Just to clarify: I don't in the slightest think Tim's last note was faked, I'm aware of what he's capable of. A lot of production/mixing-mastering has been done on this version of the song in general. It's nice, but that last note sounds anything but natural *_anymore,_* not saying that it's fake. If I had to venture a guess, I think it's a growl (think I can still hear the air you get from a growl, plus the way he pushes into the note in the beginning of it is very reminiscent of a growl), combined possibly with something else (maybe even a chest G1?), or just heavily altered to sound the way it does. (The bass in the back sometimes sounds the same, but it blends better by being in the background.)
I agree that Tim's heavy note at the end is a little over processed, but I believe it is his chest voice, or mostly. I'll tell you why. After listening to Home Free since the Sing Off & watching hundreds (or more) of reactions, including analyses from voice coaches, bass singers etc... I believe that in the Sing Off version & the second version with Avi, Tim used a growl. And in this version Tim is using his chest voice. You can distinctly hear the difference between the two, especially when you are familiar with Tim's bass. His chest voice is much more gravelly. His growl is more smooth and you can hear more air coming through. It sounds more like a low vibration or rumble, if that makes any sense. That's mainly why I think it sounds so different. I noticed that he's done that with all the really low notes that are in the songs from this new album. Where as before he would usually use a growl. I'm no expert so I could very well be wrong... but that's what I believe. Also, their Sing Off version of this song had a Caribbean/Reggae style to it. So they leaned more into that style for this version. Hence the bright colors, upbeat vibe etc. They even had the colors of the Jamaican flag in one part. Thank you for the video.
Wow, you putting it like this that´s such a contradicton - a GROWL is smooth and a chest voice is what´s gravelly? Before this song I wouldn´t even thought that to be possible. O_O
I've seen them live 3 times and all 3 times they did this song as their "encore" song. And all three times I have heard it with Chance, but it was never THIS good. I really like the improvements
This song has always been a fan favorite. What a great remake of "Ring Of Fire". It was first done on the "Sing Off" in 2013 & then later with Avi Kaplan. The visuals reminds me of "Fishin' In The Dark"/"Boondocks" (you may want to check that one out). Chance is a nice addition to this version. Of course love Tim's lows & Adam's awesome vocal percussion. I think he sounds even better this time.
This really is a Ring of Fire of 5 amazing people. 😍This is so well done! 👏🏼Really a more modern version. Happy with Chance's part, where he sounded so cool. Another great upgrade. 💖And a flashy video with an ending that gives you a big smile 😉
I'm glad someone had the same thoughts as me about that last note from Tim. I loved this version more than their previous versions as a whole, but I find that note from Tim a strange choice that they had it so full and electronic sounding. I was fully expecting the typical growl note and instead got a thick electronic sounding chest note (I think). Still, it's a great version overall and nice reaction 👍
They did that production thing with chances bass part in mayday and I thought it totally unnecessary then too. It's the production choice I question....not the notes they sung. Would have been great without it.
Glad you said that about maybe it's overproduced. I felt the same with some parts, but not for the last note. That was the part I felt was pure and not overproduced. In fact, Tim really can sustain those deep notes long (and loud) during live shows, so it's very difficult to say what is being edited and what's not. He has amazing vocal fold closure in his low range, so it's hard to say. Anyway, I see what you're saying about the production of it, but I just kind of felt like it was less produced this time, at least with his last note. Just my amateur opinion. In fact, I kind of thought maybe they were going for something less produced "sounding" this time. HOWEVER, to add, I thought the background was too loud during Chance's part. I wanted to hear his verse louder compared to background vocal, but that's a personal preference because I really love Chance's tambour, so I may be biased. Thanks for reacting to the guys again.
I thought it was interesting when they brought in Chance as their baritone. In his previous group, he was the bass. In this video, that turns out to be a huge advantage because it frees up Tim to sing lead without sacrificing the bass part. That last note is interesting partly because he went so soft on the consonant that it came out as "pyre" instead of "fire." Usually, you substitute on a consonant in a fast section where the audience will barely even hear it. It really was an unusual ending.
That last note was a chest fry with extra air coming through it! I am a low bass ( g 0 ) on a good day in chest. In the sing off and the other recording it was a growl note. I respect what he can do! He is actually lower in chest than Geoff and most all of the other bassist in a cappella groups right now! First time listening to you! Good reaction! Low bass Kenneth
It’s still a cappella. It’s done in a reggae beat. Adam has some new sounds. There might be reverb but Tim has been going lower and lower the older he gets. He has a 5 octave range but maybe it’s closer to 6 now? Others will know more I’m sure.
I see what you mean, and I would argue that Tim's ending note on the original version is also highly edited. In both cases it's highly compressed and has some kind of filter to remove high frequencies and boost low frequencies. In this latest version it also seems like it's double layered. That being said, while the original was a growl, I think the new version might be chest fry.
kinda looks like editing both vocal and video, 2 takes, and they had a slight overlap which gave a glitch visual/audio effect. Knowing HF, it's intentional, lol. Definitely held that note longer than original version. I'm not an editor so have no idea if that's possible.
Yeah the last growl was highly edited you can tell, they made it louder and fuller, wider in your ears, so it doesn't sound human anymore. I liked version with Avi better, Chance is not a bass and sounds kinda weak in those money notes like E1, D2 and that "wild" C2 from Avi just hits different
Think of what WE KNOW!!! The original was the SingOff version (the 1st they performed it), a LIVE version that was brilliant! --- which I do prefer to the "studio" version (taking nothin away from Avi!). WE KNOW what they can do LIVE --- so they are "VERIFIED"!!!
NOT Fake Tim or edited…I’ve been at their concerts &, he’s CRAZY LOW…literally rattles your butt, makes my hair tingle…Totally NUTZ 😵💫😂‼️🔥❤️🔥💥‼️ Wouldn’t have believed it either, if I had experienced it ‼️😵💫‼️
I think what he's saying is that he's well aware of how low Tim can go and producing volume that low and that he very well could produce a chest note like that, but this one has a somewhat unnatural sound to it and feels overedited to the point where he could have just enhanced a reasonable low note. Of course we know what he's capable of and hope that's not the case but I too find this last note a strange choice seeing that it sounds so electronic.
Tim's voice is really truly low. But the live concerts is not exactly a parameter. Keep in mind that they have an audio engineer who boosts THE HELL out of the bass. That is what rattles your butt. Granted, Tim's voice is low and resonant enough to really grab your attention if you're just standing next to him in person
You wish you could sing like Tim. There may or may not be production to give the last note it's depth and clarity, but you can't hold his jock strap as a singer!
Just to clarify: I don't in the slightest think Tim's last note was faked, I'm aware of what he's capable of.
A lot of production/mixing-mastering has been done on this version of the song in general. It's nice, but that last note sounds anything but natural *_anymore,_* not saying that it's fake.
If I had to venture a guess, I think it's a growl (think I can still hear the air you get from a growl, plus the way he pushes into the note in the beginning of it is very reminiscent of a growl), combined possibly with something else (maybe even a chest G1?), or just heavily altered to sound the way it does.
(The bass in the back sometimes sounds the same, but it blends better by being in the background.)
I agree that Tim's heavy note at the end is a little over processed, but I believe it is his chest voice, or mostly. I'll tell you why. After listening to Home Free since the Sing Off & watching hundreds (or more) of reactions, including analyses from voice coaches, bass singers etc... I believe that in the Sing Off version & the second version with Avi, Tim used a growl. And in this version Tim is using his chest voice. You can distinctly hear the difference between the two, especially when you are familiar with Tim's bass. His chest voice is much more gravelly. His growl is more smooth and you can hear more air coming through. It sounds more like a low vibration or rumble, if that makes any sense. That's mainly why I think it sounds so different. I noticed that he's done that with all the really low notes that are in the songs from this new album. Where as before he would usually use a growl. I'm no expert so I could very well be wrong... but that's what I believe.
Also, their Sing Off version of this song had a Caribbean/Reggae style to it. So they leaned more into that style for this version. Hence the bright colors, upbeat vibe etc. They even had the colors of the Jamaican flag in one part.
Thank you for the video.
Wow, you putting it like this that´s such a contradicton - a GROWL is smooth and a chest voice is what´s gravelly? Before this song I wouldn´t even thought that to be possible. O_O
I've seen them live 3 times and all 3 times they did this song as their "encore" song. And all three times I have heard it with Chance, but it was never THIS good. I really like the improvements
This song has always been a fan favorite. What a great remake of "Ring Of Fire". It was first done on the "Sing Off" in 2013 & then later with Avi Kaplan. The visuals reminds me of "Fishin' In The Dark"/"Boondocks" (you may want to check that one out). Chance is a nice addition to this version. Of course love Tim's lows & Adam's awesome vocal percussion. I think he sounds even better this time.
I love this. Liked the nod to the original video with the pickups.
This really is a Ring of Fire of 5 amazing people. 😍This is so well done! 👏🏼Really a more modern version. Happy with Chance's part, where he sounded so cool. Another great upgrade. 💖And a flashy video with an ending that gives you a big smile 😉
They were re-releasing all the songs they performed on sing off. I couldnt wait for this
This is so very awesome! Love this version! Love your reaction! ♥
I'm glad someone had the same thoughts as me about that last note from Tim. I loved this version more than their previous versions as a whole, but I find that note from Tim a strange choice that they had it so full and electronic sounding. I was fully expecting the typical growl note and instead got a thick electronic sounding chest note (I think). Still, it's a great version overall and nice reaction 👍
^ this
They did that production thing with chances bass part in mayday and I thought it totally unnecessary then too. It's the production choice I question....not the notes they sung. Would have been great without it.
Glad you said that about maybe it's overproduced. I felt the same with some parts, but not for the last note. That was the part I felt was pure and not overproduced. In fact, Tim really can sustain those deep notes long (and loud) during live shows, so it's very difficult to say what is being edited and what's not. He has amazing vocal fold closure in his low range, so it's hard to say. Anyway, I see what you're saying about the production of it, but I just kind of felt like it was less produced this time, at least with his last note. Just my amateur opinion. In fact, I kind of thought maybe they were going for something less produced "sounding" this time. HOWEVER, to add, I thought the background was too loud during Chance's part. I wanted to hear his verse louder compared to background vocal, but that's a personal preference because I really love Chance's tambour, so I may be biased. Thanks for reacting to the guys again.
I thought it was interesting when they brought in Chance as their baritone. In his previous group, he was the bass. In this video, that turns out to be a huge advantage because it frees up Tim to sing lead without sacrificing the bass part. That last note is interesting partly because he went so soft on the consonant that it came out as "pyre" instead of "fire." Usually, you substitute on a consonant in a fast section where the audience will barely even hear it. It really was an unusual ending.
That last note was a chest fry with extra air coming through it! I am a low bass ( g 0 ) on a good day in chest. In the sing off and the other recording it was a growl note. I respect what he can do! He is actually lower in chest than Geoff and most all of the other bassist in a cappella groups right now! First time listening to you! Good reaction! Low bass Kenneth
Added comment is he hits a very similar note in his cover with Peter Hollins, misty mountain.
It’s still a cappella. It’s done in a reggae beat. Adam has some new sounds. There might be reverb but Tim has been going lower and lower the older he gets. He has a 5 octave range but maybe it’s closer to 6 now? Others will know more I’m sure.
I see what you mean, and I would argue that Tim's ending note on the original version is also highly edited. In both cases it's highly compressed and has some kind of filter to remove high frequencies and boost low frequencies. In this latest version it also seems like it's double layered.
That being said, while the original was a growl, I think the new version might be chest fry.
kinda looks like editing both vocal and video, 2 takes, and they had a slight overlap which gave a glitch visual/audio effect. Knowing HF, it's intentional, lol. Definitely held that note longer than original version. I'm not an editor so have no idea if that's possible.
Yeah the last growl was highly edited you can tell, they made it louder and fuller, wider in your ears, so it doesn't sound human anymore. I liked version with Avi better, Chance is not a bass and sounds kinda weak in those money notes like E1, D2 and that "wild" C2 from Avi just hits different
Think of what WE KNOW!!! The original was the SingOff version (the 1st they performed it), a LIVE version that was brilliant! --- which I do prefer to the "studio" version (taking nothin away from Avi!). WE KNOW what they can do LIVE --- so they are "VERIFIED"!!!
NOT Fake Tim or edited…I’ve been at their concerts &, he’s CRAZY LOW…literally rattles your butt, makes my hair tingle…Totally NUTZ 😵💫😂‼️🔥❤️🔥💥‼️ Wouldn’t have believed it either, if I had experienced it ‼️😵💫‼️
I think what he's saying is that he's well aware of how low Tim can go and producing volume that low and that he very well could produce a chest note like that, but this one has a somewhat unnatural sound to it and feels overedited to the point where he could have just enhanced a reasonable low note. Of course we know what he's capable of and hope that's not the case but I too find this last note a strange choice seeing that it sounds so electronic.
Tim's voice is really truly low. But the live concerts is not exactly a parameter. Keep in mind that they have an audio engineer who boosts THE HELL out of the bass. That is what rattles your butt.
Granted, Tim's voice is low and resonant enough to really grab your attention if you're just standing next to him in person
You wish you could sing like Tim. There may or may not be production to give the last note it's depth and clarity, but you can't hold his jock strap as a singer!
Doesn't everyone wish that..? You're reading wayyy too far into simple commentary/analysis/critique mate. Have a nice day!
First again.. hmmm