Should We Strip GPs of the Right to Sign People Off Sick from Work?
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- The Prime Minister will say today that we need to end what he calls 'a sick note culture', with more of a focus on getting people back to work. Part of it will be to take the responsibility for issuing sick notes away from doctors.
Businessman, Charlie Mullins and and Dr. Emeka Okorocha debate.
Broadcast on 19/04/24
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Who's more qualified than a doctor to sign people off? 🤔
Politicians seem to think themselves
*-Why do young men not want to work?-*
*Why do young men not want to live?*
(The biggest killer of young men in the UK under 40, is they decide to take their own lives!)
MPs apparently
Some robots sitting in jobcentre, dwp , AI system and ofcourse TORY POLITICIANS. They are more qualified than doctors 😂
@@bfolks2250 that seems the way its heading
Would recommend this Charlie fella get his mental health checked, given that he seems to think it's a good idea to leave the house looking like a melted wax scarecrow.
🤣🤣 spot on!
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Right 😂
He looks scary AF
I need a mental health check after seeing it 😮
I wonder who I should take health advice from? A haggard old man who’s made himself look like Shirley off eastenders or a handsome, healthy and athletic GP? I wonder 🤔
"Shirley" that's priceless
Shirley of Eastenders 😂😂
I thought it was Shirley!
Good god, someone buy Charlie a mirror. Can’t take him seriously looking like that.
How does it benefit anyone if a single person infects an entire office with an illness?
Exactly
Mental health services are stretched, the Conservative government shut down many essential services, this is the backlash
Is this after the labour government destroyed the economy leave barely any funds for any health service???🤔
History keeps repeating itself doesn’t it.
Labour started the shut down... they were stretched ion 2005 too
@@insomniacbritgaming1632
Really? When labour were in you could see a GP in two days. Not sure where you get your info, or do you just make it up?
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 I worked in the sector at that time and you are talking nonsense.
@@boota1979 That's all they do, still...STILL trying to blame Labour who haven't been in government for 12 years. Nobody's falling for it anymore, the tories take zero responsibility for anything they ever do even after 12 years in power.
This Charlie guy is an embarrassment.
He is right though. 2.5 million signed off !!!
You won't find it very funny when the patient , runs in the work place of is head schizophrenic, trying to do every one in because he's been signed off.
they need to sort the nhs out then.
@@lynnecromack4933 Well if that is what he signed of to pay for that surgery, he's been robbed. LOL
@lynnecromack4933 So, your argument is 2.5 million off sick for few days, weeks etc out of 67 million is too high. You are not at all concerned that 2.5
million are genuinely are
struggling and need to get well so they can become and stay financially independent long term?
Charlie went to his hairdressers and asked for rod stewart, but he started bleating about brexit and the disabled so they gave him a vera duckworth hair cut out of spite. Then botoxed his face for good measure.
You work for these people, I don't. And I never will work for the likes of that. 💀
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And what about those painted on eyebrows? 🤣🤣
@@chrysalis4126 😅
The fact this is even being discussed is a disgrace. Picking on the most vulnerable people, who they made worse by isolating and jagging.
If we had a functioning NHS, we might not be in this situation.
Why are GP's the people to decide if someone is fit for work. Its because they have studied medicine for 7 years. They can determine if someone is well or not. If not them then who?..Who else can look at someone and make such a serious decision. Certainly not the bigots and the haters on you tube
Considering you need medical equipment to check people's vitals and an understanding of the body I'm not sure DWP would know how to check BP let alone anything else , they tell us to eat healthy and yet (sorry to bring this up) allow ones in who end up working in fast food outlets
Apparently it's up to these work coaches to decide if your fit or not. Joke.
Really? Who r these GPS signing people off cos Ive never come across any. Maybe Charlie’s the reason his staff is going off sick?
When you are then you lot would know
As someone diagnosed with schizophrenia, this video surely reinforces the shame i feel for being unable to hold down a job. Id give anything to live a normal life like mr plastic fantastic here. Being unemployed is lonely and depressing
I know, this is terrible what they're trying to do
Lonely? I thought schizophrenics were never lonely.
I’m kidding, my cousin was diagnosed and used to joke “At least I’ll never be lonely, and neither will I”
@user-fr1uk9nt2k Please do not feel shame for having an illness!!! The problem is no one give a toss, we need more love, empathy and understanding in this world, instead of this I'm alright jack attitude. No one knows when they will be ill or suffer from mental health issues. Peace and Love to You.
Try Niacin combined with vitamin c mega dose.
Most people are depressed because of obnoxious employers like this guy
Remember Charlie's forced his staff to have the jab
He didn't force his staff to have the jab. He could've mandated it for new recruits but that's it. His workers were under no legal obligation to take it.
No...if people are sick and need a few days then the doc should be able to sign them off.
this is about people with long term chronic illness who are on e.s.a not the flu ect
The only thing more stretched than the NHS is Charlie's skin. His plastic surgeon needs to take a few days off
Or phone in sick LOL
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Getting a billionaire businessman stating "Monday and Friday illnesses", generalising sickness is dangerous. Having had time off with anxiety this is terrible. What a pointless idea Sunak is proposing. RIdiculous
Shame on this government while they spend millions millions war's that's hot nothing to do with Britain
_The danger is that are you giving the responsibility of signing people off sick from work to unqualified individuals, and therefore practising medicine. Now, who has responsibility when someone is injured or god forbid, dies, from a refusal to sign someone off? That's going to cost a lot more in lawsuit, and likely force the proposals to go back to the GPs._
the problem is going to be that the medical proffesionals they get to do the assesments are going to b getting paid by the group that loses income if they give the sick note and have no regard really for the health of the individual involved
@@andrewmcewan8081 _The finanical bias there is worrying; agreed._
Can we please start taxing people for plastic surgery. They must have taken days off work for that!
Plastic rod Stewart.
So it is THE PANDEMIC PLUMBER!
Never met a poor plumber.
Lol
Sunak wants to make us like America. No paid sick days, no paid holiday days and private healthcare companies. When he was chancellor he had a meeting with US private healthcare companies and he also had a green card. For all he says he is proud of this country he wants us to be like the USA.
Is that Zelda off Terra hawks?
How many companies would hire someone who has a disability and has been inactive for a number of years? According to Duncan Smith’s views under call me Dave’s government if you can press a button you can do some type of work where are these type of jobs that don’t require training/ qualifications etc? Phillip Davis would make them work for less than the minimum wage probably just sitting on view for people to sneer at no doubt. The small mercy I can cling to is my late mother won’t have to go through the indignity of having to justify her inability to work because these scumbags would tip her out of her wheelchair if they could get away with it.
Ha ha! I was wondering who he reminded me of.
@@philipcrossley1279 at first I thought Shirley off Eastenders but she’s a double for Zelda anyway 😂
For crying out loud, now the government are explicitly saying a GPs judgement on their patients fitness to work can not be trusted.
So they'll give the decision making to someone who has a vested interest in making their sick employees go to work, regardless.
What do they think is responsible for the majority of worker absence in the first place?
They already do that with pip and they then take pip off the people who really need it. They recently did a reassessment on my very disabled friend. This is the only benefit claimed, (her husband works) and put in the report her voice "sounded hostile" when in actuality she is partially deaf (around 80% on one side) and the audiologist says she cannot balance her voice due to the hearing loss. She's since had her audiology appointment and had different hearing aids fitted, which helped her hear more but her voice tone is fine anyway, nothing hostile about it, if anything she's timid when it comes to this stuff because they dragged her over the coals last time with untrue stuff. This time, they're turning someone's voice note due to a disability - if it was there at all - and fear of being humiliated again into their feelings.
@@ChrisAndCats The very assessments that actually cost more to deliver than they save!!!
They got the working week to 40 hrs , the guy that came up with the 8 work 8 leisure 8 sleep a day = 24hrs , so people lived right next to their workplace and had no travel time ? , if you have to travel 30 mins on a crowded road rail or street each way that eats in to your leisure time , 30 mins lunch break also eats into leisure time so its really 8 work 8 sleep 6.5 leisure 1.5 grey area , two days off weekend one for Sabbath and family time , they now have stores open 24 hrs where staff have to work shifts and weekends and are trying to take away any extra workers get for working weekends and the Sabbath hence the attempt to breakaway from Christianity , when non Christians came to UK they opened on Sundays which is why the govt started Sunday as a working day , the people lost out not only in a day of rest but getting paid double time or time and a half for working weekends or Sundays , yet employers are moaning about min wage when they get away with not paying double or time and a half for weekends , single parents on benefits could work a Sunday (if parents looked after the kids) and it didn't affect their benefits , of course there are some who just won't work for the British govt although living in Britain ,
@@boota1979 I wouldn't be at all surprised.
@@ChrisAndCats It's common knowledge, the Tories have been at war with the people of this country for 14 years, to their eternal shame. Every thing they have done against the people of this country is a choice not a need.
The issue isn't that more people are getting sick - it's that we have absolutely no health service to help people get better at the moment, so people stay sick for longer.
If they just invested in the NHS, it would actually help some of this.
Preventative medicine is not a thing in the UK.
Spot on.
No, no, work conditions should be improved and better paid work.
More like end the curroption of the tories
Hmm. ok here's one I'm a disabled veteran, now what GMB? Do you support me (lol yeah right) as I'm a veteran injured in service or not because I'm disabled and therefore some form of scrounger?
Vulnerable and easy target for them to push folk further into misery to line their pockets further. They divide and rule.
That is the truth and I have met veterans that are sick mentally and there is no effective help
Charlie the guy who mass sacked his british worker and hired forigen workers, and still voted for brexit, the man is a disaster
As working conditions deteriorate and wages fall against inflation, as the cost of living sky rockets, starving people back to work is the tory solution. After all, it worked with the nurses. It's the old "taking back control" that Brexiteers were promised. Once the Tories achieve their dream and get us out of the ECHR the slavery act will no doubt be repealed.
Hay everyone look at the Ill and poor people taking all your money how dare they
Oh we just need 8 billion to help my friends tho - the real hard workers🤬 hate this government
it's not about people who are genuinely ill... people get sick notes for anxiety...
And have you ever suffered with anxiety?
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 you're so out of touch
@@bereal6590 not really... I've got severe chronic back pain, some days I struggle to get up and out of bed... yet I go to work every day, yet some absolute wet wipes say they can't work because they're anxious or stressed... WE'RE ALL ANXIOUS AND STRESSED
@@leighannclements7849 strangely enough, yes... and I still manage to go to work full time
On the few times i have been to see my GP for a serious condition, i have never seen the same doctor twice. My surgery is staffed by part-time locums only
How else would those of us in serious need of time off work for health issues be able to get permission?? Chronic back pain from endometriosis makes life hard for me and sometimes it gets so bad I can't move without pain. I'd be expected to work through that without being signed off!
So who's more qualified to sign you off work then?
No one they want to be able to have people who are employed by the DWP to decide, so they can threaten them to not sign people off or they will be signing beside them.
@@grosom31 For sure, it's another Tory joke
This is what happens when you order a Rod Stewart from Vinted .
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What in the Rod Stewart knock off..
This is going to impact people like myself ,I have very bad mental health diagnosed from childhood and I do know people play on being ill and there needs to be change but I have months where I just can't function and neglect myself and have to fight with myself not to hurt myself or worse and I find the medacl assesment sooo stressful but now I'm going to be a whole lot more stressed and find it a whole lot more difficult to cope with and I'm sorry but there's little to no support for someone with very bad mental health,I have been trying to get help and support for a long time but there is no long term help or support at all
Did his face melt and he still didnt take a day off sick?
I agree vey odd looking plastic surgery and wig😂can’t stand the jobs worth
Rod Stewart Melt !!!
Has that tool ever tried to access mental health services?
Of the NHS or even to get to see a doctor for a physical illness as well!
Charlie book another facelift and get off the telly 🙄
The issue is how are these people going to get jobs? Seems like a big risk for an employer to train someone who could have an "episode" at any time and either be signed off or forced to quit? What support is available to the mentally ill people when they need to wait over a year just to get to the assessment stage of therapy? Do we really think lobbing them off to the DWP is the answer? Good luck. lol
Billionaire Brexiteer says we can't afford stuff because he and his Millionaire Brexit chums know how real people live. We are all poorer thanks to his and his mates disasterous Brexit.
Nah, we're all poorer because the world got shut down for 2 years in March 2020.
I'm only making 1/3 of what I did in 2019 and I'm one of hundreds of millions worldwide.
The sanctions on russian energy has done more damage to UK economy than brexit.
@@MakaRonMcPasta That's on you that you're making that much. Newsflash - the lockdown ended years ago, how about taking some responsibility for a change.
@@jakereevesward4562 the lockdown BS doubled national debt, there is no getting over that. Nobody with a functioning brain calls 18-24 months 'years ago' either.
@@jakereevesward4562you sound like somebody who has never struggled in their life.
The reason it's increasing because people are getting more sick. We've had COVID it's excess deaths and also health issues increased due to it
There weren't any excess deaths from c19 and the majority of them were the elderly and people with a co morbidity. The excess deaths came after people were injected with an unknown substance.
Improve mental health provision before anything else. Dont forget this Charlie wanted to force his employees to receive the Covid jab or not work for him .. not the best placed to give a view worth listening to.
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Who can actually get a gp appointment these days?
Well already: the final word on "fit notes" has been "outsourced" to a private sector company; while the political class has continually cut funding to to the NHS and other social programs (they don't use) while exporting billions to who knows where? While who is more qualified than a doctor (with seven years of student debt) to judge health matters? While if the private sector want more people to work for them: one problem is billionaire company owners (who must be either charging too much, or offering poor terms and conditions) and companies that avoid tax, or give politicians things.
I've had three jobs in three years; one paying minimum wage for night shift hotel work and still the company went bankrupt; another plugged into a computer (saying do this, do that); another (hotel) flooded for the second time, bailed out and just lease the place now. No job security; poor wages; while someone on average wage won't be buying the average priced house, no wonder people are sick; what's in it for them? (While how much money does this man want/need?).
This government and it's corporate sponsors are rather exploitative; I believe they've sold us out; they've given Charlie all the money and he wants more. If they want people to work hard then the people need something to work for, that's where their "culture" needs to change. Meanwhile the piddling problems of millionaires and billionaires don't interest me.
Dignity and pride Sunak does not pay the bills, put food on the table and clothes on ones back.
A decent salary does all of latter.
The workers are not being subsidised by the tax payer the employers are.
If workers received a proper living wage they would not require a benefit top up therefore the tax payer pays nothing.
Employers are the very peoole who are being subsidised as they do not provide a fair days pay for a fair days work.
Employers pretend to provide a decent salary and the citizens will pretend to work.
If i was a GP ide be fuming at Sunak because hes telling
them they're not fit to do their job.
So if GP,s cant sign people off when they desperately need it, who can?
While Alcohol abuse is fine.
It depends on the reason for your sicknote however I don't have to have an appointment any longer for sick notes, I just phone the GP and pick up my line.
Yes a rich businessmen who may or may not be paying their full share of taxes to decide for the rest of the country!
As a GP I'd like to hear the A&E doctor's view on the best way to pressurise a water system. Get rid of the gravitational tank?
Why doesn't he stamp out giving mps family back handers ?
I used to get signed off then i got diagnosed with autism. Now im back at work and just get help on the side.
If i wasnt signed off no one would've known there was something wrong and after signing me off the doctor refered to get an assessment.
past time this tory government was binned
Can people start logging online when they think they are going to suffer strokes, heart attacks, autoimmune failures, etc and name the doctors surgery, the HR administrators, the leadership teams and the corrupt govt. ministers who can be held responsible for untimely deaths.
Getting people back to work... sort the NHS out and fund it so it functions as it should. Why do people think a Business man has any incentive or right or qualification to talk about the public's health... Arrogant and Narssastic. Also the question how do we get them to work? it just assumes the majority of people don't want to work... its a mental, egotistical idea really is.
Charlie the Covid Cheerleader 😂
What GP’s? I can’t even get a doctor most days.
Charlie needs to be signed of sick for that face melting of him.
The services ( such as job centres) in general are not equipped to a better return to work.
Some are actually actively looking for employment, and employers just dont take you.
Someone with a hammer, everything will look like a nail. The problem is the partiality of the medical assessors, as the controversey over work capability assessments has shown.
Assessors get bonusses which creates bias.
face-lift he still thinks he 18 🤡🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How bad was this guys normal look?!?... Seems to be an expert on people with mental health issues...
Chucky Charlie the plastic doll
Mr Pimlico! All his staff are self employed. If they’re sick and don’t show up for work they don’t get paid and his customers go ape. The whole work/ life equation has to be looked at. Some jobs are over demanding and some are under demanding. I’ve been there. Over worked one week then under worked the next with both situations being as bad as the other
Someone has been to Turkey….
And it's not gone well 😂😂
Your super smart guess forced his employees to get the jab?
How did that work out?
From which survey does Charlie know this who has he gone and checked out to know that's what people are doing I think it's a case of some that are trying to get that to work by just saying it is. Including the government
How many hours a week does William work??????
NO
Lol the botox plumber called in to bleat about sick days...
Politicians should see and treat patients straight away. Forget about experts/doctors 😂
Charlie just sees the rest of us as economic units only good for the work he can squeeze out of them and then cast them aside as soon as they're no longer useful.
Remember Charlie has a face that tells you all you need to know about his decedent lifestyle.
Rod Stewart’s just walked into a glass door.
Wow, what a great person to discuss such a serious matters. Why did you make this about mental health and not general illness?
If we do concentrate on mental health, if you want people brought back to health, you need to provide them with genuine support which just is not available to most people.
A health professional can diagnose a person with health issues, but there is no pathway back to health which needs to be addressed first.
The real issue with this plan, is the number of patients that will have to see these new individuals and of course it will be done by a PRIVATE, (for profit) company, that will not hit targets etc. Just like all the other private contracts that have been set up to improve the state systems.
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cant the doctors secretary do it god knows they know everything else the doctor doesn't
Why is Charlie on talking about this
He looks like he's asked a plastic surgeon to make him look like Barry Manilow.
Amazing, a businesses man telling us why we should not be sick.
I know when I was doing shifts, I couldn't manage that much happy after a night shift. The man is super human.
Sucide rates bout to rocket good ole rishi freemason
Something thatz not being said.. Most people these days DO NOT GET PAID while off sick.. most people work from home these days and work even if they are not well. Whats Sunak and the govts excuse for not doing their work..none of them are fit for purpose and its not because of illness.
The unelected Prime Minister should let the British people decide on his unelected policies at a general election. Call it now.
Why do we have Charlie Mullins talking against a doctor. Does Mullins need the advertising that much. He knows nothing about health all he wants is to work his workers into the ground. I’m sure a qualified doctor knows more than the other three people sitting in this so called interview.
Maybe if people weren’t doing 2/3 people’s jobs they wouldn’t end up off sick
Seriously accusing drs of what exactly...they train in the job for years.
Well put Dr Emeka👌
Dont allow the Government to dictate what you can do Dr come to Australia we need you
All this idea is likely to accomplish i punish a vast honest sick people to punish a very few cheats, causing a huge amount of misery and who will be able to write sick notes if not doctors. The mind boggles. Probably a group of people with no idea who is sick and who isn't but paid to say people are well even if they clearly aren't.
disgusting behaviour picking on disability benefits my god
We all have mental health just the same as physical health but not everyone has mental illness.
No, they are the only Dr's who can make that decision as they are medical professionals. NIT THE GOVERNMENT. HOW DEAR HE,
If you can manage to get an appointment with a GP you’re a lot healthier than you think you are.
Certain People who work in private sector who can only get statutory sick pay i think it’s about £116 a week now try and live off that while your sick still our money grabbing expenses grabbing mp’s are all right as for the plebs work till you drop
Seems to me these days post COVID, mental health is now the new bad back. Few people dare to challenge anything for fear of ridicule.
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No ! It's the doctors who diagnose and should know the patient best and should make that decision.Perhaps they need to be less lenient and send the person for further assessment if needed just like you have to see someone before you get a blue badge or update of one. People should be given health support rather than sick notes where there is an opportunity to do so.