RE: Signature I used to play on a Buffet R13 and switched to a used set of Signature's a couple years back. After I switched, I had people coming up to me saying how they really liked my sound ... I didn't tell them at first that I made a switch to Selmer. It's true ... the Signature definitely has a little more resistance and your current setup might need to be changed a bit -- a brighter/freer blowing mouthpiece and maybe a different reed cut. Took me awhile to find a new setup, but now I'm very comfortable playing it. The evenness of the sound throughout the registers is something that really appealed to me. On my Buffet, the upper register (about top line G) would gradually start to get brighter the higher I went up the scale. The Signature allows me to just play the instrument without having to worry that the sound is going to spread and brighten. As far as intonation .... I don't worry about having to add extra keys to bring the pitch down or to round out the notes. Playing the Signature in a band setting is something I had to get used to. At times I felt that I was not able to cut through with the same brightness of the Buffet, but it still sounds nice. I mainly play in chamber and orchestra settings, and that's where it really works great. I've never felt that I can't project to the back of the hall or that my sound was dull. The key work is great the key positions are very comfortable. RE: Presence I picked up a used Presence about a year ago (at an unbelievable price) and had to say it's a great Clarinet. New, the Presence is comparable in price to a standard Buffet R13. The build quality of the Presence is very good, and it definitely has a slightly brighter sound than the Signature. If you put a darker/focused mouthpiece on it, it can sound similar to the focused sound of the Signature. With the Presence, you have to easier time to shine and also be more reserved, depending on your setup. This would definitely be a nice option for someone looking at a Buffet R13 or a Yamaha. The key working is nice, but the key positioning is not as refined as the Signature -- a couple of the keys seem to bit a higher on the body than the Signature. But after playing the Presence for about 15 minutes, you get used to it very easily. For $2000 less than the other premium Selmer's, this is a great option. I would have no reservations playing this clarinet in a concert instead of my Signature.
Hey Tom, sorry I am just getting back to this now! I appreciate you taking the time to write out your experience with the Selmers! It sounds like they are working great for you. Both instruments really do have different, but truly beautiful sounds!
Really love your sound on the Signature. I've always had a soft spot for them and I think you sound fantastic on it. The resonance on the instrument, the blend between a creamy, dark sound and just enough brilliance is what my ear likes. Great comparison video!
Thank you!! I think you have described the instrument's sound perfectly! I really enjoyed the Signature, if I had gone there looking to buy an instrument it 100% would have been in contention. Thanks for watching!
the Muse is enticing to me. combines a colorful sound that is trademark of other makes (most similar to the Recital here) with the consistency of intonation and ergonomic keywork of the Privilege and Presence
Great video. When I was a kid had a selmer catalogue from the 90s and I used to dream about owning one some day. What a thrill it was that my first clarinet was a Selmer 300 student model. Back then I always wanted the gold plated one they offered at the time... if you told me back then I'd some day have a gold set of cocobolo Backuns (which didn't exist yet haha) I would have been super excited!
Thanks Sean, love the vignette! I remember similarly dreaming about all the different instruments you could find in the old WWBW Catalogue that would come out; my Dad always had a copy on his desk as a kid! Past me would have been super excited I eventually got to try these all out as well!
Thanks for the comparison. I have studied in Paris with prof. Guy Dangain who advised people in Selmer when making recital. He would always refer to my Signature with words “it’s a nice instrument but has some tuning issues. Recital is better in tune”. He himself has played a recital, of course. The throat register on Signature just seems somewhat higher on the intonation due to a special build. All the tone holes are raised. Still, it’s reliable and has this wonderful darkness to it that I fell in love with on first hearing. I have been playing it for 20 years now. For a short period of time I wanted to sell it and switch to Privilege. But my repair man talked me out of it explaining to me I would be sorry to loose such a great piece of wood. So he did a complete restoration which will probably hold for another 20 years or so. Such a great instrument.
That’s so cool that you studied with Professor Dangain! The Signature is a wonderful instrument and I can easily see why you would be loyal to it for so long! Thanks for watching and your comment!
Bravo for sharing this fascinating test experience, something most of us can only dream about ! And my thanks to Conn Selmer for so generously allowing you to test these instruments and share this with a larger audience. This can only encourage players of all levels to be more open and curious about what the wide offerings available today can bring to performance.
Thanks for this: I wish more "comparison" videos would present things in this uniform way (and playing slowly, so you have time to catch nuances in the tone). For me, the clear winner was the Recital, which had a bloom in the sound that the others lacked. It was mellow without being dull (as you commented). The one that sounded least good was the Muse. You said it had the greatest range of colours, but another way of putting this is that it had the most edge in the sound. I felt that, if I was playing it, I would always be fighting to get it to produce the warm smoothness of the Recital. The Privilege had some of the Recital's qualities, but with leanings in the Muse direction. The other two sounded on the dull side. I've been tempted by Recitals in the past, but I decided I couldn't cope with the weight - though the Privileges aren't a lot lighter, and are much heavier than Buffets: I've had the chance to measure them side by side, and for a Bb without mouthpiece I got 840g (Recital), 832g (Privilege), 785g (Buffet).
Hey John, I appreciate the comment! I agree about comparison videos that play things too fast. At a certain speed everything starts to sound good and you lose the nuance. That's really interesting about the weight, I didn't have access to a scale at the showroom, but I never would have guessed that the Privilege was that close to the Recital! Interesting stuff! What was the Buffet instrument you measured? Thanks again for commenting, I'll be curious to see if other people prefered the Recital as well!
@@ParkHouseCreations The Buffet I quoted is a modern "Vintage" that I had on trial. I also trialled a Tosca (790g). The 1979 RC that I mainly play on is slim at only 748g (no extra Eb key). But even that is a heavyweight compared to a 1936 Buffet I own, which is a mere 715g. So things just keep getting heavier. Possibly that helps the sound, but with the Recital it's just too much mass for me. BTW I should have said you do make an unusually good sound on all of them.
Thank you for the great video! I play Signature clarinets and I love the sound I get on them! To my ear, you sounded the best on Signature (then Privilege, Presence, Recital and Muse).
Thanks Laurie!! Your content is great and you sound fantastic on your Signatures! Thanks for your list, I really liked the sound I got from the Signature as well!
Nice video. I have always liked the Privilege and Signature models when it comes to Selmer. I know the recital is a bit heavy and has a bit of resistance to it. Of course that was 10 years ago on the recital. I am glad you reviewed the evolution option for the instruments. If that really doesn’t affect the playing characteristics of the instrument, it does seem like a win-win situation.
Ya, the Evolution option surprised me, if no one had told me, I wouldn’t have had any idea there was anything different about it. Certainly not from playing on it anyway! Thanks for watching!
I have Privilege and Presence. Presence is a really good clarinet for the price. Privilege has better projection and stability. Thank you for the detailed and wonderful review every time.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I used to play on Signatures. I was curious of you playing on a different tonality since the middle Bb on the Signatures is a very fuzzy note, very difficult to play it even. I recently acquired a beautiful Bb Privilege, wonderful horn!
Thank you very much for this video. Selmer did a real good job with his actual clarinets, they have the sound, the look, the ergonomy, and are slightly differents so they can please numerous musicians. I tested them side by side during a "Selmer day" at local conservatory : the great dark and mellow Recital, the Signature wich I personnaly feel more resonant and bright (edit : a question of set-up/embouchure/blowing ?... in fact I tested the Signature twice in different circumstances and each time found it too bright, I had the same problem with the Buffet-Crampon RC Prestige), the Muse wich seems to me to have a slightly coloured sound with a great balance, the Privilège wich I felt more centered/focused. I found the Présence limited but with a sweet sound, a very good deal for the price. IMHO the Muse is the best of the line, more even and more well-tuned, easy, well balanced, but I prefer the Privilège wich gives me what I call the "Selmer kick" : more punch and clarity at the same time with good low frequencies in the chalumeau. For the moment I love my Selmer, an old "Modèle Déposé" L-series from 1931 I found one year ago, wich is soooo easy to play, but if I had the opportunity to change for a modern pro-level instrument, Selmer Privilège will be my choice, then Recital or Buffet-Crampon Tradition, and then Muse.
It’s always interesting to hear other people’s experiences with the same models! The Signature difference is interesting, but I think you are right in that it probably comes down to some kind of change in our methods of production! Thank you for watching and commenting, enjoy your Modèle Déposé, I am sure it is a fantastic instrument!
I think you sounded the best on the muse and signature. Both sounded pretty similar to me but the muse was a little more light and colorful and the signature was more dense and compact. The presence was a close second.
Thanks for watching and commenting! It's really interesting that people have different preferences for their top pick, but a lot of them then highlight the Presence as being right there with the other instruments as a close second, I definitely felt the same way!
Thanks! The setup changes depending on the location, but for this video I used a Cardiod condenser set Shure KSM141 (plugged into a Sound Devices MixPre-3) as a spot mic for sound detail and then mixed it with the in-camera omni microphones so that it captured the way each instrument sounded in the room a little better.
Ya, there definitely is a slight shift in sound. It was small enough that I felt it was most likely the difference you can find between any instrument of the same model. However, I would be interested in seeing if any pattern emerges if someone were to try out something like 6 of each kind of Privilege!
Beautiful playing and great comparison! For what it’s worth, I agree that you had a particularly good match with the Privilege model, although the Presence was about 90% the same. Not bad for an instrument that costs $2000 less! Did you find that the Presence had undue resistance in throat tone A and B-flat? I love my copy of this instrument but, especially when playing in chamber settings, sometimes I feel that these notes sound a bit too covered with my setup.
Thank you for the kind words! In general I was blown away by the Presence's value for the price! That's an interesting question about the the throat tones. I will go back and listen to some of the other recordings I took to see if I can hear a noticeable difference in that part of the instrument. I don't remember any undue resistance when I was testing the instrument, however I didn't spend too much time on any one clarinet due to time constraints and maybe it would have become apparent had I had more time with the instrument!
I liked the privilege, and the muse. They had the tones that "stood out" and resonated the most with me. I like a clarinet that is warmer in the lower register, and cheery, and bright in the higher registers.
great video. really good sound and comparison. I'm liking the Privilege . Selmer working on the throat tones was a great idea. I'm liking the Evolution idea but as you showed I did not hear that much of a sound difference.
Thank you for your review! It was intersting to compare your thoughts with mine. I bought my Muse a couple weeks ago after trying the whole line besides the Recital. I found the Muse to be an ideal horn for solo and chamber playing. The sound is really catching and it is so enjoyable to play. Among characteristic features I would mention very mellow and round altisimo that require almost no adjustments in embouchure/breath support to make it sound nice. Presance is a really great value but lacks character and did not give enough resistance for me to play comfortably. Privilege was very even, sounded nice, was easy to play but seemed a bit sterile and boring compared to Muse. Playing the Recital is too physically demanding for me even on an open mouthpiece and the weight really feels (not a fan of neck straps) Overall, considering current prices on top-of-the-range Buffets, Selmer is doing nice job with their clarinets for their price. Also, the evolution system is a nice compromise. It gives an experience of a wooden instrument with some protection, when Buffet's greenline are lacking soul as to me.
I feel like the muse is very similar to the légende model from buffet... I have never been that big of a "fan" of Selmer but I might be reconsidering on that now :)
Sorry, I really don’t have any information about that particular model! I would check the archives of the Clarinet Bboard, I bet you can find some information there!
I really have to say it's a toss-up between the Signature & the Présence followed by the Recital and then the Privilege(the Muse hasn't won me over yet). The former 2 have a good balance between the 'sparkle', roundness & depth of the sound, which the latter tends to favor more of the mid-lower partials. How I'd characterize them against Buffet models(losely by sound alone) would be that the Signature & Présence sound more closer to the R13 bore family but noticeably broader and fuller, while the Recital & Privilege sound more like the RC bore family albeit more punch. I just got a 2nd hand Présence Bb(and an A when my budget allows!) as my new Bb, replacing my old RC Prestige(which is now for sale!) and love it, though still kinda adjusting to the optimal voicing on the Présence, but the same happened when I switch from my old Buffet Prestige bass to my current Selmer Privilege bass! PS AFAIK the Signature & Recitals seem to be of similar design apart from the thicker walls of the latter, as they both share similar barrel lengths that are very different the (current 2nd gen)Privilege, Présence, Buffets & Yamahas(except CSG)!
Congratulations on the Présence purchase! I was blown away by the one in the showroom, I hope yours brings you years of great music! And it’s funny you mention the different barrel sizes, I had no idea Selmer’s barrel sizes varied so greatly across their various models. Definitely surprised me when I first started going through the instruments!
Hey Shawn, I believe I only used 1 ksm for this video, but then I did something I don’t normally do and mixed that sound with the sound from one of the cameras. They have Omni mics on board and they captured the room in a nice way despite the higher noise level. Hope that’s helpful!
IMHO the Muse and the Signature are tied in the first place, but with different characteristics. While the Signature is pure silk and velvet, the Muse is a swashbuckler. Now the Prestige is a close second place and the Recital comes next. The Presence would be a definitely great choice by the price and quality combo.
In my dreams I would have a Bb Muse and an A Signature in my bag. The first to play Choro, Jazz and Pop music, the second to play Classical and all kinds of introspective music.
The Signature is a very sophisticated clarinet. Check out the videos byStephen Williamson and Todd Levy about it - you play All the models well glad your dad enjoyed playing the saxophone - God bless you both - Bill - UK
Thanks for watching Bill! I really enjoyed the videos with Stephen Williamson and Todd Levy. I think if I were to switch to Selmer I would probably get a Signature!
If Selmer does decide to come out with a new clarinet that extends the range downward, my guess is that it will be called something different than the Muse. In the meantime there are a lot of vintage Full Boehm Selmer's for sale on the internet!
Thnx for the feedback. I think I have to wait until the desired feature will be optional for a new edition of Selmer. Until that time my Buffet Crampon RC Anniversary Edition -with low pitch Eb- meets all my needs.
I thought the Privilege had a slightly more brilliant sound and the Muse had a slightly denser and richer sound than the others. The rest sounded pretty much the same to me and none of them jumped out as being drastically different.
Not fan of the flip flop sound from the left pinky to right pinky interactions on those notes when laying down all the keys. Could be player technique error or the instrument itself. The last option is a deal breaker.
@@ParkHouseCreations you have the most nerdtastic videos; love it. I think there are probably less variations on the theme. Much of the concepts surrounding the music have been taken out of context. As my grandfathers were the composers; it’s the Bible that was stolen and miss labeled. It’s highly comical and bad economics. As you’ve already done a video. The other answer is no.
A friend once told me Selmer clarinets tend to have a beautiful centered sound but have less flexibility, whereas Buffet clarinets tend to have more flexibility, allowing the player to create a centered or harsh sound with greater ease. Did you find this to be true in any way? I was told this many years ago back when I did not understand much about clarinet playing, so I could have misinterpreted his words.
Hey Kyle, that’s a good question! Ultimately, I think it really depends on the model of instrument from either brand! The Selmer Signature felt like a lot of the sound was “built into” the instrument, so while it might have been flexible dynamically, the quality of sound had a nice “hold” to it and was resistant to large shifts in color. The Muse by comparison definitely felt more flexible, allowing for more color. I had a similar experience when I picked out my Buffet Bb Tosca. I put it up against four Generation 1 Traditions, the Tosca had a warmer, more covered sound that I felt had a nice amount of hold, and the Traditions definitely had more color and perhaps edge naturally. That being said I think your friend might have been on to something because I do feel that the Selmer’s (with the exception of perhaps the Muse) have a certain “Solidness” to the sound, they all felt a little “beefier” (for lack of a better word) to me. I wouldn’t say they are inflexible, but I did feel that in general Buffet instruments probably have more flexibility in the range of sound that can be produced.
Buffet-Crampon : tested them all and there really are great differences between each others. From the light Gala to the powerfull Légende, the punchier and darker Tradition, the hyperreactiveeasytoplay Divine, the rosewood models... there are more differences between a Légende and a Tradition or a Festival than between a Récital and a Signature. When you choose a Buffet-Crampon clarinet you have so many choice and sound design, but with that kind of clear and mellow "french sound" style, like a kind of sweet light coming from inside the instrument, when, as Park House Creations said, >, and I felt exactly the same.
Honestly, I didn`t see any audio difference between any of those models you tried. Especialy, under my opinion, the difference in price of almost 2.500 $ is not worth it. Finaly, they are all very good instruments.
Nice review! Beyond the global trend of playing with more "dark" sounds, I think the essence of the schools is being lost. They are French instruments, and they have a French design. Every time we are looking for clarinets with polycylindrical chambers to resemble the German sound. And we are losing the center of the sound and the bright, projecting quality of these instruments. And that has to do with mouthpieces and reeds. For me, the clarinet that most resembles its essence is the Signature. I hear the others dull, boring and not very vibrant, like "dead" sounding. Huges
In fact, it is the only clarinet that allowed you to play the high A without hitting it, that is, the only one that allowed you to do the legato properly.
Ok for me, no noticeable difference between the EVO and the normal. You sound the most dark chocolate-like with signature. I think your mouthpiece is probably not suited for the privilege, it sounded a-bit rigid with particular horn. Awesome video as always!
Yes, the Signature definitely has that dark chocolate sound! And I wish I could have had a couple weeks to try everything out with different mouthpieces, to really find what makes them sing! Thanks for watching Junnan!
The privilege would favour a brighter and a more free blowing mps, this style of mps will benefit the signature as well. B40 lyre with no 3 reed is a great match 👍
In regards to your current technique and skills, I mean both your virtues and problems when playing, the Privilege reacted the best. It 'smoothed out' many imperfections in the tone generation, notes handing over, better managed the way you intonate, switch between the registers, begin and end notes, etc. Then the Presence, as perhaps the second best for you. It seems you were used to playing the clarinets that offer nearly no resistance, so you were not even aware of all the problems in your technique? To play other models, like Signature or Recital, you would need a very different approach to playing, maybe a different breathing technique, different reeds, and a more relaxed embouchure. Those models sound as if they are way more resistant for you. The Muse’s sound is full of lovely overtones, but their abundance also colour “dips” in your technique when diving from higher into lower notes: short transitions sound “metallic” on Muse. Overall, Selmer clarinets are not crowd-pleasers, that allow anyone to "sound quaint". No. They offer more to improve the technique, and personalise sound to a higher level. They allow that, but a serious player must work on it.
If you're paying for something with the extra cost it certainly isn't the difference in tonality. As far as this demonstration is concerned, a Selmer's a Selmer. Of course there are a plethora of other considerations people may find important in choosing their instrument: The aforementioned heavier/fatter barrel. How does it feel? Blowing resistance Key plating material, etc. In those cases, then the price difference might be worth it.
No, not at all! They are definitely still fabricated in France! However, the Conn-Selmer factory is definitely the hub for the Selmer brand in the U.S and as such was the place to go if I wanted to try all the models.
I've a Recital just 1992-3, first series, whit low resonance key. 🗝️ . Original yellow pad in working conditions 😊 I play it with original selmer c85/105 mouthpiece*, with 2,5 - 3 Vandoren White german reeds. I ❤ it. Sorry but in this video, and earing by smarthphone, differences from this instruments are not clear. But I know that Recital is very dark, so I vote Revital 😅 * Cose ive broked my Pomarico 1 crystal mouthpiece... 😢
1:02 Signature
1:30 Recital
1:59 Privilège
2:27 Presence
2:56 Muse
The Recital in my ear, wins hands down. The depth, core and projection are superior than all of the other models you tried. IMHO😊
Thank you for watching!!
RE: Signature
I used to play on a Buffet R13 and switched to a used set of Signature's a couple years back. After I switched, I had people coming up to me saying how they really liked my sound ... I didn't tell them at first that I made a switch to Selmer. It's true ... the Signature definitely has a little more resistance and your current setup might need to be changed a bit -- a brighter/freer blowing mouthpiece and maybe a different reed cut. Took me awhile to find a new setup, but now I'm very comfortable playing it. The evenness of the sound throughout the registers is something that really appealed to me. On my Buffet, the upper register (about top line G) would gradually start to get brighter the higher I went up the scale. The Signature allows me to just play the instrument without having to worry that the sound is going to spread and brighten. As far as intonation .... I don't worry about having to add extra keys to bring the pitch down or to round out the notes. Playing the Signature in a band setting is something I had to get used to. At times I felt that I was not able to cut through with the same brightness of the Buffet, but it still sounds nice. I mainly play in chamber and orchestra settings, and that's where it really works great. I've never felt that I can't project to the back of the hall or that my sound was dull. The key work is great the key positions are very comfortable.
RE: Presence
I picked up a used Presence about a year ago (at an unbelievable price) and had to say it's a great Clarinet. New, the Presence is comparable in price to a standard Buffet R13. The build quality of the Presence is very good, and it definitely has a slightly brighter sound than the Signature. If you put a darker/focused mouthpiece on it, it can sound similar to the focused sound of the Signature. With the Presence, you have to easier time to shine and also be more reserved, depending on your setup. This would definitely be a nice option for someone looking at a Buffet R13 or a Yamaha. The key working is nice, but the key positioning is not as refined as the Signature -- a couple of the keys seem to bit a higher on the body than the Signature. But after playing the Presence for about 15 minutes, you get used to it very easily. For $2000 less than the other premium Selmer's, this is a great option. I would have no reservations playing this clarinet in a concert instead of my Signature.
Hey Tom, sorry I am just getting back to this now! I appreciate you taking the time to write out your experience with the Selmers! It sounds like they are working great for you. Both instruments really do have different, but truly beautiful sounds!
Really love your sound on the Signature. I've always had a soft spot for them and I think you sound fantastic on it. The resonance on the instrument, the blend between a creamy, dark sound and just enough brilliance is what my ear likes. Great comparison video!
Thank you!! I think you have described the instrument's sound perfectly! I really enjoyed the Signature, if I had gone there looking to buy an instrument it 100% would have been in contention. Thanks for watching!
To my ear, the Signature was a clear winner. Thanks for the excellent comparison.
Thanks for watching! I’m still thinking about the Selmer Signature even a year and a half after making this video! It has such a captivating sound!
They all sound fantastic, and the Muse is my favourite sound out of the bunch, with the Presence in a close second.
Ya, Selmer definitely makes good instruments! Thanks for watching!
the Muse is enticing to me. combines a colorful sound that is trademark of other makes (most similar to the Recital here) with the consistency of intonation and ergonomic keywork of the Privilege and Presence
It definitely represents a new direction for Selmer! I look forward to hearing demos from other people as they get their hands on it!
Great video. When I was a kid had a selmer catalogue from the 90s and I used to dream about owning one some day. What a thrill it was that my first clarinet was a Selmer 300 student model. Back then I always wanted the gold plated one they offered at the time... if you told me back then I'd some day have a gold set of cocobolo Backuns (which didn't exist yet haha) I would have been super excited!
Thanks Sean, love the vignette! I remember similarly dreaming about all the different instruments you could find in the old WWBW Catalogue that would come out; my Dad always had a copy on his desk as a kid! Past me would have been super excited I eventually got to try these all out as well!
Great video, dude! I think if I didn’t play on Buffets, I’d reach for the signature. I’ve always liked those instruments
Thanks Sam! I hear that, the Signature has such a fantastic sound, I can’t believe I hadn’t gotten to try one out before this!
Thanks for the comparison. I have studied in Paris with prof. Guy Dangain who advised people in Selmer when making recital. He would always refer to my Signature with words “it’s a nice instrument but has some tuning issues. Recital is better in tune”. He himself has played a recital, of course. The throat register on Signature just seems somewhat higher on the intonation due to a special build. All the tone holes are raised. Still, it’s reliable and has this wonderful darkness to it that I fell in love with on first hearing. I have been playing it for 20 years now. For a short period of time I wanted to sell it and switch to Privilege. But my repair man talked me out of it explaining to me I would be sorry to loose such a great piece of wood. So he did a complete restoration which will probably hold for another 20 years or so. Such a great instrument.
That’s so cool that you studied with Professor Dangain! The Signature is a wonderful instrument and I can easily see why you would be loyal to it for so long! Thanks for watching and your comment!
Bravo for sharing this fascinating test experience, something most of us can only dream about ! And my thanks to Conn Selmer for so generously allowing you to test these instruments and share this with a larger audience. This can only encourage players of all levels to be more open and curious about what the wide offerings available today can bring to performance.
Thanks for watching Judy! Yes, definitely a big thank you to Conn-Selmer for letting me visit, it was a really fun trip!
Thanks for this: I wish more "comparison" videos would present things in this uniform way (and playing slowly, so you have time to catch nuances in the tone). For me, the clear winner was the Recital, which had a bloom in the sound that the others lacked. It was mellow without being dull (as you commented). The one that sounded least good was the Muse. You said it had the greatest range of colours, but another way of putting this is that it had the most edge in the sound. I felt that, if I was playing it, I would always be fighting to get it to produce the warm smoothness of the Recital. The Privilege had some of the Recital's qualities, but with leanings in the Muse direction. The other two sounded on the dull side. I've been tempted by Recitals in the past, but I decided I couldn't cope with the weight - though the Privileges aren't a lot lighter, and are much heavier than Buffets: I've had the chance to measure them side by side, and for a Bb without mouthpiece I got 840g (Recital), 832g (Privilege), 785g (Buffet).
Hey John, I appreciate the comment! I agree about comparison videos that play things too fast. At a certain speed everything starts to sound good and you lose the nuance. That's really interesting about the weight, I didn't have access to a scale at the showroom, but I never would have guessed that the Privilege was that close to the Recital! Interesting stuff! What was the Buffet instrument you measured? Thanks again for commenting, I'll be curious to see if other people prefered the Recital as well!
@@ParkHouseCreations The Buffet I quoted is a modern "Vintage" that I had on trial. I also trialled a Tosca (790g). The 1979 RC that I mainly play on is slim at only 748g (no extra Eb key). But even that is a heavyweight compared to a 1936 Buffet I own, which is a mere 715g. So things just keep getting heavier. Possibly that helps the sound, but with the Recital it's just too much mass for me. BTW I should have said you do make an unusually good sound on all of them.
@@johnpeacock1469 Thanks, I appreciate that! It is an interesting that everything seems to be getting heavier. Thank you for sharing the information!
Thank you for the great video! I play Signature clarinets and I love the sound I get on them! To my ear, you sounded the best on Signature (then Privilege, Presence, Recital and Muse).
Thanks Laurie!! Your content is great and you sound fantastic on your Signatures! Thanks for your list, I really liked the sound I got from the Signature as well!
Nice video. I have always liked the Privilege and Signature models when it comes to Selmer. I know the recital is a bit heavy and has a bit of resistance to it. Of course that was 10 years ago on the recital. I am glad you reviewed the evolution option for the instruments. If that really doesn’t affect the playing characteristics of the instrument, it does seem like a win-win situation.
Ya, the Evolution option surprised me, if no one had told me, I wouldn’t have had any idea there was anything different about it. Certainly not from playing on it anyway! Thanks for watching!
Nice ! I own a 1957 Selmer Centeredtone Clarinet that I bought back in the 80’s .
Nice! I’ve never gotten a chance to try one personally, but I’ve heard they’re fantastic instruments!!
I have Privilege and Presence.
Presence is a really good clarinet for the price. Privilege has better projection and stability. Thank you for the detailed and wonderful review every time.
Thank you for watching and supporting the channel! Im glad you enjoy your Selmer clarinets!!
No1 Privilege. No2 Signature. Your sound on the Privilege has more colors, beautiful tone. Great video, thank you!
Thank you for the kind words and for commenting! I really appreciate it!
Thank you for sharing your experience. I used to play on Signatures. I was curious of you playing on a different tonality since the middle Bb on the Signatures is a very fuzzy note, very difficult to play it even. I recently acquired a beautiful Bb Privilege, wonderful horn!
The Privilege IMO is the nicest.. very nice sound on all of them though!! Lovely:)
Thank you!
Nice video. Interesting. The muse would be my choice. Bob, that alto looks good on you. I hope you brought it home.
Thanks for watching! I’m sorry to say that I couldn’t convince my Dad to bring the sax home with him!
Excellent informative video! Hugs from your fan here in Brazil!
Thanks for watching! Glad it was helpful!
Did you testing the Selmer Prologue?
Thank you very much for this video. Selmer did a real good job with his actual clarinets, they have the sound, the look, the ergonomy, and are slightly differents so they can please numerous musicians. I tested them side by side during a "Selmer day" at local conservatory : the great dark and mellow Recital, the Signature wich I personnaly feel more resonant and bright (edit : a question of set-up/embouchure/blowing ?... in fact I tested the Signature twice in different circumstances and each time found it too bright, I had the same problem with the Buffet-Crampon RC Prestige), the Muse wich seems to me to have a slightly coloured sound with a great balance, the Privilège wich I felt more centered/focused. I found the Présence limited but with a sweet sound, a very good deal for the price. IMHO the Muse is the best of the line, more even and more well-tuned, easy, well balanced, but I prefer the Privilège wich gives me what I call the "Selmer kick" : more punch and clarity at the same time with good low frequencies in the chalumeau. For the moment I love my Selmer, an old "Modèle Déposé" L-series from 1931 I found one year ago, wich is soooo easy to play, but if I had the opportunity to change for a modern pro-level instrument, Selmer Privilège will be my choice, then Recital or Buffet-Crampon Tradition, and then Muse.
It’s always interesting to hear other people’s experiences with the same models! The Signature difference is interesting, but I think you are right in that it probably comes down to some kind of change in our methods of production! Thank you for watching and commenting, enjoy your Modèle Déposé, I am sure it is a fantastic instrument!
I think you sounded the best on the muse and signature. Both sounded pretty similar to me but the muse was a little more light and colorful and the signature was more dense and compact. The presence was a close second.
Thanks for watching and commenting! It's really interesting that people have different preferences for their top pick, but a lot of them then highlight the Presence as being right there with the other instruments as a close second, I definitely felt the same way!
I now play the Signature with the Echo mouthpiece which you reviewed favourably. Thank you. Bill. UK
Hey Bill, that’s great! I’m glad you found something that works for you!
Great vid, really informative thanks. Would you mind sharing your recording setup? I am interesting in recording myself to listen back to my playing.
Thanks! The setup changes depending on the location, but for this video I used a Cardiod condenser set Shure KSM141 (plugged into a Sound Devices MixPre-3) as a spot mic for sound detail and then mixed it with the in-camera omni microphones so that it captured the way each instrument sounded in the room a little better.
The Evolution seemed to have a subtle shift in the upper mids. Both sound great, I actually like the brighter sound over the darker ( to me).
Ya, there definitely is a slight shift in sound. It was small enough that I felt it was most likely the difference you can find between any instrument of the same model. However, I would be interested in seeing if any pattern emerges if someone were to try out something like 6 of each kind of Privilege!
Beautiful playing and great comparison! For what it’s worth, I agree that you had a particularly good match with the Privilege model, although the Presence was about 90% the same. Not bad for an instrument that costs $2000 less!
Did you find that the Presence had undue resistance in throat tone A and B-flat? I love my copy of this instrument but, especially when playing in chamber settings, sometimes I feel that these notes sound a bit too covered with my setup.
Thank you for the kind words! In general I was blown away by the Presence's value for the price! That's an interesting question about the the throat tones. I will go back and listen to some of the other recordings I took to see if I can hear a noticeable difference in that part of the instrument. I don't remember any undue resistance when I was testing the instrument, however I didn't spend too much time on any one clarinet due to time constraints and maybe it would have become apparent had I had more time with the instrument!
I liked the privilege, and the muse. They had the tones that "stood out" and resonated the most with me. I like a clarinet that is warmer in the lower register, and cheery, and bright in the higher registers.
I want to try them all.
I hope you get a chance to one day, it was a lot of fun!
great video. really good sound and comparison. I'm liking the Privilege . Selmer working on the throat tones was a great idea. I'm liking the Evolution idea but as you showed I did not hear that much of a sound difference.
Thank you for your review! It was intersting to compare your thoughts with mine.
I bought my Muse a couple weeks ago after trying the whole line besides the Recital. I found the Muse to be an ideal horn for solo and chamber playing. The sound is really catching and it is so enjoyable to play. Among characteristic features I would mention very mellow and round altisimo that require almost no adjustments in embouchure/breath support to make it sound nice.
Presance is a really great value but lacks character and did not give enough resistance for me to play comfortably. Privilege was very even, sounded nice, was easy to play but seemed a bit sterile and boring compared to Muse. Playing the Recital is too physically demanding for me even on an open mouthpiece and the weight really feels (not a fan of neck straps)
Overall, considering current prices on top-of-the-range Buffets, Selmer is doing nice job with their clarinets for their price. Also, the evolution system is a nice compromise. It gives an experience of a wooden instrument with some protection, when Buffet's greenline are lacking soul as to me.
4:36 Privilege Standard
4:57 Privilege Evolution
Ahhh! What fabulous videos. I don't play clarinet, but the string cousin, viola.
Subscribing was a no-brainer.
Thank you!!
I think you should review the BG B3 mouthpiece sometime.. Seems very interesting!
I have my next few reviews planned, but I will add it to the list!
Do they still make those BG’s ??
@@emjay2045 It's a new model and It plays awesome! I just got It and I'm very pleased!! Very flexible sound!
I feel like the muse is very similar to the légende model from buffet... I have never been that big of a "fan" of Selmer but I might be reconsidering on that now :)
Hi. What type of information do you have on the Selmer Series 10G, circa 1982-1984?
Sorry, I really don’t have any information about that particular model! I would check the archives of the Clarinet Bboard, I bet you can find some information there!
I really have to say it's a toss-up between the Signature & the Présence followed by the Recital and then the Privilege(the Muse hasn't won me over yet). The former 2 have a good balance between the 'sparkle', roundness & depth of the sound, which the latter tends to favor more of the mid-lower partials. How I'd characterize them against Buffet models(losely by sound alone) would be that the Signature & Présence sound more closer to the R13 bore family but noticeably broader and fuller, while the Recital & Privilege sound more like the RC bore family albeit more punch. I just got a 2nd hand Présence Bb(and an A when my budget allows!) as my new Bb, replacing my old RC Prestige(which is now for sale!) and love it, though still kinda adjusting to the optimal voicing on the Présence, but the same happened when I switch from my old Buffet Prestige bass to my current Selmer Privilege bass!
PS AFAIK the Signature & Recitals seem to be of similar design apart from the thicker walls of the latter, as they both share similar barrel lengths that are very different the (current 2nd gen)Privilege, Présence, Buffets & Yamahas(except CSG)!
Congratulations on the Présence purchase! I was blown away by the one in the showroom, I hope yours brings you years of great music! And it’s funny you mention the different barrel sizes, I had no idea Selmer’s barrel sizes varied so greatly across their various models. Definitely surprised me when I first started going through the instruments!
Hi Eric, did you use one ksm 141 in the recording or two?
Hey Shawn, I believe I only used 1 ksm for this video, but then I did something I don’t normally do and mixed that sound with the sound from one of the cameras. They have Omni mics on board and they captured the room in a nice way despite the higher noise level. Hope that’s helpful!
Which one is the lightest weight?
Honestly, Im not sure, sorry!
@@ParkHouseCreations It's ok, no worries.🤗
Be great if you added a centered tone...or early S10!
Like the §ound of the pad work on the Selmer Presence Clarinet
-Nice Sound!☆*⋆.
Thank you for watching!
@@ParkHouseCreations SoWelcome! ThX for all these Great Vids, Super Informative!
what attachment do you use on the Thumb rest ? Ron
IMHO the Muse and the Signature are tied in the first place, but with different characteristics. While the Signature is pure silk and velvet, the Muse is a swashbuckler. Now the Prestige is a close second place and the Recital comes next. The Presence would be a definitely great choice by the price and quality combo.
In my dreams I would have a Bb Muse and an A Signature in my bag. The first to play Choro, Jazz and Pop music, the second to play Classical and all kinds of introspective music.
The Signature is a very sophisticated clarinet. Check out the videos byStephen Williamson and Todd Levy about it - you play All the models well glad your dad enjoyed playing the saxophone - God bless you both - Bill - UK
Thanks for watching Bill! I really enjoyed the videos with Stephen Williamson and Todd Levy. I think if I were to switch to Selmer I would probably get a Signature!
Q: Any chance to provide a "Selmer Muse" with a 'low pitch' Eb?
Advantage: Bb-2 sounds so much better!!
If Selmer does decide to come out with a new clarinet that extends the range downward, my guess is that it will be called something different than the Muse. In the meantime there are a lot of vintage Full Boehm Selmer's for sale on the internet!
Thnx for the feedback. I think I have to wait until the desired feature will be optional for a new edition of Selmer. Until that time my Buffet Crampon RC Anniversary Edition -with low pitch Eb- meets all my needs.
correction: with low pitch Eb
I thought the Privilege had a slightly more brilliant sound and the Muse had a slightly denser and richer sound than the others. The rest sounded pretty much the same to me and none of them jumped out as being drastically different.
Recital ❤👍🏆
#2 & #5 were the better sounding horns to me.
I can see why you would pick those two! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Still no F correction key??? Cmon Selmer, let’s get on board!
I’d really like for some form of a correction mechanism to be standard as an option across all brands in the industry!
Not fan of the flip flop sound from the left pinky to right pinky interactions on those notes when laying down all the keys. Could be player technique error or the instrument itself. The last option is a deal breaker.
Selmer clarinets are particularly good. It’s just insane how they vary in sound to the buffet crampon clarinets.
Yes, they definitely have their own identity! I’m glad there are so many great options for clarinetists these days!
@@ParkHouseCreations you have the most nerdtastic videos; love it. I think there are probably less variations on the theme. Much of the concepts surrounding the music have been taken out of context. As my grandfathers were the composers; it’s the Bible that was stolen and miss labeled. It’s highly comical and bad economics. As you’ve already done a video. The other answer is no.
@@ParkHouseCreations globalization. Was watching the Viennese video on mouthpieces. Interesting.
@@ParkHouseCreations as in more clarinet versions before but less than before; globalization.
I liked the Muse the best because it sounded the most like Buffet lol
Haha fair enough!
At times you could hear key pad sound (That Pop).
A friend once told me Selmer clarinets tend to have a beautiful centered sound but have less flexibility, whereas Buffet clarinets tend to have more flexibility, allowing the player to create a centered or harsh sound with greater ease. Did you find this to be true in any way? I was told this many years ago back when I did not understand much about clarinet playing, so I could have misinterpreted his words.
Hey Kyle, that’s a good question! Ultimately, I think it really depends on the model of instrument from either brand! The Selmer Signature felt like a lot of the sound was “built into” the instrument, so while it might have been flexible dynamically, the quality of sound had a nice “hold” to it and was resistant to large shifts in color. The Muse by comparison definitely felt more flexible, allowing for more color. I had a similar experience when I picked out my Buffet Bb Tosca. I put it up against four Generation 1 Traditions, the Tosca had a warmer, more covered sound that I felt had a nice amount of hold, and the Traditions definitely had more color and perhaps edge naturally. That being said I think your friend might have been on to something because I do feel that the Selmer’s (with the exception of perhaps the Muse) have a certain “Solidness” to the sound, they all felt a little “beefier” (for lack of a better word) to me. I wouldn’t say they are inflexible, but I did feel that in general Buffet instruments probably have more flexibility in the range of sound that can be produced.
Buffet-Crampon : tested them all and there really are great differences between each others. From the light Gala to the powerfull Légende, the punchier and darker Tradition, the hyperreactiveeasytoplay Divine, the rosewood models... there are more differences between a Légende and a Tradition or a Festival than between a Récital and a Signature. When you choose a Buffet-Crampon clarinet you have so many choice and sound design, but with that kind of clear and mellow "french sound" style, like a kind of sweet light coming from inside the instrument, when, as Park House Creations said, >, and I felt exactly the same.
Honestly, I didn`t see any audio difference between any of those models you tried. Especialy, under my opinion, the difference in price of almost 2.500 $ is not worth it. Finaly, they are all very good instruments.
Thank you for watching, hopefully the video was still useful even if you felt they all sounded very similar!
Not as far as the sound anyway. Other criteria for choosing any particular instrument notwithstanding.
Nice review! Beyond the global trend of playing with more "dark" sounds, I think the essence of the schools is being lost. They are French instruments, and they have a French design. Every time we are looking for clarinets with polycylindrical chambers to resemble the German sound. And we are losing the center of the sound and the bright, projecting quality of these instruments. And that has to do with mouthpieces and reeds. For me, the clarinet that most resembles its essence is the Signature. I hear the others dull, boring and not very vibrant, like "dead" sounding. Huges
In fact, it is the only clarinet that allowed you to play the high A without hitting it, that is, the only one that allowed you to do the legato properly.
Ok for me, no noticeable difference between the EVO and the normal. You sound the most dark chocolate-like with signature. I think your mouthpiece is probably not suited for the privilege, it sounded a-bit rigid with particular horn. Awesome video as always!
Yes, the Signature definitely has that dark chocolate sound! And I wish I could have had a couple weeks to try everything out with different mouthpieces, to really find what makes them sing! Thanks for watching Junnan!
The privilege would favour a brighter and a more free blowing mps, this style of mps will benefit the signature as well. B40 lyre with no 3 reed is a great match 👍
@@junnansun9653 That's good to know! I will keep that in mind if I get the chance to play on it again!
In regards to your current technique and skills, I mean both your virtues and problems when playing, the Privilege reacted the best. It 'smoothed out' many imperfections in the tone generation, notes handing over, better managed the way you intonate, switch between the registers, begin and end notes, etc. Then the Presence, as perhaps the second best for you. It seems you were used to playing the clarinets that offer nearly no resistance, so you were not even aware of all the problems in your technique? To play other models, like Signature or Recital, you would need a very different approach to playing, maybe a different breathing technique, different reeds, and a more relaxed embouchure. Those models sound as if they are way more resistant for you. The Muse’s sound is full of lovely overtones, but their abundance also colour “dips” in your technique when diving from higher into lower notes: short transitions sound “metallic” on Muse. Overall, Selmer clarinets are not crowd-pleasers, that allow anyone to "sound quaint". No. They offer more to improve the technique, and personalise sound to a higher level. They allow that, but a serious player must work on it.
Great comparison. (Time to turn the ball cap around)
I only hear a difference in the recital
🤷🤷🤷 they're o.k.
If you're paying for something with the extra cost it certainly isn't the difference in tonality. As far as this demonstration is concerned, a Selmer's a Selmer. Of course there are a plethora of other considerations people may find important in choosing their instrument:
The aforementioned heavier/fatter barrel.
How does it feel?
Blowing resistance
Key plating material, etc.
In those cases, then the price difference might be worth it.
To my ears not much difference between them!🙏🏻
Fair enough, thanks for watching!
Are you suggesting these instruments are not fabricated in France? There are made at Conn Selmer? Have we been duped all these years?
No, not at all! They are definitely still fabricated in France! However, the Conn-Selmer factory is definitely the hub for the Selmer brand in the U.S and as such was the place to go if I wanted to try all the models.
I've a Recital just 1992-3, first series, whit low resonance key. 🗝️ . Original yellow pad in working conditions 😊
I play it with original selmer c85/105 mouthpiece*, with 2,5 - 3 Vandoren White german reeds.
I ❤ it.
Sorry but in this video, and earing by smarthphone, differences from this instruments are not clear.
But I know that Recital is very dark, so I vote Revital 😅
* Cose ive broked my Pomarico 1 crystal mouthpiece... 😢