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КОМЕНТАРІ • 146

  • @GvF11
    @GvF11 8 місяців тому +136

    13:10 The term "Byzantine Empire" was only coined following the empire's demise: its citizens referred to the polity as the "Roman Empire" and to themselves as "Romans".

    • @Cainite
      @Cainite 8 місяців тому +9

      Yeah, either _'Romans'_ and maybe _'Greeks'_

    • @larsbaastad7756
      @larsbaastad7756 8 місяців тому +18

      By God, I love Drongo, but he really knows jack shit about history.

    • @Cainite
      @Cainite 8 місяців тому +6

      @@larsbaastad7756 So the typical first language english speaker? 😏

    • @GvF11
      @GvF11 8 місяців тому

      @larsbaastad7756 same here buddy, but at least he has us ungrateful fucks who tell him everything, whether he wants to hear it or not 😀

    • @drakebrawley5852
      @drakebrawley5852 8 місяців тому +2

      I believe the term in their language they used was 'Romaioi'

  • @mairuzo
    @mairuzo 8 місяців тому +49

    That last battle in the Byzantine base was straight-up Gandalf arriving with the Rohirrim at Helm's Deep.

    • @GrazyLunatic
      @GrazyLunatic 8 місяців тому +2

      Omg 😂

    • @iech0526
      @iech0526 8 місяців тому +1

      So true. Once I saw this comment and heard Drongo ask where the cavalry were, I knew there was going to be an epic reveal and counterpush.

  • @SnarkyZazu
    @SnarkyZazu 8 місяців тому +139

    Fun fact: Byzantines called themselves Romans as they were the continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire

    • @Polydromos97
      @Polydromos97 8 місяців тому +15

      If you know greek you can even hear em say it in game.

    • @condeezy12
      @condeezy12 8 місяців тому +6

      Nova Roma

    • @Nickball97
      @Nickball97 8 місяців тому +2

      Which is weird because the Greek and Latin speaking populations were at odds with each other. And many others referred to the Byzantines as Greeks

    • @Imissmycivic202XOC
      @Imissmycivic202XOC 8 місяців тому +1

      In fact the name Byzantine was given by a chad who went to school from HRE after the Empire has fallen

    • @croft9520
      @croft9520 8 місяців тому +8

      Because it was the the eastern Roman Empire? 😅

  • @marcodalu5494
    @marcodalu5494 8 місяців тому +7

    drongo's house:
    a mess
    drongo:
    i think i need to call the macro police in place
    a 10/10 meme on the cards

  • @Sagebruuh
    @Sagebruuh 8 місяців тому +28

    The inventor of the great bombard tried to sell it to the Byzantines (Romans) first but they weren't willing to pay his salary so he sold it to the Ottomans instead who then blew down the walls of Constantinople. They could only be fired a couple times a day because they had to be covered in oil to cool off after each shot.

    • @piggy8435
      @piggy8435 8 місяців тому

      Where was the inventor from?

    • @jaimesanchez6305
      @jaimesanchez6305 8 місяців тому +2

      If this is true. Wow that is incredible! I’m second thought how would the oil not catch on fire?

    • @Sagebruuh
      @Sagebruuh 8 місяців тому +1

      @@piggy8435 Hungary

    • @dracoak7205
      @dracoak7205 8 місяців тому

      Wow 😮, idiots why I play them lol, Dang only reason I play the ottomans! Crazy 😧!

    • @abhi5504
      @abhi5504 8 місяців тому

      @@piggy8435 he was hungarian, and im pretty sure his name was orban

  • @mattgutberlet
    @mattgutberlet 8 місяців тому +14

    Rule 1 of facing the Byzantines: Do not let them get to late game
    Rule 2 of facing the Byzantines: See Rule 1

  • @hl321662
    @hl321662 8 місяців тому +7

    Palatine school has always been awesome if you think of it as applying 23% discount on all unique units. Cataphracts have higher effective HP to cost ratio with palatine school and biology than royal knights with bloodlines and 25% discount if you factor in the extra 1 armor.

  • @kaiptn1211
    @kaiptn1211 8 місяців тому +9

    That was a beautiful game! When I imagine a good and thrilling match, this is what I have in mind! Nice back-and-forth throughout the first 30 minutes and a totally surprising domination in the last battle with a diverse and powerful army!
    I can’t stand games where you basically know who will win after 8 minutes because one player is non stop attacking and crippling the other’s eco to guarantee a huge edge for the rest of the game …

  • @greenbubble9088
    @greenbubble9088 8 місяців тому +4

    in Germany we say: "Schere, Stein, Papier" which Translates into "Scissor, Rock, Paper"

  • @bmoore117
    @bmoore117 8 місяців тому +3

    Every time I see someone make Wynguard palace without immediately going into wynguard raiders I shake my head. You're getting knights on the cheap, and it is a HUGE power spike. It's the equivalent of 6 stables, and it trains incredibly fast too. You should use this to overwhelm your enemy with favorable trades, where losing units doesn't even really cost you anymore

  • @BravelyForward
    @BravelyForward 8 місяців тому +9

    Crosswbos look kind of cool. Elite upgrades confirmed.

  • @manekdahanayake1896
    @manekdahanayake1896 8 місяців тому +4

    we say scissors paper rock in brisbane too. same as the parmi parma debate, it changes from city to city

  • @matthewgreaves390
    @matthewgreaves390 8 місяців тому +3

    That was deeply upsetting that you call it scissors, paper rock.... XD
    Love the content Drongo!

  • @nightman6349
    @nightman6349 8 місяців тому +6

    I like having some cataphracts so once our army's collide they run through the front line and attack the siege or ranged units. And the enemy front falls faster since the ranged is now busy and they are taking more damage.

    • @AnnaStoller
      @AnnaStoller 8 місяців тому

      The unit needs a health buff. 800 Go

    • @JamesCh.
      @JamesCh. 8 місяців тому +1

      I recommend everyone to go play some ffa or whatever, amass 100 catas and see the destruction. I once ran over bombo/jannisary/spearmen 130 stack army and barely lost 20 catas. The battle was over in under 15 seconds pretty nuts. Once you get that critical mass, trample, triumph, gulp and anything other than heavy units disappears from the screen faster than you realize. Combine it with the fact that you barely lose anything, you got a win condition running around the map wreaking havoc.

  • @nationarmy2514
    @nationarmy2514 8 місяців тому +3

    20:10 totally agree ab cataphracts, i never build em when i play byz, thats why i almost always go keshiks mercenary

  • @flashgordonEZAF
    @flashgordonEZAF 8 місяців тому +1

    loving all your casts, thank you again sir

  • @robketelaars4521
    @robketelaars4521 8 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video again Drongo!

  • @heitorlanga8443
    @heitorlanga8443 8 місяців тому +1

    Well, here in Taiwan they say "Paper, scissor, stone" there is always a confusion between different foreigners haha

  • @Therover19
    @Therover19 8 місяців тому +4

    ahh the finer points of australian geography and mango distribution

  • @vineveer4358
    @vineveer4358 8 місяців тому +1

    I gotta respect the man's overly specific anecdotes.
    WHERE ARE THE MANGOS!?

  • @xeroprotagonist
    @xeroprotagonist 8 місяців тому +2

    Drongo, I think you're still misinterpreting what the cataphract is good for. They're not that good at raiding because they're slow and they can't charge, they're not really cost-efficient even with the Palatine School, what they are is highly pop efficient. So if you're deadlocked toward the end of the game and both players are hitting 200/200 pop, making cataphracts means you can put much more total army value on the field than your opponent. If your opponent responds by making equal amounts of spears (80 res/pop) and crossbows (120 res/pop) your cataphracts (330 res/pop) will have about triple their army value. Even with the bonuses against cav and armored units spears and crossbows get, your army will still collectively out-DPS theirs especially if you use Triumph & Trample well, and it will have 3-4 times the HP with strong armor. In a full army battle, they will start losing units faster than you, and then Lanchester's laws will take over and you'll trade very efficiently. Even if your opponent makes knights, handcannons, mangonels, etc. you're still significantly ahead of them on army value if you make the same pop's worth of cataphracts.
    Also, they can be used efficiently early in the game in very small engagements if they can kill enemy units and then survive and be healed, that's what the Cistern of the First Hill is good for. Like you see Delhi often making small numbers of elephants and healing them with scholars, Byz can potentially do the same thing with cataphracts. But when you're in the midgame trying to make cost-efficient trades with a 25-50 unit army, cataphracts can't trade well in that scenario.

  • @Spyrothecat
    @Spyrothecat 8 місяців тому +2

    That was one of my favourite late games I’ve seen

  • @scottynorder8578
    @scottynorder8578 8 місяців тому +1

    Drongo I am seeing this BeeKeeper movie popping up now too!! You spoke so Loudly, my iPhone heard you, and now think I too want to keep bees!!! 🤣🤣
    Minty! 👌

  • @tillhaferkorn6263
    @tillhaferkorn6263 8 місяців тому +2

    Exciting game, it was hard to say who would win until Byz Cav came up from downtown :)

  • @jaith8323
    @jaith8323 8 місяців тому +1

    Hi Drongo! you are welcome to come and record games here every tuesday and friday! KEKW

  • @SuperKeithers
    @SuperKeithers 8 місяців тому

    its "rock paper scissors" from where i grew up.
    also a bunny hop is a bicycle trick,
    ...while a daisy chain is an electrical system. (for your tower analogy)

  • @lamarfullmer9620
    @lamarfullmer9620 8 місяців тому +2

    am I hallucinating? i swear this is the 1st time Drongo has been on player view and you can see the relic icons on the minimap

  • @thomasweber3262
    @thomasweber3262 8 місяців тому +1

    So I had that experience playing online. I have only played 1 game vs a person, and the second I was winning the game it disconnected. In retrospect it sounds like the person I played hacked

  • @Micklebaxter
    @Micklebaxter 8 місяців тому +1

    As a fellow Canberran, I concur with “scissor paper rock”

  • @Jawsar
    @Jawsar 8 місяців тому

    Great cast Drongo

  • @tillhaferkorn6263
    @tillhaferkorn6263 8 місяців тому +1

    @UncleDrongo ;-) Good reference, we are really missing the yummy and cheap Queensland mangos down here in Melbourne!
    How are the prices in Perth for a mango? ;-)

  • @JaydenLyrics
    @JaydenLyrics 8 місяців тому +1

    In Germany it`s "Scheere, Stein, Papier" - Scissor, Rock, Paper.

  • @CaesarSa1ad
    @CaesarSa1ad 8 місяців тому +2

    It's funny that you ask what the Byzantines would have called themselves, because the Byzantines wouldn't have called themselves Byzantine at all, they would have called themselves Romans (Rhomaios in greek). The title Byzantine wasn't used until 1557 (104 years after they ceased to exist) by a German historian (the name comes from the old name for Constantinople, Byzantium). The name is part of a tradition in Catholic Europe to deligitimise the Byzantine's claim as the Roman Empire. But that's a little too in depth and confusing for video game casting so probably just go with the Byzantines for a serious option but. Also nice to see the Wyngard and the Palatine School used at a high level I feel like I only see the Berkshire and Foreign Engineering Company, thanks for the cast Drongo.

    • @GregardIM
      @GregardIM 8 місяців тому

      This is also referenced by some voice lines in the game where Byzantine units reference themselves as Romans. For example the Cataphracts say: "εμπρός ευγενείς ρωμαίοι" , which means "forward noble Romans"

  • @Jewels___
    @Jewels___ 8 місяців тому +6

    Talking about a problem, in this case maphacking, does not encourage people to do it, for that's not how humans work. People are not oportunistic freaks who will take every advantage they can at the expense of others. Actually, talking about it creates a culture that shuns away people who do this, which actually encourages people to NOT do it. It triggers our instinct of avoiding ostracism (getting expelled from the group), so we tend to avoid things that are clearly immoral on the culture we are a part of.
    Before anyone says anything about one or two people, yes, there are exceptions. Those exceptions, though, are usually of people who are psychopaths or sociopaths. Maybe narcisists, but that would be rare already. Oh, and big corp CEO's. Those surely are oportunistic freaks at the expense of others. But AoE4 players? Far from the norm to be a wanabe hacker.
    TLDR: Speak up about hacking problems for it helps building a healthier community

  • @carlossime6572
    @carlossime6572 8 місяців тому +3

    13:13 the Byzantine call themself "Romanoi" simply translation "Romans" remember the empire is the Eastern Roman Empire, just late in the modern era (1500-1800) they started to call them "Byzantines" just to downplay to the ERE as a real successor to the Roman Empire (remember that in multiple times the Franks, the HRE call themself as the real sucessor of the romans XD)

  • @_Makanko_
    @_Makanko_ 8 місяців тому

    In Belgium we've got other options for ya; you can go "Blad, Steen, Schaar" or "Schaar, Steen, Papier" (respectively Paper, Rock, Scissors or Scissors, Rock, Paper).

  • @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana
    @UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana 8 місяців тому +1

    I cannot see how extremely early farms 🧑‍🌾🥕🥔 are correct, even as English ☕.
    It is so heavy on the wood 🪵 cost, even with the English discount. 10 English farms cost 375 wood 🪵.
    It basically always severely delays you getting wheelbarrow, horticulture, your first archery 🏹 range (if not going aging up with Council Hall), and your first barracks. If not making you miss the opportunity to get them in the early game entirely.
    They all seem far more important in the long game than the increased gather rate the farms early gives you. And they all seem much better for tempo as well.
    English farms 🧑‍🌾🥕🥔 in Dark Age only have a 4.6% faster gather rate than deer 🦌 based on official statistics (not counting walking time).
    So it really is not a big loss to focus on them or berries 🍒 (which English farms are 30% faster than in official statistics, but berries have virtually no walking so the real difference is not as high) instead of farms.

  • @lasauceart
    @lasauceart 8 місяців тому +1

    Youre my #1 favorite caster❤❤❤

  • @Ciech_mate
    @Ciech_mate 8 місяців тому

    Holiday lesson 1 tidy your house before you go. So when your depressed cause your holidays over at least you have a nice house.

  • @coooloska
    @coooloska 8 місяців тому

    In Germany we say Scissors, Rock, Paper (Schere, Stein, Papier). :D

  • @nate742
    @nate742 8 місяців тому +3

    The Byzantines called themselves Romans.

  • @JesusRios-zl1ql
    @JesusRios-zl1ql 8 місяців тому +1

    He wasn’t using triumph for the cataphrats

  • @BravelyForward
    @BravelyForward 8 місяців тому +1

    New video title suggestion: "Fire, more firee!" 33:20 :D :D :D

  • @BravelyForward
    @BravelyForward 8 місяців тому +1

    "FIRE, WE NEED MORE FIRE!!"

  • @lewispowney
    @lewispowney 8 місяців тому

    Love the rambling haha

  • @nathanielblairofkew1082
    @nathanielblairofkew1082 8 місяців тому

    25:45 made me lol

  • @domtom79
    @domtom79 8 місяців тому +1

    Striker was def map hacking. Was zoomed way out

    • @samblack5313
      @samblack5313 8 місяців тому +1

      I wish I could have that view.

  • @jonwall9634
    @jonwall9634 8 місяців тому +1

    Romanioi - greek for Romans. The Hellenistic half of the empire didn't really speak Latin as Greek was already firmly established as the lingua franca in late antiquity in the eastern Mediterranean.

  • @nomadheros4663
    @nomadheros4663 8 місяців тому

    I feel like in Perth we say "Paper, scissors, rock"

  • @montreal_vibe96
    @montreal_vibe96 8 місяців тому

    we love you Aussie

  • @foggymartin
    @foggymartin 8 місяців тому +1

    I reckon you need to play the Byzantines and understand them so you know what sort of units you could face and when

  • @gaellj4324
    @gaellj4324 8 місяців тому

    In Poland, we say "kamień papier nożyce", which goes against You aswell, Drongo.

  • @erccdang
    @erccdang 8 місяців тому +1

    ✂️ 📃 🪨 = Heresy

  • @__Hanasei__Levinus__
    @__Hanasei__Levinus__ 8 місяців тому

    13:30 my braincells... they're showing their age.

  • @michaelgeers9956
    @michaelgeers9956 8 місяців тому

    solid trump imitation on 35:31!😆

  • @evanwalters6574
    @evanwalters6574 8 місяців тому

    As a Queenslander, definitely get the Manog reference

  • @Gohstrider321
    @Gohstrider321 8 місяців тому

    Rock, Paper, Scissor

  • @UltrasRapid1992
    @UltrasRapid1992 8 місяців тому

    Let me drop some quality information for you:
    Scissor-rock-paper (Austria - German)

  • @Ubicquitous
    @Ubicquitous 7 місяців тому

    Bi-zan-tian. good on ya drongo!

  • @KhorgosKhul
    @KhorgosKhul 8 місяців тому

    Rock, Paper, Scissors here in the former usa.

  • @blackadder0sporetive
    @blackadder0sporetive 8 місяців тому +1

    The byzantines probably called themselves romans

  • @takitaky6470
    @takitaky6470 8 місяців тому

    I think it would be amazing if both start with revealed map, it will make easier mechanics and attracted more new player, and make player show their true quality on strategy since it will not deppending on a luck finding a recources. give a both player a fair chance.

    • @samblack5313
      @samblack5313 8 місяців тому

      That's not how war works. Being in the right place at the right time is a big part of the game.

  • @City_Hunter
    @City_Hunter 8 місяців тому

    Rock paper scissors lizard Spock

  • @j158
    @j158 7 місяців тому

    I had severe OCD growing up, I had to tap everything a certain number of times. My mom has your version of OCD as you, try not to get to upset with your family members!

  • @Sinuskamm22015
    @Sinuskamm22015 8 місяців тому

    In Germany we sai: ,,Schere, Stein, Papier"
    / ,,Scissor, stone, paper"
    So it's completely different....😅

  • @ping_ms
    @ping_ms 8 місяців тому

    Classic aussies they say even rock paper scissors upside down

  • @Raccoonaspie
    @Raccoonaspie 8 місяців тому +1

    Byzantines called themselves 'Romanoi', which is greek for romans.

  • @sprucemoose7453
    @sprucemoose7453 8 місяців тому

    Thought i was the only one that gets corrected for saying scissors, paper, rock 😢

  • @Jawsar
    @Jawsar 8 місяців тому

    +1 for scissors paper rock

  • @jasonharter4876
    @jasonharter4876 8 місяців тому +1

    Don't self-diagnose Drongo...if you suspect you have OCD get it confirmed by a doc. Don't be like all these weirdos online who self-diagnose because they may have a single symptom of an illness or something. Just keep casting and commentating. You're doing a great job.

  • @YashoTaste
    @YashoTaste 8 місяців тому

    In Poland we say it Paper, Rock, Scissors xD

  • @tylergoebel465
    @tylergoebel465 7 місяців тому

    Where I’m from we call it empires of age 4

  • @Rheaworthy
    @Rheaworthy 8 місяців тому

    Go blue!!

  • @RedOrbTalon
    @RedOrbTalon 8 місяців тому

    18:49 I would like to see a video covering it; if you agree, please like this comment!

  • @kylepazandak5578
    @kylepazandak5578 8 місяців тому

    Duck duck grey duck vs scissor paper rock

  • @mr_allba1453
    @mr_allba1453 8 місяців тому

    I'm bumping into hackers regularly maybe 1 in 5 games or so in ranked and more often in team ranked. I'd love for you to make a video about it I think it creates a problem when everyone pretends it's not happening! For example cod and it's streamers that also hack and noone talks about hacking while hacking in cod is rediculous. You're a big deal amongst the aoe communitie you're opinion on hackers will impact the communitie in a positive way, or atleast that's my opppinion. Anyway love toure work mate

    • @abhi5504
      @abhi5504 8 місяців тому

      how do you know if theyre hacking?

    • @mr_allba1453
      @mr_allba1453 8 місяців тому

      @@abhi5504 because you can watch the replay and see where they are looking and controlling. I vsed people sending priests out to pick up relics that are still in there fog of war.

  • @xnautro
    @xnautro 7 місяців тому

    in Russia we say rock scossors paper))

  • @jjz3562
    @jjz3562 8 місяців тому

    damn bro still saying brand new 😂

  • @co2bazillus420
    @co2bazillus420 8 місяців тому

    It's Rock Paper Scissors and yes that upsettet the fu.. outta me
    In german its scissors rock paper but its sounds so wrong in englisch 😂

  • @Laxboss69
    @Laxboss69 8 місяців тому

    The people we call Byzantine’s called themselves Romans. Iirc byzantines is a more modern term to differentiate the Eastern Roman Empire from the Western one.

  • @mr_allba1453
    @mr_allba1453 8 місяців тому

    I have used nothing but bysantines since the new patch bothe in ranked and everything else and. You're right aussie cataphract are an expensive unit and I'd evan say that reguler knights are better at raiding since cataphract don't have a charge attack and are slower. But cataphract are still an amazing unit they are worth there price if used correctly. Cataphract synagize with bysantines perfectly though and are worth there price in strength. Bysantines biggest weakness is there anti siege is as bad as it gets and bysantines make for a perfect anti siege unit when the horsemen can't get through and there basic springalds are just outmatched by better anti siege. plus there debuff to the enemy after stampede makes a big diff in big fights. They also synagize perfectly with the castle age cistern landmark due to there superior health and armour over reguler knights. Also I know you hate bysantines varangian gaurd but they also synergise perfectly with winery into the into forine engineering if you have either camel archers or camel riders since they then get the +2 armour and have the same armour and move attack and movespeed than a palace gaurd while in berserk. mode.

  • @sgtfuzzz
    @sgtfuzzz 8 місяців тому

    How often does Drongo’s wife have to hear the Trump impression?

  • @sammor9
    @sammor9 8 місяців тому

    So is the byzantine empire good now?

  • @mack911234
    @mack911234 8 місяців тому

    omg the one name XD

  • @dankolbas
    @dankolbas 8 місяців тому

    your trump impression was great!

  • @chrisnewtownnsw
    @chrisnewtownnsw 8 місяців тому

    cats are bad vs knights but counter things like archers and maa better than knights do. That's the trade off. similar to a how a palace guard is bad vs maa but better than maa at countering trash.

    • @Dryfter21
      @Dryfter21 8 місяців тому

      Cats are still too costly for what they do. MAA and Archers are cheap, and Cats get ripped apart by spears just as bad as knights. Their slow movement speed kills them imo. Not a terrible unit, but still a weak one.

  • @Sirsk8ordie
    @Sirsk8ordie 8 місяців тому

    The byzantines called themselves Romans. We call them the byzantines.

  • @AdamJDMartin
    @AdamJDMartin 7 місяців тому

    Do not say SPR. Bad Drongo. It's RPS.

  • @eli8029
    @eli8029 8 місяців тому

    🎉🎊

  • @laydan9500
    @laydan9500 8 місяців тому

    byzantine empire called themselves romans

  • @domtom79
    @domtom79 8 місяців тому +1

    Drongo, if you veto doing the casted game when you see that someone is cheating, maybe it would at least make a few cheaters think differently. Striker shouldnt get view time IMO with the map hacks (Zoom out). Either that or cast them but blast them the whole time for it :)

  • @AnnaStoller
    @AnnaStoller 8 місяців тому

    Cataphract should get 1000 health. Ans its still a Bad unit

  • @genesisSOC
    @genesisSOC 8 місяців тому

    Wait there's RNG in this game? Why? It can't be competitive with RNG

  • @timreed1360
    @timreed1360 8 місяців тому +2

    Stop cinematic mode

  • @kihohoki3382
    @kihohoki3382 8 місяців тому +1

    Australians are Aussies, so byzantinians are byziz.

  • @Basajaun10
    @Basajaun10 7 місяців тому

    They called themselves Romans mate. Some history please xDD