product on a wall super strong & makes the wall far stronger. Test it out put two walls side by side knock them down need 30 days for a full cure though
I really, really appreciate how you go out of your way to show and demonstrate new products. This guy is just a kid & trying to make a living; probably went thru the company's training, and now poor guy is tasked with training the professionals....but hey, he did demonstrate. You'd said all "colors" fade with time, so I'm sure it will look better re color soon. I don't have time or money or patience to try/demo new stuff, so thanks again. Even if I don't use this product, it is fabulous to see it demo'd. Thanks again...
YW
TY
I love the way he works with young people. Great job!
TY
I have used this in the past and I filled the cells with concrete and rebar. Super strong and last forever
I have done this a few times over the years, very quick and very effective. Not used Quickcrete, just a standard render mix with chopped polyester fibre.. works really well
Sounds good
I actually used this stuff ten years ago ,,, did two foot knee wall for a steel building 30 feet wide ,, and a section four feet high on one side for the wood stove area. The wall is still holding fine thru a decade of Northern Maine winters. I am not a mason and would not have been able to due a conventional mortar joint wall. It worked for me ,,,
Good to hear.
TY
Its a great product i used it For the first time 5 years ago on a old stone fondation wall that had holes all threw it. The mortor was so old it turned to dust dirt. Ended up filling a ton of holes & build a whole new wall. I love this stuff works great. Poor guy looks like hes having a hard time with that trowl & mixing way to lose. I know you guys must be pulling your hair out an trying with all your mite not to rip that trowel out of his Hand ( gimmey that😂
Practice practice practice
US Mix makes a bonding mortar similar to this called Q Bond. The stuff is strong as heck thanks to the polymers and fiber reinforcement. Super product for patching/plastering old stone foundations. 💪
Sounds similar
Nice. I always enjoy your tutorials. I have a channel about the decorative side of concrete...and it’s fun to see the background on prepping, pouring & placing, etc. on your channel.
Right on
Really cool you help these kids out.
TY
Creamy Tomato Soup holds a mortorless Wall together??? 🤔
I don’t believe it.
No Habla Englessia 🙀
Yea if it was stronger than a standard block wall with 3\8 joints they would build elevator shafts out of it tomato bisque for a structural wall haaaaaa
Get it on
OSs
@andthebeat... adios marecon
Lol
This has been around for a long time. You used to need to make your own. Most supply houses carried chopped fiberglass to add to fine sand mortar mixes. It’s very similar to diamond wall thin coat stucco mix. I’ve read it was originally developed to build cisterns.
Thanks for the info!
LOL, you can tell the demonstrator dude is a PHONY, he's rarely handled any tools. He looked like a toddler making mud pies for the first time. Also, all that BS about the wall being stronger than whatever. Odell, you're a nice guy, had you been one of those rude and ruthless kind of dudes you would of handed him his ass. Wonder how he's going to feel once he reads all the comments on here.
That is some good stuff, but not the way he's trying to push/sell it. I feel this would be good in areas like DC or NY where owners spend thousands to tuck-pointing brick with deteriorating mortar. I would try this on the back and sides of a building where appearance may not matter.
Handy Man he’s not a PHONY.. he’s a GOMEY .😄
I think its main purpose can be stucco patches in a one step, without having to worry about cracking
Thanks so much for this video. Is this material durable for a firepit? Could I could my firepit with this and allow the fire to burn directly on it?
Would you use this as a 1 coat stucco over a block wall that was done with standard mortar and cinder block? Or is there a preferred method over this?
Possibly one coat but maybe two depending on how looks
I’m building a garage using concrete blocks and I’m thinking about using this product and still fill the cores with concrete 😎
Awesome
Heavy duty
will quikwall work with metal lath nailed into tarped wood? I have a wood chair wrapped up in a tarp for outdoor protection. I plan on adding a thin metal lath around it and use this to give it a stone look to the chair.
Interesting. It should work if the frame is rigid
Great work
Thank you! Cheers!
Can you use this product on an existing block wall in a basement if its already been painted?
Interesting stuff... cool
yes
Id say thicker coats do matter.
Im skeptical of this product though.
Id ask what the overall verdict is but wouldn't want to put anyone "on the spot" so to speak.
My gut tells me old school mortar rebar etc tried n true is the way to go.
Only time will tell with this product itd be interesting to eventually find out.
Damn good video as always either way! 👍
I used this stuff as a finish coat, not structural, on a 40x60 ag building that is in the ground 6 foot on one long side and about 2.5 foot on the other. We still filled every other hole tube with concrete and rebar for the actual strength. I figured stronger than stucco but still provides a nice finish on the inside. Been almost 2 years now, no problems so far. We did tar and plastic the outside before pushing the dirt back in place. Nothings bowed, nothing leaning. I'd use it again. Special order from the big orange home repair chain.
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It's cool and decorative definetly a good alternative to stucco here in the north but i'd still mortar those joints. It seems like a really tough finish would be good for pool areas I think like pool showers and walls that get allot of chemical soaked water on them.
For sure
I live in Arizona and the walls built around the houses here the cinder block is literally staked on top of one another with a little bit of mortar. After a while you can see through where the mortar is supposed to be. Short of tearing down the wall and starting again there is not much you can do to fix them, maybe this product will help strengthen the wall a bit.
Yes that may work
Seems like a cool solution for a smaller non structural DIY wall. I would probably feel a lot safer if I were to put in some rebar and concrete like with normal block if I was going to build a bigger wall/fence or something with this sort of a solution.
I concur
If properly applied 1/4" thick to dry stacked block , would this be strong enough for a 4' tall foundation wall ? Would a building inspector approve it, assuming the required footing, rebar and grouted cells that a mortared block wall would need ? Strong enough to have all cells filled solid without needing any bracing ? Seems like the inherent damp proofing would be a plus for foundation walls.
I think so, but I don't know about a Inspector
It'll hold but will it meet code and what about engineering? I like their products and i like the quick dry but I don't think it will replace bonded and filled block wall. it may be strong but not strong enough. Definitely need thicker coating, even a scratch coat is a quarter inch.
Its a quick fix one step on small stucco jobs, but not to hold blocks together.
I'm glad they don't have earthquakes in California
NOt in a while
I used over 50 bags of this on my basement exterior before back filling, mainly as a water proofer. I tar coated it next. You are supposed to wet cure it for at least 24 hours to expect any strength. It's a very good product and I will use it again, but not the way it's been demonstrated here..
Sounds good
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Curious how long you let it set before the lift test? If same day, then it won’t have cured enough yet (I would think)
Not long enough.
Only a few hours
This product could ,indeed, work as it's beneficial to have the tensile forces resisted on the outermost surface (. Think monocoque , honeycomb panels etc) Plus there is a lot of bonding surface area. Need to make sure enough "whiskers" are spanning the joints though...and allow for a proper cure.
Yes
Should get a guy who knows how to mix it to demonstrate it.
Lmao. I thought the same exact thing.
Get it on
Looking to make 3 walls in my basement as a safe room. What are your thoughts? Thinking about using PL400 as mortar?
Ballistic
@@OdellCompleteConcrete Thinking about sand?
Could you make a six foot fence using this product?
I doubt it
Was going to try this but the failure at the end gave me pause for concern. It would have been nice to compare to a regular mortor joint.
Solid grout it and your fine
I can only imagine the liability this would leave quikcrete open to. I wonder what the fine print on the bag says? I am however, tempted to use the product as a facing for areas where I need it aesthetically, and for art projects.
Solid grout it and it's fine.
I think the real purpose is to use on exsiting damaged walls.
Sweet 👍
TY
Can this be used as a finish coat over a base coat of stucco
no
I would like to see that again with 24-48 hrs drying time.
me too
Do the blocks need to be cleaned? What if there is still plaster or lime in between?
I would clean them first
Different areas of the country call for different tichniques. In the North we have to wet, mortar paint the block, and then apply the product. Codes require mortared joints with reinforcement rod. Then plaster the exterior over an insulation product.
SOunds like your in some freezing weather
@@OdellCompleteConcrete Yes. They are calling for a chill factor of -35 degrees F this weekend. Need a buffer between the frozen soil and concrete due to the expansion of the frozen soil always cracks the unprotected concrete and block walls.
@@Uticagreens
sounds like big money to build there
I am not a mason so I must ask, does this method save any time at all? It seems it took him longer to cover the block's surface as opposed to just putting mortar in between the blocks.
Gives you a stucco finish at the same time.
Does anyone use Quikwall to build walls for a fish pond? does it work?
Not sure
So it's basically chop strand fibre glass in render? I was thinking it was going to be this magical product that's going to take over the construction industry!
That would be cool
They took our basketball hoop at work away. Interesting video, thanks!
😂🤣😂🤣🤣 bastard's
Probably because everyone was getting hurt on the job
You must work for the government
Doesn't everyone
I uses this for the first time, went on nice - next day was flaking off.
I assume I applied it too thin, and it dried too fast?
I also used WAY less water. Looks really syrupy in this video.
Could be
i'll probably choose to mix a bag with my mortar to reinforce it.
im finding it a bit to risky to rely on this method.
I wouldn't unless you fill it with concrete and rebar
@@OdellCompleteConcrete yeah i agree
Not only is a block wall with rebar, grout, bond beam and mortar joints 10 x stronger then this you will find it very hard making a level and plumb wall dry stacking CMU block this product is only good for a patch job
I Concur
Is it strong enough to make a pizza oven stand?
I would fill a few cells with concrete
Is there a follow up to this video?
What did the manufacturer say about this failure?
It's not a failure because it wasn't designed for that.
We just tested the limits
@@OdellCompleteConcrete
True.. concrete doesn't like to be pulled on. Lol.
Just curious why we don't build buildings this way if it's so much easier and quicker and stronger.
Everything I read. Says this is better,.. but yet we don't construct buildings with it. Not even fence walls.
To be fair on the product, it really hadn't cured enough and was put on with an inconsistent thickness.
You can clearly see it wasn't properly cured as when they handled the mix, the fibres easily came out of it. Probably be OK after 4 hours outside, in the sun and wind, but not in an air conditioned building.
The big advantage I see with this product is for rendering over uneven walls, say decorative coarse finished brick or walls with heavily recessed bond lines. The fibre will give the mix the body to fill those voids and prevent cracking on cure.
Yes cure time may have made a big difference
🎶Aint nothing like the real thing baby🎶......still like the way grandma does it 🤫✌🍺🍺
OSS
Stupid question maybe already answered. With rain, are you sure that frontiers between blocks will be invible ? I am sceptical.....
I don't know
I think this is great if u live out in the desert and build a 4ft wall like this it will help keep snakes out...no permit needed.
For sure
I don’t get it with products like this. If the company rep can’t get it to set up in a way that matches what he’s promising then how can I confidently buy and use it?
I don't know
He made soup . Lol. Mix might have been too wet . That can also weaken the mortar.
As far as thickness ... I THINK (not 100% sure) it helps if it’s thinker since there r more fibers in the coating .
This product would b great for decorative walls , I think.
Yes it has some potential
I'd still sick with brick and mortar, unless it was just a small decorative wall. oh just heard you do all four sides and only 4ft high. what stops it from pushing it over. very interesting
I concur
I don’t know about all that. Think I’ll stick with the ol’ fashioned way of using mortar and rebar!!
OSS
He asked if you guys ever did a block wall? 😂😂😂 lmao. You guys should have asked him the same question😂 by the looks oft it.
OSS
David, I'm building a ~4'x2' rectangular gas firepit enclosure with 8x8x16 block , 2 courses and a one piece cast concrete top cap. I'm going to finish with stone veneer. Would you use this product or go with standard mortared joints? If mortared, would you still fill all the cells given the size and use? Thanks for the great videos!
I think standard mortar joints
What about building code approval? Even if it works if it doesn’t meet code why use it? I’m all for better and faster but that’s kind of important.
good question
While it was still in the bucket, I could tell from here, it wasn't like peanut butter,
And I live in Germany!
That's the beauty of this.
Bingo
i was told the mortar color could not be added to the white Quikwall, only the grey
Interesting
Cudos to the trade schools!! Teaching and learning a trade is one thing that should never die. This product on the other hand; is stucco - not structural.
Yes its just a good stucco patch
Agree with many of the comments. It seems that if you get a thick enough coat on all sides with the aid of the fiber, a wall could be strong enough to rival, with the right conditions, a rebar and mortar wall. But the mix does not seem to spread well and looks like added cost in material, more hand time = higher labor cost, and ultimately a weaker product. Cannot see a benefit.
I think its main purpose can be stucco patches in a one step, without having to worry about cracking
Had about six guys standing on it 🤔 well how many was it?
Its a quick fix one step on small stucco jobs, but not to hold blocks together.
As a HOMEOWNER and non-cement/concrete contractor...I have always appreciating watching a company lay concrete block. I always WISHED there were a product which would allow me to stack block like legos and than just butter it up like frosting on a cake.
THIS is that product. Their website mentions "garden wall, planter, mailbox support, and outside kitchen" and meant to be used on "small projects."
As a concrete amateur I'd use it because building concrete block the way I've seen LOOKS complicated. I'm not saying I WOULD USE IT, but there is a MARKET out there that can LEGALLY build non-structural walls with a STUCCO product...and they will find this product and make outside BBQs, grills, kitchens, short retaining walls, planters...etc...
AND there will be PROS who use it for the same purposes...
It doesn't save on labor so its NOT specifically tailored for contractor use...more of the DIY intimidated by the idea of making a legit block wall.
Yes I think there is some small stuff like under 2' that has no shear or load against it.
That's still pretty strong for only 4 hours. Fiber an latex does wonders.
Probably a good overlay mixture
@@OdellCompleteConcrete I see on the spec sheet they say " CURING
QUIKWALL® SBC walls must be fog cured after having achieved final
set. This is essential to ensure proper hydration of the thin surface
application." So they want you to keep it wet during hydration. I'm sure that would add a lot of strength.
Mortar has worked for how many centuries...?
Got to love cement products
Shouldn't you have waited longer than 4 hours from application to test the strength? I used this product on about a 4 block stack many years ago, then let it set completely (weeks or months) and could not kick the blocks apart.
Yes probably would have worked then
Uhh sounds like cutting corners, without inserting rebars. I mean I don’t know nothing, but I guess you stand by your product & service.
It's designed as an alternative repair to remove and replacement
using this at 50 degress dosent stick well and if to wet wants to run down wall
I wasn't aware of that.
TY
I wouldn't have my crew using it because they can lay up 30 squares in a day this'll be slower and could possibly bid in lower than 95 cents per block the normal prevailing wage
Get it on
Fail! Then the guy says it holds together so well because of the fiber..lol
Its a quick fix one step on small stucco jobs, but not to hold blocks together.
@@OdellCompleteConcrete
Nice thorough product review overall. Thank you
What stops u or the earth from pushing it over
I don't know
Maybe it would work better if it was mixed and applied right
I think another coat and more dry time may have worked.
Similar to countertop mix? “GFR”
That's interesting
That’s what I was thinking. This seems a little crazy but I’ve seen guys make a table out of Surecrete’s GFCR countertop mix (only about 1/2 in thick) and had four dudes standing on it four hours after it was poured. If this is 1/4 inch thick on all sides...? Maybe don’t build a house with it but you could probably do a lot with it.
👍
I don't believe it has the same strength as reber and mortar, compression yeah,......
Shear or tension, NOPE...
I think its main purpose can be stucco patches in a one step, without having to worry about cracking
No rebar, no corefill? You gonna build a basement wall buried like that? BS.
Never.
I think its main purpose can be stucco patches in a one step, without having to worry about cracking
I agree I'm sure the fiber will reinforce as a stucco product compared to their type s mortar
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Fuck what I think, what does Odell say? Is that going to last if I bump my mower into it?
Well it's a quickcrete product lol can say I wasnt surprised.
OSS
DO I UNDERSTAND, THAT YOU NEED TO DO ALL SIDES OF THE BLOCK? IF THAT IS THE CASE, HOE DO YOU DO THE INSIDE OF A COLUMN?
🤗
quicker just laying mortar joints, and definately stronger with joints and rio bar
yes
So many variables to this product working as designed. Not sure how building regulators would approve it for housing. The colouring and mixing method is problematic for consistent colour matching. Every splash of water changes the shad on one batch to the next.
True with any integral color cement product
Build the wall! Build the wall! Build the wall! Wall wall wall wall wall!!!
OSS
back to the drawing board boys
OSS
I think the directions say 24 hr cure time, might have helped
WTF did I just watch.
Kids learning the construction trade while testing products
I like this mix to use in the exterior walls of my sheetrock home and that way I don't have to paint it. .. possibly.
Go for it
hmmm no mortar...wonder how strong it is
OSS
Lol! Stronger than rebar. "Fiber"! Cant hold two together xD
Get it on
Not a fan. There is a spray applied finish as well available and it is so much stronger. It can be hit with a 14lb hammer and will still hold up.
Whats that product
Odell Complete Concrete In the U.K., it is produced by GLS Coatings. I cannot remember the product names of similar products in the States.
The concept is cool but in my opinion this can't compete with a wall done with mortar and rebar especially if it had to retain dirt or whatever
I think its main purpose can be stucco patches in a one step, without having to worry about cracking
Brandon, Thank you for sharing your mixing of quikwall....................Pancakes?? Really?
The pancake king, coming to your area soon!
Hahahahahahahashaah!
OSS
I think you made a mistake in the title.. my guess is that you meant mortar-less?
_ _it happens
I'll stick to using mortar. Pun intended!
sure shot
He should've saturated the wall first before applying it and I'm sure it takes more than 4 hours before it fully cures...
Yes probably 24 hours
Looks slow and a PITA to apply. Odell's lift test proved how strong this is.