@@larrymacfarlane1799 ROFLMAO.....I had one of those turbo Sundance's leave my 305 TPI Iroc-Z in the dust LOL. I did beat a a GLHS Colt with my 72' Cuda' though.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: up until 2005, you could buy parts directly from Oldsmobile in the rocket parts catalogue. These parts including faster cams, stronger internals, bigger valves and different heads, as well as a supercharger kit for the later 2.4l twin cam. The Quad 442 was capable of low 15 seconds from the factory, and even faster with some modding. Make no mistake, these are fast little cars. The Turbo Quad 4 was planned for 1989, but was scrapped by late 1987 because it was much faster than the Corvette. It pushed out 250hp and 250ft lbs. They put 58 of those motors in the 1987 Olds Cutlass pace car, and it was so powerful, it bent the frame, and so every Oldsmobile convertible after that sported the B pillar bar. These same cars were bought back by GM and crushed, except for 2 that we know of. Those cars are hidden and will probably never see the light of day until 'new GM' is bankrupt. The Oldsmobile Quad 4 set many records in 1987 with AJ Foyt and the Quad 4 that have yet to be beaten today, including fastest factory 4 cylinder, fastest flying mile, and fastest pass on 4 cylinders from the factory. No other brand since then has attempted to beat it.
I was a dealer tech and then an instructor 1974-2001. The Neon ACR was the RoadRunner/SuperBee of the '90s. All the go-fast goodies in a bare bones package.
My grand father had one with a stick and that 150hp twin cam.. the PT GT had a detuned srt4 engine, which wasn't the same setup, the srt4 was it's own insanity, but the gen before with the acr badge was a much better road course car..
@@rustbeltrobclassic2512 Yeah, I should have clarified. The ACR was an absolute autocross beast. Ford ZX2 SR was pretty competitive too. Especially using the "For what it is" qualifier lol It's an American Ford Escort, not a Cossie. But it was the closest thing we got that had that spirit in it. The R/T was a great base to start from too. Then the insanity of the SRT and them pulling their own Forester XT of putting a detuned STI engine into grandmas car lol. That was a fun car. Had all the STI bits minus the fancy cams. Instead I had Prodrive upgrade everything else so I had more power than an STI with a proper 4.444 final drive like the RA instead of the 3.90 of the street STI. Absolute monster on the street lol Not great for highway use lol But just absolutely fun for around town driving. Second owner apparently put it into a tree or something. Found it a few years ago in a wrecking yard with the entire front end and roof destroyed :( Hoped to try and buy it back.
@@bensabelhaus7288 That's sad, i always wondered what has happened to cars i have loved through the years. Most of my "fun" cars were fun for reasons or events in my life, more than for being actually fast cars. I mean fast in a relative term, where at the time they were fast, but today they would get spanked by pretty much everything on the road.. Call me old fashion, but they all had a different soul and even without the raw speed, they had a personality of their own. I have an 89 corolla GTS with a 4ag in it, no e, removed the efi for weber side draft carbs.. wasn't fast by todays standards, but those carbs open at 7k rpm was an experience. Had a 99 Corolla with a 2zzge from a celica pre retuned version where you got 8600rpm at redline.. again not fast, but at 8k before shifting it was an experience.. I love cars, but man it would be soul crushing to see a previous love that was wrapped around a tree.
I am telling you, the Berretta GTZ was a tuff looking car. Super 90's esthetic and cool color options. The body color alloys would still look fresh today. They sounded good too. GM did it right. The Supercharged Bonneville was dang sweet too. As a teen coming out of the boring cars of the 80's ,with few exceptions, it was cool to see these on the lots. Great video and it sure brings back memories. I only had 5.0 Notchback 5spd Mustangs during most of the 90's but that's a different ball of wax altogether. But they were stepping stones that helped get us to where we are today with the fastest street cars ever produced. Again, thanks for the video. 😊
@@Redline1986 That's pretty cool. Poor guy must've been sweating bullets. I still have to teach my nephew when I get my Probe GT back together. 6 cylinder a little harder to stall, and the car likes a quicker clutch release without causing neck snap. Great for beginners.
@@pgtmr2713 Absolutely, my mom ended up teaching me with the quad442. It was a heavy race clutch, but made for a great teaching tool in obtaining a smooth release of the clutch pedal.
I had the Pontiac version of this car, a 1988 Grand Am Quad-4. I recall smoking a couple Hondas in it. It was a fun car and the first car I had with A/C, shiny paint and 4 matching tires.
A friend of mine's father has a red Beretta. Makes me think of Joe dirt. He won it brand new unloaded from trailer at his house. Beaten, patched, mismatched body plates looking like it's pushing a 100 years old. Still running as his daily driver as of 2018 when I was visiting Fresno, Ca. Don't recall exactly but was nearing 400k on it's first engine and third transmission. When you look at him I honestly think in his mind he's in that brand new Beretta everything he drives; loves that car. I think that's a great thing. Thanks for another fun and informative video!
The 91 Calais 442 w41 and it’s successor, the 92 SCX w41- had 190 hp. The HO Quad used in other GM models made 180, but the W41 made an additional 10 (185 in the 93 SCX.)
Creator, great video as usual. these were all my favorites growing up. Thank you for doing all this research and providing us with the memories. Great job.
That Beretta Z26 is still one of my dream cars to own(Either Blue, yellow, or Raspberry Metallic). It looks like a mini 3rd gen Camaro from the front but unique in its own way. Still a shame they never pushed the convertible version out.
I remember in 1988 when my old man bought a brand new Beretta GT. At the time I thought it was the coolest car I ever seen. I was only 8 at the time. I thought the all digital dash was so cool
@@motorcitymanman7711 nope, the 1.9 was a single overhead cam made by ford used in run of the mill standard issue cars. The 1.8 is the double ohc used in the gt’s (early to mid 90s anyway) Way more snappy! Same engine as some of the protégés in the same era.
@TheMajictech I've seen Escorts with the 1.9 that's why I asked. I had a 82 Escort manual can't remember what motor I had. I also had a 84 EXP 2 seater that one had a 1.6ltr.
*Of note, the standard Quad4 put out 180hp, while the W41 version squeezed out 10 more horsepower due to a revised camshaft (and probably some other minor tweaks). I owned the Quad4 in several Beretta GTZs over the years, and while a bit noisy, it did perform very well for early 90s four cylinders. I also owned a Spirit R/T, which came equipped with the same 2.2L Turbo III in the Daytona IROC/RT. Super quick (but with a heavy clutch) and much more of a sleeper than the Daytona ever could be.
Thank you for the video. I enjoyed the Oldsmobile information and the footage you shared. The list was informative and interesting. It is clear you did your research and explained what you learned. I did not knows you liked Oldsmobile. That was a fun fact. You could do a video on the luxury coupes, but it would take some effort. Thank you for the effort.
@@GreenHawkDrive This will be interesting to see. I will look forward to that video and see how much you learn and share and your footage too as well. Thank you again.
13:20 Similar story with the 3rd gen eclipse. The Eclipse which met Federal emissions standards had five more hp than ones that met California emissions standards: “CARB-compliant”. That’s a possible explanation for you.
Another great video! It’s so much fun for me to see these cars I remember from new, I even test drove quite a few. Thanks again!,Your efforts are much appreciated!
Had a 85 Buick Somerset V6. Same platform as the Oldsmobile Calais. Ran for almost 200,000 miles. Until I hit a deer anyway. It was comfortable, large doors and plenty of room. Always started in winter. No complaints.
I had a 92 Daytona back in 2008-09 It was so cool I loved that car. I only had the NA 4 cylinder but it did have the 5 speed manual. It was a lot of fun to drive and people were always talking to me about it. best 900$ I ever spent.
13:15 While I can't find any specific info on this particular detune, there are a few reasons for them. I have read that the 3100 had a piston slap problem: It may have been detuned as a stopgap measure to reduce this issue somewhat, in an outgoing model. This is my personal guess. Other more general reasons for a mild detune: There was no actual detune; numbers were adjusted for marketing reasons. There may or may not have been a detune: numbers were adjusted for insurance reasons. Exhaust or intake might have been slightly revised for emissions or different hardware. Engine had excessive NVH (noise/vibration/harshness) levels and got complaints. Drivetrain reliability might have been worse at higher tune, resulting in more warranty claims. The Quad4 had many such detunes over its run, for instance. It was so buzzy at high RPM that they eventually put a pair of counter-rotating balance shafts in the engine. This added reciprocating mass to the engine, and while helping with the NVH, it reduced output, economy, or throttle response. Car & Driver was, at least back then, very meticulous about documenting something like a 5 hp detune. You might find more insight there. Cheers! -nevin
13:17 - I think they adopted newer California emissions standards, which dropped output a little. I recall slightly lower HP for several engines at brands across the industry.
Also, that's the change of computers to go from OBD-I to OBD-II. Lots of vehicles had revised ratings around then. Of course the 3100 got back the lost power and gained extra for the 2000 model year
I bought a 1985 Dodge Shelby Charger that was a turbo charges 4 cylinder with a 5 speed manual and 195/50-15 tire/alloy wheel setup. As long as you had the engine at 2,000+ rpm it was a rocket. Torque steer was awful, but it was huge fun to drive. It came to market about the same time as Dodge Omni GLH (Goes Like Hell) 4 door hatchback.
I started driving in the 1980s during the time Vehicles were just starting to recover from the 1980’s when almost every car was gutless. So these 1990s cars seemed fast by comparison. Single digit 0-60 times became somewhat common again 😅
The 2.3 LG0/W41 mated to the Getrag 5-speed was an understated BEAST for the time, allowing the Grand AM H.O. and 442 to keep pace with all of the American V8 sports cats, outside of the Corvette.
Another great trip down memory lane, thank you Green Hawk Drive! Had a Calais 442, Plymouth Duster, Beretta Z26 and a Daytona Pacifica... Love to have any of them back now!
It’s wild how I used to think all these cars were ugly back then.. now with current car designs, I’m looking at them and thinking that they’re not too bad actually lol
We gotta talk about the Achieva SCX "evolution" and the Z26 portion... because you forgot one major oversight of the '94 Z26. About the SCX: the predecessor was the 442 W41, the 442's/Calais International's direct replacement was the Achieva SC with W44 High Output package. And about that Z26 oversight: the 3100 may have debuted in the Z26, but the LG0 Quad High Output was standard in 896 more Z26s for 1994, although only now making 170hp for the final 1994 model year of the High Output. Not only that, the 3100s were detuned for '96 instead of '95, because the '95 3100 was considered as OBD 1.5. I've owned two of each engine on both platforms. My two 3100s were a '94 Z26 and '95 Grand Am GT Sedan, I've also owned two of the 719 '93 High Output Grand Am GT Sedans.
Great video. I had the olds cutlas caliais Quad 442 W41. It had over 7000 redline. The engine screamed like a motorcycle engine. One of the cool things is that it had a strut running across the fire wall. They only made it in red and only made 200 of them. The W41 had silver stripes while the w40 had gold. It handled very well.
weird thing about that engine... when it first came out it was a pretty decent little engine. reliability was decent. BUT at time wore on, subsequent generatons started having flaws in the heads. i remember reading about how on the later version of the engine how the heads would crack if the engine got to hot. For example, when the water pump went out, the car had to be stopped immediately, no limping to the gas station to put some water in. the aluminum was so thin in a certain section of the head that it would crack.
absolutely great video, I worked for GM Canada in Fleet/Lease dept, we were the oldest Chef-Olds dealer in Winnipeg where i live and within 3 blocks were Buick Pontiac-Cadillac and Dodge dealer, I sold and leased almost every car you mentioned on the GM list, big advantage for me was being in the fleet dept, i could get a new Buick or Pontiac model and lease it to my customers, we didn't use GMAC, it was our own money so the interest rate was basically half of any posted rate anyone offered back then, Bonneville SSE-i kickass cars came loaded, the Olds Calais Quad 442 better than a Z-24 just a few thousand more, worth every cent, I sold a pair of them to an engineer he use to do some rally racing and ice racing and turned one of them into a rally car, it was black and he stripped out the interior did a roll cage and stiffeners were it flexed too much and got the front struts from the Beretta GTZ to put in the front of the 442, back then it was a new car model and no real aftermarket support like you'd finding a JDM car, building his own air intake made a difference by getting rid of all the factory plastic stuff and used a K&N pod filter, the car did fairly well and was quicker after the modes he removed nearly 500 pounds out of the car and he even finished 3rd twice, not bad for an OLDS 442, our dealership even sponsored him for the first season , no one wanted the Dodge cars, although they were some really cool cars, massive amounts of build quality issues and the Dodge Neons had head gasket problems even on the turbo units they also has issues, they sure went like hell after the turbo kicked in, all turbo stuff back then had turbo lag, when you talk about the Beretta GTZ and Lumina Z34 the GTZ was just as fast, it was allot lighter by approx 650lbs and only 20 hp less and it won the race until about 100 mph when the Lumina would catch up and pull ahead slightly , it was the close ratio gearing in the 5 speed of the GTZ and if memory serves me the final drive ratio was around 3.71 or 3.63, the Lumina was like 3.23 , the nuttiest car to drive back then was the Dodge Omni GLH, the American version of a Golf GTI except the GLH was way faster and out handled it by far, it was the fastest thing Dodge built at the time light weight well balanced and turbo intercooled with EFI and one of the first versions of sort of coil packs, i believe the ignition was Japanese, it was 175bhp and 175 ft lbs torque and it only weighed 2100 lbs 60mph in 6.3 secs even today thats quick and it was under $18000.00, it was the only car for a few years that had over 80hp per litre, I had a chance to drive a friends sons car, it was quick, then he showed me how fast it was, he was younger haha and better reflexes what a time to be in the car business some of the best years of my life, the hottest and craziest car i drove back then was a Corvette ZR-1 stupid fast then, not so much now 😌
So, this entire time I actually owned an ACR!?!? The four-banger in that car was a BEAST! It burned oil like crap in it's final day but would run on 1qt. I primed mines grey and added a cherry bomb with an 04 art scorpion wing.
Graduated high school in 1989, immediately got a job selling Oldsmobiles..I remember when our olds district sales rep gave us a visit in early fall ‘89 with the as of yet unreleased new Calais Quad442..outwardly, my 18 year old self scoffed. What a joke, compared to the 442 of the 70’s!..inwardly though, I have to be honest. It was pretty cool. My and another sales guy took her demo out and gave it quite a thrashing and it was a lot of fun. That thing boogied compared to anything else at the time. I miss those days.
The first Shelby CSX appeared in 1987. Power came from Shelby's intercooled Turbo II 2.2 L inline-four, producing 175 hp (130 kW) at 5300 rpm and 175 ft·lbf (237 Nm) of torque from 2200-4800 rpm.[1] The engine was Chrysler's new intercooled Turbo IV equipped with a Getrag A555 5-speed transmission. The variable geometry turbo vanes were computer controlled and needed no wastegate.[4] Instead, they adjusted the flow of exhaust gases to spool up instantly and provide strong power. Chrysler kept the horsepower rating at 175 hp (130 kW), but upped the torque rating to 205 ft·lbs (278 Nm) at 2100 rpm.[5] Full torque was available from this low rpm to well past redline. Turbo lag was eliminated, with full boost (15 psi spike) available at 2100 rpm. Car and Driver magazine called it "a high-tech hot rod" and "a technological showcase" and were impressed with the engine's flexibility and top-gear acceleration. (They tested it to 156 mph (251 km/h).)
I owned an 89 LO Calais, a 90 Calais International Series, a 90 Beretta GTZ, a 92 GA GT, and a 92 Achieva SC. The I-series ran 15 flat in the 1/4 bone stock. The GTZ was very slightly slower but would top out higher due to better aero. The 92 Achieva was my autocross car. It was gutted and caged. Had a custom header on a transplanted and blueprinted W41 spec engine. Though it was a parking lot cone chaser, it ran 13.80s pretty easy. The 92 GA GT had a custom built Quad4. 11:1 CR, 226/.410 lift cams, titanium retainers, forged ross pistons, eagle rods, LS1 valve springs, and lighter bucket lifters with a custom epromm burnt by olds engineers from the old rocket parts days. It loved to turn 8000rpm and did so easily. Never took that car to the track but it easily outran my Achieva, and still got 32mpg at 70mph. Sadly, rare doesn't mean expensive or desirable in all cases and cars wear out. I don't have the cars but I have the memories.
I worked at an Olds dealer in the 90’s. I remember driving the Calais 442 and the Achieva in manuals. The cars were fun sporty and good looking for the day. Still inferior to other cars unfortunately
My Stepmom had a 94 MK VIII in the Maroon color, fully loaded (heated leather seats, CD changer in the trunk, everything digital) was a sick car in it's day, you punched the gas on it, and it literally felt like it was pouncing on something. The interior looked like the bridge of the TNG Enterprise. That thing ate gas though.
@@user-ow1jb7wg8u I've got a 97 toreador red and man is it quick for its size, you are absolutely right about the interior I've said for years it looks like a spaceship inside, yea gas mileage isn't bad for how heavy it is I mean it's just as good if not slightly better than a new Mustang.
The Aerotek Oldsmobile was able to go over 200 mph in IndyCar chassis. Featured in Hot rod magazine a guy took his Cutlass Cali quad for automatic four-door built it did over 200 miles an hour at the Bonneville salt flats.
Thanks for putting this video out there. Lots of these cars were completely memoryholed, yet very common back in the day. It's like a completely lost period of automotive history thanks to cash for clunkers.
The shadow/Sundance was a really good looking car in hindsight. Very nice driving too. I had one with the 2.5 TBI and a five speed. It was probably the best winter car I've ever had.... I could drive it down snowmobile trails and it wouldn't get stuck. I would put it up against my current Subaru Outback in a snow storm and it would probably do better.... I used to own through snow that was up to the headlights and it would just keep trucking.
In 95, I was looking to buy my first new car and it was between the newly released Monte Carlo or a Beretta Z26. I ended up with the Monte Carlo since it was higher end but I still loved the Z26s. There was a color combo it was offered in with a burgundy/fuchsia like color and gold graphics that was stunning.
I drove a lot of these cars new or nearly new. The 87 Beretta GT had a 2.8 in it that I drove with a 5 speed manual. I drove a 90 Grand Am SE with the Quad 4 and stick shift. The Escort ZR2, two different ones, both stick. A Dodge Omni 0.24 with was essentially a Daytona. The Mitsubishi Mirage S ES and LS which cousin the Colt became the Neon. Hated the Tempo in any form but drove two, both sedans one auto one stick. Would never drive a Neon but rode in my friends when she gave me a ride. Out of all of the the Grand Am stood out most with how torquey it was and the Beretta with it's V6 sound. That engine sounded wonderful, also the base sound systems were quite good for what they were.
I wish I still had my Beretta GTZ. My pops and I swapped in an entire Pontiac GXP drivetrain with clutchless paddle shift 240 HP and a beautiful exhaust note. I don't even have a photo of her anymore :(
CORRECTION: The base model in 1988 had the 2.3l Quad 4, with 150hp and 150ftlb. The HO version that had 180hp and 160ftlb didn't come out until after the Quad 442. In 1991, the W41 Quad 442 was pushing 195hp and 180lbft from the factory.
I had an Achieva scx 2-door that was in basically excellent condition. I bought it for $500 in 2008, drove it for about 2 years before I let my brother in law borrow it, and he blew the engine. It was a pretty cool little car.
there was a black beretta gtz for 5000 bucks on my local kijiji a few months ago. i already have a car, and am not really a fleet of cars type of guy. but it looked well cared for, and i was tempted as heck.
i have a "sports sedan" that's fairly rare today. it's a 2003 bonneville SSEi 3800 L67 supercharged. with the few bolt ons it has (PCM tune, pulley swap, 160 thermostat) it's a real hoot to drive. no slouch for a 4 dr family car
I had a '92 Sundance Duster V6 with a manual transmission and bought for $10,029 off the dealer lot, red, with a sunroof. Unfortunately, drove it only 42k miles as the Mitsu V6 burned about 1.5 quarts every 3k miles. Paint chipped on the hood when it said anti-chip paint. Despite that, was fun to drive and loved the growl and grunt of the V6! Sold it 4 yrs later and bought a '92 Taurus SHO with a manual. That was a fun car, too, BUT had its own issues.
That Neon ACR clip brought lots of memories, had a new one back in 96, it was a fun car, reliable, you forgot to mention the ECU was reprogrammed with no rev limit. Drove it until 2004, only thing wrong with it was a blown head gasket which was a known defected.
I owned a '92 Acheiva with the four cylinder. Not the Quad 4 but adequate none the less. There was a cash reward offered for anyone making over 500hp with a Quad4. Oldsmobile was flushed with cash after the Cuttlass Ceira smash hit in '86. I'm sure this allowed the innovations that followed
Good Episode!!!!! I loved the Baretta’s !! I have a guy in my neighborhood who has one just sitting in his driveway. The body looks good but the interior is torn apart. He keeps saying he gonna put it back together but it’s been over 15yrs! He won’t even sell it!😵💫😵💫
@@GreenHawkDrive red metallic, Ford called it Laser Red which I find fun, working on getting some nicer wheels for it. Already did some upgrades: RNJ Performance headers, Borla exhaust, modern LED headlights and fog lights, properly piped down cold air intake, new aluminum radiator and Michelin pilot sports. Plus I refitted a period correct radio, that does cassette, cd and Am/FM. And saving up to do a head gasket replacement before October.
I believe that the decrease in 3100 V-6 was to help with CAFE standards..It could have also come from, if G.M. added it, a counterrotating balance shaft, of which have quieted the engine but robbed it horsepower. The Quad 4 engine started off with 150 hp, later had it's power increased to 160 and then simultaneously, had an available 190 hp High Output (H.O.) option. And before the end of it's manufacturing, a counterrotating balance shaft was (finally) added, I believe to the 160 hp version and that reduced the power back 150 hp, but now smoother and quieter in all of the vehicles applications it was available in.
I had a daytona turbo z Carroll Shelby edition that i absolutely loved! T tops, black leather and paint, gold wheels miss that car😢 i also had a probe with the mazda V6. It wasn't that fast but it was fun.
The R/T and ZX2 were absolute beasts in autocross. For the time of course, but they were also being a thorn in the side of WRX drivers when they came out lol
The 89-91 cs Daytona had 16 psi on a forged bottom end. We would later figure out, we could easily run 24 psi! Mine was still at 16 and would hook up at 90-95 mph, mid way through 3rd on the a555 manual with a 9" oem clutch. The 24psi guys saw 450+ hp on a stock common block
One of my 90s dream cars is a Dodge Daytona Shelby Z. The turbo-II engine was fantastic for the time. The Turbo III was cool cuz it had the Lotus head that made around 50 more horseporks, but parts are harder to get later and there was less aftermarket support. The Turbo II has a huge following to this day and it's not hard to get a custom flowed head, forged internals, and higher duration cams. I had a Dodge Shadow ES convertible with a built 2.2 that hauled ass. Also, I bought the first ZX2 S/R sold. It's since been sent to the junkyard after the frame rusted through.
@@GreenHawkDrive my college roommate's dad bought it new in 98/99 from Columbus. I bought it off him in 2014 near the end of its life. It had been resprayed a burnt orange, but the original color and number plaque were on the inside. It handled well while the car was still in good shape. It reminded me of an early attempt at the the SRT4 ACR and Cobalt SS minus the power. That said, the Cobalt SS handled significantly better due to the newer suspension design. I'd buy another ZX2 if I could find one in good shape. Doesn't even have to be an S/R. They were fun to drive at the limit.
If it was made in the 90's, i probably dig it. I like several models from every manufacturer in the 90's, no american bias here either, i love the foreign stuff too.
My mom had a Daytona when I was a kid. It "caught on fire" in the parking lot of her work, or so she told me because I was obsessed with the car. In truth it got repossessed.
Rev limiter was changed from 6500 down to 5500 if you use an ECU from the year prior it'll dyno with the full power the engine is capable of but with gear ratio being what it was the new limit meant the manual car would cut out at 125 where the unlimited cars could top out at 140.
The 3.1 liter V6 in the 1993-1995 Beretta was lowered by 5hp for cold start reasons. I suppose that meant the car would be easier to start in cold weather.
The Duster/ Shadow ES could have been had with the 2.5L 4 cyl as a credit delete for the V6 for even a lower price. All looks , but no bite. A base Beretta could be had with the v6 for those who wanted to save money and didn't need the Z26 exterior trim.
Back in 1991, there was one car that I wanted but didn't get. It was a 1991/92 Pontiac Grand Am GT (4 door) with a V6. I got the Integra instead because the GT had a 3 speed auto at the time which for me back then was a deal breaker. But I love the look, the interior and motor of that car. After 1 year, I traded my Integra for a Eagle Talon TSi AWD.
I remember in the early 2000's at all the local autocross events there was a young guy that could really wheel. He was taking names and kicking ass in his class all season in a ACR Neon. I was young and not too interested in the little four banger but my old man who is all about a solid little sports car was very intrigues by the car. Looking back now, I probably should have tracked one down for a fun daily driver.
@@GreenHawkDrive They sure are hard to find, the rusted to nothing and were hardly promoted at all. I remember this guy changing his tires a couple races into the season and the car went from howling around with visible understeer to being able to lift the inside rear tire in the tight corners. Keep up the good work on the channel. I was a teen in the early 2000's so most of the cars on your channel were the one I could afford, raced against or lusted after. If you ever want someone to consult with about the street cred of a car in that time period.
I was a teen in the 70's so I grew up with the big block cars before the detuning of them in the mid 70's. I have to admit I didn't pay much attention to these models as they weren't big blocks but were using some of the names of the former big blocks. That said, thank you for sharing this as it was really informative as to what I wasn't paying attention to at the time. Keep the content coming. Cheers!
That Sundance/ Duster commercial was saucy . It got me an extended warranty…
Your head gasket is leaking….
Too bad you suffer from engine malfunction....
@@larrymacfarlane1799 ROFLMAO.....I had one of those turbo Sundance's leave my 305 TPI Iroc-Z in the dust LOL. I did beat a a GLHS Colt with my 72' Cuda' though.
The Sundance was a fun little car
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: up until 2005, you could buy parts directly from Oldsmobile in the rocket parts catalogue. These parts including faster cams, stronger internals, bigger valves and different heads, as well as a supercharger kit for the later 2.4l twin cam. The Quad 442 was capable of low 15 seconds from the factory, and even faster with some modding. Make no mistake, these are fast little cars.
The Turbo Quad 4 was planned for 1989, but was scrapped by late 1987 because it was much faster than the Corvette. It pushed out 250hp and 250ft lbs. They put 58 of those motors in the 1987 Olds Cutlass pace car, and it was so powerful, it bent the frame, and so every Oldsmobile convertible after that sported the B pillar bar. These same cars were bought back by GM and crushed, except for 2 that we know of. Those cars are hidden and will probably never see the light of day until 'new GM' is bankrupt.
The Oldsmobile Quad 4 set many records in 1987 with AJ Foyt and the Quad 4 that have yet to be beaten today, including fastest factory 4 cylinder, fastest flying mile, and fastest pass on 4 cylinders from the factory. No other brand since then has attempted to beat it.
I was a dealer tech and then an instructor 1974-2001.
The Neon ACR was the RoadRunner/SuperBee of the '90s. All the go-fast goodies in a bare bones package.
Yep. Insane they stuffed the same drivetrain into the PT cruiser lol
My grand father had one with a stick and that 150hp twin cam..
the PT GT had a detuned srt4 engine, which wasn't the same setup, the srt4 was it's own insanity, but the gen before with the acr badge was a much better road course car..
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Yeah, I should have clarified. The ACR was an absolute autocross beast. Ford ZX2 SR was pretty competitive too. Especially using the "For what it is" qualifier lol It's an American Ford Escort, not a Cossie. But it was the closest thing we got that had that spirit in it. The R/T was a great base to start from too.
Then the insanity of the SRT and them pulling their own Forester XT of putting a detuned STI engine into grandmas car lol.
That was a fun car. Had all the STI bits minus the fancy cams. Instead I had Prodrive upgrade everything else so I had more power than an STI with a proper 4.444 final drive like the RA instead of the 3.90 of the street STI. Absolute monster on the street lol Not great for highway use lol But just absolutely fun for around town driving.
Second owner apparently put it into a tree or something. Found it a few years ago in a wrecking yard with the entire front end and roof destroyed :( Hoped to try and buy it back.
@@bensabelhaus7288man I miss my SR. Not fast, but it was fun. The 323 platform had its own merits, those Mazda transmissions were garbage though.
@@bensabelhaus7288 That's sad, i always wondered what has happened to cars i have loved through the years. Most of my "fun" cars were fun for reasons or events in my life, more than for being actually fast cars. I mean fast in a relative term, where at the time they were fast, but today they would get spanked by pretty much everything on the road.. Call me old fashion, but they all had a different soul and even without the raw speed, they had a personality of their own. I have an 89 corolla GTS with a 4ag in it, no e, removed the efi for weber side draft carbs.. wasn't fast by todays standards, but those carbs open at 7k rpm was an experience. Had a 99 Corolla with a 2zzge from a celica pre retuned version where you got 8600rpm at redline.. again not fast, but at 8k before shifting it was an experience.. I love cars, but man it would be soul crushing to see a previous love that was wrapped around a tree.
I am telling you, the Berretta GTZ was a tuff looking car. Super 90's esthetic and cool color options. The body color alloys would still look fresh today. They sounded good too. GM did it right. The Supercharged Bonneville was dang sweet too. As a teen coming out of the boring cars of the 80's ,with few exceptions, it was cool to see these on the lots. Great video and it sure brings back memories. I only had 5.0 Notchback 5spd Mustangs during most of the 90's but that's a different ball of wax altogether. But they were stepping stones that helped get us to where we are today with the fastest street cars ever produced. Again, thanks for the video. 😊
Crazy to think I learned how to drive manual in my dad's 1991 Quad442 W-41!
Wow…
@@Redline1986 That's pretty cool. Poor guy must've been sweating bullets. I still have to teach my nephew when I get my Probe GT back together. 6 cylinder a little harder to stall, and the car likes a quicker clutch release without causing neck snap. Great for beginners.
@@pgtmr2713 Absolutely, my mom ended up teaching me with the quad442. It was a heavy race clutch, but made for a great teaching tool in obtaining a smooth release of the clutch pedal.
I remember test driving a brand new one for my younger brother, who didn't know how to drive a stick, lol
Honestly the Daytona IROC R/T looks cool as hell
until you drive it and realize it's front wheel drive
I had the Pontiac version of this car, a 1988 Grand Am Quad-4. I recall smoking a couple Hondas in it. It was a fun car and the first car I had with A/C, shiny paint and 4 matching tires.
Love my Berettas!!!had 3,a Z26,GT,and GTU!!!
Miss them,so fun to drive!!!
I flipped a GTU off a bridge.
@@stevenlindsey2056 hardcore!!!I used to e-brake my 94 Z26 at over 100mph turnt on a fahkin dime!!!no bulllshit!!!💯👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣
@@uttasyda9746 That's crazy. I didn't do it on purpose I turned left and the car went straight off a one lane bridge. It didn't even have a guardrail.
@@stevenlindsey2056 DAAAMMMNNNN!!!Glad u lived to tell about it,bruv!!!💯👍👏👏🤣🤣
I had a teal Z26. I remember the torque-steer being almost scary.
A friend of mine's father has a red Beretta. Makes me think of Joe dirt. He won it brand new unloaded from trailer at his house. Beaten, patched, mismatched body plates looking like it's pushing a 100 years old. Still running as his daily driver as of 2018 when I was visiting Fresno, Ca. Don't recall exactly but was nearing 400k on it's first engine and third transmission. When you look at him I honestly think in his mind he's in that brand new Beretta everything he drives; loves that car. I think that's a great thing. Thanks for another fun and informative video!
I can agree. Every time you see those tail lights up close you fall in love all over again.
@@Magus1213 probably it!
The 91 Calais 442 w41 and it’s successor, the 92 SCX w41- had 190 hp. The HO Quad used in other GM models made 180, but the W41 made an additional 10 (185 in the 93 SCX.)
Creator, great video as usual. these were all my favorites growing up. Thank you for doing all this research and providing us with the memories. Great job.
Hey man, thank you for watching!
That Beretta Z26 is still one of my dream cars to own(Either Blue, yellow, or Raspberry Metallic). It looks like a mini 3rd gen Camaro from the front but unique in its own way. Still a shame they never pushed the convertible version out.
I remember in 1988 when my old man bought a brand new Beretta GT. At the time I thought it was the coolest car I ever seen. I was only 8 at the time. I thought the all digital dash was so cool
Yall remember those early 90s Ford Escort GT's? They were everywhere.
The ones with the 1.8l Mazda dohc? They were the best escort ever.
@TheMajictech
1.9 liter wasn't it?
@@motorcitymanman7711 nope, the 1.9 was a single overhead cam made by ford used in run of the mill standard issue cars. The 1.8 is the double ohc used in the gt’s (early to mid 90s anyway) Way more snappy! Same engine as some of the protégés in the same era.
My buddy had one primer gray her name was the grey ghost
@TheMajictech
I've seen Escorts with the 1.9 that's why I asked.
I had a 82 Escort manual can't remember what motor I had.
I also had a 84 EXP 2 seater that one had a 1.6ltr.
My buddy had a 442 Calais back then, anything with close to 200hp at the time was serious fun. 🤙🏼🏁
*Of note, the standard Quad4 put out 180hp, while the W41 version squeezed out 10 more horsepower due to a revised camshaft (and probably some other minor tweaks).
I owned the Quad4 in several Beretta GTZs over the years, and while a bit noisy, it did perform very well for early 90s four cylinders.
I also owned a Spirit R/T, which came equipped with the same 2.2L Turbo III in the Daytona IROC/RT. Super quick (but with a heavy clutch) and much more of a sleeper than the Daytona ever could be.
I had a 3.1 in a 91 Cavalier convertible. It was a quick little sucker!
Thank you for the video. I enjoyed the Oldsmobile information and the footage you shared. The list was informative and interesting. It is clear you did your research and explained what you learned. I did not knows you liked Oldsmobile. That was a fun fact. You could do a video on the luxury coupes, but it would take some effort. Thank you for the effort.
Thank you Olds. Sometime in the future, there will be a video dedicated to Oldsmobile.
@@GreenHawkDrive This will be interesting to see. I will look forward to that video and see how much you learn and share and your footage too as well. Thank you again.
13:20
Similar story with the 3rd gen eclipse.
The Eclipse which met Federal emissions standards had five more hp than ones that met California emissions standards: “CARB-compliant”.
That’s a possible explanation for you.
I believe the 5hp drop was because of having to meet stricter emissions standards.
Some real obscure ones ! I’ve never heard about the ACR Neon or the Escort ZX2 SR until today…..great video.
Thank you!
Another great video! It’s so much fun for me to see these cars I remember from new, I even test drove quite a few. Thanks again!,Your efforts are much appreciated!
That Beretta was always a favourite of mine. I loved the Mazda 626 coupe from the same era too.
Those Mazdas are cool!
Had a 85 Buick Somerset V6. Same platform as the Oldsmobile Calais.
Ran for almost 200,000 miles. Until I hit a deer anyway. It was comfortable, large doors and plenty of room. Always started in winter.
No complaints.
I had that car and year as well. That six in it was also quick. Mine was a two tone, bronze and tan for the bottom half of the car.
@@donkeytime1704
Mine was metallic blue, with digital gauges. The stereo sound was very good. Yes that v6 was responsive.
I had a 92 Daytona back in 2008-09 It was so cool I loved that car. I only had the NA 4 cylinder but it did have the 5 speed manual. It was a lot of fun to drive and people were always talking to me about it. best 900$ I ever spent.
this was a great blast of 90s nostalgia, i did not know of some but did not forget the ones I knew about.
13:15 While I can't find any specific info on this particular detune, there are a few reasons for them.
I have read that the 3100 had a piston slap problem: It may have been detuned as a stopgap measure to reduce this issue somewhat, in an outgoing model. This is my personal guess.
Other more general reasons for a mild detune:
There was no actual detune; numbers were adjusted for marketing reasons.
There may or may not have been a detune: numbers were adjusted for insurance reasons.
Exhaust or intake might have been slightly revised for emissions or different hardware.
Engine had excessive NVH (noise/vibration/harshness) levels and got complaints.
Drivetrain reliability might have been worse at higher tune, resulting in more warranty claims.
The Quad4 had many such detunes over its run, for instance. It was so buzzy at high RPM that they eventually put a pair of counter-rotating balance shafts in the engine. This added reciprocating mass to the engine, and while helping with the NVH, it reduced output, economy, or throttle response.
Car & Driver was, at least back then, very meticulous about documenting something like a 5 hp detune. You might find more insight there.
Cheers!
-nevin
13:17 - I think they adopted newer California emissions standards, which dropped output a little. I recall slightly lower HP for several engines at brands across the industry.
Also, that's the change of computers to go from OBD-I to OBD-II. Lots of vehicles had revised ratings around then. Of course the 3100 got back the lost power and gained extra for the 2000 model year
I bought a 1985 Dodge Shelby Charger that was a turbo charges 4 cylinder with a 5 speed manual and 195/50-15 tire/alloy wheel setup. As long as you had the engine at 2,000+ rpm it was a rocket. Torque steer was awful, but it was huge fun to drive. It came to market about the same time as Dodge Omni GLH (Goes Like Hell) 4 door hatchback.
I REMEMBER THAT COMMERCIAL! Plymouth had several commercials like that. I specifically remember one for the Neon too.
I started driving in the 1980s during the time Vehicles were just starting to recover from the 1980’s when almost every car was gutless. So these 1990s cars seemed fast by comparison. Single digit 0-60 times became somewhat common again 😅
The 2.3 LG0/W41 mated to the Getrag 5-speed was an understated BEAST for the time, allowing the Grand AM H.O. and 442 to keep pace with all of the American V8 sports cats, outside of the Corvette.
Another great trip down memory lane, thank you Green Hawk Drive! Had a Calais 442, Plymouth Duster, Beretta Z26 and a Daytona Pacifica... Love to have any of them back now!
It’s wild how I used to think all these cars were ugly back then.. now with current car designs, I’m looking at them and thinking that they’re not too bad actually lol
We gotta talk about the Achieva SCX "evolution" and the Z26 portion... because you forgot one major oversight of the '94 Z26.
About the SCX: the predecessor was the 442 W41, the 442's/Calais International's direct replacement was the Achieva SC with W44 High Output package.
And about that Z26 oversight: the 3100 may have debuted in the Z26, but the LG0 Quad High Output was standard in 896 more Z26s for 1994, although only now making 170hp for the final 1994 model year of the High Output. Not only that, the 3100s were detuned for '96 instead of '95, because the '95 3100 was considered as OBD 1.5.
I've owned two of each engine on both platforms. My two 3100s were a '94 Z26 and '95 Grand Am GT Sedan, I've also owned two of the 719 '93 High Output Grand Am GT Sedans.
Great video. I had the olds cutlas caliais
Quad 442 W41. It had over 7000 redline. The engine screamed like a motorcycle engine. One of the cool things is that it had a strut running across the fire wall. They only made it in red and only made 200 of them. The W41 had silver stripes while the w40 had gold. It handled very well.
weird thing about that engine...
when it first came out it was a pretty decent little engine. reliability was decent. BUT at time wore on, subsequent generatons started having flaws in the heads. i remember reading about how on the later version of the engine how the heads would crack if the engine got to hot. For example, when the water pump went out, the car had to be stopped immediately, no limping to the gas station to put some water in. the aluminum was so thin in a certain section of the head that it would crack.
absolutely great video, I worked for GM Canada in Fleet/Lease dept, we were the oldest Chef-Olds dealer in Winnipeg where i live and within 3 blocks were Buick Pontiac-Cadillac and Dodge dealer, I sold and leased almost every car you mentioned on the GM list, big advantage for me was being in the fleet dept, i could get a new Buick or Pontiac model and lease it to my customers, we didn't use GMAC, it was our own money so the interest rate was basically half of any posted rate anyone offered back then, Bonneville SSE-i kickass cars came loaded, the Olds Calais Quad 442 better than a Z-24 just a few thousand more, worth every cent, I sold a pair of them to an engineer he use to do some rally racing and ice racing and turned one of them into a rally car, it was black and he stripped out the interior did a roll cage and stiffeners were it flexed too much and got the front struts from the Beretta GTZ to put in the front of the 442, back then it was a new car model and no real aftermarket support like you'd finding a JDM car, building his own air intake made a difference by getting rid of all the factory plastic stuff and used a K&N pod filter, the car did fairly well and was quicker after the modes he removed nearly 500 pounds out of the car and he even finished 3rd twice, not bad for an OLDS 442, our dealership even sponsored him for the first season , no one wanted the Dodge cars, although they were some really cool cars, massive amounts of build quality issues and the Dodge Neons had head gasket problems even on the turbo units they also has issues, they sure went like hell after the turbo kicked in, all turbo stuff back then had turbo lag, when you talk about the Beretta GTZ and Lumina Z34 the GTZ was just as fast, it was allot lighter by approx 650lbs and only 20 hp less and it won the race until about 100 mph when the Lumina would catch up and pull ahead slightly , it was the close ratio gearing in the 5 speed of the GTZ and if memory serves me the final drive ratio was around 3.71 or 3.63, the Lumina was like 3.23 , the nuttiest car to drive back then was the Dodge Omni GLH, the American version of a Golf GTI except the GLH was way faster and out handled it by far, it was the fastest thing Dodge built at the time light weight well balanced and turbo intercooled with EFI and one of the first versions of sort of coil packs, i believe the ignition was Japanese, it was 175bhp and 175 ft lbs torque and it only weighed 2100 lbs 60mph in 6.3 secs even today thats quick and it was under $18000.00, it was the only car for a few years that had over 80hp per litre, I had a chance to drive a friends sons car, it was quick, then he showed me how fast it was, he was younger haha and better reflexes what a time to be in the car business some of the best years of my life, the hottest and craziest car i drove back then was a Corvette ZR-1 stupid fast then, not so much now 😌
So, this entire time I actually owned an ACR!?!? The four-banger in that car was a BEAST! It burned oil like crap in it's final day but would run on 1qt. I primed mines grey and added a cherry bomb with an 04 art scorpion wing.
Graduated high school in 1989, immediately got a job selling Oldsmobiles..I remember when our olds district sales rep gave us a visit in early fall ‘89 with the as of yet unreleased new Calais Quad442..outwardly, my 18 year old self scoffed. What a joke, compared to the 442 of the 70’s!..inwardly though, I have to be honest. It was pretty cool. My and another sales guy took her demo out and gave it quite a thrashing and it was a lot of fun. That thing boogied compared to anything else at the time. I miss those days.
11:53 - One of the best OEM wheels of ALL time.
Did you mean 11:53 ?
I had the supreme international with buckets in the back. Not as rare, but I LOVED it!
The first Shelby CSX appeared in 1987. Power came from Shelby's intercooled Turbo II 2.2 L inline-four, producing 175 hp (130 kW) at 5300 rpm and 175 ft·lbf (237 Nm) of torque from 2200-4800 rpm.[1]
The engine was Chrysler's new intercooled Turbo IV equipped with a Getrag A555 5-speed transmission. The variable geometry turbo vanes were computer controlled and needed no wastegate.[4] Instead, they adjusted the flow of exhaust gases to spool up instantly and provide strong power. Chrysler kept the horsepower rating at 175 hp (130 kW), but upped the torque rating to 205 ft·lbs (278 Nm) at 2100 rpm.[5] Full torque was available from this low rpm to well past redline. Turbo lag was eliminated, with full boost (15 psi spike) available at 2100 rpm. Car and Driver magazine called it "a high-tech hot rod" and "a technological showcase" and were impressed with the engine's flexibility and top-gear acceleration. (They tested it to 156 mph (251 km/h).)
I had a Calais 442 and it was a BEAST!!!! I beat a Porsche 911 on a rolling start to 60.
I like what you’re doing very well put together you’re very articulate and just the smallest of personal thoughts. Great job.
I appreciate that!
I owned an 89 LO Calais, a 90 Calais International Series, a 90 Beretta GTZ, a 92 GA GT, and a 92 Achieva SC.
The I-series ran 15 flat in the 1/4 bone stock.
The GTZ was very slightly slower but would top out higher due to better aero.
The 92 Achieva was my autocross car. It was gutted and caged. Had a custom header on a transplanted and blueprinted W41 spec engine. Though it was a parking lot cone chaser, it ran 13.80s pretty easy.
The 92 GA GT had a custom built Quad4. 11:1 CR, 226/.410 lift cams, titanium retainers, forged ross pistons, eagle rods, LS1 valve springs, and lighter bucket lifters with a custom epromm burnt by olds engineers from the old rocket parts days. It loved to turn 8000rpm and did so easily. Never took that car to the track but it easily outran my Achieva, and still got 32mpg at 70mph.
Sadly, rare doesn't mean expensive or desirable in all cases and cars wear out. I don't have the cars but I have the memories.
I appreciate this comment brotha!
I worked at an Olds dealer in the 90’s. I remember driving the Calais 442 and the Achieva in manuals. The cars were fun sporty and good looking for the day. Still inferior to other cars unfortunately
The next forgotten sports coupe list should include the Lincoln Mark VIII
My Stepmom had a 94 MK VIII in the Maroon color, fully loaded (heated leather seats, CD changer in the trunk, everything digital) was a sick car in it's day, you punched the gas on it, and it literally felt like it was pouncing on something. The interior looked like the bridge of the TNG Enterprise. That thing ate gas though.
@@user-ow1jb7wg8u I've got a 97 toreador red and man is it quick for its size, you are absolutely right about the interior I've said for years it looks like a spaceship inside, yea gas mileage isn't bad for how heavy it is I mean it's just as good if not slightly better than a new Mustang.
Also the Ford Thunderbird turbo and super coupe as well as the Mercury XR7 turbo in super coupes.
The Aerotek Oldsmobile was able to go over 200 mph in IndyCar chassis. Featured in Hot rod magazine a guy took his Cutlass Cali quad for automatic four-door built it did over 200 miles an hour at the Bonneville salt flats.
Geos were technically rebadged Suzuki, Daewoo and Toyotas depending on region..
Best car commercial ever! Bravo to a sales team/advertising firm for thinking outside thr econo-box!
Thanks for putting this video out there. Lots of these cars were completely memoryholed, yet very common back in the day. It's like a completely lost period of automotive history thanks to cash for clunkers.
Thanks for watching man!
The shadow/Sundance was a really good looking car in hindsight.
Very nice driving too.
I had one with the 2.5 TBI and a five speed.
It was probably the best winter car I've ever had.... I could drive it down snowmobile trails and it wouldn't get stuck.
I would put it up against my current Subaru Outback in a snow storm and it would probably do better.... I used to own through snow that was up to the headlights and it would just keep trucking.
This is a market segment I sorely miss
My mom had a red Daytona. HEAVIEST clutch I’ve ever driven. That car rocked, though.
In 95, I was looking to buy my first new car and it was between the newly released Monte Carlo or a Beretta Z26. I ended up with the Monte Carlo since it was higher end but I still loved the Z26s. There was a color combo it was offered in with a burgundy/fuchsia like color and gold graphics that was stunning.
I drove a lot of these cars new or nearly new. The 87 Beretta GT had a 2.8 in it that I drove with a 5 speed manual. I drove a 90 Grand Am SE with the Quad 4 and stick shift. The Escort ZR2, two different ones, both stick. A Dodge Omni 0.24 with was essentially a Daytona. The Mitsubishi Mirage S ES and LS which cousin the Colt became the Neon. Hated the Tempo in any form but drove two, both sedans one auto one stick. Would never drive a Neon but rode in my friends when she gave me a ride. Out of all of the the Grand Am stood out most with how torquey it was and the Beretta with it's V6 sound. That engine sounded wonderful, also the base sound systems were quite good for what they were.
NOOOOO you missed the Neon SRT-4...OMG it was a beast for it's time.
Those came out in the 2000s, did they not?
@@GreenHawkDrive OH you are right, 2003-2005. I didn't know the ACR came out first.
I wish I still had my Beretta GTZ. My pops and I swapped in an entire Pontiac GXP drivetrain with clutchless paddle shift 240 HP and a beautiful exhaust note. I don't even have a photo of her anymore :(
Spreading the knowledge of this coupes is fantastic, good work!!
I love my 95 neon sport coupe! and I miss a lot my 93 Shadow ES...
Thank you man, I appreciate that!
the duster advert then the turtle meme was freaking hilarious,and your videos are really very good btw
Thank you man!😂
Great video! Brought back some memories. 🚗
Glad you enjoyed it!
That Dodge Neon ACR needed a turbo though the SRT version eventually got it in the next generation
CORRECTION: The base model in 1988 had the 2.3l Quad 4, with 150hp and 150ftlb.
The HO version that had 180hp and 160ftlb didn't come out until after the Quad 442. In 1991, the W41 Quad 442 was pushing 195hp and 180lbft from the factory.
I had an Achieva scx 2-door that was in basically excellent condition. I bought it for $500 in 2008, drove it for about 2 years before I let my brother in law borrow it, and he blew the engine.
It was a pretty cool little car.
there was a black beretta gtz for 5000 bucks on my local kijiji a few months ago. i already have a car, and am not really a fleet of cars type of guy. but it looked well cared for, and i was tempted as heck.
i have a "sports sedan" that's fairly rare today. it's a 2003 bonneville SSEi 3800 L67 supercharged. with the few bolt ons it has (PCM tune, pulley swap, 160 thermostat) it's a real hoot to drive. no slouch for a 4 dr family car
Those are sweet cars and I’m sure they will go up in value as time passes.
I had a '92 Sundance Duster V6 with a manual transmission and bought for $10,029 off the dealer lot, red, with a sunroof. Unfortunately, drove it only 42k miles as the Mitsu V6 burned about 1.5 quarts every 3k miles. Paint chipped on the hood when it said anti-chip paint.
Despite that, was fun to drive and loved the growl and grunt of the V6!
Sold it 4 yrs later and bought a '92 Taurus SHO with a manual. That was a fun car, too, BUT had its own issues.
Like the Neons,especially the SRT4.
Those are awesome
That Neon ACR clip brought lots of memories, had a new one back in 96, it was a fun car, reliable, you forgot to mention the ECU was reprogrammed with no rev limit. Drove it until 2004, only thing wrong with it was a blown head gasket which was a known defected.
I owned a '92 Acheiva with the four cylinder. Not the Quad 4 but adequate none the less. There was a cash reward offered for anyone making over 500hp with a Quad4. Oldsmobile was flushed with cash after the Cuttlass Ceira smash hit in '86. I'm sure this allowed the innovations that followed
Good Episode!!!!! I loved the Baretta’s !! I have a guy in my neighborhood who has one just sitting in his driveway. The body looks good but the interior is torn apart. He keeps saying he gonna put it back together but it’s been over 15yrs! He won’t even sell it!😵💫😵💫
I had a 91 cutlass quad 442 it was a fun car. When you got on it you could watch the front end rise up. Loved smoking Honda civics in it
I love my Ford Probe GT. Its so sleek looking and gets head turns all the time. The community is great as well.
My head would turn too, those are cool cars!
@@GreenHawkDrive red metallic, Ford called it Laser Red which I find fun, working on getting some nicer wheels for it. Already did some upgrades: RNJ Performance headers, Borla exhaust, modern LED headlights and fog lights, properly piped down cold air intake, new aluminum radiator and Michelin pilot sports.
Plus I refitted a period correct radio, that does cassette, cd and Am/FM. And saving up to do a head gasket replacement before October.
Wow, that’s incredible man. Good deal!
I just saw a 442 of this generation the other day, I totally didn't know they used the name on this generation of cars.
I believe that the decrease in 3100 V-6 was to help with CAFE standards..It could have also come from, if G.M. added it, a counterrotating balance shaft, of which have quieted the engine but robbed it horsepower.
The Quad 4 engine started off with 150 hp, later had it's power increased to 160 and then simultaneously, had an available 190 hp High Output (H.O.) option. And before the end of it's manufacturing, a counterrotating balance shaft was (finally) added, I believe to the 160 hp version and that reduced the power back 150 hp, but now smoother and quieter in all of the vehicles applications it was available in.
I had a daytona turbo z Carroll Shelby edition that i absolutely loved! T tops, black leather and paint, gold wheels miss that car😢 i also had a probe with the mazda V6. It wasn't that fast but it was fun.
The R/T and ZX2 were absolute beasts in autocross. For the time of course, but they were also being a thorn in the side of WRX drivers when they came out lol
The 89-91 cs Daytona had 16 psi on a forged bottom end. We would later figure out, we could easily run 24 psi! Mine was still at 16 and would hook up at 90-95 mph, mid way through 3rd on the a555 manual with a 9" oem clutch. The 24psi guys saw 450+ hp on a stock common block
One of my 90s dream cars is a Dodge Daytona Shelby Z. The turbo-II engine was fantastic for the time.
The Turbo III was cool cuz it had the Lotus head that made around 50 more horseporks, but parts are harder to get later and there was less aftermarket support. The Turbo II has a huge following to this day and it's not hard to get a custom flowed head, forged internals, and higher duration cams. I had a Dodge Shadow ES convertible with a built 2.2 that hauled ass.
Also, I bought the first ZX2 S/R sold. It's since been sent to the junkyard after the frame rusted through.
How were you able to buy the first S/R sold and how did it handle?
@@GreenHawkDrive my college roommate's dad bought it new in 98/99 from Columbus. I bought it off him in 2014 near the end of its life. It had been resprayed a burnt orange, but the original color and number plaque were on the inside.
It handled well while the car was still in good shape. It reminded me of an early attempt at the the SRT4 ACR and Cobalt SS minus the power. That said, the Cobalt SS handled significantly better due to the newer suspension design.
I'd buy another ZX2 if I could find one in good shape. Doesn't even have to be an S/R. They were fun to drive at the limit.
cars that nobody thought to hold on to.
If it was made in the 90's, i probably dig it. I like several models from every manufacturer in the 90's, no american bias here either, i love the foreign stuff too.
My mom had a Daytona when I was a kid. It "caught on fire" in the parking lot of her work, or so she told me because I was obsessed with the car. In truth it got repossessed.
The ZX2 was a bad ass little car. I had one 98. The SR's were the calmer Roush edition that we never got
Rev limiter was changed from 6500 down to 5500 if you use an ECU from the year prior it'll dyno with the full power the engine is capable of but with gear ratio being what it was the new limit meant the manual car would cut out at 125 where the unlimited cars could top out at 140.
I had the Shadow twin of the Duster, exact same paint and similar wheels. It was an automatic but a fun little car.
OMG my citation. The brakes died/caught on fire in an interception. I literally had to roll through it while honking and waving for forgiveness.
I owned a white Lumina 2 Door coupe Z34 in highschool with the manual transmission was so sick a true unicorn 🦄
I had a Duster 4 door manual. Very fun car back in the day
The 3.1 liter V6 in the 1993-1995 Beretta was lowered by 5hp for cold start reasons. I suppose that meant the car would be easier to start in cold weather.
I loved the Dodge Daytona IROC/RT
I MISS THE 90's ! ! ! ! ! ! !
The Duster/ Shadow ES could have been had with the 2.5L 4 cyl as a credit delete for the V6 for even a lower price. All looks , but no bite. A base Beretta could be had with the v6 for those who wanted to save money and didn't need the Z26 exterior trim.
I feel like I need a shower after that Duster commercial.
Back in 1991, there was one car that I wanted but didn't get. It was a 1991/92 Pontiac Grand Am GT (4 door) with a V6. I got the Integra instead because the GT had a 3 speed auto at the time which for me back then was a deal breaker. But I love the look, the interior and motor of that car. After 1 year, I traded my Integra for a Eagle Talon TSi AWD.
Eagle Talon TSi with AWD were such cool cars
I remember in the early 2000's at all the local autocross events there was a young guy that could really wheel. He was taking names and kicking ass in his class all season in a ACR Neon. I was young and not too interested in the little four banger but my old man who is all about a solid little sports car was very intrigues by the car. Looking back now, I probably should have tracked one down for a fun daily driver.
They are almost impossible to find nowadays. It wasn't easy finding pictures for the video.
@@GreenHawkDrive They sure are hard to find, the rusted to nothing and were hardly promoted at all. I remember this guy changing his tires a couple races into the season and the car went from howling around with visible understeer to being able to lift the inside rear tire in the tight corners. Keep up the good work on the channel. I was a teen in the early 2000's so most of the cars on your channel were the one I could afford, raced against or lusted after. If you ever want someone to consult with about the street cred of a car in that time period.
Ironically I just saw a 1988 Calais on side of the freeway last night- don’t recall seeing many since around 2004 time frame 🤔
I was a teen in the 70's so I grew up with the big block cars before the detuning of them in the mid 70's. I have to admit I didn't pay much attention to these models as they weren't big blocks but were using some of the names of the former big blocks. That said, thank you for sharing this as it was really informative as to what I wasn't paying attention to at the time. Keep the content coming. Cheers!
Thank you for watching as always!
America Auto was just out there trying to make the best of the FWD gas saving new era. I actually never realized that about the one year 1993 Daytona
Had 92 Cavalier 2.2 coupe Fun car till I total it 😁 Love it
OBD2 went into effect. The m coded 3.1 got emissions control components that took away the five horsepower and a different catalytic converter