Nearly 2 years later(This was written after Rise of Shadow's release, so I doubt anyone will ever see this), I have the fondest memories of this expansion. Ungoro is still my favorite expansion. I loved the theme, with the quests, the elementals, the crazy mechanics, and everything else. After some of the balance changes, Year of the mammoth itself is going to be hard to beat. I don't think year of the Raven was better, hopefully year of the dragon can be. So long Ungoro, you were fantastic. I hope Hearthstone will always be as fun as when we were journeying through your crater.
Robby Woolums The game hasn’t been going up even since Rise of Shadows which is sad I remember how much I loved quest mage in Un Goro even if it was fringe, Ashes of Outlands has not been great so far I really hope they can get it right in the next one.
Jackal125468 that is something that a lot of people don't take into account with the amount of card generation in hearthstone "in your deck" and "playable" are not the same category.
I like how even when Trump is wrong, he hits the nail on the head with a couple of predictions. Living mana "Would be good in an aggressive token druid", Direhorn hatchling "Would be good with Curator and Primordial drake in taunt warrior". Even though he was wrong about those decks' particular viability, he was right about how one would build those decks.
Like his The Caverns Below review. He correctly lists almost the entire deck list, its strengths, its weaknesses and still gets the rating wrong. Pretty fascinating.
Is that really a prediction? Most of your examples I feel like the majority of people thought of since the synergy is obvious. Like, wow the big token producer card would be good in a token deck. The beast taunt would be cool in the taunt deck with the Curator. Wouldn't call these predictions, more obvious statements about the card that most people were aware of.
@@jord19100 yep, the Deck gets slowed down by Not being able to Play giants+5 Mana reward and drawing the Giants, completing the Quest was never the Problem before the Nerf and it rarely is it now
not completely wrong. He was fairly accurate concerning a lot of classes, Rogue is basically the only class where he was completely wrong, with Hunter and Warlock having a lot of wrongs in it (edit : and even with that if we exclude the core and cards revolving around it, Trump got some cards right like Razorpetal volley and Obsidian Shard), but Paladin, Mage etc actually were very accurate.
A lot of people were right about Dr. Boom too. Frankly, I'm not sure how so many people were wrong. People were comparing it to a war golem for christ's sake.
Badalight They thought the Boombot Bombs would function like Mad Bomber's Bombs, i.e. they would hit any character and not just the opponent's characters, so they considered it trash. And really, if they functioned like the streamers had predicted them to, the card would have been trash, but because they didn't a bunch of streamers were hilariously wrong.
The Big Fish I actually have it as a 1 of from a midrange Hunter deck I like playing. But your right Hunter has so many damn good 3 drops. Tried fitting in vicious fledglings too but it's super tricky.
With regards to Trump's assessment of Caverns Below -- yes, technically "solitaire" is a different way to play Hearthstone. EDIT: Okay, that's a little glib, but I'm with Kibler on this, the card is conceptually cool, but as printed, the resultant deck has really limited interaction in gameplay. Hopefully, nerfing the quest condition to 5 plays with result in a more hybrid-y Quest Rogue deck.
Maybe you could consider rating cards on two scales instead of just one: Viability: The same rating that you're currently using, based on your meta and deck predictions. and Potential: An intrinsic rating of the power of the card, while also considering reasonable future synergies. This way you can give all the Priest cards a 1-star in Viability based on "ha ha Priest" but still give credit to cards like Radiant Elemental and the quest (good in Wild) for having Potential / being better than Binding Heal.
Although I'd never run Cornered Sentry, it has saved me when I've discovered it via Stonehill on a couple occasions just because it synergizes with Brawl so well if you opponent has multiple minions that you really don't want winning the brawl.
He was basically almost completely right about Cavens Below. He just couldn't see aggro being weak which is understandable. Can you imagine someone predicting aggro not being viable in a meta before an expansion comes out? Also, Caverns Below isn't really an overpowered quest. It's just sooooo unfun to play against. So ridiculous.
My only problem with the Nether Portal is the fact it costs 5 mana. Having to discard 6 cards is enough of a "cost" that having the portal cost 3 or 4 would make the deck at least somewhat playable.
Looking back at these is really interesting, Trump should do a Trump reviews trump reviews once the set has rotated out of standard to evaluate how the cards performed throughout their standard life
id really appreciate it if every card would get 2 ratings. one just for the card itself, while imagining a world where a deck to support the card is available. A second rating for the actual viability of the card in the existing meta
I really wish Lakkari Sacrifice had worked. Discolock always seemed like such a fun archetype if it could work, and it seemed like if it would ever work, the quest would do the trick... and it didn't.... :'(
Do you think if they printed a "hero power changing" card for warlock that allowed you to choose what cards you discard when you discard cards, or that actively allowed you to choose a card to discard. That sacrifice decks could be viable?
Not sure I like how he rates the cards in hindsight. I don't think the score should ever be based on 'how many different decks they're run in' but rather they should be rated by how powerful they are overall.
I'll be honest Trump, you're an incredibly clever person, but trying to foresee the future meta is...well, I don't think it's even possible. I think you're right that it's the best way to look at the new cards, but I think it's beyond what us humans are capable of understanding. Still though, love the videos. You're probably one of the bigger reasons people start playing Hearthstone :)
Props for making this video and even pointing out where your predictions are correct but the rationale isn't. For future expansions, I'm a proponent of giving each card two ratings: (1) on the frequency of play in the upcoming meta and (2) on overall power level. The second metric is an indicator of cards that might become relevant after future set releases. Also, I think it could help newer ccg players understand what we look for in a card.
He's not given enough credit for his arguments. Only 'good' or 'bad' is what people remember from Trump's reviews on cards, but he was actually spot on in terms of arguments for most of these.
I crafted The Marsh Queen because of the original video. And while it was a fun deck to play and is actually my favorite hunter card, I was super disappointed by how bad it performed
Wow... Did Jens just animate the background when he was reviewing the hunter quest so that it keeps moving even when the video is paused?! This guy is living in 3017...
to be honest i play a discard nzoth control warlock and its actually my highest winrate deck. being about to summon dinomancer after dinomancer after dinomancer is insane when you can get it
dinosize has seen play though. 8 mana 10/10 also potentially healing something that already traded with something. Turns into 10/10 face as well sometimes.
I played a Quest Shaman for a while and had some really good luck with it. It's not amazing and I've put it away for a while now, but I don't know anyone who has done well with Quest Hunter.
I would have nerfed Caverns differently, by increasing crystal core's mana cost. It is not unprecedented as not all quest rewards are 5 mana. Making it +1 bounce really damages the deck unnecessarily, it is probably too slow to be competitive any more.
I've played a lot of ladder in this last couple seasons, and I've never seen Miracle Rouge once yet. Is it only a thing at legend levels and tournaments right now?
I remember thinking the hunter quest would be cancer as well and was afraid for the future of the game. One thing is for sure, we can all thank quest warrior for helping to stomp out aggro decks and indirectly slowing down the Meta, regardless of how viable it is now.
I find it odd he rated the warrior quest so low and the druid quest so high since the warrior quest gives infinite value and the druid quest seems like a worse version of jade druid. Primordial glyph one thing with far sight is unless you run only 3 mana and up cards you will end up with less value than you want sometimes. also the more flexible "bake" the better
It's funny how Lost in the Jungle and Stegodon were rated 1 star here, but now (march 2018) they are in every dude paladin deck which is a Tier 1 deck.
I feel like I'm the only one enjoying Trumps way of rating way more than the usual of every other HS-Streamer. Its so much fun to try and predict a future meta, people are taking these videos way too serious.
A lot of this boils down to not releasing potential synergies with cards in the expansion. Noone thought quest rogue was any good because they figured the requirement took effort and too slow. Then we were given the varies firefly cards and it completely broke it. Even pirate warrior wasn't as cancerous as quest rogue.
I think nerfing warsong was right, because dealing 50+ damage in one turn shouldn't be possible. Post-nerf Patron Warrior was a ton of fun and I still hope it gets a place in the classic set one day.. but yeah. Being faster than quest rogue is pretty easy, unless they roll damn good, but the same thing goes for murloc pally as well.
Nearly 2 years later(This was written after Rise of Shadow's release, so I doubt anyone will ever see this), I have the fondest memories of this expansion. Ungoro is still my favorite expansion. I loved the theme, with the quests, the elementals, the crazy mechanics, and everything else. After some of the balance changes, Year of the mammoth itself is going to be hard to beat. I don't think year of the Raven was better, hopefully year of the dragon can be. So long Ungoro, you were fantastic. I hope Hearthstone will always be as fun as when we were journeying through your crater.
Robby Woolums The game hasn’t been going up even since Rise of Shadows which is sad I remember how much I loved quest mage in Un Goro even if it was fringe, Ashes of Outlands has not been great so far I really hope they can get it right in the next one.
@@benaylward6737 oh lad, if you only knew how shit the game would become after that...
This man can see the future
Here after forgged in the barrens is out , completly agree with you
Here after united in stromwind...I quit the game after 4 years
Meteor: Barely any card decks run it, but when you discover it it gets chosen so often its as if its a card in the deck.
Ronald Dillinger much like getaway kodo
Ronald Dillinger And it's utter cancer in Arena
Jackal125468 that is something that a lot of people don't take into account with the amount of card generation in hearthstone "in your deck" and "playable" are not the same category.
I like how even when Trump is wrong, he hits the nail on the head with a couple of predictions. Living mana "Would be good in an aggressive token druid", Direhorn hatchling "Would be good with Curator and Primordial drake in taunt warrior". Even though he was wrong about those decks' particular viability, he was right about how one would build those decks.
You're right, people laugh how he got quest hunter and cards like that wrong, but so did everyone else.
AnArmyOfFish
Yeah, kinda wish he rated cards more along those lines. He would have had a much more accurate pre-UnGoro review.
no they didn't. A lot of people including myself knew that the hunter quest would suck
Like his The Caverns Below review. He correctly lists almost the entire deck list, its strengths, its weaknesses and still gets the rating wrong. Pretty fascinating.
Is that really a prediction? Most of your examples I feel like the majority of people thought of since the synergy is obvious. Like, wow the big token producer card would be good in a token deck. The beast taunt would be cool in the taunt deck with the Curator. Wouldn't call these predictions, more obvious statements about the card that most people were aware of.
It's amazing how Quest Mage was "too slow" while it's now one of the fastest decks in the game, faster than Secret Mage. 14:52
Jeff Power even nerfed, but it depends on the card generation. At the time we only had cabalist tome
@@jord19100 yep, the Deck gets slowed down by Not being able to Play giants+5 Mana reward and drawing the Giants, completing the Quest was never the Problem before the Nerf and it rarely is it now
I rate my review: one star.
One Starino Trumperino lol best trumperino
One Starino Trumperino After depleting meme resources in Krips chanel the Kriperinos changed and invaded Trumps chanel.
lmao here too.
I really like how Trump is willing to admit when he's wrong. It gives his reviews a lot of weight and honesty.
Holy Shit Jens, good work getting this out so fast :O Under 24 hours!
"I have learned a lot from my last card review" LUL!
But he explained the way of rating he does is quite hard !
+Led Tube Still got it wrong, like COMPLETELY wrong, basically all decks that are viable he got wrong.
job Reneman are you sure about that
yeah trump is so shit he's never gotten into tournaments or has achieved legend or anything right guys h-haha
not completely wrong. He was fairly accurate concerning a lot of classes, Rogue is basically the only class where he was completely wrong, with Hunter and Warlock having a lot of wrongs in it (edit : and even with that if we exclude the core and cards revolving around it, Trump got some cards right like Razorpetal volley and Obsidian Shard), but Paladin, Mage etc actually were very accurate.
The ending tied everything together! Now we know why Trump was so wrong.
Some Dr. Boom-esque reviews there ;)
I really hope there's a Dr. Boom counter like there were in previous re-reviews.
A lot of people were wrong about Dr. Boom though.
Honestly though we all love to have a laugh at Trump when he makes a Dr.Boom level review.
A lot of people were right about Dr. Boom too. Frankly, I'm not sure how so many people were wrong. People were comparing it to a war golem for christ's sake.
Badalight They thought the Boombot Bombs would function like Mad Bomber's Bombs, i.e. they would hit any character and not just the opponent's characters, so they considered it trash. And really, if they functioned like the streamers had predicted them to, the card would have been trash, but because they didn't a bunch of streamers were hilariously wrong.
I love these videos so much because you try to predict in the first video and see where you also went right or wrong.
Uhh no duh
Statestheobviouserino Kripperino over here
that is the point yes
SLAY3D HUNT3R just telling Trump I love the video and he should make it for every Hearthstone meta
Welcome
35:50 the issue is that Caverns below is a helmet deck where you never actually meaningfully interact with it.
"I rate lakkari sacrifice 5 stars for its great potential" - Trump 2K17
This is the best video series you do.
i really appreciate that Trump does this. very open and hobest, shows he really puts in effort
trump is a Nice guy :D
Hunter has way too many fucking 3 drops to include terrorscale.
The Big Fish
Hunter also has way too few deathrattle decks.
The Big Fish good ol' times when hunter had no 3 drops except the eaglehorn bow and huffer
The Big Fish I actually have it as a 1 of from a midrange Hunter deck I like playing. But your right Hunter has so many damn good 3 drops. Tried fitting in vicious fledglings too but it's super tricky.
Alexander Ceja
And with the death knight you can get a BearSharkRatPack
36:05
"1 mana discover a card have not ever been run in the past"
*akhem* Raven Idol *akhem*
With regards to Trump's assessment of Caverns Below -- yes, technically "solitaire" is a different way to play Hearthstone.
EDIT: Okay, that's a little glib, but I'm with Kibler on this, the card is conceptually cool, but as printed, the resultant deck has really limited interaction in gameplay. Hopefully, nerfing the quest condition to 5 plays with result in a more hybrid-y Quest Rogue deck.
My favorite video in all his series. Thank you for uploading @Trump !!
Kalimos is such a great card, it's really too bad that elementals kinda fell flat. Although I think there is hope for them with the Jade Spirit buff.
Maybe you could consider rating cards on two scales instead of just one:
Viability: The same rating that you're currently using, based on your meta and deck predictions.
and
Potential: An intrinsic rating of the power of the card, while also considering reasonable future synergies.
This way you can give all the Priest cards a 1-star in Viability based on "ha ha Priest" but still give credit to cards like Radiant Elemental and the quest (good in Wild) for having Potential / being better than Binding Heal.
These "reviews of reviews" are amazing. Please don't ever stop doing them Trump :)
Although I'd never run Cornered Sentry, it has saved me when I've discovered it via Stonehill on a couple occasions just because it synergizes with Brawl so well if you opponent has multiple minions that you really don't want winning the brawl.
You don't know how much I was expecting this, finally its out
He was basically almost completely right about Cavens Below. He just couldn't see aggro being weak which is understandable. Can you imagine someone predicting aggro not being viable in a meta before an expansion comes out? Also, Caverns Below isn't really an overpowered quest. It's just sooooo unfun to play against. So ridiculous.
Your "Unite the murlocs" rating weren't really that wrong. Now it sucks, but just when un'goro came out it was a very strong deck.
Best ending yet, Jens. Can this be the new default outro?
@Trump may I ask witch site/sites are you using for deck tier lists? Thaaaanks
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Can we appreciate how close he actually got with a lot of them? This man is trying to do the impossible.
he literally got all the priest cards wrong LOL
rahul kurup Him predicting that the worst class in the whole game would remain the worst is such a fuck up?
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My only problem with the Nether Portal is the fact it costs 5 mana. Having to discard 6 cards is enough of a "cost" that having the portal cost 3 or 4 would make the deck at least somewhat playable.
Looking back at these is really interesting, Trump should do a Trump reviews trump reviews once the set has rotated out of standard to evaluate how the cards performed throughout their standard life
id really appreciate it if every card would get 2 ratings. one just for the card itself, while imagining a world where a deck to support the card is available. A second rating for the actual viability of the card in the existing meta
I really wish Lakkari Sacrifice had worked. Discolock always seemed like such a fun archetype if it could work, and it seemed like if it would ever work, the quest would do the trick... and it didn't.... :'(
Really appreciate you doing this. Most other people would just try to hide their misjudgment.
Do you think if they printed a "hero power changing" card for warlock that allowed you to choose what cards you discard when you discard cards, or that actively allowed you to choose a card to discard. That sacrifice decks could be viable?
10:02 how is it shifting from Queen carnasa to carnasa's brood even as the video is paused?
Not sure I like how he rates the cards in hindsight. I don't think the score should ever be based on 'how many different decks they're run in' but rather they should be rated by how powerful they are overall.
So it's a video with trump talking about trump wearing a shirt with trump on it. I approve
Don't talk to me and my mad son ever again
Don't talk to me or my hatchling ever again.
I'll be honest Trump, you're an incredibly clever person, but trying to foresee the future meta is...well, I don't think it's even possible. I think you're right that it's the best way to look at the new cards, but I think it's beyond what us humans are capable of understanding.
Still though, love the videos. You're probably one of the bigger reasons people start playing Hearthstone :)
Props for making this video and even pointing out where your predictions are correct but the rationale isn't. For future expansions, I'm a proponent of giving each card two ratings: (1) on the frequency of play in the upcoming meta and (2) on overall power level. The second metric is an indicator of cards that might become relevant after future set releases. Also, I think it could help newer ccg players understand what we look for in a card.
Shellshifter is played in some Aggro Druid lists, I would've said it's 3-4 stars considering it varies but definitely not 1 star
He's not given enough credit for his arguments. Only 'good' or 'bad' is what people remember from Trump's reviews on cards, but he was actually spot on in terms of arguments for most of these.
I crafted The Marsh Queen because of the original video. And while it was a fun deck to play and is actually my favorite hunter card, I was super disappointed by how bad it performed
Thanks for this. And big thumps up for the humility. You got a lot of flag (in my opinion undeservedly so). Keep it up
Wow... Did Jens just animate the background when he was reviewing the hunter quest so that it keeps moving even when the video is paused?!
This guy is living in 3017...
18:39 but this is like the best mage spell in the history of hearthstone, just by reading the card text
to be honest i play a discard nzoth control warlock and its actually my highest winrate deck. being about to summon dinomancer after dinomancer after dinomancer is insane when you can get it
I fucking love that apology to mike donais
fittjohan
Indeed 😁
fittjohan trump is not a douchebag if he is wrong, he recognize his error. Also... yes i love the apology To mike donais too
dinosize has seen play though. 8 mana 10/10 also potentially healing something that already traded with something. Turns into 10/10 face as well sometimes.
I'd be interested to hear now that the dust has settled whether Quest Hunter or Quest Shaman is the better deck.
RubbishyUsername Quest Shaman I'm pretty certain. It's a runnable deck whereas Quest Hunter is just bad
I played a Quest Shaman for a while and had some really good luck with it. It's not amazing and I've put it away for a while now, but I don't know anyone who has done well with Quest Hunter.
firebat is playing a lot of bloodbloom warlock recently. i would rate this 2 or 3 stars honestly
I didn't even know that biteweed was a card until I saw this review lmao.
Han shittier vancleef the flavor text for the card is Edwin vanleaf
Han there's a bunch of cards that I completely forgot about until I watched this
I would have nerfed Caverns differently, by increasing crystal core's mana cost. It is not unprecedented as not all quest rewards are 5 mana. Making it +1 bounce really damages the deck unnecessarily, it is probably too slow to be competitive any more.
I've played a lot of ladder in this last couple seasons, and I've never seen Miracle Rouge once yet. Is it only a thing at legend levels and tournaments right now?
What rank are you in?Because i think it's basically extinct in 20-15
Oh I've been waiting for this priest redemption..from the very moment you did your first review lol
I remember thinking the hunter quest would be cancer as well and was afraid for the future of the game. One thing is for sure, we can all thank quest warrior for helping to stomp out aggro decks and indirectly slowing down the Meta, regardless of how viable it is now.
2 star for kalimos? trump, you are truly a madman! i hit legend w ele/echo shaman and its rly strong if built properly
CAVERNS IS GETTING NERFED BOIIIIIIIII
Thaumius bra for real ?
Yes, for real. Press F to ~~pay respects~~ say fuck you to all rougue quest players.
Your worse enemy you're going to have to play 5 of the same minion this time
Why? It's balanced
the only thing that has ever beaten quest rogue is full aggro. it completely shits on every single control deck on the meta lmao
All the paladin dude cards that have an odd cost are insane rn
I learned a lot from my MSOG Review.
*"Rogue Quest is a 1 star card"*
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Caverns didn't come out in MSOG bruh
Acb Thr He's referencing Trump's rating of Swashbuckler in MSOG.
Lots of reviewers gave it bad reviews, mainly kissing the Hunter Quest's ass too much to think too hard about it.
How do you ever say that qh is good its so obviously bad
If you put the speed up to 1.25x Trump almost speaks at a reasonable speed.
Lol you are right, I'm not sure if he speaks slowly by default or just to seem more knowledgeable xD.
Distruptor18 but have you watched dyrus
If you put the speed down to 0x Trump almost speaks at a reasonable speed.
Praise Jens for that ending, lol.
Simple but hilarious.
This vid shows you're honest to yourself and your fanbase...I like that
Fuck me. That joint at the end cracked me up. Well done Jens!
Some aggro druid decks run shellshifter. Doesn't it make it Tier 2?
What if Warlocks could *choose* which card they disarded?
Tariq Saddler it would be better if it was discard the leftmost card or discard the cards adjacent to this card
I like that idea. WAY more consistent than it is now, but not busted like my suggestion.
you can play gwent :p
i wish he would give a score for both standard and arena
I am glad you took the time and went back through
Can someone tell me where Giant Anaconda was played? I'd like to see that :D
I find it odd he rated the warrior quest so low and the druid quest so high since the warrior quest gives infinite value and the druid quest seems like a worse version of jade druid.
Primordial glyph one thing with far sight is unless you run only 3 mana and up cards you will end up with less value than you want sometimes. also the more flexible "bake" the better
Sucks how only two of the 9 quests are worth playing. Will we ever see new quests? I hope so but obviously done better
I still think he wasn't right with the elemental shaman, I climb with it pretty fast, getting twice to rank 2 in three days.
33:47 - Rrogue
11:04 Grivous bite is used as a tech choice in some midrange hnter decks. The 2 star rating is accurate
depends on how long will it take you to replace it with the card you are missing but its 2 star not 1
No good 1-cost discover spells? What about Raven Idol?
12:51 I didn’t even know this card existed...
Can someone tell me if quest rogue is tier 1 please i would rly appreciate it :/ and what are the tier 1 8 decks?
You're so fast Jens, good job !
It's funny how Lost in the Jungle and Stegodon were rated 1 star here, but now (march 2018) they are in every dude paladin deck which is a Tier 1 deck.
I feel like I'm the only one enjoying Trumps way of rating way more than the usual of every other HS-Streamer.
Its so much fun to try and predict a future meta, people are taking these videos way too serious.
I remember Trump getting called a Madman for this Review .. and well he seems to have embraced that nickname
So should I craft caverns below golden since it's about to get nerfed?
Ethan Neal Oh I thought they might do it like they did when they got rid of the hall of fame cards
When will you upload the neutral?
God bless accountability in hearthstone card analysis. Thank you Trump!
So now cards are either 5 or 1 stars?
DischordInMyHead Obviously that's why there are also 2, 3 and 4 ratings included. :) Probably more in fact than in his original review. Dumb ass.
I have been waiting for so long... I love this video :)
Could u tell us which decks are tier 1 atm?
Ethan Neal Could you give us the latest decklist for each, cause I'm a lazy nub, ty.
HighLanderPony Dude, Google
24:14 turn on the automatic english subtitles
"Battle spiked rape speed"
help
I don't get how spikeridge steed cost 6 mana, when power word tentacles cost 5 mana...
Control mage never a thing? Renomage/Kazakus mage was a thing right?
26:15
Sunkeeperino Tarimrino Kripperino I
59:01 Jens saw the opportunity and took it 😂
How is tortollan forager not run? there is still cancer living-mana druid.
Can anyone post me a (not too old) Control Paladin Decklist? I'm curious
Trump you got the voice of an animal planet announcer, like "and the lion steadily approaches the zebra"
A lot of this boils down to not releasing potential synergies with cards in the expansion. Noone thought quest rogue was any good because they figured the requirement took effort and too slow.
Then we were given the varies firefly cards and it completely broke it. Even pirate warrior wasn't as cancerous as quest rogue.
The people critizising Trump don't understand that a wrong prediction is much more valuable than a meaningless one.
Review on review is definitely very good as it is. It is very brave did. Praise the Trump. But the lack of arena ratings is frustrating
I think nerfing warsong was right, because dealing 50+ damage in one turn shouldn't be possible. Post-nerf Patron Warrior was a ton of fun and I still hope it gets a place in the classic set one day..
but yeah. Being faster than quest rogue is pretty easy, unless they roll damn good, but the same thing goes for murloc pally as well.
hanshansomahammau murloc pally is frustrating as hell