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Oberheim Matrix 12 vs. Matrix 6 - Sonic Siblings: A Direct Comparison

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  • Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
  • Join us while we do a direct comparison of these two classic Oberheim synthesizers. There is often confusion around this product line due to the shared namesake. So, we wanted to clarify some of the differences both in terms of circuit design and sonic character. It is easy to assume that the Matrix 12 is simply a Matrix 6 with double the polyphony, but this is not the case. In fact, the Matrix 6/6R/1000 are quite different than the Matrix 12 and Xpander. In this video, we'll show you why and let you hear the difference!
    Thank you for watching! Please consider subscribing to our channel! We are just two hobbyists who share a deep passion for synthesizers! 🙏
    The audio is a direct mix of primarily dry signal with some reverb added on an aux bus. No compression or EQ was used. The FX were recorded in tandem with the dry audio, not added in post. APOLOGIES for the inconsistent reverb mixes, we will sort it out for the next video. Our studio is a new build in progress.
    *When discussing the filters, I meant to say: "1, 2, 3, or 4 pole filter mode options", not dB per octave.*
    **Backing track is original content made with the Oberheim Matrix Series**
    ***I am just a technician, not a professional keyboardist. :)***
    *****Our Matrix 12 has had a rough past; you can see many battle scars on the front panel. Rest assured, we have plans to fully restore it to its former glory in the very near future. Many thanks to Craig ‪@sweetdiscretestudio8326‬ for recreating the Matrix-12 & Xpander front panel graphic overlays! Watch out for an install video!*****
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    As always, a huge thanks to www.jeffreylatour.com for the amazing filming & editing work!
    0:00 Intro
    0:52 Matrix Series Origins
    1:28 Circuit Design
    2:42 Features
    4:12 MSRP
    4:38 Factory Sound Comparison!
    10:54 Unique Sonic Favorites
    18:18 Outro

КОМЕНТАРІ • 75

  • @VintageSynthesizerSolutions
    @VintageSynthesizerSolutions  Рік тому +1

    We've released an updated version of this video without Effects for those who are interested: ua-cam.com/video/gzVSwz7uT6M/v-deo.html

  • @ErikHawk
    @ErikHawk 2 роки тому

    Great comparison! Good demo going back and forth between the two synths. Thanks for doing this video!

  • @TheObxpander
    @TheObxpander 2 роки тому +6

    Even though you're 'just a technician' the Human League "human' chops were good and sounded great on the m12!

  • @ManoOne-Music-Production
    @ManoOne-Music-Production 4 місяці тому

    Great video! I love my Xpander… I just got the Xk controller keyboard for it. They go well together

  • @juno6
    @juno6 2 роки тому +21

    I compared a matrix 6 and an Xpander some years ago. To my surprise, there wasn't that much of a difference, beyond the obvious (filter types, more modulators). In fact the 6 had better low end.

    • @VintageSynthesizerSolutions
      @VintageSynthesizerSolutions  2 роки тому +9

      The M6/6r/1000 is absolutely fantastic, but the Xpander/M12 is definitely a league above. Again, I love the DCO based Matrix synths: one of the best DCO synths ever made...
      Both are a true testament to Tom Oberheim, the sound of the 80's IMO! Thanks for watching!

    • @sK3LeTvM1
      @sK3LeTvM1 6 місяців тому

      @@VintageSynthesizerSolutions Back in 2000, I did replaced my Matrix 12 with 6x M1000. And guess what? The whole M1000 rack simply blew away the Matrix12. ua-cam.com/video/ZIRS_KOLHTA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TheSynthKing

    • @sK3LeTvM1
      @sK3LeTvM1 6 місяців тому +1

      I've owned a M12 back in the years. I did replace my M12 with 5x M1000. Guess what sounds better...

    • @desroi6967
      @desroi6967 5 місяців тому

      The M12@@sK3LeTvM1

    • @RoyChartier
      @RoyChartier 9 днів тому

      @@sK3LeTvM1 5xM1000

  • @DavidMorley
    @DavidMorley Рік тому +2

    I had an Xpander and have the Matrix 6. The Xpander is great for getting deep and the 6 mode multitimbral is actually very useful. But sonically I think the Matrix 6 is beautiful. Slightly more pleasant sounding. And it still has some decent deep possibilities.

  • @katwa511
    @katwa511 2 роки тому +4

    Both sound great!

  • @thorz.2222
    @thorz.2222 Рік тому +2

    The Matrix 12 actually has 6 LFO's, everyone forgets the VIBrato LFO per voice making it 6. It even calls it the 6th LFO in the manual.
    The Matrix 12 sounds clearer and crisper with cleaner tones, the Matrix 6 is gritty, and raspier.
    The Matrix 12 Multi-Patches are truly awesome! This and the added plethora of extra controllers is what draws me in.
    You could pitch-shift the instrument down an octave for demoing Bass patches...

  • @dannomusic47
    @dannomusic47 Рік тому +2

    I used to use a Matrix 6 in umpteen road bands back from 1985 to 1993 and I actually enjoyed tweaking existing patches from the presets and just taking something like the Toto Horns as a basic horn patch I could tweak sometimes even just as little as the ADSR and get very satisfying tactile response for horn sections in songs from back then like Would I Lie to You by the Eurythmics and on and on. Such a warm satisfying synth. I used it for horns, strings, basses, and miscellaneous stuff.
    Never should’ve parted with it.
    It’s always cracked me up how many people whine about programming it.
    It wasn’t that bad.

  • @philippezsiga1125
    @philippezsiga1125 Рік тому +7

    I own an OB-Xa and a M6+M1000
    Very interesting video… surprisingly i preferred lots of sounds on the M6 than the M12!

    • @fjfrancois
      @fjfrancois Рік тому

      👍🏻

    • @davebellamy4867
      @davebellamy4867 3 місяці тому +2

      Sometimes, I find that simplicity is beauty in synth sounds. Like on a 2 oscillator per voice synth, making single oscillator sounds can have a wonderful clarity. As well as the analogueness, the purity of old synthesiser sounds seems to be a frature of their beauty.

  • @erikvermeer2933
    @erikvermeer2933 2 роки тому +1

    Thanx, The 6 has more character, it comes alive

  • @sweetdiscretestudio8326
    @sweetdiscretestudio8326 2 роки тому +4

    Great informative video 👍👍

  • @asoundlab
    @asoundlab 2 роки тому +3

    Great video!!

  • @dancarter5595
    @dancarter5595 2 роки тому +7

    That Matrix 12 sounds utterly exquisite 👌

  • @JimDaneker
    @JimDaneker Рік тому +4

    Thanks for doing this! Very informative to hear these "siblings" side by side. I would LOVE to hear it done dry though - that reverb sounds awful and makes it hard to really hear these beauties as they are! Hopefully for the next one!?

  • @MIDERA
    @MIDERA 2 роки тому +9

    I love my Matrix 1000. I love it more than my Prophet 10 (for sound alone). It's very weird.
    I love it more than my Prophet 12. More than the Prophet REV2 (which I just didn't like very much at all). More than well... probably most of the gear I own.
    I sold my Juno 106 years ago and kept my Matrix 1000. I should have also kept the Juno... but now I've bought a Juno 6 and like that more than the 106.
    Would love a Matrix 12 or Xpander... but probably am not going to do it -_-

    • @VintageSynthesizerSolutions
      @VintageSynthesizerSolutions  2 роки тому +5

      The M1000 is truly superb. What 1U rack synth for $1000 does so much and sounds soo good?!?

    • @frankbossert1002
      @frankbossert1002 2 роки тому +1

      You should get another M1000 and the new Polychain Box - you'll never think about a Matrix 12 again :-) I made a video concerned to the Polychain-box: ua-cam.com/video/AXfMAXTTLgE/v-deo.html

    • @RishandaSinggih
      @RishandaSinggih Рік тому

      Agree! Surprisingly, I love it more than my Prophet 5, too soundwise.. Love your videos of it, too!! Would love to see more 🙏🙌

  • @thehistoryofchingfordwater8933

    Fantastic sem.

  • @geoffk777
    @geoffk777 2 роки тому +1

    For a performer, the biggest difference isn't the polphony or sound, but the fact that the M12 has a full panel of knobs that you can tweak in real time, whereas the M6 has a DX7 style, parameter/value entry system, which isn't really usable to make real-time changes. You can use MIDI mapping or controller modules to help that, but it's still an big disadvantage. On the flip side, they do sound pretty similar, and the M12 still costs as much as a car, whereas the M6 is something of a bargain and is still availabe for $1000 or less used. If money is no object, the M12 is clearly more desirable, but, for most musicians, the M6 is a much better value nowadays--in fact, it might be the very last affordable classic Oberhem that you can get.
    I own a M6 rack, but I doubt that I'll ever spend the money for an M12 at the current (ot future) prices. I do have the Arturia M12 VST, if I really want to try out the unique sounds on it.

  • @himalayanvoices2158
    @himalayanvoices2158 Рік тому +1

    Everyone seems to miss the fact that the 6 has a 24/db filter, and every other Obie has a 12/db filter. This makes the character different, with tighter,deeper bass. I love my 6! Had an Xpander for a while, realized I didn't need 6 lfos, 5 envelopes, 5 ramps, and the Partridge in the pear tree. Never used them and the interface is NOT easy to get around, despite the knobs and displays. Sounded great, but not thousands of dollars great...

    • @TheObxpander
      @TheObxpander Рік тому

      Early SEM obies and OBX are 2 pole/12db, but the Xa/8 at least had the 4 pole/24 db option, as does the Xpander/M12. I too own an M6, as well as an Xpander, and I think that unless you're really after the extra features and modulation routings the Xpander offers, you can definitely get the experience and flavor from the M6. For me, I can't live without the linear VCO FM the Xpander offers, whereas it's just filter FM for the M6. Also, the saturation and fizz from the Xpander/M12 CEM 3372 is just music to my ears and isn't quite present in the M6's 3396.

  • @BILLYPATRON
    @BILLYPATRON 11 місяців тому

    I bought the Xpander on an impulse buy from a synth store in seattle after flipping through the presets once. Then I returned my OBx8 which is a great synth but didn’t sound like the old Ob8. Something was missing. It was shinier maybe but definitely a feeling you get with these older synths.

  • @fabiocuccu3689
    @fabiocuccu3689 2 роки тому +2

    I love the M6. Quite has its own character doesn't it. I would love to have a M12 too but it wouldn't replace it in my heart.

  • @SeverityOne
    @SeverityOne Рік тому +2

    The Matrix-1000 is still on my wish list, but considering it is on the wish list of a lot of other people, asking prices are higher than what I feel comfortable paying.

    • @M80-
      @M80- Рік тому

      www.youtube.com/@M80-/featured

  • @tedstahl3794
    @tedstahl3794 2 роки тому +3

    Both are extraordinary instruments. I had a friend who had a Matrix-12 and another who had an X-Pander. However, I remain content with two poly-chained Matrix-1000s. I'm very tempted to get the fancy Stereoping editor. We'll see...

    • @reginaldbowls7180
      @reginaldbowls7180 Рік тому

      Get the alpesmachines controller if you can. It has much better features and cheaper but is rare and more boutique.

    • @M80-
      @M80- Рік тому

      www.youtube.com/@M80-/featured

  • @philippezsiga1125
    @philippezsiga1125 Рік тому +3

    Sound at 17 on the M6 is incredible!
    Would be interesting to listen both of them with no reverb

  • @kicksNCY
    @kicksNCY Місяць тому

    Just wow....

  • @RoyChartier
    @RoyChartier Рік тому

    Great video. Not sure you really touched on the true capability of the M12 however, which far exceeds the M6/6R. The M12 definitely sounds better. Curious about the reverb you used, it sounded 80s a Korg/Yamaha/Roland verb or multi efx on a verb setting, as it was quite full, and may have taken a little away from the comparison.

  • @danielpirone8028
    @danielpirone8028 2 роки тому +2

    Thanks! A bit heavier reverb on the 12? And perhaps missing some bass on the 12 as well ?

    • @VintageSynthesizerSolutions
      @VintageSynthesizerSolutions  2 роки тому +1

      Same FX bus used on both so it should be identical, but it does sound heavier on the 12 watching it back now. The studio is a new build in progress, will investigate. As far as low end on the 12, it's always sounded as is. It definitely needs a service when I can find the time, but the 6 does seem to have more bottom end.

    • @Cydelixization
      @Cydelixization 2 роки тому +1

      @@VintageSynthesizerSolutions Matrix 6 has a lot of low end in general compared to Matrix 12 in every unit. So this is pretty common.

  • @dalelaushman8749
    @dalelaushman8749 2 роки тому +2

    nice. the matrix 12 sounds better to my ears. did you use a vintage reverb? it sounds ringy, like an old alesis.

  • @sjstudiotv2011
    @sjstudiotv2011 Рік тому

    A question. Matrix 12 Do you have this sound on this link? themselves beginning in the duration of 0:00 to 00:16
    ua-cam.com/video/yna3A7LUw18/v-deo.html

  • @juliusdobos
    @juliusdobos Рік тому

    A more unexpected difference in sound is actually between the 6 and the 1000 - and that’s a clearly different character that’s hard to describe with the usual adjectives.

  • @louierubio
    @louierubio 2 роки тому +1

    Would be cool to hear a side by side w no fx - thanks for the vid God bless

  • @davebellamy4867
    @davebellamy4867 3 місяці тому

    2:52 Does Birdland actually sound like 'Birdland' by Weather Report?

  • @lownrgy
    @lownrgy Рік тому +2

    I have had both Matrix 6R and Xpander, the most significant difference is multimode where you can layer same (or any other) patch up to six times and use separate outs with tuning, panning, processing etc.

  • @markosmi81
    @markosmi81 20 днів тому

    I have matrix 6. Preset sounds are nothing compared to where u can go in making your own patches

  • @amob2710
    @amob2710 2 роки тому +3

    They both sound more analog than current analog synths.

  • @qaisbenjamin8238
    @qaisbenjamin8238 Рік тому

    😎😎😎,,, that was good, I like that,

  • @frankbossert1002
    @frankbossert1002 2 роки тому +2

    Since the Stereoping Polychainer came out - it's a new game: ua-cam.com/video/AXfMAXTTLgE/v-deo.html

  • @Valmont2001
    @Valmont2001 2 роки тому +7

    I don't really feel that Oberheim character on the M6, rather reminds me of JX8P than anything else... A bit like the SixTrack in regard of Sequential Circuits x) On point video tho, very interesting my friend!

    • @frankbossert1002
      @frankbossert1002 2 роки тому +2

      In my opinion the Matrix 6 has much more Oberheim Character than the 12 - two Matrix 6R in stereo sound like this: Iua-cam.com/video/AXfMAXTTLgE/v-deo.html&lc=Ugw94q7X0JXbHEDMJYF4AaABAg

    • @gcoudert
      @gcoudert Рік тому

      I tried a Matrix-6 when it first came out and, to my ears, it sounded quite... generic, for want of a better word. I was a Juno-60, JX-3P (later JX-8P) and DX7 user and it didn't feel the M6 would add anything to my sonic arsenal. That said, I wouldn't mind owning a Matrix-6R or Matrix-1000 now!

  • @KirklandWilliamsWorkout3000

    Matrix 12 sounds more wider like it’s panned more into the stereo …. The Matrix just sounds full without being panned

  • @MarkIreland_carrierband
    @MarkIreland_carrierband 2 роки тому +2

    the M6 has no knobs and it is just complicated enough to make it tricky to adjust the mod matrix

    • @80ssynthfan48
      @80ssynthfan48 2 роки тому

      I'm in sight of a cheaper than usual M6 locally. But the difficulty of programming is holding me back.

    • @fabiocuccu3689
      @fabiocuccu3689 2 роки тому

      @@80ssynthfan48 You'll get used to its workflow, don't worry.

    • @80ssynthfan48
      @80ssynthfan48 2 роки тому

      @@fabiocuccu3689 I'm a beginner in synthesisers. I think it would be a step too far at this stage.

    • @M80-
      @M80- Рік тому

      @@80ssynthfan48 You need only a Programmer, like mine. Works fine.

  • @1vootman
    @1vootman 2 роки тому +2

    I'd take an Andy over both of 'em

  • @ambientstereorecordings3528
    @ambientstereorecordings3528 9 місяців тому

    Too bad you just played cookie cutter vanilla string/pad/brass sounds. The Matrix 6/6R is the sound of Moby's "early underground" era. It's a techno monster. He lies in interviews and tells people that he used a Jupiter 6, but.... we know better. That filter is unmistakable.

  • @smitlag
    @smitlag Рік тому

    Too much reverb and delay. It's all on what you are trying to accomplish. Are you a sound designer or a performer. The M6 has some pretty impressive modulation options even by today's standards. At an affordable price point on the used synth market. The M12 is a luxurious collectors item best left in a nice studio. They are not fun to program without an editor.

  • @AdamRobertshaw
    @AdamRobertshaw Рік тому

    For future reference your demo at 4:50 was awful, at least play in time or something, it was horrificly jarring and paints a bad image of the synth. Also m8... mono... seriously? Use the stereo dude, it's one of the power features of this synth.