I don't think that lifting the body in the air on toes (4.53) corrects the flat D in altisimo Boehm clarinet, but right pinky Eb helps. On Oehler there's no lift in the air (6.05), just because it's tempered.
@@ganglimyeo We Germans are a strange people, everybody knows that ... hahaha. I play both, and I like Boehm clarinets. They are much simpler and smarter constructed. And much cheaper. The sound ist is a matter of taste, Oehler clarinets are better for classical music and alpine folk in my opinion.
@@matzel2001 oh i mean german clarinet is the best idea if you are a classical clarinetist but strangely noone seems quite interested. Good for us because we play both😆😆 hahaha
@@IsaacW. i am with you about the difficulties of learning a German system clarinet and the thing is this. the problem of a boehm system clarinet is not the sound. It is the inaccurate pitch of the system itself and you can actually hear that difference if you do the direct comparison with german and boehm system and a perfectly pitched sources like a digital piano or a midi audio. And then you will be the one who knows the truth about the cunning deception of the boehm system clarinet industry. I am gonna make a video on it soon.
I didn't hear much difference between the two. I would have appreciated a discussion of the differences between the two for the player. Is the Oehler clarinet the same as the Albert clarinet?
Due to the wider cane, the sound on Boehm's clarinet squeaks on high notes. At the same time, Ohler's clarinet sounds softer even on the lower register.
Not only that I am impressed as you manage both systems amazingly, you are a true master in playing the instument and I thank you for posting this video. I grew up in germany and learnt to play the oehler.. Now I live in Australia and i cannot find a band or orcestra that would take me in because of not playing the right clarinet. I am devastated.
Oh I appreciate so much for your compliment and I know that they just don't deserve you in their band cause we all know that the boehm system is out of tune and the Öhler system isn't.
Thank you for this rare demo. Perhaps people don't want to hear that German is obviously better, especially for classical. How can you not prefer that sweet, compact, woody sound.
oehler vs boehm in terms of tone is still strictly based on people's preferences. I also believe that boehm system's fingering is objectively better and intonation is no longer such an issue as well on boehm
It is not just the keys and fingering that are different between the German (Oehler) and the French (Boehm). Major differences are: A. size of the bore, B. the mouthpiece design approach, C. barrel design, D. size of holes. German manufacturer Wurlitzer produces Reform-Boehm system clarinets, that use French fingering (and they improved even on that), but produce superior sound of the German clarinet.
in greek and eastern european/ middle eastern traditional and folk music the Oehler/ Albert system is the norm, as well as in dixieland, gypsy jazz and swing, so they hold their places well and us greeks are waaayyy more familiar with that system contrary to the Boehm system which is played only by classical clarinetists, and since we have extremely poor classical tradition in contrary to extremely rich folkisch tradition, and a very strong lean into jazz too, it's all Oehler/ Albert system here.
Thank you very much! Your video is very helpful and as an Asian, I suppose you are unbiased ;-) As a composer I must say that the German Clarinet is sounding significantly better, it is like the difference between a fine Guarneri Violin and and a good instrument from another violin maker. The sound is warmer and much more touching. And I do not say that because I am German, I closed my eyes while listening. That is a bit a dilemma as composer, as the French system is much more common internationally. But now I understand the "battle" between the proponents of each system.
@@ganglimyeo You are welcome! By the way you played very beautiful on the German system clarinet, very touching and that is the point about music in my opinion.
In my humble opinion the german or Albert System clarinet has a powerful, clear and sweet sound. Have you heard the SELMER R.I. three pads in a row played by Evan Christopher? Give it a try.
I myself am a Bassoonist and love the sound of the German way better (Oehler and Heckel). German instruments to me just sound way better in general for winds and brass. If I was playing with a Clarinet player then I would prefer the German system and sound quality to match with the Bassoon.
Hi. I found this video today, and I have this following question: My right pinky finger wouldn't bend easy at all, so in practice, I have to play with a stiff right hand pinky, and I find it very hard to do. Is the Oehler system easier to manage? Don't mind the different fingering. I can still learn something in me 73'th year 👍
I didn't see a comment about this, but there was no Boehm clarinet example of the Mendelssohn Scherzo in the video. I would have been interested to have heard the difference for you playing that on the Boehm clarinet, because of the technical aspect of it. Great video!
Вы играете на обеих системах! Круто! Сильно отличаются? Можете мне апликатуру немецкого кларнета прислать? Инструмент есть но материала по этой системе нет у нас он не распространен...
Those saying the German system is superior should remember that it is a matter of taste. In the 19th century, it was the brighter sound of the French system that was more popular, and in the mid-twentieth century the now largely extinct English clarinet was a very popular sound, which is somewhere between the two. Personally, I prefer the French sound. Nice playing, btw!
German clarinet - in this comparison - is clearly superior and when comparing to other instruments the difference would be a real fortune in price - eg. violins.
Hey, where did you get that ligature for your german system clarinet? I also play and haven't been able to find a ligature like that for my german mouthpiece!
But wich is the better? Which is the easiest to learn and to play? What is the good and the bad in each clarinet? A little guide to choose one of them.
Is it true the fingering is very different between the two systems? Which system is more popular around the world? And is one easier to learn than the other?
I’m not a pro or a savy in the matter, but I like the French one specially on the low notes. To me they are warm and nice to my ears. Great video, thank you for sharing and congratulations, you play wonderfully ❤️
For now definitely boehm cause it's quite challenging if i had to do all 12keys and stuff with the key system that i started to learn at about 30 it's just too hard. But when i have some recordings i have to deal with i prefer to go with oehler cause the pitch of boehm is so out
I just started playing clarinet and was disappointed to find that my Böhm clarinet didn’t even match up to a cheap, modern Oehler clarinet that I tried. The German system both sounds better and feels more balanced in the hands when playing. With my Böhm clarinet, I always feel like I am trying to strangle a snake, while the German system has equal movements when playing the side keys.
I think you play much better the German clarinet than the French... is it your clarinet ? the difference is notable and I think you prefer the German system, do you use it most of time ?
Oehler clarinets are hard to play for people with small hands and you need some fork handles. For low E you need both little fingers and a correction flap for exact tuning (only available in expensive high end instruments). The very best and most expensive Oehler clarinets are these: wurlitzerklarinetten.de/?lang=en
matzel2001 okay lets discuss this about the very best Oehler system clarinets. In my opinion Leitner&Kraus clarinets are better in Sound, you can play with such an enormous sound and it still sound warm(with some prächtige), not shrill. I think Wurlitzer clarinets are a limited coming to this, don‘t you think?
To me German system is very weird. It is way too simular to saxophone in my opinion, which in classic music is a no go😆. I agree that it sounds better at some instances, but I wouldn't say the diference is that big. So I swear by Selmer and Buffet
I don't think that lifting the body in the air on toes (4.53) corrects the flat D in altisimo Boehm clarinet, but right pinky Eb helps. On Oehler there's no lift in the air (6.05), just because it's tempered.
It does, but the E flat also helps
The German one is warmer and smoother to my ears. ;-)
French clarinets are absolutely forbidden in German and Austrian professional orchestras.
Way to go german orchestras.
I just don't understand how many orchestras are still good with those out of tune boehm toys hahaha
@@ganglimyeo We Germans are a strange people, everybody knows that ... hahaha. I play both, and I like Boehm clarinets. They are much simpler and smarter constructed. And much cheaper. The sound ist is a matter of taste, Oehler clarinets are better for classical music and alpine folk in my opinion.
@@matzel2001 oh i mean german clarinet is the best idea if you are a classical clarinetist but strangely noone seems quite interested. Good for us because we play both😆😆 hahaha
@@IsaacW. i am with you about the difficulties of learning a German system clarinet and the thing is this.
the problem of a boehm system clarinet is not the sound. It is the inaccurate pitch of the system itself and you can actually hear that difference if you do the direct comparison with german and boehm system and a perfectly pitched sources like a digital piano or a midi audio. And then you will be the one who knows the truth about the cunning deception of the boehm system clarinet industry.
I am gonna make a video on it soon.
@@IsaacW. my god thank you for subscribing IW
Italian pizza, Swiss watch, Spanish guitar, French croissant, German clarinet.
Nailed it!
I didn't hear much difference between the two. I would have appreciated a discussion of the differences between the two for the player. Is the Oehler clarinet the same as the Albert clarinet?
Thumbs up for the cuckoo bird singing in the background :D
The cuckoo sounds best, and after that the German system clarinet! The Boehm sounds shrill in comparison.
Interesting and helpful video. Thanks!
Due to the wider cane, the sound on Boehm's clarinet squeaks on high notes. At the same time, Ohler's clarinet sounds softer even on the lower register.
Not only that I am impressed as you manage both systems amazingly, you are a true master in playing the instument and I thank you for posting this video.
I grew up in germany and learnt to play the oehler.. Now I live in Australia and i cannot find a band or orcestra that would take me in because of not playing the right clarinet. I am devastated.
Oh I appreciate so much for your compliment and I know that they just don't deserve you in their band cause we all know that the boehm system is out of tune and the Öhler system isn't.
O, that's very sad. I hate it when people are so narrow minded. They just have to listen at the way you're playing.
But - you play the best kind of Clarinets ! ( - : Full, sweet, resonant
I wish german were more available. They sound like a perfect fit for blues and jazz
They are.
Thank you for this rare demo. Perhaps people don't want to hear that German is obviously better, especially for classical. How can you not prefer that sweet, compact, woody sound.
oehler vs boehm in terms of tone is still strictly based on people's preferences. I also believe that boehm system's fingering is objectively better and intonation is no longer such an issue as well on boehm
It is not just the keys and fingering that are different between the German (Oehler) and the French (Boehm). Major differences are: A. size of the bore, B. the mouthpiece design approach, C. barrel design, D. size of holes. German manufacturer Wurlitzer produces Reform-Boehm system clarinets, that use French fingering (and they improved even on that), but produce superior sound of the German clarinet.
in greek and eastern european/ middle eastern traditional and folk music the Oehler/ Albert system is the norm, as well as in dixieland, gypsy jazz and swing, so they hold their places well and us greeks are waaayyy more familiar with that system contrary to the Boehm system which is played only by classical clarinetists, and since we have extremely poor classical tradition in contrary to extremely rich folkisch tradition, and a very strong lean into jazz too, it's all Oehler/ Albert system here.
I really like the recordings from Oehler system clarinet players, like Karl Leister, Dieter Klöcker and Sabine Meyer.
Boem sounds louder but oehler sounds more sweet.
Thank you very much! Your video is very helpful and as an Asian, I suppose you are unbiased ;-) As a composer I must say that the German Clarinet is sounding significantly better, it is like the difference between a fine Guarneri Violin and and a good instrument from another violin maker. The sound is warmer and much more touching. And I do not say that because I am German, I closed my eyes while listening. That is a bit a dilemma as composer, as the French system is much more common internationally. But now I understand the "battle" between the proponents of each system.
Oh yeah that is sooo on point Nils thank you for your comment so much😊😊👍👍👍👍
@@ganglimyeo You are welcome! By the way you played very beautiful on the German system clarinet, very touching and that is the point about music in my opinion.
@@ganglimyeoyou're Clarific and Clartastic
In my humble opinion the german or Albert System clarinet has a powerful, clear and sweet sound. Have you heard the SELMER R.I. three pads in a row played by Evan Christopher? Give it a try.
Evan Christopher is fantastic.
I myself am a Bassoonist and love the sound of the German way better (Oehler and Heckel). German instruments to me just sound way better in general for winds and brass. If I was playing with a Clarinet player then I would prefer the German system and sound quality to match with the Bassoon.
thanks for this, you made me buy an oehler clarinet !
The best choice ^^
Just stumbled on to your video. Thanks! Is there a difference in embouchure between the two?
Hi. I found this video today, and I have this following question: My right pinky finger wouldn't bend easy at all, so in practice, I have to play with a stiff right hand pinky, and I find it very hard to do. Is the Oehler system easier to manage? Don't mind the different fingering. I can still learn something in me 73'th year 👍
Which do you prefer?
I didn't see a comment about this, but there was no Boehm clarinet example of the Mendelssohn Scherzo in the video. I would have been interested to have heard the difference for you playing that on the Boehm clarinet, because of the technical aspect of it.
Great video!
But what about jazzz?
"you're too hung up on the goddamn clar-inet!" - Artie Shaw
Dear Ganglim do you have a finger chart of the Oehler System? hugs from Chile
Hey hello this one is the best so far
www.wfg.woodwind.org/clarinet/ocl_alt_1.html
Have fun ~
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Those saying the German system is superior should remember that it is a matter of taste. In the 19th century, it was the brighter sound of the French system that was more popular, and in the mid-twentieth century the now largely extinct English clarinet was a very popular sound, which is somewhere between the two. Personally, I prefer the French sound. Nice playing, btw!
Oh it is superior on the pitch issue and you can hear that only if you have really good ear for the pitch
German clarinet - in this comparison - is clearly superior and when comparing to other instruments the difference would be a real fortune in price - eg. violins.
Hey, where did you get that ligature for your german system clarinet? I also play and haven't been able to find a ligature like that for my german mouthpiece!
Amazon i guess
To get a good mouthpiece or ligature u go to music store especially for clarinet, not buying in Amazon
I have one by Vandoren! I bought it from a wind/brass instrument store, but you could get it on Thomann. It's just very expensive. :E
Whats the difference between a French and German Bb Clarinet Mouthpiece?
How can you tell how old a clarinet is?
But wich is the better? Which is the easiest to learn and to play? What is the good and the bad in each clarinet? A little guide to choose one of them.
Is it true the fingering is very different between the two systems? Which system is more popular around the world? And is one easier to learn than the other?
The bohem is more common across the world (at least where I live). Hope that helps (:
The fingering on ohler is more like a flute that u learn on the first years of school. I think for me that the boehm is more easier and more popular
German Clarinet is the way to go, however, it could be the particular French clarinet he is playing....
I'm playing also german. But in many cases the boehm clarinet has the much better fingerings. F.e. high c...
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Have you play tested the vandoren b40d on the boehm clarinet ? Better than b40 ? Thanks
I haven't used b40d so i don't know anything about it sorry ~
내 귀엔 블라블라블라...
Bună, pe un clarinet germany style se poate canta orice gen de muzica?
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Hi,are any difference between mouthpieces ,reds?works for bouh types of clarinets?
Yep, mouthpieces and reeds are quite different.
@@laughoutgoudo1084 you can actually
@@laughoutgoudo1084 at least as far as I know
no you cannot.. german reeds are much slimmer.
I’m not a pro or a savy in the matter, but I like the French one specially on the low notes. To me they are warm and nice to my ears. Great video, thank you for sharing and congratulations, you play wonderfully ❤️
Thank you so much for watching and also appreciate for such a nice comment 🙏
What system do you prefer for jazz thanks.
For now definitely boehm cause it's quite challenging if i had to do all 12keys and stuff with the key system that i started to learn at about 30 it's just too hard.
But when i have some recordings i have to deal with i prefer to go with oehler cause the pitch of boehm is so out
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I just started playing clarinet and was disappointed to find that my Böhm clarinet didn’t even match up to a cheap, modern Oehler clarinet that I tried. The German system both sounds better and feels more balanced in the hands when playing. With my Böhm clarinet, I always feel like I am trying to strangle a snake, while the German system has equal movements when playing the side keys.
So, I play boehm, but I might actually like the sound of Oehler better… 😳
I think you play much better the German clarinet than the French... is it your clarinet ? the difference is notable and I think you prefer the German system, do you use it most of time ?
Oh i use oehler system when i play any tune in tune especially classical music.
2:33 2:07
German clarinets sound much better more smooth and natural
Yeah that's what I'm thinkin thatk you for your comment
What this shows to me: how good a german clarinet is and how bad jazz is
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i want to know how to play ohler too
Oehler clarinets are hard to play for people with small hands and you need some fork handles. For low E you need both little fingers and a correction flap for exact tuning (only available in expensive high end instruments). The very best and most expensive Oehler clarinets are these: wurlitzerklarinetten.de/?lang=en
matzel2001 okay lets discuss this about the very best Oehler system clarinets. In my opinion Leitner&Kraus clarinets are better in Sound, you can play with such an enormous sound and it still sound warm(with some prächtige), not shrill. I think Wurlitzer clarinets are a limited coming to this, don‘t you think?
matzel2001 (*with some practice)
@@matzel2001 Thanks, interesting, so the prices are still okay when compared to other instruments (string / harp / grand piano).
Boehm is a German name. Dehler is a German name as well. I had German in school many years...
To me German system is very weird. It is way too simular to saxophone in my opinion, which in classic music is a no go😆. I agree that it sounds better at some instances, but I wouldn't say the diference is that big. So I swear by Selmer and Buffet