I made a brushing remark on a you tube vid. My main point is It's not a German tank. My point was made. I was already corrected BTW from the avid WW2 enthusiast above, so the response from the peanut gallery doesn't count.
Yep, there's the second time you corrected me. So geeked out on WW2 trivia expertise you're going to be redundant and petty. You're wrong about the main idea, too. Missing the larger point I made says a lot about your ability to comprehend.
*_"You're wrong about the main idea, too."_* So, this is wrong? *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy."_* To which I simply replied, _"It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank."_ To which you got butthurt about being corrected and falsely stated: *_"My main point is It's not a German tank."_* Which is incorrect, as evidenced by your original post here: *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank"_* Which disproves your assertion that: *_"Missing the larger point I made says a lot about your ability to comprehend."_* Because, as evidenced by the content of both your original statement, *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank"_* and my correction to your original statement, _"It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank."_ both being seamlessly related to each other, *I have absolutely no comprehension issues at all.* You, on the other hand, *_"My main point is It's not a German tank."_* failed to even pass along your intended observation in a comprehensible manner. Because this: *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy."_* DOES NOT EQUAL THIS: *_"It's not a German tank."_* _DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, OR ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOUR COMPREHENSION AGAIN?_ Douchebag.
Just one of the most brilliant moments in film history. He knows it's fucked up he feels this way but he can't help it. It's just a portrait of a guy aware of and reveling in the fact that he's fulfilling his life's purpose
You see the same thing when you watch "The Last Dance" the Michael Jordan documentary. MJ straight up admits that he's basically a little psychotic, but that's the only way he knows how to be, win at all costs, and he doesn't apologize for it.
If the Germans weren't aware of Patton, that's just one more reason why they ultimately lost! That and attempting to invade Russia after signing a non-aggression pact.
The carts he was dreaming about from reading about Napoleon and now seeing the Germans actually using them is a revelation to him. He understands now why he saw the carts in his dream. And the way the script was written so that it reveals how vivid his dream of the carts was...."the nightmare in the snow, the endless agonizing retreat from Moscow. How cold it was. He took the wounded and what was left of the supplies and threw it in the carts. Napoleon was finished. Not any color left, not even the red of blood. Only snow." Patton felt all the pain and agony of the retreat (as if he was there), the cold and the snow as he describes it from reading about this battle from Napoleon. He recalls this vividly and the carts. This is a revelation to him as he recalls it and sees it so vividly. You can see he's almost in a trace as he explains it to his Captain. He believes he was there and there's a reason for that. It's not just coincidence. That's why he dreamed and envisioned it. That is why "He loves it so" and loves it more than his life. Fantastic powerful scene. George C. Scott is masterful.
I thought of the cart that was stuck on the bridge and he had to intervene so that his troops can passby and the other was the one that almost killed him after the war.
@@mr.c2581 like maybe the carts and the dreams haunted him and kept popping up in situations throughout his life. The carts to him were never a good sign.
I think about this scene a lot. The passion for what he loves. The feeling of knowing that you were meant and prepared and made for "this" and knowing more than anything that you are walking with destiny. It's the greatest feeling in the world. Even when you're miserable, you love it. Even when it hurts and you're tired and wet I love it. God help me I love it so.
Had he not been rescued by another solider in WW I, he would have never lived to see this day. And when veterans of WW I were camping out in Washington D.C. under Herbert Hoover, Patton volunteered to break them up. And he knew that the man who saved his life was among the veterans. He showed no consideration for the man who saved his life, but treated him with the same contempt he held for all of them. Patton was heartless.
@@mickberry164 Patton also had a lot of weird opinions but soldiers don’t have to be role models. He also shafted himself several times in his life because he was a stickler for rules. He’d be an Olympic gold medalist if it weren’t for his own principles
This scene gives me chills, knowing a little about the man and how his military life consumed him, it's evident no one can defeat a General that knowledgeable and passionate about victory in war.
War is horrible, to that there should be no doubt. Sadly, it has been both alluring and necessary for the human race. This scene captures that dichotomy perfectly. And Oh, by the way George C. Scott gives my favorite dramatic performance in cinema, it's maybe the best. I do love it so.
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst." War is the result of early human tribalism being outpaced by evolving social structure and technology. It is the result of the spread of humans across the planet and developing different cultures. It is also worth noting that war has resulted in the most dramatic technological advancement of each age. You have the Nazis firing rockets at London from Berlin to thank for the space program. Research and development of mustard gas led to the Fritz-Haber process; saving countless millions from famine with industrial fertilizers. Human ingenuity is forged in war.
Sending Patton back into the field was Eisenhower's "I can't spare this man, he fights" moment. SHAEF knew it, the rest of the generals knew it. Everyone knew it. The only way to defeat the battle hardened SS and their superior equipment was strike like a sledgehammer and mitigate those advantages as soon as possible before they could be brought to bear. He orchestrated his own form of Blitzkrieg basically.
"Blitzkrieg" it was not. Despite a brilliant breakthrough in Lorraine, Patton bogged down in front of the Siegfried Line just like everyone else did. Patton's concept of operations was correctly aligned with the concepts of maneuver warfare, but he played a light hand in the execution of his plans. After having some conflicts with Gen. Truscott during the Sicily campaign, Patton no longer shoved his concept of operations down his subordinate's throats, and instead left them to operate within the specified operational outlines he set. By the time the Normandy invasion was in full swing, no one on the Allied side had any doubt as to the outcome of the war, and thus there was no reason to demand such sacrifice from their armies given their vast numerical and materiel superiority. If Patton had been in command of a German Army in 1940, he likely would have operated in a similar manner to the great practitioners of "Blitzkrieg", but by the time he was on the field, there was no longer any need to do so.
@@GeneralJackRipper IMO Patton's true strength was leadership in command. He shows no Napoleon or Rommel-like brilliance in parlaying a bad hand into victory or innovating new concepts. However, he had a visceral understanding of how to inspire men to perform in combat, and the ability to infuse that in large organizations. He shows this most clearly in his first 10 days of command in Africa. The relief of Bastogne was another famous example. Showboating was a part of it, but I suspect more could be said about his methods when interacting with subordinate leaders individually and in small groups. The older and more experienced I get, the more I appreciate the people skills of leaders like Patton, Washington, Grant, and Lee as a foundation of their success. Thanks for posting the Art Alpin videos, BTW. I have had fond memories of those videos since watching them for the first time as a cadet in the 80's.
As far as carts go, The German Army was never fully mechanized America's. A large part of their army used horse drawn wagon to haul supplies and field pieces. The Soviets would have never made it to Berlin as fast as they did if it wasn't for the half million US Dodge trucks we shipped them at great cost of lives and ships.
This was a great movie. I remember watching it mesmerized when I was a kid. My Dad never would talk about his service or wounds. But his Brother was in Patton's Army and he talked about it a lot. Very intriguing for young kids to hear
Patton in a future life: “I love the smell of napalm in the morning! That gasoline smell. It smells like … victory.” “You know, someday this war is gonna end …”
When you have a general like patton that is not a fear of the German army and there tactics and can always see what the patterns are from the enemy lines and pushing up with there play books and when he gets the word nuts he goes like every one goes to rescue mission and no matter what it takes
Yea it really bugged me at first because I'm a stickler for historical accuaracy. But then if you read about the production they couldn't find any German tanks because most were destroyed. So they had to use pattons. Kinda understandable
@@DevinAlden what else where they supposed to do in the days before CGI? M47s (and M24 Chaffees masquerading as Sherman's) were used extensively in 'The Battle of the Bulge' (1966). A wildly inaccurate but nonetheless interesting film
It is a shame that in this great movie zero Shermans are used. In 1970 it was still possible to do that: Kelly's Heroes, also 1970, used Shermans from the Yugoslavian Army and mock Tiger1 (based on T34's). Nowadays it is maybe even "easier" to get enough correct (armoured) vehicles, Allied and even German for film
It's double sad because the Spanish army had some Pz IV and Stug III. They were sold to Syria in 1967, but the Spanish Army retained a functional example in the Goloso Tank Museum, which could had been used. Also, the Portuguese still had some Sherman, so they could have brought them for the film. Still, as you say, nowadays it's easier and people pay more attention. Back in the 70's, a tank was a tank.
I always took this scene as a signal that Patton knew what was taking place was much larger than most could even comprehend. He was a warrior that could "see". When he felt like he was being fed bullshito by the brass, though he knew to pick his battles, he retaliated we he knew he could prove his point....and he struck hard. I believe General Patton was assassinated because of what he knew. I don't believe Eisenhower had him killed because he knew the SOB was right. Ike was in a bad situation because he couldn't turn Patton loose even though he knew he had to. The noble General Patton was seen as a threat to THEM. If he been given the chance to act on what he knew.....you thought MacArthur went batshito in Korea💊! He probably would have formed an alliance, once the cabal agents in both Germany and Russia had been beaten into submission, with the actual soldiers of these countries and carried on the spirit of Alexander The Great. Read about The Red Snake, The Gates of Alexander and the Wall of Gorgan💊. I bet you the General knew about these things!
There weren't much in the way of working Panzers after WWII to use for this movie because something like Germany losing the war and most of their Panzer being destroyed or scrapped took place.
There are no World War 2 era tanks in this movie, they are all American models, post World War 2. Except for tanks in the newsreels that were spliced in all other tanks were, what else but M47 and M48 Patton tanks!!!
The shallow reaction is “Oh dear, how can he love such bloodshed?” The real point here is that the world needed generals like this to defeat evil, relentless war machines like that of Germany. Sure, Germany already was running out of resources and manpower even before Patton rejoined the fight, but most historians would argue that the war would’ve dragged out longer and cost more lives in the European theater had Patton not slashed his way to Berlin as fast as he did from the west to meet up with Russia from the east and crush the beast.
A lot of film studios that made World War 2 films in the 60s and 70s couldn't find real German tanks since the Pentagon head them so they had to do with what the US Army could give them
Perhaps that specific reality. But reality itself is determined by God. We don't get multiple realities. As a man, Jesus had but ONE reality. He gave it all, for us.
@@michaelbee2165 Get back to me when religion speaks true and not before. Your version of God condemns trillions of good souls to a hell, and such a god as yours isn’t mine.
I think this if the scene of the aftermath where both sides' tanks ran out of gas as they met each other the night before and engaged in a point blank head-to-head tank battle..
@NO MA'AM PrefixTHX thats nonesense. Humans die. Humans fight. Humans hurt each other with or without war. At least in battle there is some glory to it. If you felt shame for doing your job then maybe war is just not your scene and maybe the combative arm of the army was not the right place for you to serve. But there will always be those willing to fight, and there will always be a need for them and so we had better embrace it all and admire the thinking, planning, technology, and valor that goes into rather then worrying over these foolish morale concepts. The concept that a human life is so infinitely valuable that the destruction of it, no matter then reason, is always unwarranted.
@@whispofwords2590 Defense of our family is FAR above the value of our own life. Trivializing the value of that human life is NOT why Jesus came to redeem us.
Combined with the fact it was very difficult to find proper vehicles to be used for the movie's shooting, I think they intentionally made the puns of putting Patton tanks in both German and Allies, in a movie about Patton. See? :v
When Patton was a young officer he killed two Mexican officers with his pistol in a gunfight in a bar, he was a warrior all his life. You need people who enjoy war if you want to win it, you can have the peace loving hippies and the crybabies on the front. You want the guys who are joking and smiling and talking about how they get erections in the middle of gunfights from the adrenaline. It seems fucked up at first glance, but in war you need fucked up people to win in a fucked up situation.
'Like your name, Eloi. Is there any real evidence that he said that? I've read Farago's biography more than once, and I do not remember that statement. Remember Robert E Lee's statement ? "It is good that war is so terrible. We would grow too fond of it. "
The carts he was dreaming about from reading about Napoleon and now seeing the Germans actually using them is a revelation to him. And the way the script was written so that it reveals how vivid Patton's dream of the carts was...."the nightmare in the snow, the endless agonizing retreat from Moscow. How cold it was. He took the wounded and what was left of the supplies and threw it in the carts. Napoleon was finished. Not any color left, not even the red of blood. Only snow." Patton felt the agony of the retreat , the cold and the snow as he describes it from reading about this battle from Napoleon . He recalls this vividly and the carts. This is a revelation to him as he recalls it and sees it so vividly. That's why "He loves it so" and loves it more than his life.
You know, the pictures of the battlefield are interesting but it’s totally Hollywood because you don’t see the body parts in the blood all over from when these vehicles were blown up. I’ve never been in a war, I can’t imagine it, but I feel sorry for those who have. God bless our soldiers, keeping us safe
@@GeneralJackRipper indeed, I haven’t seen a lot of movies in general and hardly any made before the year 2000 Was it common to use more readily available vehicles in films in place of their historical counterparts?
@@randbarrett8706 Sorry I missed your comment. Yes, it was extremely common to use whatever vehicles were available rather than historically accurate examples. It's a modern day phenomenon we see this push towards rescuing and restoring old vehicles.
@@michaelbee2165 Saving Private Ryan is probably the first war movie most people have ever seen nowadays. And the Tigers in that movie were actually chopped up T-34's. BUT! They did manage a real Sherman or two.
Those are modernized Spanish M47E2 Patton tanks with a Rheinmetall RH-105 105mm gun. Were taken off the registry in 1993, but the bridge launcher version, that's still in service.
In this dialogue Patton recognizes the defeat of Napoleon by the russians. In that sense he always despised soviets for snatching greater victories over the germans than the entire US Army deployed in Europe. After all he being a true warrior like he thought of himself, he only had other western commanders to compare. All of them over cautious. And thats the general feeling in the entire movie. Patton making a bigger splash than anybody. Because the soviets were doing so every week. Thats why he had to take Palermo without orders. Assault Brolo at a huge cost. Make that 100 mile plus march over Bastogne. And felt cheated out of his chance for glory when ordered to leave Berlin to the soviets. But to some all these side events in the movie are not relevant. Think again.
It's more of a symbolic representation of his advance through France into the Lorraine region. The Germans threw everything they had at him to stop him penetrating the Siegfried line before winter.
"It makes no difference what men think of war," said the judge. "War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner." - Cormac McCarthy
The movie as a whole is a hokey joke. No mention of Patton's loathing for jews in the entirety of the flick. No mention of anything that might make talmudists feel uncomfortable. This particular scene is good.
Okay genius, feel free to write your own Patton movie. Then go cry in your cereal when everyone says it's cringe-worthy nonsense. This is one of the best war films of all time. F*ck off.
GUYS DID YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK. I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE SHOULD MENTION IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! BECAUSE IT'S NOT. OH HOW COULD SOMEONE NOT ALREADY HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT THE GERMAN TANKS IN THIS MOVIE AREN'T REAL GERMAN TANKS, UNDER EVERY VIDEO OF THIS MOVIE INVOLVING THE FAKE GERMAN TANKS! BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL! THEY'RE NOT REAL GERMAN TANKS! THEY'RE FAKE!
Thank you for trivializing the deaths of thousands upon thousands of American and Allied war deaths and their graves, both in Europe and here at home and throughout our history. For if these "ARE NOT REAL GERMAN TANKS" then the sacrifice and the honor with which these men died is CLEARLY nothing more than a myth. 🙄. Despite your efforts to the contrary, those men were mortally and savagely wounded and torn apart for your right to vomit such a horrific thing. To do so over such a trivial point misses the entire matter here. It could only take such a shallow, and lacking in courage monster as yourself to evade the grasp of the horror portrayed. There are many like yourself, today, who seek to diminish the valor of those who sacrificed all. Btw, that includes the average Joe Wermacht who was drafted into the hell of Normandy or the Eastern front. But we reserve that honor for our American and Allied dead who gave all. It is written into our American consciousness and will NEVER be removed. One day, your grave will be pissed upon by cattle and goats. Human beings will not be permitted to do so because it would be a senseless tossing away of perfectly good human waste.
If all of a sudden, at that very moment, Patton had to face 400,000 German troops recently transported from Norway, along with 100,000 from both the Balkans & Italy, another 20,000 from both Denmark & Czechoslovakia, including another 400,000 either transferred from or meant for the Eastern Front, then those extra 900,000 or so German Soldiers/tank divisions, supplied with sufficient gasoline (all with the intent of capturing that which belonged to the Americans as well), would no doubt smash right through the weak spots in the American lines, wreak widespread havoc, inflict tremendous damage & destruction, destroy thousands of Sherman tanks, seriously wound/kill/capture at least 100,000 of Patton's men, pulverize & shatter the morale of the US troops, & then push the rest of the 3rd Army back at least 50 miles, if not more, all while drawing at least 10-15 divisions away from General Hodges Army, THUS placing the entire 12th Army Group on the Defensive (by that point quite outnumbered). Hypothetically speaking! Yet how would Patton contend with such an unexpected, shocking & devastating scenario??
@@GeneralJackRipper Far fetched & highly improbable, YES, yet still a scenario (or this close enough one, viability wise, thereof) that, with the right planning, secrecy, intelligence, speed, overall unit to unit coordination & sufficient logistics on the part of the Germans, could have transpired ((merely hypothetical, & based upon what I know of all the availability of remaining German units during that period of The War!))😀😀😊😊👊👊
that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy.
It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank.
I made a brushing remark on a you tube vid. My main point is It's not a German tank. My point was made. I was already corrected BTW from the avid WW2 enthusiast above, so the response from the peanut gallery doesn't count.
Your point was, it was a "Sherman" tank. Which it wasn't.
Yep, there's the second time you corrected me. So geeked out on WW2 trivia expertise you're going to be redundant and petty. You're wrong about the main idea, too. Missing the larger point I made says a lot about your ability to comprehend.
*_"You're wrong about the main idea, too."_*
So, this is wrong?
*_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy."_*
To which I simply replied, _"It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank."_
To which you got butthurt about being corrected and falsely stated:
*_"My main point is It's not a German tank."_*
Which is incorrect, as evidenced by your original post here:
*_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank"_*
Which disproves your assertion that:
*_"Missing the larger point I made says a lot about your ability to comprehend."_*
Because, as evidenced by the content of both your original statement, *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank"_* and my correction to your original statement, _"It's not a Sherman tank. It's an M48 Patton tank."_ both being seamlessly related to each other, *I have absolutely no comprehension issues at all.*
You, on the other hand, *_"My main point is It's not a German tank."_* failed to even pass along your intended observation in a comprehensible manner.
Because this: *_"that sherman tank made to look like a german tank is cringe worthy."_*
DOES NOT EQUAL THIS: *_"It's not a German tank."_*
_DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, OR ARE YOU HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOUR COMPREHENSION AGAIN?_
Douchebag.
Just one of the most brilliant moments in film history. He knows it's fucked up he feels this way but he can't help it. It's just a portrait of a guy aware of and reveling in the fact that he's fulfilling his life's purpose
You see the same thing when you watch "The Last Dance" the Michael Jordan documentary. MJ straight up admits that he's basically a little psychotic, but that's the only way he knows how to be, win at all costs, and he doesn't apologize for it.
"He too will be destroyed. The absence of war will kill him. The pure warrior. A magnificent anachronism."
--- Hauptmann Steiger
He died right after the war ended. He fulfilled his destiny and it was time for him to rest eternally.
Basically true. And given a choice no doubt Patton would gladly view his own demise as less important than the destruction of the Nazis.
Best line in the movie.
In reality Patton wasn't really on the Germans' radar.
If the Germans weren't aware of Patton, that's just one more reason why they ultimately lost! That and attempting to invade Russia after signing a non-aggression pact.
The writing from start to stop is genius. No matter how you cut it, Coppola and company created one of the only films that will last forever.
The carts he was dreaming about from reading about Napoleon and now seeing the Germans actually using them is a revelation to him. He understands now why he saw the carts in his dream. And the way the script was written so that it reveals how vivid his dream of the carts was...."the nightmare in the snow, the endless agonizing retreat from Moscow. How cold it was. He took the wounded and what was left of the supplies and threw it in the carts. Napoleon was finished. Not any color left, not even the red of blood. Only snow."
Patton felt all the pain and agony of the retreat (as if he was there), the cold and the snow as he describes it from reading about this battle from Napoleon. He recalls this vividly and the carts. This is a revelation to him as he recalls it and sees it so vividly. You can see he's almost in a trace as he explains it to his Captain. He believes he was there and there's a reason for that. It's not just coincidence. That's why he dreamed and envisioned it. That is why "He loves it so" and loves it more than his life.
Fantastic powerful scene. George C. Scott is masterful.
I thought of the cart that was stuck on the bridge and he had to intervene so that his troops can passby and the other was the one that almost killed him after the war.
@@mr.c2581 like maybe the carts and the dreams haunted him and kept popping up in situations throughout his life. The carts to him were never a good sign.
I think about this scene a lot. The passion for what he loves. The feeling of knowing that you were meant and prepared and made for "this" and knowing more than anything that you are walking with destiny. It's the greatest feeling in the world. Even when you're miserable, you love it. Even when it hurts and you're tired and wet I love it. God help me I love it so.
Goblins?!
@@GeneralJackRipper slaying Goblins.
Had he not been rescued by another solider in WW I, he would have never lived to see this day. And when veterans of WW I were camping out in Washington D.C. under Herbert Hoover, Patton volunteered to break them up. And he knew that the man who saved his life was among the veterans. He showed no consideration for the man who saved his life, but treated him with the same contempt he held for all of them. Patton was heartless.
@@mickberry164 Patton also had a lot of weird opinions but soldiers don’t have to be role models. He also shafted himself several times in his life because he was a stickler for rules. He’d be an Olympic gold medalist if it weren’t for his own principles
Greatest WWII movie. George C. Scott is masterful how he played Patton. Masterful.
There are a lot of great lines in a lot of great movies. GCS as Patton are right up there at the top.
This scene gives me chills, knowing a little about the man and how his military life consumed him, it's evident no one can defeat a General that knowledgeable and passionate about victory in war.
he understands that in war if you don't have total dedication- you have lost already.
One of THE great performances!
They don't make actors like they used to.
he played Patton better than Patton played himself
War is horrible, to that there should be no doubt. Sadly, it has been both alluring and necessary for the human race. This scene captures that dichotomy perfectly. And Oh, by the way George C. Scott gives my favorite dramatic performance in cinema, it's maybe the best. I do love it so.
Well said.
War is the consequence of immorality and ignorance.
"Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst."
War is the result of early human tribalism being outpaced by evolving social structure and technology. It is the result of the spread of humans across the planet and developing different cultures.
It is also worth noting that war has resulted in the most dramatic technological advancement of each age. You have the Nazis firing rockets at London from Berlin to thank for the space program. Research and development of mustard gas led to the Fritz-Haber process; saving countless millions from famine with industrial fertilizers.
Human ingenuity is forged in war.
Beautifully said.
@RAJU PEDDADA Ozymandias.
Third Army soldier's return home and spoke little of it to there families.It was horrific for them!God Bless them for doing there duty.
Indeed God bless them. They never asked for that. NONE of those veterans spoke much about it.
Sending Patton back into the field was Eisenhower's "I can't spare this man, he fights" moment. SHAEF knew it, the rest of the generals knew it. Everyone knew it. The only way to defeat the battle hardened SS and their superior equipment was strike like a sledgehammer and mitigate those advantages as soon as possible before they could be brought to bear. He orchestrated his own form of Blitzkrieg basically.
"Blitzkrieg" it was not. Despite a brilliant breakthrough in Lorraine, Patton bogged down in front of the Siegfried Line just like everyone else did.
Patton's concept of operations was correctly aligned with the concepts of maneuver warfare, but he played a light hand in the execution of his plans. After having some conflicts with Gen. Truscott during the Sicily campaign, Patton no longer shoved his concept of operations down his subordinate's throats, and instead left them to operate within the specified operational outlines he set. By the time the Normandy invasion was in full swing, no one on the Allied side had any doubt as to the outcome of the war, and thus there was no reason to demand such sacrifice from their armies given their vast numerical and materiel superiority.
If Patton had been in command of a German Army in 1940, he likely would have operated in a similar manner to the great practitioners of "Blitzkrieg", but by the time he was on the field, there was no longer any need to do so.
@@GeneralJackRipper IMO Patton's true strength was leadership in command. He shows no Napoleon or Rommel-like brilliance in parlaying a bad hand into victory or innovating new concepts. However, he had a visceral understanding of how to inspire men to perform in combat, and the ability to infuse that in large organizations. He shows this most clearly in his first 10 days of command in Africa. The relief of Bastogne was another famous example. Showboating was a part of it, but I suspect more could be said about his methods when interacting with subordinate leaders individually and in small groups. The older and more experienced I get, the more I appreciate the people skills of leaders like Patton, Washington, Grant, and Lee as a foundation of their success.
Thanks for posting the Art Alpin videos, BTW. I have had fond memories of those videos since watching them for the first time as a cadet in the 80's.
@@edhaywood9662 I know it's been a while but I often come back to your comment here. Excellent analysis.
"it is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow to love it"
Robert E Lee
The great General cried down from heaven when he saw that retched Iron cross on his namesake.
I don't think he would care. In fact, I think he would have enjoyed this movie.
As far as carts go, The German Army was never fully mechanized America's. A large part of their army used horse drawn wagon to haul supplies and field pieces. The Soviets would have never made it to Berlin as fast as they did if it wasn't for the half million US Dodge trucks we shipped them at great cost of lives and ships.
Ok...let's not keep talking about accuracy of the type of tanks....
We all get it
Remember... WWII vehicles such as German tanks and American tanks? They’re rare. And this is before we have CGI, Private Ryan, and Fury.
I think I can get along just fine without Tom Hanks and that other warrior Brad Pitt.
This was a great movie. I remember watching it mesmerized when I was a kid. My Dad never would talk about his service or wounds. But his Brother was in Patton's Army and he talked about it a lot. Very intriguing for young kids to hear
Patton was a warrior though and through.
Man what a poetic scene!!
Loved this scene.
George C. Scott, he outPattoned Patton and outScrooged Scrooge.
He was a wonderful actor.
And out flim-flammed the flim-flam man 😉
Patton’s real voice will shock people who only have this movie as reference point.
Ha-ha , good one.
He was absolutely magnificent playing Patton. Absolutely magnificent.
Imagine being of such high rank that your adjutant is a colonel.
Patton in a future life: “I love the smell of napalm in the morning! That gasoline smell. It smells like … victory.”
“You know, someday this war is gonna end …”
When you have a general like patton that is not a fear of the German army and there tactics and can always see what the patterns are from the enemy lines and pushing up with there play books and when he gets the word nuts he goes like every one goes to rescue mission and no matter what it takes
funny to see pattons on battle field with German Marks
Those are actually American M47's painted grey. ;)
seeing a pun here
Yea it really bugged me at first because I'm a stickler for historical accuaracy. But then if you read about the production they couldn't find any German tanks because most were destroyed. So they had to use pattons. Kinda understandable
@@DevinAlden what else where they supposed to do in the days before CGI? M47s (and M24 Chaffees masquerading as Sherman's) were used extensively in 'The Battle of the Bulge' (1966). A wildly inaccurate but nonetheless interesting film
In this particular shot, in that angle, it resembles a Tiger II Porsche turret.
When you stick your hand into a bunch of GOO that a moment before was your best friend's face...you'll know what to do.
yep....wash your hand
Now more than ever, America needs more George Patton's and fewer Mark Milley's. God help us all.
Let’s hope Patton’s beliefs are true, and he does return to fix the country.
People like Milley appear as a judgment on our nation. We’re hanging on by our fingertips
Milley brought back the traditional WW2 pinks and greens formal uniforms...
Amen
Milley appears to love jelly donuts more than life.
Patton was a warrior.
away ayeah! a warrior and a terrier! George Patton!
It is a shame that in this great movie zero Shermans are used.
In 1970 it was still possible to do that: Kelly's Heroes, also 1970, used Shermans from the Yugoslavian Army and mock Tiger1 (based on T34's).
Nowadays it is maybe even "easier" to get enough correct (armoured) vehicles, Allied and even German for film
It's double sad because the Spanish army had some Pz IV and Stug III. They were sold to Syria in 1967, but the Spanish Army retained a functional example in the Goloso Tank Museum, which could had been used. Also, the Portuguese still had some Sherman, so they could have brought them for the film.
Still, as you say, nowadays it's easier and people pay more attention. Back in the 70's, a tank was a tank.
It’s a shame you’re so dumb you can’t get the movie wo a period correct hunk of steel.
@@JB-uv4hm It is dumb to talk in such way about people you don't know.. 😉
@@CarLos-yi7ne I can tell you’re a twit by your lack of imagination.
Patton and Lincoln were both gifted with prophetic dreams and thoughts
Never saw anything like that about either of them.
I always took this scene as a signal that Patton knew what was taking place was much larger than most could even comprehend. He was a warrior that could "see". When he felt like he was being fed bullshito by the brass, though he knew to pick his battles, he retaliated we he knew he could prove his point....and he struck hard.
I believe General Patton was assassinated because of what he knew. I don't believe Eisenhower had him killed because he knew the SOB was right. Ike was in a bad situation because he couldn't turn Patton loose even though he knew he had to.
The noble General Patton was seen as a threat to THEM. If he been given the chance to act on what he knew.....you thought MacArthur went batshito in Korea💊! He probably would have formed an alliance, once the cabal agents in both Germany and Russia had been beaten into submission, with the actual soldiers of these countries and carried on the spirit of Alexander The Great.
Read about The Red Snake, The Gates of Alexander and the Wall of Gorgan💊. I bet you the General knew about these things!
You lost me, but I gotta look into this. He knew of the Russian threat or of the strings working the Russians?
@@cleorivas1547 strings working the Russians
01:54 Patton was the only one in the US Army with literally 15 stars. Truly one of a kind!
15 stars?
@@thotarojoestar3045 3 on each collar, 3 on each shoulder board and 3 on the helmet.
Good movie
Patton was war personified! He ate it, drank it, slept it, breathed it, and loved it! He was the ultimate field commander!
He understood marketing and public relations, too...
A favorite saying among Patton's men: "'Ole Blood and Guts' - his guts; our blood."
if he had been on the eastern front, either as a German general or a Russian one, he would of been annihilated quickly.
@@kugellehr I'm sure your experience as a field Commander in rather similar battle conditions is the source of your opinion.
There weren't much in the way of working Panzers after WWII to use for this movie because something like Germany losing the war and most of their Panzer being destroyed or scrapped took place.
Just about my favorite line in the whole movie at 2:30. Kind of describes perfectly how I feel about trading currencies; win or lose.
If I ever teach a class on forex trading, it will start with this video. God help me, I love it too.
God help him he did love it so. Yes he did.
I loved it to.
There are no World War 2 era tanks in this movie, they are all American models, post World War 2. Except for tanks in the newsreels that were spliced in all other tanks were, what else but M47 and M48 Patton tanks!!!
The shallow reaction is “Oh dear, how can he love such bloodshed?” The real point here is that the world needed generals like this to defeat evil, relentless war machines like that of Germany. Sure, Germany already was running out of resources and manpower even before Patton rejoined the fight, but most historians would argue that the war would’ve dragged out longer and cost more lives in the European theater had Patton not slashed his way to Berlin as fast as he did from the west to meet up with Russia from the east and crush the beast.
And yes he did!
ah yes, the famous German Patton tank
American tank design took lots of German qualities late in the war and thereafter as well as English tanks.
A lot of film studios that made World War 2 films in the 60s and 70s couldn't find real German tanks since the Pentagon head them so they had to do with what the US Army could give them
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TANKS OF THE SPANISH ARMY!!!!! This film was filmed in SPAIN. This landscape are the most beautiful of the world.
@@stuff9680 Yet Kelly's Heroes at least made the attempt to replicate the Tiger tank.
Patton is a big reason why I unironically believe in reincarnation.
The Janus gateways ....the scene with the arches in it ....their taking the piss out of Patton.
I'm sure it would have been nice to have some German tanks for this movie, but WWII kind of destroyed the Panzerwaffe.
Finally someone who gets it.
Nice of you to post that poem, Christopher. Reincarnation is the only thing that makes this reality sensible.
You're welcome.
Imaginary
Perhaps that specific reality. But reality itself is determined by God. We don't get multiple realities. As a man, Jesus had but ONE reality. He gave it all, for us.
@@michaelbee2165 Get back to me when religion speaks true and not before. Your version of God condemns trillions of good souls to a hell, and such a god as yours isn’t mine.
@@alainarchambault2331 Forgiveness is available to all who seek it, one need only repent of their sins with their whole body and soul.
War is a drug
I didn’t know the Wehrmacht had any m35 deuce and a half’s either.
Same thing about the dream!
I think this if the scene of the aftermath where both sides' tanks ran out of gas as they met each other the night before and engaged in a point blank head-to-head tank battle..
i bet that patton didnt know that tank would be named after him.
I bet he wouldn't have given a hoot. Unless it were really really good oh, and I don't know enough about the Patton tank
Where is he when we need him?
He would be run out of the politically correct military of the today unfortunately.
we have Mattis now. Exactly equal military expertise, equally competent, equally badass, even share similar facial features, only more quiet
Six feet under, in Luxembourg City.
He will rise again when the time is right
reincarnated in the form of General James "Mad Dog" Mattis
No more brother wars
It is beautiful, and horrible.
It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it.
i was just about to say that : Robert E Leee
@NO MA'AM PrefixTHX thats nonesense. Humans die. Humans fight. Humans hurt each other with or without war. At least in battle there is some glory to it. If you felt shame for doing your job then maybe war is just not your scene and maybe the combative arm of the army was not the right place for you to serve. But there will always be those willing to fight, and there will always be a need for them and so we had better embrace it all and admire the thinking, planning, technology, and valor that goes into rather then worrying over these foolish morale concepts. The concept that a human life is so infinitely valuable that the destruction of it, no matter then reason, is always unwarranted.
@@whispofwords2590 Defense of our family is FAR above the value of our own life. Trivializing the value of that human life is NOT why Jesus came to redeem us.
Google: _Napoleon's withdrawal from Russia_ by Adolph Northen (1851)
This movie has already outlived the 3 rd reich
Combined with the fact it was very difficult to find proper vehicles to be used for the movie's shooting, I think they intentionally made the puns of putting Patton tanks in both German and Allies, in a movie about Patton.
See? :v
They would have used whatever tanks were available, and since they filmed in Spain, they used what the Spanish Army had.
There are few working M4's in the world. Other nations may have them but lending them for movies would not go, cost of shipping etc.
If Patton was like this, I'd say he was a bit off center upstairs.
You have to be a bit crazy to enjoy it.
When Patton was a young officer he killed two Mexican officers with his pistol in a gunfight in a bar, he was a warrior all his life. You need people who enjoy war if you want to win it, you can have the peace loving hippies and the crybabies on the front. You want the guys who are joking and smiling and talking about how they get erections in the middle of gunfights from the adrenaline. It seems fucked up at first glance, but in war you need fucked up people to win in a fucked up situation.
'Like your name, Eloi. Is there any real evidence that he said that? I've read Farago's biography more than once, and I do not remember that statement. Remember Robert E Lee's statement ? "It is good that war is so terrible. We would grow too fond of it. "
The carts he was dreaming about from reading about Napoleon and now seeing the Germans actually using them is a revelation to him. And the way the script was written so that it reveals how vivid Patton's dream of the carts was...."the nightmare in the snow, the endless agonizing retreat from Moscow. How cold it was. He took the wounded and what was left of the supplies and threw it in the carts. Napoleon was finished. Not any color left, not even the red of blood. Only snow."
Patton felt the agony of the retreat , the cold and the snow as he describes it from reading about this battle from Napoleon . He recalls this vividly and the carts. This is a revelation to him as he recalls it and sees it so vividly. That's why "He loves it so" and loves it more than his life.
You know, the pictures of the battlefield are interesting but it’s totally Hollywood because you don’t see the body parts in the blood all over from when these vehicles were blown up. I’ve never been in a war, I can’t imagine it, but I feel sorry for those who have. God bless our soldiers, keeping us safe
You've never been in a war, but you make an assumption about how it would look...
-War is Hell. . .as the .man sai#
Is that an actual quote from Patton? The "loving it" part?
might have been Coppola's screenwriting...
@@robrobrob73 it actually was a Patton quote I finally found it
It was very strange to me to see not-WW2 tanks in this movie
Haven't seen much from before 1998, eh?
@@GeneralJackRipper indeed, I haven’t seen a lot of movies in general and hardly any made before the year 2000
Was it common to use more readily available vehicles in films in place of their historical counterparts?
@@GeneralJackRipper And you landed on the year 1998 how?
@@randbarrett8706 Sorry I missed your comment.
Yes, it was extremely common to use whatever vehicles were available rather than historically accurate examples.
It's a modern day phenomenon we see this push towards rescuing and restoring old vehicles.
@@michaelbee2165 Saving Private Ryan is probably the first war movie most people have ever seen nowadays.
And the Tigers in that movie were actually chopped up T-34's.
BUT! They did manage a real Sherman or two.
what battle is this supposed To be
M47 Patton. But what gun?? Its not the 90mm. The muzzle brake is wrong. Could it be the L7 105 mm??
Those are modernized Spanish M47E2 Patton tanks with a Rheinmetall RH-105 105mm gun. Were taken off the registry in 1993, but the bridge launcher version, that's still in service.
🙄 what a COMPLETE missing of the point. No, it's more if an intentional missing of the point.
Sundowner:
Patten killed by are own NAS
In this dialogue Patton recognizes the defeat of Napoleon by the russians. In that sense he always despised soviets for snatching greater victories over the germans than the entire US Army deployed in Europe. After all he being a true warrior like he thought of himself, he only had other western commanders to compare. All of them over cautious. And thats the general feeling in the entire movie. Patton making a bigger splash than anybody. Because the soviets were doing so every week. Thats why he had to take Palermo without orders. Assault Brolo at a huge cost. Make that 100 mile plus march over Bastogne. And felt cheated out of his chance for glory when ordered to leave Berlin to the soviets. But to some all these side events in the movie are not relevant. Think again.
Well that's one heck of a comment.
He loves it more than your life as well.
Does anyone know what battle this is based on?
It's a loose representation of the end of Patton's drive through Lorraine. I don't think it's based of any specific engagement.
@@GeneralJackRipper thank you
I always believed it was Falaise.
What battle was this?
It's more of a symbolic representation of his advance through France into the Lorraine region. The Germans threw everything they had at him to stop him penetrating the Siegfried line before winter.
He loved it more than a lot of lives. "His guts. Our blood."
Definitely not your blood!
@@xchen3079 or yours. My uncle was with Patton in Sicily.
I heard about it from an eyewitness. How about you?
He actually had less casualties than almost any other commander...especially MaCarthur
Sure he loves it, because he doesn't have to fight in it
Except he did, idiot.
Ah yes, general Patton, famous for not having to fight in World War 2.
It’s not a Sherman, it’s an M47.
Uh huh.
This is the scene I keep thing about after every Russian tank defeat in Ukraine
"That guy is NUTS!" - Indiana Jones
A Patton tank is not German
Really?! I had no idea! My gosh!
The whole communist regime is mine for the taking :) HAHAHA
WHY DO WE GLORIFY MAN's Self-destructive tendencies ?
"It makes no difference what men think of war," said the judge. "War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner."
- Cormac McCarthy
@@GeneralJackRipper Who is Carmac McCarthy, and who is the 'judge?' Is GOD the judge? If not, then the quote comes from fallible men.
The movie as a whole is a hokey joke. No mention of Patton's loathing for jews in the entirety of the flick. No mention of anything that might make talmudists feel uncomfortable. This particular scene is good.
Okay genius, feel free to write your own Patton movie. Then go cry in your cereal when everyone says it's cringe-worthy nonsense.
This is one of the best war films of all time. F*ck off.
look at that sherman tank!
It's not a Sherman, it's an M47 Patton tank.
Geesh, he's started that up again?
GUYS DID YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK. I FEEL LIKE SOMEONE SHOULD MENTION IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! BECAUSE IT'S NOT. OH HOW COULD SOMEONE NOT ALREADY HAVE MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT IT'S NOT A REAL GERMAN TANK! AND WE SHOULD MENTION THAT THE GERMAN TANKS IN THIS MOVIE AREN'T REAL GERMAN TANKS, UNDER EVERY VIDEO OF THIS MOVIE INVOLVING THE FAKE GERMAN TANKS! BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL! THEY'RE NOT REAL GERMAN TANKS! THEY'RE FAKE!
Thank goodness.
@@GeneralJackRipper PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION TO REMAKE THIS MOVIE WITH REAL GERMAN TANKS AND THE CORPSE OF GEORGE C. SCOTT
Thank you for trivializing the deaths of thousands upon thousands of American and Allied war deaths and their graves, both in Europe and here at home and throughout our history. For if these "ARE NOT REAL GERMAN TANKS" then the sacrifice and the honor with which these men died is CLEARLY nothing more than a myth. 🙄. Despite your efforts to the contrary, those men were mortally and savagely wounded and torn apart for your right to vomit such a horrific thing. To do so over such a trivial point misses the entire matter here. It could only take such a shallow, and lacking in courage monster as yourself to evade the grasp of the horror portrayed. There are many like yourself, today, who seek to diminish the valor of those who sacrificed all. Btw, that includes the average Joe Wermacht who was drafted into the hell of Normandy or the Eastern front. But we reserve that honor for our American and Allied dead who gave all. It is written into our American consciousness and will NEVER be removed. One day, your grave will be pissed upon by cattle and goats. Human beings will not be permitted to do so because it would be a senseless tossing away of perfectly good human waste.
If all of a sudden, at that very moment, Patton had to face 400,000 German troops recently transported from Norway, along with 100,000 from both the Balkans & Italy, another 20,000 from both Denmark & Czechoslovakia, including another 400,000 either transferred from or meant for the Eastern Front, then those extra 900,000 or so German Soldiers/tank divisions, supplied with sufficient gasoline (all with the intent of capturing that which belonged to the Americans as well), would no doubt smash right through the weak spots in the American lines, wreak widespread havoc, inflict tremendous damage & destruction, destroy thousands of Sherman tanks, seriously wound/kill/capture at least 100,000 of Patton's men, pulverize & shatter the morale of the US troops, & then push the rest of the 3rd Army back at least 50 miles, if not more, all while drawing at least 10-15 divisions away from General Hodges Army, THUS placing the entire 12th Army Group on the Defensive (by that point quite outnumbered). Hypothetically speaking! Yet how would Patton contend with such an unexpected, shocking & devastating scenario??
Lol, wut?
@@GeneralJackRipper Far fetched & highly improbable, YES, yet still a scenario (or this close enough one, viability wise, thereof) that, with the right planning, secrecy, intelligence, speed, overall unit to unit coordination & sufficient logistics on the part of the Germans, could have transpired ((merely hypothetical, & based upon what I know of all the availability of remaining German units during that period of The War!))😀😀😊😊👊👊
Lol, wut?
Those numbers are way off, don't know how you came up with them but they are not factual.