See the full interview with Alex before his Hour Record attempt here, it is a good one : ua-cam.com/video/rnJar4ZJQMo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast
You have to love the professionals that go by facts (information minus emotion). I love how this content "motivates" as Alex did with his team mates. He really has a great personality to expose the ignorance in the sport. So many people are guided by opinions, looks or whatever other reason to ignore facts. Thanks for carrying the baton Lantern!
Great content. I listen to both of you and enjoyed this clip. I find any talk of aero gains and marginal gains fascinating. Probably because I'm still relatively new to this side of cycling. Thanks!
Great insight to the limiting culture and mindset of traditional teams and cycling nations. Maybe explains the rare success of the traditional cycling powerhouses in the TDF over recent decades.
Fantastic Video Guys!! One tell. 2022 when we are watching the major tours we will KNOW when a team is putting their sprinter in the hunt for the stage win by the helmet and skinsuit!!
Really interesting clip, Alex has studied and seriously zoomed in on the advantages of Aero and I will definitely be looking to see if any other riders can convince team sponsors that this is worth investing in...FOR THE WIN !!! THANKS Patrick and Alex.
I'd buy narrower bars, noticeable difference using my 36cm 20euro Rose Alu bars vs the expensive 44cm stupid expensive bars that came with my bike. Shocking if riders are doing it at Cat 3 / A3 level that some pros aren't.
I understand the aero gains, especially in TT, or in the velodrome or in any pro races - but for the vast majority of us mere mortals, lightweight is more affordable and easier to achieve (e.g. take a dump before your ride and you've already lost ~400g). Also taking into account we're only cycling on flat roads at about 25-40kph and not racing for wins/money/career (i.e. where aero gains are small and unnecessary since we're not racing), as opposed to the speeds that pros ride at around 60+kph (where aero actually does make a difference), and you can understand why manufacturers can't see the dollar signs when considering investing in aero products for the masses.
reading between the lines from the comment about jumbo visma... did they get rid of Bianchi because Cervelo was more advanced in terms of aero engineering?
Coming from a long course triathlon background, I love seeing which pro cyclists take aerodynamics seriously and which are basically giving wins to others.
I can see why sprinters might not want to wear a minimally-vented aero helmet for a whole Tour stage, but if you could get a helmet swap from the team car 5-10km out, why would you not take that advantage?
I think new riders and lower category riders hearing this will be mislead into thinking the need to buy all the aero stuff they can afford. These marginal gains are only applying to the top echelon of the sport. At lower levels, you still have so many other things to work on before, say, a pair of aero socks are going to help you go faster. First and foremost is the willingness/ability to suffer. The mechanics of pedaling. Body weight. Race knowledge. Blah blah blah. Etc. This is fascinating talk, but save your money.
"I'm a lawyer"... excellent, good to see another UA-camr with professional training of some sort... on the other hand it's never a good look to pat your own back and elevate yourself. There's a line there, no?
It's crazy to me that there's some dentist spending more on aero and will have better kit than a pro rider. The argument always is that the dentist should just spend 5 minutes doing squats every day instead and save themselves some money. That these pro riders are spending huge portions of their life training to go faster but won't wear slippery socks is insane.
@@oreocarlton3343 Imagine dedicating your life to transforming your body to a stick insect with monster legs, breaking your back in half to get the perfect position, waxing your legs and eyebrows for watt gain and then they give you a TT bike with disc brakes
See the full interview with Alex before his Hour Record attempt here, it is a good one : ua-cam.com/video/rnJar4ZJQMo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast
Wow thank you LR!!
"I'm not interested in helping if you're not interested in winning" what a badass!
Absolutely fascinating. 1.6 metres faster over just 200m sprint
Patrick you are possibly the best sports analyst in the world from SDCaUSA thank you Alex helped his team with the hour attempt
You have to love the professionals that go by facts (information minus emotion). I love how this content "motivates" as Alex did with his team mates. He really has a great personality to expose the ignorance in the sport. So many people are guided by opinions, looks or whatever other reason to ignore facts. Thanks for carrying the baton Lantern!
Great content. I listen to both of you and enjoyed this clip. I find any talk of aero gains and marginal gains fascinating. Probably because I'm still relatively new to this side of cycling. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
There is a podcast by the silca people literally called marginal gains, you might enjoy that rabbit hole:)
@@querciagrande ty! I'll check it out!
I'm surprised Dan Bigham hasn't come on the podcast in a similar vein yet - he's really interesting to listen to
Work in progress
Would be cool to see him here, but he’s talked to peak torque if you’re interested.
@@LanterneRougeCycling goddamn hell yeah!
he won't say much now, signed by ineos ;)
Huge gains in fuel efficiency has come from aero, ultimately we are moving through a fluid and that gets more pronounced at higher speeds
Thats' all cycling, end, full stop. The remainder is what your total worth is, is how much you can push a pedal down with force.. So sad.
What a fantastic convo, thanks for posting!
i love those kind of interviews - keep on "keepin on"
Great insight to the limiting culture and mindset of traditional teams and cycling nations. Maybe explains the rare success of the traditional cycling powerhouses in the TDF over recent decades.
Love the content both of you guys put out so no surprise this interview was so great, super insightful! Keep up the good work!
"and now you have an Italian wearing overshoes" I laughted hard at that
Fantastic Video Guys!! One tell. 2022 when we are watching the major tours we will KNOW when a team is putting their sprinter in the hunt for the stage win by the helmet and skinsuit!!
Thank you! Alex is one of my favourite technical cyclists.
If Alex isn’t working for a WT after he retires I will be most disappointed
Can confirm he isn’t. Although it might just be he doesn’t want to
Really interesting clip, Alex has studied and seriously zoomed in on the advantages of Aero and I will definitely be looking to see if any other riders can convince team sponsors that this is worth investing in...FOR THE WIN !!! THANKS Patrick and Alex.
fuck he's such a likeable bloke
He's married dude, keep your pants on
This was a fantastic interview, respect for Alex's analytical approach!
I think we need to get alex on the podcast signing list
Aero is absolutely the most important factor because its exponential
Loved this. Love your work bloke.
Really well put across that, thanks both
2 gents of cycling critique....journalist and athlete....mint
Great interview!!
6:40 is the title
Great discussion!
That was a great interview
Super insightful, thanks guys!
I'd buy narrower bars, noticeable difference using my 36cm 20euro Rose Alu bars vs the expensive 44cm stupid expensive bars that came with my bike. Shocking if riders are doing it at Cat 3 / A3 level that some pros aren't.
Aero is super important, even at club races I see it adopted by many now using skin suits and aero helmets in criteriums
And aero socks ... :)
Aero helmets are ok when it's cold but you easily will overheat doing a crit in summer. Pros get water to tip on their heads at least.
@@glennoc8585 specialized aero helmet 👌 breaths very well
I understand the aero gains, especially in TT, or in the velodrome or in any pro races - but for the vast majority of us mere mortals, lightweight is more affordable and easier to achieve (e.g. take a dump before your ride and you've already lost ~400g).
Also taking into account we're only cycling on flat roads at about 25-40kph and not racing for wins/money/career (i.e. where aero gains are small and unnecessary since we're not racing), as opposed to the speeds that pros ride at around 60+kph (where aero actually does make a difference), and you can understand why manufacturers can't see the dollar signs when considering investing in aero products for the masses.
Lightweight = take big shit, Aero = take off backpack, zip up jacket
For us mere mortals none of this really matters (apart from being sold stuff). If you aren't racing then it doesn't matter; weight or aero.
@@kieron88ward Tempted to start a debate about what really matters in the universe but cant be arsed
@@kieron88ward But Strava…
@@lcooperdesign is a training tool not a race. Best save all your aero gains for Zwift 😁
Had another listen to this (maybe out of nostalgia), but it is still one of your best rider interviews.
Thanks Peter! Hoping to do some more during the off season - LR
reading between the lines from the comment about jumbo visma... did they get rid of Bianchi because Cervelo was more advanced in terms of aero engineering?
Coming from a long course triathlon background, I love seeing which pro cyclists take aerodynamics seriously and which are basically giving wins to others.
Michael Mathews, are you listening?
Love the insight.
Really interesting. Anyone know the best aero (for aero) road helmet?
I can see why sprinters might not want to wear a minimally-vented aero helmet for a whole Tour stage, but if you could get a helmet swap from the team car 5-10km out, why would you not take that advantage?
The time loss changing helmets would negate the marginal gains of the more aero helmet
@@glennoc8585 It's hard to say for sure but it could be done in 5 seconds rolling alongside the team car so not that much time loss...
Probably not allowed to remove your helmet whilst moving I reckon
@@thesprazzzler You might be right, that was the only thing I wasn't sure about...
That was great!!
I do road races in a full fitted teched out skinsuit and a TT helmet. Aero matters.
This was Chris Boardman back in the 90s. He was ridiculed for wearing skin suit and aero helmet in road stages, now it's the norm.
I think new riders and lower category riders hearing this will be mislead into thinking the need to buy all the aero stuff they can afford. These marginal gains are only applying to the top echelon of the sport. At lower levels, you still have so many other things to work on before, say, a pair of aero socks are going to help you go faster. First and foremost is the willingness/ability to suffer. The mechanics of pedaling. Body weight. Race knowledge. Blah blah blah. Etc. This is fascinating talk, but save your money.
Is riding naked more aero than any kit? How many watts does modesty cost?
"I'm a lawyer"... excellent, good to see another UA-camr with professional training of some sort... on the other hand it's never a good look to pat your own back and elevate yourself. There's a line there, no?
How long till the full interview is up? Great clip though..
Full interview is here | ua-cam.com/video/rnJar4ZJQMo/v-deo.html
Thanks I just found it..
Jan-Willem van Schip comes to mind. He seems to be a keen student of aerodynamics. Too bad he got disqualified for those Speeco handlebars.
Not too bad. It was a flagrant violation of the rules and they were aware of it.
Politics in everything and everywhere even cycling. Did I hear "Aero socks" haha. Alex is so into nuance it's great.
So the abus helmets aren't quick huh?
It's crazy to me that there's some dentist spending more on aero and will have better kit than a pro rider. The argument always is that the dentist should just spend 5 minutes doing squats every day instead and save themselves some money. That these pro riders are spending huge portions of their life training to go faster but won't wear slippery socks is insane.
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Did he just said aero socks :D
Disc brakes.
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@@death2pc they are talking about inferior tehnology sponsors make them ride arent they?
@@oreocarlton3343 Imagine dedicating your life to transforming your body to a stick insect with monster legs, breaking your back in half to get the perfect position, waxing your legs and eyebrows for watt gain and then they give you a TT bike with disc brakes
@@larslosh5598 or a 8.5kg climbing bike to finish the uphill😂😂😂
@@larslosh5598 Well said Lars. Disc brakes suck on road bikes. They are for Freds that drive their SUV's with two feet.