Honestly one of the most chilling moments in the series. No, these are not misunderstood humans who just happen to be wearing horns. This is a truly monstrous species that only mimics human appearance and speech as both a survival mechanism and a hunting tool. They are “inhuman” in the truest definition of the word, which makes them actually kind of unnerving as a species
This take on demons feels somewhat…refreshing? I’m so used to the humanization of demons in anime that seeing them as true monsters with no empathy feels like a new take on this fantasy race,even tho they were originally depicted like that.
What I love about this anime is that it defined demons in a clear way beyond any other anime with demons. Their personality, how the rank each other, their individual magic, but most of all how and why they use language. To me this is the best type of demon race ive seen in any format.
@@MasterOfTruck We've been conditioned by other anime concept of Demons with emotions same as humans or incapable of lying trope, that's why. Ironically- something this world Demon takes advantage of.
@@lilblkrose Even if you ignore the meta aspect to this, they're still clearly sapient and capable of _some_ form of emotions. Most importantly, many of them look like humans. Even when you know you shouldn't pity them on an intellectual level, basic Human empathy still works in their favor.
@@MasterOfTruckyeah demons have been humanized in almost, if not all, anime they show up in so this was bound to happen. I think people will come to understand there's no reasoning with them when later characters are shown. They're also interesting characters imo
@@nineflames2863 I would have to question if they are truly sapient if they are unable to choose to do good because it is good. I would think of them as just an extremely intelligent animal with a lot of power and the ability and instinct to mimic people to take advantage of humans. Haven't seen the anime myself yet, but these clips keep popping up and I have finally put it on my watchlist.
Everyone talking about how refreshingly evil the demons are, i’m just chilled by Himel’s quiet defeated “no…” as if he wanted to believe in the demon so badly, but that ideal was shattered. Heartbreaking.
@@-o-dq7ndI mean it's still heartbreaking, Himmel wanted to believe in this demon's humanity. Not only was he proven wrong, he had to learn the hard way: at the cost of a life he swore to protect. Himmel was heartbroken here and I don't think he ever fully forgave himself for this mistake.
@@Vegas242 Interestingly, I take Frieren's willingness to stand down and let him learn this lesson is a sign of respect, not indifference or apathy. She coulda just killed that demon anytime and nobody could have stopped her... but she didn't. She understood that lessons need learning, and sometimes the painful way is the only way to make it stick. Just like telling a kid a stove is hot, or a pepper is hot and will burn. They won't truly understand until they experience it for themselves.
It was a brutal lesson for sure. Himmel wants to see the best in everyone, which made him the ideal target for a demon pretending to be remorseful. And it wasn't just his sympathy that resulted in the death of that girl, it was his sympathy and the fact that he ignored Frieren's warning. So I'd imagine his guilt over this situation was very heavy.
It's very interesting to see a demon - something that is usually portrayed as a ruthless, selfish soul who lacks empathy - actually getting the treatment they deserve instead of them trying to be more... human, for lack of a better term.
Yeah I can agree with that interpretation, Too commonly in anime, Demons are usually just humans with both physical strength and large reserves of mana with horns, With a penchant of a wolf pack mentality where might makes right and the right to rule and conquer.
Someone said this in another video, but the thought that she learned that word and phrase from the kid she killed, probably her last words, is the most chilling thought. The poor mother
Frieren is one of the coldest characters I have ever seen in Anime. By "cold", I don't mean she kills other people for the lulz. Her sense of reason is so direct, it leaves no room for emotions to interfere.
There's something so chilling about this depiction of demons as a race of almost entirely apathetic creatures who know how to manipulate feelings with words but are incapable of such feelings themselves, and such concepts as "family" and "love" are so alien to them that they can't even hope to fully understand what they are beyond using them as a means to an end. The flashback this clip comes from only adds to that. It leads us to believe that redemption is possible for this demon through a brief montage only to pull the rug out from under us by showing the horrific aftermath, confirming Frieren was right to be suspicious and untrusting of the demon because of what the elf mage knew about her kind.
frieren wasnt even suspicious. she flat out wanted to end that child as soon as she saw her because she already knew after being alive for hundreds of years. it was himmel that tried to empathize with the child and thats what went wrong. because as the hero, of course he tries to find the "good" in everyone. but when it comes to demons, its just not possible and he learned that the hard way. frieren didnt even hesitate and himmel shouldve listened to her from the get go. but the series intentionally does this to make it very clear cut and dry why you dont empathize them in any capacity.
@@MasterOfTruck Ok, maybe "suspicious" might not have been the right word, but she certainly wasn't falling for the demon's pleas of "mom". It also wasn't just Himmel that tried to give the demon a chance, though, as the village chief thought she could be reformed and took her in. That would ultimately cost him his life.
(heavy spoilers for the gold arc) . . . There is a whole arc with Macth where in the end, he is completely unable to understand what being "malicious" is, and keeps killing and doing whatever he likes, cemeting 200% the fact that demons are urredemable in this world, not even match using all his might could begin to understand empathy or feelings, everything is a means to an end for their own self pleasure and survival to demonkind
@@checkthisout7616 (heavy spoiler for extra context.) . . . . . . . . . Macth was bound by magic, a very strong magic to Not do anything malicious to Humans. The magic works, but since he has no concept of malice it does nothing. He tried for very long experimenting in humans trying to understand what malice was and never managed to.
@@finikksu . . . . yeah that magic bracelet was completely useless until the end and it did nothing to stop macht from doing anything he wants, demons basically do whatever they want until they die, not bound by any rule other than the rule of the strongest
She was trying to make amends for the earlier killing of that woman's daughter by sacrificing something precious to herself, and giving the woman a new daughter. She was not being evil, but the demon way of doing things was completely at odds with the human way. That is why she was shocked when the villagers reacted the way they did. She did not understand.
@@Tugela60 She was being evil, you missed the point that the entire time she is just lying because the humans are foolish enough to believe the wolf in sheep's clothing even after repeatedly being backstabbed by demons and no matter how flimsy the lie is. The later episodes cement the fact demons do understand and empathize with the fear of death. It's not like she didn't know what she was doing was wrong.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj And you are missing the point that the demons are alien, not evil. Good thing you did not live in the ancient world, because you would have thought literally everyone was evil, and they would have thought the same thing about you.
Right before this is one of the only times we see Himmel in anger. He did ask Frieren to spare the demon at first, and that mercy led to 2 civilians dying and left a little girl an orphan.
It's an interesting concept. In classical literature, alchemists like Dr. Faustus raised demons using special words to protect themselves from the Demons' wrath. And so the Demons use special words to protect themselves from human wrath.
Demons in this setting are like psychopath serial killers. Highly intelligent and manipulative, but they completely lack empathy and are incapable of love.
The demons from this story reminds me of the Rock Humans from JoJo Part 8. They too don't raise their young, lack empathy and love, and are very manipulative.
Because it's a survival mechanism for them. If they feel love and compassion for the humans they eat, then they wouldn't feel like eating them and would die. Pretty interesting take on why demons are the way they are.
@@0doublezero0 I don't think so ... humans are juste prey. Demons are hunters and use humans feelings like an human hunter would use some traps to capture a prey
"The D-Reaper is unable to be sorry or to be sad or happy. Your feelings of concern and compassion do nothing but make you weak." -The D-Reaper, Digimon Tamers
I was actually sympathizing with the demon here for a moment. I actually thought that maybe an accident caused the fire in house and village chief died in fire. So the demon may have saved his daughter and escaped. Now the villagers will misunderstand that the demon sabotaged the village chief and all. I really thought the demon started to change. Imagine my surprise after watching this scene. This show really caught me off guard right then and there. Brilliant.
Yep we’re so conditioned from multiple shows depicting demons/monster as NOT all bad and some even good but not Frieren. Frieren doubles down on the original trope of Demons being manipulative, unsympathetic killers.
😂Jeezus. "Yeah we act like kids and call out mama, just to eff with you. Make you hesitate, or feel bad for attacking us. Cry... beg for our lives, some of us go all out. Because you're all dumdums. It's dope... Watch!"
That’s not what she said. “Because it stops you from killing us. A magical, wonderful word.” She wasn’t mocking. She was scared for her life, but she wasn’t pleading for ‘mom’. She was pleading for her life.
Brief reminder that demons in Sousou no Frieren are not the biblical/tolkienesque kind and are a more advanced version of the trickster monsters that we have seen in the earlier episodes. Flamme herself gave the term "demon" to any trickster monster that was capable of such a high degree of mimicry and cunning. They are not made of pure evil, they are just a predatory species that feeds on humanlikes, they have done this for thousands of years and even with a society of their own they are still a hunter at the end of the day. You can be empathic with them to a degree(eating humans is their nature) but they wont be with you, you may negotiate but you are just feeding them more, there is no parlay or truce, just tribute.
If birds could speak, would hunters stop chirping because they want to communicate properly, or because they need to make different noises so the birds come closer? This is probably my favorite depiction of demons in fiction. So unsettling
I love that we finally have an anime that takes demon's and doesn't try to make them either secretly good or misunderstood. It's tragic that they literally are incapable of empathy. But it makes it clear that it's no excuse for the evil they commit, and that it really has to be on sight with them, otherwise they will use your own empathy against you. Really, this entire show I think is about empathy and the connections you make with others. This is best exemplified by Frieren. She, an elf, will outlive all of her friends multiple times over. This can leave her disconnected from humanity and to someone not paying attention, no different from the demon's she fights against. But we see multiple times that Frieren has empathy for other creatures, she is able to form genuine connections with others, even if she doesn't fully understand them. When the wait of all the time she lost with her friends hits her, it breaks her. But the demons would never feel that. It cannot make those connections, nor can it understand why others do. It will never have that moment of realization, that genuine grief at those it has lost. Because it physically can't.
They are still misunderstood. The demon girl did do this because she thought she was giving back what she took to the couple of child she ate. They are incapable of empathy, but wether that makes them evil is debatable. They would likely require a lot different nurture than humans do.
@@PlattyGems That's my perspective as well. Take cats, for example, some of them bring dead animals as "gifts" to their owners, thinking they're doing something good. But the owner could be horrified by it. This, by human standards, may not be as horrible as what the demon girl did, but it's similar in the sense that neither had evil intentions, their minds just work differently. They're alien and aren't meant to coexist.
@@PlattyGemsAnd with that thinking, you proved you would get killed by them just like that villager. By trying so hard to understand them, you are playing their game of manipulating you and you'd end up demon food.
@@PlattyGems Another definition of evil is that which is naturally harmful to people. Demons, being a predatory species of humans, would naturally be evil then. Don't overthink everything. Demons don't feel empathy, and they eat people. That makes them evil. End of story.
@PlattyGems They are fundamentally incompatible with humans and can't coexist with them, so humans must either eliminate the demons or get eliminated by them.
A simple word, which causes even the veteran of Warrior to pause….with dire consequences…one only a person such as Frieren could face with no restraint. Yet… She still asked the question: why? I think *_THIS_* is important. Despite her set in stone opinions of demons and humans, it still bugged her. Was it possible she was wrong? It turns out she was, but not in regards to the demon and their motives…but the truth of human nature and social connections tough each others lives….but she wouldn’t realize this fully till after Himmel’s death. So it is a wonder the elf managed to continue to maintain human connections or connections in general after this battle…as the extreme take from this is….emotional connections can make you freeze in battle, if a mere word can cause warriors to freeze….to warriors like Himmel who were orphans. Thankfully curiosity drove the elf than it does caution
In most of the more recent stuff the "demons" are almost always misunderstood nice guys, but here they are unrepentantly evil jerks. It's sort of refreshing to see a story with demons that are actually worthy of being called such.
They are not evil, it is just that the way they interact with the world is different. The only demons we have encountered, other than this girl, are their warrior types. They are fighting against what they see as humanities psychotic behaviour.
@@Tugela60Where did you pull that from? They fight humans so they can eat them. For food. Not as a matter of difference in perspective or for any other reason. The demons themselves flat out state they only talk so they can lure in people. I wouldn't describe them as evil, but they are most likely incapable of coexisting with humans peacefully outside of maybe an extreme fringe case or 2. Evil or not, the things they do to humans are still awful and conflict is unavoidable and necessary for humans to survive and defend themselves. I've seen you running weird defenses for them up and down this whole comment section, and while I appreciate your empathy, it is partially misplaced. If you were in the woods, and a bear started chasing you down because it wanted a meal, would you lie down and let it rip you apart? Of course not. This is ultimately no different. Regardless of their level of consciousness and intelligence, their goal in interacting with humans is to eat them.
@@Tugela60 You cannot call it psychotic behavior if it's observable in dwarfs and elves as well. There is no uno reverse card for this situation, they are an existential threat to all life and must be removed.
@@Tugela60 Your justification of objective evil disgusts me. Humans are only killed by demons in the series because they make the mistake of having sympathy for them. Elves were nearly wiped out because of the demons. They are completely self-centered to the point of not even caring for their own. Hell they're also completely stupid, REAL LIFE psychopaths and sociopaths typically aren't even a problem unless they are abused.
Yes, frieren is a gem of this fall season and I like the characters and its soundtrack.This year they did give us good animes like: Spring with Oshi No Ko, Megami no Café Terrace, Tengoku and Boku no Kokoro.Spring Zom 100 although it is not finished, mushoku tensei and the isekai vending machine.Autumn: frieren, the 100 girlfriends, spy x family, Pluto, kanojo mo kanojo and kusuriya no hitorigoto. If the frieren anime got better. ❤️❤️❤️
Out of all these frieren and Pluto and heavenly delusion are the only ones goated. Rest of the series I dropped out of boredom and nonsense plots. Pluto's and heavenly delusion animation is literally the best animation I have seen recently. Demon Slayer who? Jjk who?
This setting is extremely refreshing, I was sick and tired of the whole "demons are just people, and humanity is only killing them because they're xenophobic" setting. Yeah it is meant to draw parallels to the evil of discrimination in real life, but not every aspect of a story needs to be tied to something in real life. Things can exist just for the sake of a fantastical setting without needed a deeper meaning, or real life equivalent.
But it is xenophobia though. The point is that they two races don't understand each other and consequently the militants among them assume the worst intentions from the other side.
@@Tugela60 I mean xenophobia isn't a bad thing. It's a reason why the safest countries in the world are highly xenophobic (Japan for example, which is likely why this anime has such a message in light of the refugee crime sprees across the west) while the most dangerous countries in the world have open borders.
Nah bc when the demons actually turned out to be coldhearted, blank and evil and there was nothing to be done abt it, I was taken aback and it made me realize how often the “bad species” in other series actually get the “we have families too and care for each other” treatment or some sort of redemption theme put onto them.. It was akin to a culture shock😅😂
they’re not even evil. they are just a predatory species, like a Lion to a gazelle. they look similar to humans, and they speak the language, but under the hood they’re an entirely different entity altogether.
What’s crazy is I’m STILL not sure if the demon girl truly had actual GOOD intentions when she offered the daughter. Was she actually trying to repay for her mistake in an extremely misguided way or was she simply just too evil to not understand the lives she was taking and did it on a whim and simply used it as an excuse. Frieren mentions how they only lie and their speech is just an example of it but it’s just CTAZY to me as a viewer how I’m STILL even now doubting myself on the decision to take her down. I can’t grasp if she was unredeemably evil or actually tried. This is insanely well written for such a small section of the show lol.
Why no one is talking about how chill was this demon about its own death? I think this is actually why some people try find a good side in these demons. Not every human can accept his fate with such ease.
Most of the flashbacks to Frieren's time in the Heroes' Party involves someone else, usually Himmel, teaching her something that she wouldn't internalize until many decades later. Something about human nature, such as the desire to be remembered or the inherent appeal of heaven. What we get here is a rare instance of Frieren teaching Himmel something - and, appropriate to her name, it is a cold truth. Frieren knew the answer to the question she asked the demon child, she'd known it for centuries. She asked the question for the benefit of everyone else there, especially her party and ESPECIALLY Himmel. He needed to know that the world he lived in was populated by true, genuine evil - because when the party finally faced the Demon King, he had to be resolved. No regrets, no hypotheticals, no hesitation. Every part of him had to know that killing the Demon King was the way it had to be, and that that was not a tragedy.
Despite their lack of humanity, the atrocities they have committed, and the fact you are not supposed to sympathize with them and thus lose your guard, I can’t help but to pity them. These creatures know only killing, domination, and manipulation, they can’t understand let alone comprehend “family” “kindness” “malice” and even those that do want to understand such concepts can’t do so without killing people because it’s the only thing they know how to do. They are deeply flawed and tragic creatures doomed to extinction due to their lack human compatibility and arrogance. By the time demons are long gone, what will become of their hopes, their dreams, their ambitions, must another species similar to us be eradicated to ensure our own survival, are we to ignore what they could have been, instead of what they always are? I need counseling!
I wonder what if demons was created just to be common enemy that could band all other species against them? I mean, it's impossible to answer if real-life species have some specific destination but we're talking about fantasy where we have a Goddess with her own opinion and view of world. So what if she created all evil and bloodlust race so other races (elves, humans, dwarfs) could live in peace between each other? Nothing brings people together like a common enemy.
It says a lot about how badly years of bad fantasy and isekai have brainwashed the average anime viewer that despite this, people still find hard to understand the very clear message that those demons are monsters that can't be reasoned with.
? This is just one show, what are you going on about? If you’re trying to say that they’re biblical demons, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong there as well.
@@Noriniaaren’t most if not all of biblically accurate demons evil or am I missing something here? Isn’t that the whole point of Bible teaching? Stay the eff away from the whispering of the demon?
This is just how the author portrays demons in their story. There is no "wrong" or "right" way about the method. Just comes down to what the author wants in their story. But I do agree that it is refreshing to see demons not portrayed like humans.
@@stevenlee3240 Demons don't actually exist in the Bible. Demons like hell is "pop culture" from stuff like the book Dante's Inferno. Biblically, evil is nothing more than a choice to do wrong. For example the "original sin" with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden was a conscious choice to give into temptation even without having any pressure or need to make that choice (they literally lived in paradise without any wants), yet they still did it. The Bible's teaching is that evil always comes from within ourselves regardless of our past, so it's important to always fight it. Example of King David who is the war hero that beat Goliath, but then later as King took his loyal soldier's wife and sent him to die which is a horrific sin. Popular culture however implies that evil is never your fault, but the fault of some external force that's making you do bad.
@@Norinia I think he is more talking about the several people in the comments who are trying to defend the demon girl's actions and claiming she didn't know what she did was wrong. Even though she literally admitted it was all a bad lie because humans are so gullible.
Refreshing to see a series where demons are portrayed according to their nature. There is logically no hope for them to be salvaged. It's simply in their nature to go about existing in a way that benefits them without any care towards the mess they leave in their wake; they cannot be as humans are, it's impossible. Frieren being utterly merciless towards them makes her extremely appealing. I say all this, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if later in the series the cliched route is taken where they can befriend demons. The series has been solid thus far, but I do expect to be disappointed in that regard.
Not so far. Even the few demons who are fascinated by humans and want to understand them are more like scientists who experiment on and dissect humans in order to figure out why humans think and feel how they do.
Spoilers Every time a demon has tried to understand humans in Sousou no Frieren it ends up with that demon being one of the demons that most people has killed
The very nature of the demons in the show makes that impossible. Heck, even Vergil is more human than any demon in this show... Hopefully he and Frieren never cross paths.. but who knows? \o/
@@asakayosaproVergil is half by the way. And he detests the demon to the very core of his being. He wants their power but it doesn’t mean he likes them.
Demons in this anime are basically Xenomorphs who developed the ability to look appealing and talk to trick humans into being killed. True evil just like in Tolkien’s fantasy.
@@lazerbeam1673they are not evil, but they are intrinsically donot seem compatible with x kind of life- they way the xenomorpth are, which make them feel really artificial and make me like the comparison with the xenomorpth. I guess will get more context forward. There is no enough information to conclude their nature. We can only have two sides: or either are a shallow and opportunistic literally troppe (which can be used well anyways) or there's some background to them which explains their way of being. They feel too sentient and self aware to also be naturally so ignorant. Short lived beast can instinctively imitate things; but intelligent long lived being can't be naturally so ignorant for so long and all of them: they can not understand fatherhood or family as a being, but they have to be consciously aware of what what implies if they use it to exploit it. Sometimes seems like the writers want to eat their cake and have it too: either instinct based mindless beasts or intelligent beast who use it consciously. There's something i dont like about it so far, but i am giving it the benefit of the doubt
The darkest thing is when we all realize that they are beings without feelings and pure evil, the girl says in her last words: "it is a beautiful word, that for some reason prevents them from killing us." At that moment I realize that demons do have feelings, appreciate the value of their life and that they barely began to evolve to perceive, not very clearly, the concept that there is something beautiful in concepts that they cannot understand well. That is why the action of killing a family to give a daughter to the other one she killed, as if trying to do "a good deed" to repair her mistakes but as she herself said: "it seems that I misunderstood." If we think about it, they are not different from elves, the only difference is that elves do not have that instinct to devour humans and demons have more of a nutritional need and deeply rooted instincts.
@@jamespryor5967 Was she really raised by them tho? I mean, A 500 year old demon looks 20 years old so this one may have already been living a while before being 'adopted'.
I saw a video of a crocodile imitating a human drowning by sticking both feet in the air and keeping the rest of it's body underwater. At first I really thought it was a human because of how human the arms look but after an explanation of what was actually happening it terrified me because this is a method designed specifically to hunt humans. The fact that the croc even did it in the first place is likely because it has worked before.
"Controversial on twitter" how so? If by controversial you just mean immensely popular and praised lol. Sounds like you are trying to lay down some sort of narrative.
@CrossWindsPat funny how that other guy figured you out instantly despite your subversive, deceptive reply. Actually nice parallel to the video we're commenting under :)
Demons remind me of the white walkers from ASOIAF. Completely inhuman but mysterious, like they don't seem like natural creatures and don't leave corpses behind, just dissolving into air/melting into water. I hope the series reveals the origins of demons one day
It's a slow, character driven series with occasional intense battles and dark undertones and themes of loss, regret and dealing with the inevitability of death. While also learning to cherish those important to you before you lose them. It's a very melancholy story. But there's still moments of joy and love and peace. Despite all of the darkness that is lurking around the corner for you.
I think this is the first time demons are depicted this way We have seen good demons, evil demons, crazy demons, intelligent demons, but I dont think we have never seen demons devoid of emotions before. This are not human demons, but a totally different species that have 0 compasion, remorse, love, or any type of human emotions. They try to imitate them in order to appear human in their eyes, or at least to bring out their weaknesses like mercy. Its very unique
Why would the demon explain "because it stops you from killing us"? What does she have to gain from being truthful the moment before her whole body disintegrates? I thought the only reason they speak to humans is to give themselves the advantage.
The only reason they learned to speak is to give themselves an advantage. And they lack empathy and morals. But they’re still sentient and sapient they can make decisions on whims. Talking while they die doesn’t cost them anything or make them die faster so there’s no reason not to talk.
She knew she was dying and so had no means to gain an advantage, in such a state all she was doing was answering a prompt like the mindless drone she was.
Demons from this universe as cruel as they stupid... Perhaps they are not even intelligent in the literal sense of the word, but simply copy their prey in everything: words, emotions, culture... so they do not realize the first time that repeating the same methods to deceive is not a good idea. The only way is to make a mistake and survive the mistake.
Very refreshing to see a TRUE portrayal of demon. Very often in general media you have shows like Lucifer, supernatural, sandman, and games like diablo HUMANISING the demons, completely missing the point of why they are called DEMONS in the first place.
I wish sci-fi would treat robots and aliens the same way. Something human in abilities and appearance but incomprehensible. The closest I've seen is "Yuki Nagoto" from haruhi suzumiya.
This is how demons should always be portrayed. Not the singing Hazbin Hotel redeemers, not the tragic warrior race of the 7 Deadly Sins, not the utopian soceity of royals from Killing Slimes for 300 years and maxed out my level. Demons are literally fallen angels, the only 'good demons' are angels.
Monsters with no human qualities are different.Though the ones that speak and look humans are the worst of the bunch’s because then are evil liars and soulless shell.
My favorite part of this comment section is all the edgy weebs trying to say how demons aren't actually evil because they see themselves as "misunderstood and dark and cool" abd want to relate Sorry kids, you ain't lol
I have to ask, are we meant to feel sympathy for demons? Yeah, I get it, monsters who have to be exterminated, us or them, yadda yadda yadda. I understand demons are incapable of things like empathy and that cannot change, but at the same time, that kind of makes them pitiable imo. Because they literally can't understand such things on a personal level, even if it is understood on a conceptional level. That's all it is, a concept. Idk it just seems kind of sad.
The whole show is about emotions. Look at Frieren, most people will think she does not have any emotional feelings if they just watch a clip. But now you take that demon and place it next to her and she turns very human. Both demons and Frieren mindlessly research magic. Both Frieren and demons live long lives. Both are pretty lonely. Yet Frieren is human inside. I guess the anime hasn't made it clear yet, but it is about Frieren becoming more in tune with her emotions, and how despite being similar to long living demons, she is different.
Congratulations you are human, we feel empathy and have the need to humanize everything. Look at people with wild animals, inanimate objects, and even scripted AI. There was an experiment where they told people to turn off a robot, everyone did it as expected. Then they added voice lines to the robot which begged them "No! Please do not switch me off! I am scared that I won't turn on again!" Half the people hesistated to turn off the robot and a quarter of them refused to turn off the robot. It wasn't alive but the doubt created by the words cause people to hestitate and even outright refuse. Yes, we feel but should we feel for every and anything even when it's most dangerous to us? That is the concept we do need to take into consideration.
They're displayed in a way the perfectly tricks the viewers at first, then crushes it. It's meant to show how easy it is for humans to be tricked simply by throwing out some words and some random movements.
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Honestly one of the most chilling moments in the series. No, these are not misunderstood humans who just happen to be wearing horns. This is a truly monstrous species that only mimics human appearance and speech as both a survival mechanism and a hunting tool. They are “inhuman” in the truest definition of the word, which makes them actually kind of unnerving as a species
Ironically the classic portrayal of demons is refreshing nowadays.
No, you missed the point. They are not evil, they are just alien to humans in the way they think.
@@Tugela60 Read what I wrote again and come back afterwards. Especially the last sentence
@@hfar_in_the_sky It goes both ways though, they probably see humans the same way humans see them.
@@Tugela60 Evil is determined by the morals of the creature. Not your feelings.
This take on demons feels somewhat…refreshing? I’m so used to the humanization of demons in anime that seeing them as true monsters with no empathy feels like a new take on this fantasy race,even tho they were originally depicted like that.
Oh wow, I basically just commented that. 🤣
Completely agreed.
I mean it depends on sourse as for exaple a lot of slavic demons were actually benevolent
This is exactly how real demons act. This Is perfect. Every anime should take notes lol
Exactly! Being a demon, or a demon king, has come to mean almost nothing at this point.
@@ThatGuy7433 fym real demons
What I love about this anime is that it defined demons in a clear way beyond any other anime with demons. Their personality, how the rank each other, their individual magic, but most of all how and why they use language. To me this is the best type of demon race ive seen in any format.
and whats funny is that you _still_ have people trying to empathize with them as if the series hasnt made it very clear cut and dry why you shouldnt.
@@MasterOfTruck We've been conditioned by other anime concept of Demons with emotions same as humans or incapable of lying trope, that's why. Ironically- something this world Demon takes advantage of.
@@lilblkrose Even if you ignore the meta aspect to this, they're still clearly sapient and capable of _some_ form of emotions. Most importantly, many of them look like humans. Even when you know you shouldn't pity them on an intellectual level, basic Human empathy still works in their favor.
@@MasterOfTruckyeah demons have been humanized in almost, if not all, anime they show up in so this was bound to happen.
I think people will come to understand there's no reasoning with them when later characters are shown. They're also interesting characters imo
@@nineflames2863 I would have to question if they are truly sapient if they are unable to choose to do good because it is good. I would think of them as just an extremely intelligent animal with a lot of power and the ability and instinct to mimic people to take advantage of humans.
Haven't seen the anime myself yet, but these clips keep popping up and I have finally put it on my watchlist.
Everyone talking about how refreshingly evil the demons are, i’m just chilled by Himel’s quiet defeated “no…” as if he wanted to believe in the demon so badly, but that ideal was shattered. Heartbreaking.
And not only that, it cost them a life to learn that lesson. A life he will most likely remember and always regret.
Not heartbreaking, but relief. He finally gets it. Tolerance only strengthens those who are themselves intolerant using it as a weapon against them.
@@-o-dq7ndI mean it's still heartbreaking, Himmel wanted to believe in this demon's humanity. Not only was he proven wrong, he had to learn the hard way: at the cost of a life he swore to protect.
Himmel was heartbroken here and I don't think he ever fully forgave himself for this mistake.
@@Vegas242 Interestingly, I take Frieren's willingness to stand down and let him learn this lesson is a sign of respect, not indifference or apathy. She coulda just killed that demon anytime and nobody could have stopped her... but she didn't. She understood that lessons need learning, and sometimes the painful way is the only way to make it stick.
Just like telling a kid a stove is hot, or a pepper is hot and will burn. They won't truly understand until they experience it for themselves.
It was a brutal lesson for sure. Himmel wants to see the best in everyone, which made him the ideal target for a demon pretending to be remorseful. And it wasn't just his sympathy that resulted in the death of that girl, it was his sympathy and the fact that he ignored Frieren's warning. So I'd imagine his guilt over this situation was very heavy.
It's very interesting to see a demon - something that is usually portrayed as a ruthless, selfish soul who lacks empathy - actually getting the treatment they deserve instead of them trying to be more... human, for lack of a better term.
Yeah I can agree with that interpretation, Too commonly in anime, Demons are usually just humans with both physical strength and large reserves of mana with horns, With a penchant of a wolf pack mentality where might makes right and the right to rule and conquer.
If you like this interpretation of demons, then you'll definitely love the demons in Dungeon Meshi. They are pure nightmare fuel.
Seems like that was an agenda almost.
Absolutely agreed @@joshthehollow5254
They did try with one demon. He ended up killing a bunch of people while trying to make him self sad about killing a bunch of people
Someone said this in another video, but the thought that she learned that word and phrase from the kid she killed, probably her last words, is the most chilling thought. The poor mother
Frieren is one of the coldest characters I have ever seen in Anime. By "cold", I don't mean she kills other people for the lulz. Her sense of reason is so direct, it leaves no room for emotions to interfere.
She probably saw that spiel about "mom" many times before.
She's just super professional.
The story is about her gaining awareness of emotions, so don't be surprised when it changes.
Because against Demons, you can't get emotional. They use words and emotions as a tool to deceive people.
her name literally translates to "freezing", it's german like everyone else's names
There's something so chilling about this depiction of demons as a race of almost entirely apathetic creatures who know how to manipulate feelings with words but are incapable of such feelings themselves, and such concepts as "family" and "love" are so alien to them that they can't even hope to fully understand what they are beyond using them as a means to an end. The flashback this clip comes from only adds to that. It leads us to believe that redemption is possible for this demon through a brief montage only to pull the rug out from under us by showing the horrific aftermath, confirming Frieren was right to be suspicious and untrusting of the demon because of what the elf mage knew about her kind.
frieren wasnt even suspicious. she flat out wanted to end that child as soon as she saw her because she already knew after being alive for hundreds of years. it was himmel that tried to empathize with the child and thats what went wrong. because as the hero, of course he tries to find the "good" in everyone. but when it comes to demons, its just not possible and he learned that the hard way. frieren didnt even hesitate and himmel shouldve listened to her from the get go. but the series intentionally does this to make it very clear cut and dry why you dont empathize them in any capacity.
@@MasterOfTruck Ok, maybe "suspicious" might not have been the right word, but she certainly wasn't falling for the demon's pleas of "mom". It also wasn't just Himmel that tried to give the demon a chance, though, as the village chief thought she could be reformed and took her in. That would ultimately cost him his life.
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Macth was bound by magic, a very strong magic to Not do anything malicious to Humans.
The magic works, but since he has no concept of malice it does nothing. He tried for very long experimenting in humans trying to understand what malice was and never managed to.
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yeah that magic bracelet was completely useless until the end and it did nothing to stop macht from doing anything he wants, demons basically do whatever they want until they die, not bound by any rule other than the rule of the strongest
Honestly, this demon girl's explanation of how her kind thinks makes my blood run cold.
She was trying to make amends for the earlier killing of that woman's daughter by sacrificing something precious to herself, and giving the woman a new daughter. She was not being evil, but the demon way of doing things was completely at odds with the human way. That is why she was shocked when the villagers reacted the way they did. She did not understand.
@@Tugela60 She was? Prove it.
@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Did you not watch the anime?
@@Tugela60 She was being evil, you missed the point that the entire time she is just lying because the humans are foolish enough to believe the wolf in sheep's clothing even after repeatedly being backstabbed by demons and no matter how flimsy the lie is. The later episodes cement the fact demons do understand and empathize with the fear of death. It's not like she didn't know what she was doing was wrong.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj And you are missing the point that the demons are alien, not evil.
Good thing you did not live in the ancient world, because you would have thought literally everyone was evil, and they would have thought the same thing about you.
Right before this is one of the only times we see Himmel in anger. He did ask Frieren to spare the demon at first, and that mercy led to 2 civilians dying and left a little girl an orphan.
It's as Frieren puts it herself: "Demons are not people, they're just predatory animals capable of speech." Paraphrasing but still.
It's an interesting concept. In classical literature, alchemists like Dr. Faustus raised demons using special words to protect themselves from the Demons' wrath. And so the Demons use special words to protect themselves from human wrath.
Demons in this setting are like psychopath serial killers. Highly intelligent and manipulative, but they completely lack empathy and are incapable of love.
The demons from this story reminds me of the Rock Humans from JoJo Part 8. They too don't raise their young, lack empathy and love, and are very manipulative.
Because it's a survival mechanism for them. If they feel love and compassion for the humans they eat, then they wouldn't feel like eating them and would die. Pretty interesting take on why demons are the way they are.
@@0doublezero0 I don't think so ... humans are juste prey. Demons are hunters and use humans feelings like an human hunter would use some traps to capture a prey
@@manulex2 That's exactly it.
So they're just like Muzan of Demon Slayer yore?
"The D-Reaper is unable to be sorry or to be sad or happy. Your feelings of concern and compassion do nothing but make you weak." -The D-Reaper, Digimon Tamers
The D-Reaper was easily one of the best villains Digimon ever had, alongside Kurata.
Tamers was so good.
I was actually sympathizing with the demon here for a moment.
I actually thought that maybe an accident caused the fire in house and village chief died in fire. So the demon may have saved his daughter and escaped. Now the villagers will misunderstand that the demon sabotaged the village chief and all. I really thought the demon started to change.
Imagine my surprise after watching this scene.
This show really caught me off guard right then and there. Brilliant.
Yep we’re so conditioned from multiple shows depicting demons/monster as NOT all bad and some even good but not Frieren. Frieren doubles down on the original trope of Demons being manipulative, unsympathetic killers.
“Mom.”
“Ha! You people don’t have any family. None that love you, anyway.”
Not enough cream for that burn
😂Jeezus. "Yeah we act like kids and call out mama, just to eff with you. Make you hesitate, or feel bad for attacking us. Cry... beg for our lives, some of us go all out. Because you're all dumdums. It's dope... Watch!"
That’s not what she said. “Because it stops you from killing us. A magical, wonderful word.”
She wasn’t mocking. She was scared for her life, but she wasn’t pleading for ‘mom’. She was pleading for her life.
Brief reminder that demons in Sousou no Frieren are not the biblical/tolkienesque kind and are a more advanced version of the trickster monsters that we have seen in the earlier episodes. Flamme herself gave the term "demon" to any trickster monster that was capable of such a high degree of mimicry and cunning. They are not made of pure evil, they are just a predatory species that feeds on humanlikes, they have done this for thousands of years and even with a society of their own they are still a hunter at the end of the day. You can be empathic with them to a degree(eating humans is their nature) but they wont be with you, you may negotiate but you are just feeding them more, there is no parlay or truce, just tribute.
Basically, skinwalkers on steroids.
Basically the Fae
Biblical demons are just that, the only difference is that they are spiritual, not carnal beings.
That's basically the biblical depiction of demons.
Um that’s how demons are described in the Abrahamic religions and it’s why they are in hell.
Goblin Slayer: Goblins!
Freiren & Doomguy: **fist bump**
"Are there any good goblins?"
"Who knows, there's probably one out there... but any good goblin would stay in their holes."
If there were any good goblins, they would just steal foods and run . They don't stop at that , do they ?
If birds could speak, would hunters stop chirping because they want to communicate properly, or because they need to make different noises so the birds come closer? This is probably my favorite depiction of demons in fiction. So unsettling
А ведь на уток мы охотимся так же. Манок для уток....
I love that we finally have an anime that takes demon's and doesn't try to make them either secretly good or misunderstood.
It's tragic that they literally are incapable of empathy. But it makes it clear that it's no excuse for the evil they commit, and that it really has to be on sight with them, otherwise they will use your own empathy against you.
Really, this entire show I think is about empathy and the connections you make with others. This is best exemplified by Frieren. She, an elf, will outlive all of her friends multiple times over. This can leave her disconnected from humanity and to someone not paying attention, no different from the demon's she fights against. But we see multiple times that Frieren has empathy for other creatures, she is able to form genuine connections with others, even if she doesn't fully understand them. When the wait of all the time she lost with her friends hits her, it breaks her. But the demons would never feel that. It cannot make those connections, nor can it understand why others do. It will never have that moment of realization, that genuine grief at those it has lost. Because it physically can't.
They are still misunderstood.
The demon girl did do this because she thought she was giving back what she took to the couple of child she ate.
They are incapable of empathy, but wether that makes them evil is debatable. They would likely require a lot different nurture than humans do.
@@PlattyGems That's my perspective as well. Take cats, for example, some of them bring dead animals as "gifts" to their owners, thinking they're doing something good. But the owner could be horrified by it. This, by human standards, may not be as horrible as what the demon girl did, but it's similar in the sense that neither had evil intentions, their minds just work differently. They're alien and aren't meant to coexist.
@@PlattyGemsAnd with that thinking, you proved you would get killed by them just like that villager. By trying so hard to understand them, you are playing their game of manipulating you and you'd end up demon food.
@@PlattyGems Another definition of evil is that which is naturally harmful to people. Demons, being a predatory species of humans, would naturally be evil then. Don't overthink everything. Demons don't feel empathy, and they eat people. That makes them evil. End of story.
@PlattyGems They are fundamentally incompatible with humans and can't coexist with them, so humans must either eliminate the demons or get eliminated by them.
"On the Demons and their lies" by Frieren the Slayer
A simple word, which causes even the veteran of Warrior to pause….with dire consequences…one only a person such as Frieren could face with no restraint.
Yet…
She still asked the question: why?
I think *_THIS_* is important.
Despite her set in stone opinions of demons and humans, it still bugged her. Was it possible she was wrong?
It turns out she was, but not in regards to the demon and their motives…but the truth of human nature and social connections tough each others lives….but she wouldn’t realize this fully till after Himmel’s death.
So it is a wonder the elf managed to continue to maintain human connections or connections in general after this battle…as the extreme take from this is….emotional connections can make you freeze in battle, if a mere word can cause warriors to freeze….to warriors like Himmel who were orphans.
Thankfully curiosity drove the elf than it does caution
Taking the word "mommy" to a whole new level.
In most of the more recent stuff the "demons" are almost always misunderstood nice guys, but here they are unrepentantly evil jerks. It's sort of refreshing to see a story with demons that are actually worthy of being called such.
They are not evil, it is just that the way they interact with the world is different.
The only demons we have encountered, other than this girl, are their warrior types. They are fighting against what they see as humanities psychotic behaviour.
@@Tugela60Where did you pull that from? They fight humans so they can eat them. For food. Not as a matter of difference in perspective or for any other reason. The demons themselves flat out state they only talk so they can lure in people. I wouldn't describe them as evil, but they are most likely incapable of coexisting with humans peacefully outside of maybe an extreme fringe case or 2. Evil or not, the things they do to humans are still awful and conflict is unavoidable and necessary for humans to survive and defend themselves. I've seen you running weird defenses for them up and down this whole comment section, and while I appreciate your empathy, it is partially misplaced. If you were in the woods, and a bear started chasing you down because it wanted a meal, would you lie down and let it rip you apart? Of course not. This is ultimately no different. Regardless of their level of consciousness and intelligence, their goal in interacting with humans is to eat them.
@@Tugela60 You cannot call it psychotic behavior if it's observable in dwarfs and elves as well. There is no uno reverse card for this situation, they are an existential threat to all life and must be removed.
@derpnip They are not an existential threat to all life though. You could say the same thing about humans and elves.
@@Tugela60 Your justification of objective evil disgusts me. Humans are only killed by demons in the series because they make the mistake of having sympathy for them. Elves were nearly wiped out because of the demons. They are completely self-centered to the point of not even caring for their own. Hell they're also completely stupid, REAL LIFE psychopaths and sociopaths typically aren't even a problem unless they are abused.
Yes, frieren is a gem of this fall season and I like the characters and its soundtrack.This year they did give us good animes like: Spring with Oshi No Ko, Megami no Café Terrace, Tengoku and Boku no Kokoro.Spring Zom 100 although it is not finished, mushoku tensei and the isekai vending machine.Autumn: frieren, the 100 girlfriends, spy x family, Pluto, kanojo mo kanojo and kusuriya no hitorigoto. If the frieren anime got better. ❤️❤️❤️
Out of all these frieren and Pluto and heavenly delusion are the only ones goated.
Rest of the series I dropped out of boredom and nonsense plots.
Pluto's and heavenly delusion animation is literally the best animation I have seen recently. Demon Slayer who? Jjk who?
Jujutsu Kaisen too?
This setting is extremely refreshing, I was sick and tired of the whole "demons are just people, and humanity is only killing them because they're xenophobic" setting. Yeah it is meant to draw parallels to the evil of discrimination in real life, but not every aspect of a story needs to be tied to something in real life. Things can exist just for the sake of a fantastical setting without needed a deeper meaning, or real life equivalent.
But it is xenophobia though. The point is that they two races don't understand each other and consequently the militants among them assume the worst intentions from the other side.
@@Tugela60 They're a race entirely composed of physchopaths, they can get along with humans like nerve gas can.
@@Tugela60two species, not races in this case. Is it xenophobic when an animal kills its prey?
@@yakasaibashir5846 Depends. If it is killing specifically because it is different, then yes, it is xenophobic.
@@Tugela60 I mean xenophobia isn't a bad thing. It's a reason why the safest countries in the world are highly xenophobic (Japan for example, which is likely why this anime has such a message in light of the refugee crime sprees across the west) while the most dangerous countries in the world have open borders.
Nah bc when the demons actually turned out to be coldhearted, blank and evil and there was nothing to be done abt it, I was taken aback and it made me realize how often the “bad species” in other series actually get the “we have families too and care for each other” treatment or some sort of redemption theme put onto them.. It was akin to a culture shock😅😂
they’re not even evil. they are just a predatory species, like a Lion to a gazelle. they look similar to humans, and they speak the language, but under the hood they’re an entirely different entity altogether.
@@fakename2926 By that logic nobody's evil. Everyone is just a misunderstood victim of their own circumstances.
What’s crazy is I’m STILL not sure if the demon girl truly had actual GOOD intentions when she offered the daughter. Was she actually trying to repay for her mistake in an extremely misguided way or was she simply just too evil to not understand the lives she was taking and did it on a whim and simply used it as an excuse.
Frieren mentions how they only lie and their speech is just an example of it but it’s just CTAZY to me as a viewer how I’m STILL even now doubting myself on the decision to take her down.
I can’t grasp if she was unredeemably evil or actually tried. This is insanely well written for such a small section of the show lol.
Why no one is talking about how chill was this demon about its own death?
I think this is actually why some people try find a good side in these demons. Not every human can accept his fate with such ease.
Himmels first painful lesson (that we see) on his journey and why demons of all forms are not people.
It was mostly the parents fault for holding a grudge
@@impulseelectrobrine1259 I mean.. the thing ate their daughter
@@arceptor and it could eat you too if you stay mad. LEAVE THE VILLAGE!
It's nice when villains are just villains
They are more like predatory animals
Most of the flashbacks to Frieren's time in the Heroes' Party involves someone else, usually Himmel, teaching her something that she wouldn't internalize until many decades later. Something about human nature, such as the desire to be remembered or the inherent appeal of heaven. What we get here is a rare instance of Frieren teaching Himmel something - and, appropriate to her name, it is a cold truth. Frieren knew the answer to the question she asked the demon child, she'd known it for centuries. She asked the question for the benefit of everyone else there, especially her party and ESPECIALLY Himmel. He needed to know that the world he lived in was populated by true, genuine evil - because when the party finally faced the Demon King, he had to be resolved. No regrets, no hypotheticals, no hesitation. Every part of him had to know that killing the Demon King was the way it had to be, and that that was not a tragedy.
Despite their lack of humanity, the atrocities they have committed, and the fact you are not supposed to sympathize with them and thus lose your guard, I can’t help but to pity them. These creatures know only killing, domination, and manipulation, they can’t understand let alone comprehend “family” “kindness” “malice” and even those that do want to understand such concepts can’t do so without killing people because it’s the only thing they know how to do. They are deeply flawed and tragic creatures doomed to extinction due to their lack human compatibility and arrogance. By the time demons are long gone, what will become of their hopes, their dreams, their ambitions, must another species similar to us be eradicated to ensure our own survival, are we to ignore what they could have been, instead of what they always are? I need counseling!
I wonder what if demons was created just to be common enemy that could band all other species against them? I mean, it's impossible to answer if real-life species have some specific destination but we're talking about fantasy where we have a Goddess with her own opinion and view of world. So what if she created all evil and bloodlust race so other races (elves, humans, dwarfs) could live in peace between each other? Nothing brings people together like a common enemy.
You are not prepared to future arcs then...the nature of demons it's explored even deeper, good luck with that
It says a lot about how badly years of bad fantasy and isekai have brainwashed the average anime viewer that despite this, people still find hard to understand the very clear message that those demons are monsters that can't be reasoned with.
? This is just one show, what are you going on about?
If you’re trying to say that they’re biblical demons, I’m pretty sure you’re wrong there as well.
@@Noriniaaren’t most if not all of biblically accurate demons evil or am I missing something here? Isn’t that the whole point of Bible teaching? Stay the eff away from the whispering of the demon?
This is just how the author portrays demons in their story. There is no "wrong" or "right" way about the method. Just comes down to what the author wants in their story. But I do agree that it is refreshing to see demons not portrayed like humans.
@@stevenlee3240 Demons don't actually exist in the Bible. Demons like hell is "pop culture" from stuff like the book Dante's Inferno. Biblically, evil is nothing more than a choice to do wrong. For example the "original sin" with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden was a conscious choice to give into temptation even without having any pressure or need to make that choice (they literally lived in paradise without any wants), yet they still did it.
The Bible's teaching is that evil always comes from within ourselves regardless of our past, so it's important to always fight it. Example of King David who is the war hero that beat Goliath, but then later as King took his loyal soldier's wife and sent him to die which is a horrific sin. Popular culture however implies that evil is never your fault, but the fault of some external force that's making you do bad.
@@Norinia I think he is more talking about the several people in the comments who are trying to defend the demon girl's actions and claiming she didn't know what she did was wrong. Even though she literally admitted it was all a bad lie because humans are so gullible.
One of my favorite OSTs in the series. Evan Call absolutely killed this soundtrack
Demon: **Tries using human empathy to get one last laugh at the hero now having an internal crisis**
Frieren: "As you can see class..."
LOVING this series 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
This scene was so messed up dude, that's true demon.
Well she was trying to do good. It’s the though that counts…I guess???
i wonder why this one went out so chill but the string guy and aura were crying and begging for mercy
Refreshing to see a series where demons are portrayed according to their nature. There is logically no hope for them to be salvaged. It's simply in their nature to go about existing in a way that benefits them without any care towards the mess they leave in their wake; they cannot be as humans are, it's impossible. Frieren being utterly merciless towards them makes her extremely appealing.
I say all this, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if later in the series the cliched route is taken where they can befriend demons. The series has been solid thus far, but I do expect to be disappointed in that regard.
Not so far. Even the few demons who are fascinated by humans and want to understand them are more like scientists who experiment on and dissect humans in order to figure out why humans think and feel how they do.
Spoilers
Every time a demon has tried to understand humans in Sousou no Frieren it ends up with that demon being one of the demons that most people has killed
The very nature of the demons in the show makes that impossible.
Heck, even Vergil is more human than any demon in this show... Hopefully he and Frieren never cross paths.. but who knows? \o/
@@asakayosaproVergil is half by the way. And he detests the demon to the very core of his being. He wants their power but it doesn’t mean he likes them.
@@asakayosaprowho is Vergil?
Anime of the season already locked up
Demons in this anime are basically Xenomorphs who developed the ability to look appealing and talk to trick humans into being killed.
True evil just like in Tolkien’s fantasy.
Are they evil? Is a lion evil for killing a gazelle?
Ask the gazelle @@lazerbeam1673
@@lazerbeam1673they are not evil, but they are intrinsically donot seem compatible with x kind of life- they way the xenomorpth are, which make them feel really artificial and make me like the comparison with the xenomorpth. I guess will get more context forward.
There is no enough information to conclude their nature. We can only have two sides: or either are a shallow and opportunistic literally troppe (which can be used well anyways) or there's some background to them which explains their way of being.
They feel too sentient and self aware to also be naturally so ignorant. Short lived beast can instinctively imitate things; but intelligent long lived being can't be naturally so ignorant for so long and all of them: they can not understand fatherhood or family as a being, but they have to be consciously aware of what what implies if they use it to exploit it.
Sometimes seems like the writers want to eat their cake and have it too: either instinct based mindless beasts or intelligent beast who use it consciously.
There's something i dont like about it so far, but i am giving it the benefit of the doubt
Season 2 will expand on the concepts touched here. Looking forward to see it animated.
I remember this episode. It;s depressingly dark.
Kinda sad how the most likely way an elf would die , is bye either a violent battle or getting murdered than whatver eternal youth elves live.
_"...tell your children not to go my way..."_
The darkest thing is when we all realize that they are beings without feelings and pure evil, the girl says in her last words: "it is a beautiful word, that for some reason prevents them from killing us." At that moment I realize that demons do have feelings, appreciate the value of their life and that they barely began to evolve to perceive, not very clearly, the concept that there is something beautiful in concepts that they cannot understand well. That is why the action of killing a family to give a daughter to the other one she killed, as if trying to do "a good deed" to repair her mistakes but as she herself said: "it seems that I misunderstood." If we think about it, they are not different from elves, the only difference is that elves do not have that instinct to devour humans and demons have more of a nutritional need and deeply rooted instincts.
no. What your are describing is a sociopath don't equate them to elves. Elves have Asperger totally different.
It isn’t evil. More like animalistic
any animal will do anything to survive, so no, they dont have feelings like humans do
I would be interested to see a demon that can learn to adapt and Fargo their tendencies of evil. Be an interesting arc for frieren.
I love how the daemons aren’t just some race of misunderstood Demi humans but are actual monsters mimicking human behaviour to hunt their prey.
So what if a demon child is raised by a loving human family? Do they learn love and empathy, or do they simply become high-functional sociopaths?
The latter. The one in this clip was raised by a loving human family.
She killed the father and burned the house to the ground.
That was the point of this of this episode. No they do not.
@@jamespryor5967 Was she really raised by them tho? I mean, A 500 year old demon looks 20 years old so this one may have already been living a while before being 'adopted'.
Even if they TRY to understand human emotions they are still mostly unable
No. Watch the show you fkn rtrd. That's literally what happened in this episode.
her and goblin slayer would make great friends
I saw a video of a crocodile imitating a human drowning by sticking both feet in the air and keeping the rest of it's body underwater. At first I really thought it was a human because of how human the arms look but after an explanation of what was actually happening it terrified me because this is a method designed specifically to hunt humans. The fact that the croc even did it in the first place is likely because it has worked before.
Begone Demon: Frieren Blast🗣✋️
Keep an open mind and prepare for many tears
No wonder this anime is controversial on twitter, all of a sudden evil is evil again. That makes a lot of people nervous for some reason
"Controversial on twitter" how so? If by controversial you just mean immensely popular and praised lol. Sounds like you are trying to lay down some sort of narrative.
@@CrossWindsPat Found the abortionist
@@alrightythen391 Found the religious zealot.
@CrossWindsPat funny how that other guy figured you out instantly despite your subversive, deceptive reply. Actually nice parallel to the video we're commenting under :)
@@anon_148 Projection. Its always projection with yall.
Demons are just a race high level Psychopath humanoids. I love it, its like when Goblin Slayer made monsters monstrous.
Frieren: Im gonna unborn you
Demon kid: Mmm... Mo.... Martha.
Demons remind me of the white walkers from ASOIAF.
Completely inhuman but mysterious, like they don't seem like natural creatures and don't leave corpses behind, just dissolving into air/melting into water.
I hope the series reveals the origins of demons one day
"Demons are redeemable" Show them this video
Finally a fantasy series that portrays deamons as inhuman deceivers and predators
they realize they just look more human-like. they are empty inside though
But can someone please tell me if this is a good series to watch? I’m kind of interested in it now because of this clip lol
It's great, it's really unique
@@hellenhardy3144 Thank you! I’ll definitely give it a try then ❤
Best anime of this season and one of the best of 2023.
9.5/10 rating on Aniwave
It's a slow, character driven series with occasional intense battles and dark undertones and themes of loss, regret and dealing with the inevitability of death. While also learning to cherish those important to you before you lose them. It's a very melancholy story. But there's still moments of joy and love and peace. Despite all of the darkness that is lurking around the corner for you.
She's like Spock. Logical in reasoning.
Biological Psychopaths hm.
That’s quite a tragic take on demons. Well written.
one of the coldest implementations of deception
I think this is the first time demons are depicted this way
We have seen good demons, evil demons, crazy demons, intelligent demons, but I dont think we have never seen demons devoid of emotions before. This are not human demons, but a totally different species that have 0 compasion, remorse, love, or any type of human emotions. They try to imitate them in order to appear human in their eyes, or at least to bring out their weaknesses like mercy. Its very unique
Anime of the year🎉
Why would the demon explain "because it stops you from killing us"? What does she have to gain from being truthful the moment before her whole body disintegrates? I thought the only reason they speak to humans is to give themselves the advantage.
The only reason they learned to speak is to give themselves an advantage. And they lack empathy and morals. But they’re still sentient and sapient they can make decisions on whims. Talking while they die doesn’t cost them anything or make them die faster so there’s no reason not to talk.
She knew she was dying and so had no means to gain an advantage, in such a state all she was doing was answering a prompt like the mindless drone she was.
Demons from this universe as cruel as they stupid...
Perhaps they are not even intelligent in the literal sense of the word, but simply copy their prey in everything: words, emotions, culture... so they do not realize the first time that repeating the same methods to deceive is not a good idea. The only way is to make a mistake and survive the mistake.
Well this was a less experienced demon it didn't have time to fully grasp humans
Frieren the Slayer !
Very refreshing to see a TRUE portrayal of demon. Very often in general media you have shows like Lucifer, supernatural, sandman, and games like diablo HUMANISING the demons, completely missing the point of why they are called DEMONS in the first place.
Мненя прикалывает как все их называют злом. Но как то забывают, сто они просто хищники. Да с позиций мыши, котики уже не будут такие милыми.
and there are still idiots who say that portraying demons as evil is racism or they are idiots or worshiping the Devil.
Technically they aren’t evil tho. Good and evil aren’t applicable to them
I wish sci-fi would treat robots and aliens the same way. Something human in abilities and appearance but incomprehensible. The closest I've seen is "Yuki Nagoto" from haruhi suzumiya.
GOATED show.
Idk why but the animation reminds me of World Trigger
No shounen will ever beat freiren in terms of pure peakness 😭
HELP !
I need the name of this music from Even Call ....
these are true predatory skinwalkers
Awesome episodio dcr ❤😂🎉
Guilt tripping. When confronted by death, make yourself miserable. A demon indeed.
DooM Slayer: I approve of this.
Shamiko: abababababa
Frieren: Zoltraak
nani kore! nani kore! nani kore!
Personally I prefer the "father" moment, but this one is fire too
This is how demons should always be portrayed. Not the singing Hazbin Hotel redeemers, not the tragic warrior race of the 7 Deadly Sins, not the utopian soceity of royals from Killing Slimes for 300 years and maxed out my level. Demons are literally fallen angels, the only 'good demons' are angels.
Except that it’s stupid to amply limits to stories based on what is commonly accepted cannon.
The girl was nice to the demon
That's so hard, oh yeah I don't have a mom but I know saying it makes you creatures with emotions take pity on me
She was like "gg" before dying.
Monsters with no human qualities are different.Though the ones that speak and look humans are the worst of the bunch’s because then are evil liars and soulless shell.
So very true
Demons bad, m'kay?
I always thought demons in fr
Shocking
А теперь вспомним, что и у нас есть люди психопаты с таким же типом мышления
My favorite part of this comment section is all the edgy weebs trying to say how demons aren't actually evil because they see themselves as "misunderstood and dark and cool" abd want to relate
Sorry kids, you ain't lol
What are you on about
@@impulseelectrobrine1259 The Futurama pfp being replied to this way after what they said by a roblox pfp makes this hilarious.
@@greg0050 ITS MINCRAFT‼️‼️
@@impulseelectrobrine1259 A bent minecraft avatar rendered in either gmod or roblox. I win.
@ wrong I rendered this in blender. I win
Awesome Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Video.
Raw
TOTAL DEMON DEATH
I have to ask, are we meant to feel sympathy for demons? Yeah, I get it, monsters who have to be exterminated, us or them, yadda yadda yadda. I understand demons are incapable of things like empathy and that cannot change, but at the same time, that kind of makes them pitiable imo. Because they literally can't understand such things on a personal level, even if it is understood on a conceptional level. That's all it is, a concept. Idk it just seems kind of sad.
The whole show is about emotions. Look at Frieren, most people will think she does not have any emotional feelings if they just watch a clip. But now you take that demon and place it next to her and she turns very human. Both demons and Frieren mindlessly research magic. Both Frieren and demons live long lives. Both are pretty lonely. Yet Frieren is human inside.
I guess the anime hasn't made it clear yet, but it is about Frieren becoming more in tune with her emotions, and how despite being similar to long living demons, she is different.
Congratulations you are human, we feel empathy and have the need to humanize everything. Look at people with wild animals, inanimate objects, and even scripted AI. There was an experiment where they told people to turn off a robot, everyone did it as expected. Then they added voice lines to the robot which begged them "No! Please do not switch me off! I am scared that I won't turn on again!" Half the people hesistated to turn off the robot and a quarter of them refused to turn off the robot. It wasn't alive but the doubt created by the words cause people to hestitate and even outright refuse. Yes, we feel but should we feel for every and anything even when it's most dangerous to us? That is the concept we do need to take into consideration.
They're displayed in a way the perfectly tricks the viewers at first, then crushes it. It's meant to show how easy it is for humans to be tricked simply by throwing out some words and some random movements.
Very minor spoiler, in a future scene a very minor character explicitly calls a demon pitiable after realizing the demon doesn’t understand.
When Grandma sounds racist but she lowkey got the experience