SONVIA update - Haltech removed/ MoTeC installed (Cost difference)
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Sonvia update!
Haltech vs MoTeC, I explain the cost difference between them both.
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All Haltech gear has been sold.
Haltech now has the Nexus R5, which takes place of the logging portion of the dash, and takes care of the IO expansion part, as well as a few other functions, including built in wideband controller. So, the IC7 dash, and the Nexus R5, plus the thermocouple amp (you can get them now with 8 thermocouple ports in a single unit) would end up costing likely around the same amount, but it would cut down on a lot of the extra devices that were necessary with the Elite series.
I don’t think it was available or even announced when this video was released, but anyone stumbling across this now has another option to look at if they want.
That's for the info mate. I'm sure it will help 👍👍
super awesome and in depth vid, love it as always! keen to see you up and running again mate
Cheers mate. Im hanging hey.
I was not expecting that! Motec is no.1 I never realised the prices were comparable.
Yep not many people know this. Everyone assumes
SICK.!.! Can’t wait to see this thing action!!!
Its gonna be crazy
Exactly what I was looking for. Cheers.
Hope it helped
I cant wait to see the tune and functions you setup, im definately not upto date with this side of things it will be a big help for making my own choices. Im glad to see you get you motec mate👍
Yeah I'll be documenting it as best I can mate. Will be good hey. Hope your beast is coming along well mate
Awesome! Yeah man not long now hey.. i hope to be back in the seat by april. If i can remember which pedals which lol😉
@@Kpop-4_life you will be right mate. It's going to be awesome. Cant wait to put some laps down with ya
Man, thats going to be an awesome day!
And MoTeC has been around way before most of the others and even the factory prototype work starts on their platforms then they build their production ECU's later. So really fine tuned and reliable.
Motec is the best
Excellent! Thanks for doing this. I saw your dream RB build on The Lone Star channel and have been really interested on learning the Motec tech. for this platform. Any links, companies, or people you think would helpful would be appreciated- Cheers!
Happy with the functionality of Link Thunder.
Thats good to hear
Are your egt's connect strait in the E888 ? I was told to buy a tc8 from racegrade to have egt with my m130 ... just curious here
Straight into the e888 man.
Great advice
Hopefully it's helping people
So the expander box allows you to use the functions such 8 injector drive stage setup , anti lag , launch control etc ?
Im not 100% sure but I know it allows a lot of extra things.
Can’t wait to see that thing rip!!!!
@driftsquid what are you going to do with the haltech iq3 dash? I want it .
It's all for sale as a package at the moment
Like the info
Cool cool
Bruss that jzx110 at the start looks so baller and the cage killer.
A darwin build that one. Will be insane once finished
Yeah man once Cece works his magic it will be a blast to drive
Legend has it, that jzx once baked so much, the children watching are now addicted to the smell of semi slick smoke.
Hi Squid, whicu ecu would you recommend for me nowadays? Running a forged rb25 series 2. My car would be driven on street and 5 times a year drifting events.
What ever your tuner thinks is the best that he can work with. If he says motec you are in good hands.
@@DriftSquid thank you!
Just a FYI it cost me around $7000 for my link G4+ Xtreme to have it wired into my 1uz Cressida with all the functions like 2 step all wired in professionally. So pretty much same around the board.
Awesome video and break down. Never knew haltechs needed so many box's.
I have my ecu and 2 wideband controllers so I guess that's 3 in total for me. But the innovate lc2 boxs and the ecu fit behind my glove box.
Yeah wiring can get bloody expensive thats for sure. I know my RBM3 wiring was pretty expensive but was totally worth every cent. Never had a single issue with it.
Yeah the box system is crazy.
With already having the investment in the haltech whats the reason to go with the motec? as someone who has neither this is a good video if you're on the fence about an ecu but with all the kit you have wouldnt buying some expansion boxes for 600$ be the easier thing?
Cost wise they are pretty well the same. The motec how ever does a heck of a lot more than the Haltech. This is also a test to see if I keep blowing engines up. It's a test for all you guys to learn about. Its a huge investment for me to do this but I feel it was one that needed to be done. I hope heaps of people can learn from what Ive done. It still could be something else how ever I have a lot more control with the Motec system in the car now.
@@DriftSquid Ahhh I gotcha, hopefully you won't blow any more blocks xD
Hey bro just curious what fuel do you run in the sonvia , rbm3. ?
Pump e85 mate
Is it much of a process to convert to E85. ?
@@Brenkeeno yes and no..depends how far you want to go
@driftsquid whatcha gonna do with the haltech gear???
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You can't beat motec I've just got haltech lolol only road car if I had full out beast like yours I would have invested
I wont ever use anything else from now on. Motec is the best hands down
why did you get the M130+E88 instead of a M150?
The e888 is more cost effective than running individual TC amplifiers.
The e888 allows 8x TC inputs (thermocouple)
8x AV inputs ( pressure , but can be used as general temp inputs with an external 1k pullup)
8x extra outputs, all controlled via your choice of M130/150/ or even Dash)
Excuse me being nosy, but what is it you actually do for a living mate? Just curious cause of the hiviz haha
Industrial electrician mate
@@DriftSquid fuck, thats a pretty mint job from what ive heard! best of luck with it all!
@@kaibarlow6067 it's a job at the end of the day. I'm not passionate about it like I am with drifting.
I assume the new ECU is the Motec equivalent to the Elite 2500 ?
Id say it wouldn't be as the M130 is the little fella of the fleet in MoTeC's. The M150 would be the same as the Elite 2500 I would say. Im not sure
The M130 exceeds it’s
advertisements. Pretty hard to compare other brands with Motec once you’ve invested years with the others brands.
I removed the link and installed MOTEC 150 :)
You will never regret that move mate! Please keep me in the loop with how it all goes. Hope your Tuner is happy. Because if he isnt then there is something wrong.
Motec is well priced when it comes down to it! Make me feel ashamed at my $750 link tho hahaha
Dont be ashamed. Be very thankful that it works and you are having fun. I just like to experiment a little too much haha
U sure that is a logging dash from racepak,cant seem to see where the micro sd card goes ?
110% mate its a logger. The SD card goes in the top middle bit. I sold everything off anyway. No more haltech products are owned by me.
Haha if that is actualy Anthonys new drift car, i want to know whats going through his head for motor. We both know he likes proving people wrong and standing out
Haha unfortunately it was only a joke sorry man
Hey wouldent surprise me if Anthony did something crazy like that though
Making me think whether or not I go Motec or Link on my build now...
Talk to your tuner man. Best thing you can do
Cheers
No worries mate
Motec definitely nice bit of gear. I see you opted for the $600 firmware upgrade to "unlock" those extra features? this is my only gripe with the motec. The Motec expansion solution is alot nicer i personally dislike the fact there's all these extra "add on" boxes that need to be bought. With the haltech ps2000 i have only the wideband box. I don't see personally that egts a super critical of a thing to have. I'm actually buying a new elite 750 soon and a wideband box for another car so will be interested in what your asking for it all.
Yeah I did as its a must for what I need.
As for the EGT's it all comes down to have well you want to tune and log your car. Its so easy to pin point any issues with individual EGT's. I know what cylinder is missing or if there is ever any issues. I love it and I have over 40 sensors in my RBM3. Logging temps in every single spot you could think of along with pressure sensors and so on.
Im selling the whole lot for around $6k.
@@DriftSquid I'm more into drag racing egts are good i would been more keen on individual o2 if it were possible. But for 9 secs or less I can live without egts. 6 grand a little out of my budget of 2500 i wouldnt want the dash they pretty useless imo. But good luck to hopefully you can find someone to buy the whole lot.
@@SomervilleMetalWorks Cheers
The GPR package is $330 over GPA.
Pretty good value considering what you get.
Also for those not needing the functions why would they want to pay for them?
how does this compare to the LINK systems from NZ?
Links are good but thats only what ive heard from every tuner Ive spoken to. I haven't used one myself
Love my link thunder. Plenty of functionality in one box. 2 cans, 2 widebands, 2 e-throttles, many anologe ins, many digital ins, and more than enough outputs.
I think the thing i like most eith link over haltech is the flexibility. You can just assign almost any function to any input/output. Haltech is so clunky in that regard. No flexibility (unless ofcourse you buy more boxs)
@@BramBiesiekierski Yeah thats awesome to hear. I wish I could have compared the link to these 2 ECU's also as that would have been a really good review. The link may even come out on top for most people. Thats for that man
such a beautiful man that Cece
Good egg
Have you sold the haltech yet?!
Yeah mate sold it straight away.
@@DriftSquid damn haha
Give ya tree fiddy for the Haltech gear Squid. 🤣😂
Awesome breakdown of the costs for each ECU brand bro and makes me glad I always search for motors with harnesses still attached....7K is pain for anyone's pocket.
Yeah it's an expensive test that's for sure
@@DriftSquid You didn't say no to tree fiddy.
SOLD! 🤣😂
Good data saves engines, or at least, that's the idea, right.
Yes the ECU tracking it live and then corrects the tune to suit. Thats why the M1 series is so good especially with their Knock reading.
What about emtron ?
Yeah emtron is really good but I've never used it so cant say much. I know my mate Beau yates has had years of hassle free issues running an emtron
10 months on what’s the verdict??
Havent lost an engine. Cars never missed a beat.... not much else to really say.
DriftSquid money well spent 👍
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How come motec don't have the publicity like haltech
This is a bloody good question and very easy to answer. Motec don't need to do any advertising, because their product does it for them. Look at me for instance, I've paid full price for all my motec stuff and have spent well over 20k on it between cars. It's saved me so much time and money it's insane.. I won't go anything else even if they try and sponsor me.
Kind of the same reason Ferrari don't need to make adverts.
@@DriftSquid that’s crazy!
Haltech or fueltech?
Haltech all day!
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An Ecu is only as good as the tuner!
110% agree.
You didnt add the wideband cost, and you didnt say that Motecs require you to pay for upgrades that you get for free on the Haltech. Motec is way more money than Haltech, especially if you count those upgrades.
The M1 ecus do not require upgrades if you purchase the correct package for your needs upfront.
What Shannon said mate. Motec is so much better it's insane. Even if the costs end up being a little more.
And now Haltech has the R5.
They noticed an issue and created a unit to fix that issue. Let's hope it's hassle free. Wish them all the best
Motec has always been better, People who have a tight budget should go for the ECU Masters EMUBlack $1700 does everything you need it to do! Switching on sensors Just FYI for people, not to get ass raped at the dyno, only takes seconds! Tuning it is something totally different, extra sensors are there as a helper an extra layer of protection (in the sense that it helps with data acquisition) , Next thing you know they're gonna be saying it's a magic art!
Very true
Sounds like ur loom was the problem more then anything. I had no experience with pro ecu's and im just a boilermaker by trade. Took myself 3 days to install all the same gear u had apart from dash and minus 2 egt's cause i got ej motor and to setup software for car to start and be drivable on streets was 2hrs after firmware update that we get for free. Im a thumbs down too , so im the 2nd one.
Seriously it was so easy i can't believe people pay to install then pay to setup. Of course u need to pay a pro tuner for dyno time thou. Motec or haltech same same.
Comes down to time mate. Plus some people dont have the patience like you obviously have.
I dont even attempt to do wiring as I know I'm not good at it.
The one dislike must be from haltech
Doesn't matter where it comes from. It helps boost the video anyway
It'll be Dale having a cry haha
Always a hard decision. The initial price gets you in the door. So you essentially started with the base stuff and continued upgrading until you had to move to the MoTeC to keep up with all the inputs and features. So after all the tuning and redoing of harnesses to save money starting with the Haltech, you essentially spent 14,000+ plus on the hardware alone. Money is always an issue, just hate to see people waste all the time and money rebuying parts when it could have been done right the first time. Pay attention to the professionals that have to do it day in and out. Not the UA-camr that started yesterday.
Do it once, do it right! Its the best way to go and I hope people can learn from what ive done and been through.
The haltech is a lot easier to get knock sensing dialed in. The motec Requires some special tuning Dyno sessions for calibration at certified dealers.
Im sure it would be very simple once you know how to do it. But at the end of the day go with what your tuner knows best. Thats the best way to move forward.
@@DriftSquid My understanding is that most tuners, virtually all, don't have any access to knock sensing on the Motec .
Only special dealers with $ Motec special training.
Do you have knock sensing?
It's okay to not have it on a race car operating under controlled conditions with known fuel etc. For the other 95% of us though?
@@kylegoldston i wouldn't run any engine without knock sensing. That's insanity.
If it costs a little extra for it. Wouldn't it make sense to get it to save your engine which would cost 10 times that to fix if it broke?
@@DriftSquid Oh absolutely, I'm just pointing out for those who don't know that you could be 6 or 7k into Motec and still have to pay extra and track down some special tier of dealer to enable knock sensing. Whereas lots, maybe all competitors have knock sensor support out of the box. Haltech even has databases of knock frequency for different engines for free.
In saying that, my link furry can do all that and it's just the one box 😉
Incorrect sorry mate, you would need at least one extra box to add individual EGT's. I know they have wide-band integrated into the ECU but they cant add the individual EGT's.
You haven't talked about how slow the different boxes will be sending information between each other and finally affecting the performance. Also fault finding will be easier with single box. Buy once cry once.
Prices both the same that's a stuff up.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
At the time I filmed this it was all correct RRP.
a 2500 box will do most setups without the expander boxes..and take 2k out of the price you mentioned..a motec is literally a box, if you dont have someone to write firmware it does nothing..just like the dash
Let me know which performance car you know of that is just running a 2500 ecu on its own with nothing else. No wideband nothing....
Also Motec firmware is easily purchased anytime you wish? The dashes dont need firmware either, you might be confused with logging levels.
#fueltech is more cheap
There is a reason for that perhaps?
Dude pulling Haltech prices out his ass.
just what the website says haha. Look yourself
Motec is marginal without buying an external box; and expensive; your prices for Haltech were way off; the Elite 2500 is $2000 USD Motec M130 starts at $3200 USD. Not sure why you needed all the external HaltechTA boxes unless you're using EGT on every cylinder; which is a bit much. If all your sensors are thermocouple style then maybe you could use a Haltech 550 for $850.
If your going to 'document' these things at least be honest. If your disgruntled with Haltech; state it upfront and document that rather than deceive viewers.
All prices were correct at the time I made the video mate. All boxes for the haltech are needed to run everything on my engine. The fact you question the reason behind "needing" egts for each cylinder pretty well confirms your knowledge so no need to talk further about that.
I got no issue with haltech, I just won't be using their product on anything I own personally. Motec has been the best financial decision I've ever made in my Motorsport career, wish I did it ealier.
At the end of the day I tell people to do what ever their tuner recommends as they are in control of your tune/engine etc. I'm simply sharing my knowledge/experiences that's all.
@@DriftSquid calling drifting a motorsport.... LOL. well anything can be called a sport i guess
Motec is definitely high end Pro stuff but it us not the same price!!!