Ten Things Christians Wish Jesus Hadn't Taught (with author Dr. David Madison)
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2021
- Seth speaks with Dr. David Madison about his new book, and the last half of the show features all of Chapter Ten.
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Former pastors of christianity make the BEST athiests!!! I love love love these stories.
There are best atheists? Wow!!! I'm humbled. I guess, I'm a bottom eater atheist.
The message of Jesus: "I love you; don't make me hurt you."
A chip off the old block.
Horny to punish.. born sick n commanded to be wellll
Walter, I think I love you. May I use that?
@@Cheepchipsable BHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Great!
@@josephcollins6033 It seems rather obvious.
The more you study theology, the more problems and contradictions you find in religion as a a whole... Eventually, it all just falls apart. It did for me, anyways.
The same for me. Studying the Bible for years I bought it all. Then a few years ago all of a sudden it was if the veil was lifted and I realized how mythological it really is. That lead me to studying the history of the Bible and I was totally deconverted. I am free!
@@Beegee1952 Good for you! The quickest way to become an atheist is to READ your bible, lol! 🤣 Feels good being free of all that hate and fear, eh?
Like that dude said in the movie "Christine":
You can't polish a turd.
@Stirgid Lanathiel I agree with much of what you say. As a child and until my deconversion I was taught every word in the Bible was the literal truth. The definition of faith is, the belief in something for which there is no evidence. I need evidence and have found I have much more peace now than at any time in my life, even while recovering from losing a child.
@Stirgid Lanathiel the big problem is that believers have decided themselves which bits are literal, and which bits are not.... all based pretty much on what they want to believe, not on any instructions from the bible.
Seth does have the voice to fill the void on late night radio since Art Bell died. Thousands of over the road truckers waiting to be delivered!!
There are still lots of Art Bell sessions on UA-cam. Also I recently found Twilight Zone Radio which has been great 👍
"a recent survey revealed that only about a third of Americans have read the whole Bible" - that's obviously self reported. I'd be very surprised if even 3% of Americans have actually read the whole Bible. Maybe a third of Americans who regularly attend church have read the 4 books of the gospel in their entirety, but even that is probably pushing it.
I agree. I'm an amateur student of religion, and have had many interactions online and in person with believers. In most of these, I know their literature better than they do. When I bring up items from the old testament, they accuse me of cherry picking or taking things out of context. They will hardly ever concede a negative about it, even when it is an unequivocal statement or expression. I also know a great deal more about how and by whom the bibles of today were written... in other words most people converted emotionally and did not and do not study the bibles they have as books. Books are written by people and only by people. Why and how they were written is the exciting part.
😊 *Bill Maher said it best. Something like "The bible is like the iTunes terms of svc. Followers just scroll to the bottom without reading it, & click 'I agree'."* 😊
I've read the entire Bible, cover to cover. Twice, actually. I went into the task treating it as a novel. It's only moderately interesting when read that way.
The Old Testament is essentially a saga of the Jacob Isaacson and his family, with a whole lot of padding in the form of "prophecies".
The sequel is terrible! The writers seem to have no idea what the original says. They attempt to link its new protagonist to the characters of the Old Testament and fail miserably!
I'm a former lay minister and that 3% number is a bit high. Even those have not studied it in context, most are adept at picking a scripture out of context to support their biases, bigotry and political motivation.
Thus the current church has dropped any pretense of loving their neighbor and are joining ranks with the angry and violent *and they think this is what Jesus wants*
I used to read the. One-year bible every year. Ugh. Read through it all at least a dozen times.
Seth Andrew's voice is great, sure. But it's his brain that I adore! I think he's one of the greatest humans, ever!👍🥰💞✌
He has a preacher voice but what comes out of his mouth actually makes sense.
I think atheist are so much nicer, have greater empathy and has more morals than the religious...I think he's a great guy to. ✌️💙
@@TheAvsouto lol 👍
Seth's dialog is clear and concise. It's always a pleasure to listen to him.
Adore his brain, boy oh boy, do I have news for you. The brain is just like the cockpit of an aircraft while the soul is the pilot, please give it some thought...........Falun Dafa.
Seth's voice is smoother than butter. Lol
He could be BATMAN!!!! 🦇
James earl Jones, and Morgan Freeman come to mind.
And twice as healthy 😂
@bryan cooper ASMR?
Like the SNL skit, “ His voice is like buttah,”
"Paul went out mushroom hunting" is a great one
Made me LOL.
Part of the thesis of Dead Sea Scroll scholar John M. Allegro's controversial 1970 book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross: A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity Within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East ".
I had a similar experience as a member of the "music worship team" at a mega church in my city. I was one of the main bass players and was normally playing the three Sunday morning services. But I "checked out" of the belief system long before I actually left because I enjoyed playing the music and the people. Towards the end of my time, we were instructed to sit on the front row and "take notes" during the preaching [so it appeared that the music team was fully in to the mission]. And my note taking ended up being a "what's wrong with this belief".
I'm glad I'm no longer in that situation.
Good video. There are many things I wish the religion never taught,.....as the main doctrine became one of the main reasons why I no longer condoned it.
My go-to verses are the ones in Matthew 10 and Luke 14 where Jesus says to hate your family members, and your own life, and to consider them your enemies in deference to him. You know, like any other cult leader.
And your own life? I didn't know that part. Who knew I was a better christian before I got diagnosed with a bipolar disorder, got meds and went through therapy and stopped blaming myself for my problems with myself and took responsibility to grow into the person I want to be. Now, after 40 years I finally like my life. #godgofuckthyself
The culty-est one, wasn't Jesus it is in Acts. First, they all sold their personal property and lived in a commune. Acts 2:44. Then there was a guy, Ananias, who sold his house but didn't want to give Peter all the money. So Peter (or "God" I guess), killed Ananias and his wife because they lied about the money and tried to keep some from themselves. Acts 5:5. Real Charles Manson shit.
This is the stuff they don’t teach you in church or during Bible study. I’ve learned so much about the Bible and it’s history after I deconverted.
Me too
The preachers know all that stuff and avoid telling ppl for that very reason.
If you want to take a giant step.........................Falun Dafa
In support of the Gideons bible campaign, I have a collection of page markers and a highlighter. When travelling and staying in a hotel which provides a bible, I like highlight some of the more disconcerting verses. It is a fun way to spend the evening.
I like to pick up Bibles in the households I visit and I love making them cringe from the NT. It's a pleasure to wake the dumb from their slumber.
A quick true story.
I was passing a church where I used to pray and was giving it the middle finger 🖕
A lady saw me and was visible upset and was blessing herself repeatedly, I approached her and spoke these words
"I know they're not all Peado's, the rest of them are rapist's"
She fainted and I let her God break her fall, unfortunately, he must have been busy because as I turned to leave she hit the ground better hard.
Yes, do not buy anything from that fridge in the room, talk about gauging. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
I've been following Dr Madison's Yt channel for quite a long time. So glad to hear him getting a wider audience. Thank you, Seth.
Leviticus is emblematic of "Buffet Christianity" or "Salad Bar Christianity". Pick what you want, leave the rest for those people who like watercress.
"Cafeteria Christian."
I received a letter from the local Jehovah witless club earlier this week. Purportedly from a young girl called Saranne. Saranne had cherry picked a few verses to make her letter seem somewhat prophetic, as it described how bad the world is and how nation will rise against nation…etc. I responded, but am yet to hear from them. I don’t expect I ever will. Religion poisons everything…
@@AW-xj4un jehovah’s witless 🤣
WE all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
Leviticus is in the Jewish part of the bible. The Christian part actually starts at Romans. So start reading.
I know Jesus will return in my lifetime!…… Said billions of deceased Christians.
Exactly
Oh THATS a good one. Even the Rapture needs to be CHALLENGED. Where is he???? Same as JWs, its all bull smack.
Yeah I grew up around people that believed the world was going end in a few years - they have all died.
Funny as shit man..
@@rockpadstudios yep, I did, too. And the preacher I got stuck with for my dad's funeral (my evangelical half-brother's choice) claimed HE (Cheese-Us) would be here before the turn of the millennium! Right, that worked out well. 🙄 Then again, he was old enough that I'd wager his own world ended before then, so there is that part, I guess.
I do wonder, sometimes, if the consciousness hangs on at the beginning of cell death long enough for that kind of people to realize that they were wrong.
To my mom's credit, she read the entire Bible and acknowledged the stories about God being angry, vengeful, and petty. Unfortunately, she worshipped that version of God, and was angry, vengeful, and petty herself. :-\
I can feel that myself.
Always love to listen to your podcasts Seth. Nothing new but its nice to know Im not alone ;) (son of a vicar, child of a congregation and now staunch atheist. I read the **** book and it made no sense to me....AT ALL)
The problem with Bible Believers is that they actually believe that their precious book was written by God Himself????
They would read the title of this book then summarily burn it, had the chance the heretical author, preacher, wtf
Not at all. They don't and your sentence was simply too long. I'll explain:
_"The problem with Bible Believers is that they actually believe..."_
You see, many assume that it was just inspired and that's why so much is just the human brain derping on the magnificence of the godly god of awesome perfection. The problem is that neither of those beliefs or any other belief is anything else but interpretations of what people want to read (and cherry pick) in their favorite holy book. Not just the texts are contradicting, the gazillion interpretations are as well and no one can show theirs to be correct or any other to be false. The only ones with _any_ basis are the most fundamentalist of believers, who merely have one assumption: that a god exists. After that, might makes right and everyone else deserves to die, Romans1:20-28, Quran whatever verses talk of killing non believers and gay people.
The ones with ore peaceful interpretations have nothing that can't be refuted and rejected with a different interpretation - they have to somehow rationalize away the death wishes and demands of their god(s).
And that's all without asking any of them to show that a god exists or is even possible, which we should as soon as someone brings up a god. If they can't, we should reject everything they say their god is, wants, represents, etc. It doesn't matter what you or anyone believes if you or they can't show it to be both correct and relevant.
one of many problems!
We all need Our Father to bring us back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof?.............Falun Dafa
I love it when I hear a minister has deconverted. ♥️
What is Beethoven doing right now, decomposing. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
I have read each book of the bible at least once. That's why I'm an atheist.
Now there is a practice that is in plain English and explains most of the mysteries of creation..............Falun Dafa
When I was a Christian, reading the New Testament was pure despair fuel. I think in the back of my mind I hated him the entire time. I kept thinking to myself, where is the good news? Where is this love everyone is talking about?
Well, I can only offer you truth, nothing to do with love...........................Falun Dafa
Fantasy is always easier to live with than reality.
Seth you are wonderful , so many Christians get my sayings wrong. I’m a big fan, please continue to be honest about me.
Human sacrifice is cringe and also didn't work.. huh
Hi Jesus. Do hell really exists?
@@ChillAssTurtle and the manner of the sacrifice, being nailed to a male cross and impaled on it. That would be a three fold abomination to observant Jews back then: human sacrifice itself, leaving a person to hang upon a tree, and a man coupling with a male. Maybe the Romans did it differently in Judea to eliminate the penetration aspect but we have no evidence for it and even if they did it would still be a mockery of all-male between-the-legs intercourse.
@@edwardmiessner6502 yeah it's all absurd from bottom up
Jesus sir if you are real you are a messy bottom Jwamb
Makes me want to spend this Halloween/Samhain with my Pagan friends!
But leave it to Christian apologists to practice the art of constantly reinterpreting scripture to fit their agendas and to keep moving the goalposts as time goes on.
I'm a Christian theologian. Tell me what interpretation is fuelled by an agenda, and what that agenda is. I'm all ears.
I was raised in the Lutheran church and really didn't question much. When I went to college, there were several classes I was required to take and freshmen had the last choice of electives. One that I had available to me was a New Testament class. That class made me realize how different the stories in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were. I also learned the political context of the time the bible was written. I had always assumed that Matthew, Mark Luke and John were four of the 12 original disciples but only Matthew and John were. I also thought the books of the New Testament were written immediately after the crucifixion but it turns out they were written later, some much later. I was taught in church that the bible was the word of god but it turns out that it is only a few men's version of what happened. Why are there different miracles in each gospel?
_"Why are there different miracles in each gospel?"_ - Because it's all made up?
The gospels are writings edited in the 17th century from 16th century translations of eight thousand contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the first century by people who were illiterate !
@LuthAMF The concern is that the stories were not told by the men that were there at the time. In class, we did an example where one person was given a written story to read and relate to a second person who related it to the next person to the next and on to the 30th person. Each of us wrote what we recalled of the story. We then compared the stories to the original story. Over the course of 30 minutes and 30 retellings, the story changed considerably. Imagine how a story could change over a hundred years. Inconsistent stories bring into question the veracity of the stories. I was told that the scriptures were the Word of God but they are actually the words of men with an agenda to pursue. They have been edited through the years by other men with other agendas.
@LuthAMF Still with the personal attacks I see; how very christian of you. Your god must be so proud of you.
@LuthAMF I don’t respond to dictatorial demands, but here’s an idea; why don’t you tone down the vitriolic venom and ask politely - maybe even throw in a ‘please’ somewhere, and you might get a response.
In the meantime, I will add that there were numerous gospels circulating among early christians, of radically diverse beliefs, which led to the councils to establish ‘orthodoxy’ , after which it was a case of ‘history was written by the winners’ with their naively anthropomorphic view of god. The ‘winners’ then attempted to eradicate the the more esoteric writings, along with their christian adherents.
The fairly recent discoveries of esoteric gospels such as those of Philip, Thomas and the Gnostics illustrate other dimensions of the meaning of Jesus’s ministry and who knows how many writings are yet to be discovered.
I’m going to have to listen to this again. So good.
The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument.
*Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do:* He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6-7; 11:7-12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises-for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing- *Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome.* Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, *making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews.* (1 Cor.1:23)
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The end is near?
*The Bible’s New Testament contains a drumbeat of promises that Jesus is ready to return any day now, implying that it will happen so soon that it would be wise to keep it in mind when making any kind of life decision. But it didn’t happen.* The following is a sample of verses professing this theme:
Matt 10:23: [Jesus said to his disciples] *‘When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next;* ***for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes’.*** (They fled through the towns but the Son of Man never came)
Matt 16:28: [Jesus said to the disciples], *‘Truly, I say to you,* ***there are some standing here*** *who will not taste death* before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom’.
Mark 9:1: And he [Jesus] said to them [the disciples], *‘Truly, I say to you,* ***there are some standing here*** *who will not taste death* before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power’.
Mark 13:30: *[After detailing events up to end of world, Jesus says]* ‘Truly, I say to you, ***this generation will not pass away*** *before all these things take place’.*
Mark 14:62: And Jesus said ***[to the high priest - died 1st cent. AD]*** ‘You will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven’. (The high priest died and never saw the Son of Man)
Rom 13:12: The day is *at hand.*
1 Cor 7:29: The appointed time has grown very short; from now on, *let those who have wives live as though they had none.* (Funny thing to say if you didn’t think the end was imminent)
1 Cor 7:31: For the form of this world is *passing away.*
Phil 4:5: The Lord is *coming soon.*
1 Thess 4:15: *We who are alive, who are left* until the coming of the Lord.
Hebrews 1:2: *In these last days* he has spoken to us by a Son.
Hebrews 10:37: For yet a little while, and the coming one shall come and *shall not tarry.*
James 5:8: The coming of the Lord is *at hand.*
1 Peter 1:20: He [Christ] was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the *end of the times.*
1 Peter 4:7: The end of all things is *at hand.*
1 John 2:18: *It is the last hour;* and as you have heard that antichrist is coming.
Rev 1:1: The revelation of Jesus Christ (i.e., the end of the world)…to show to his servants what must *soon take place.*
Rev 3:11: [Jesus said] ‘I am *coming soon’.*
Rev 22:6: And the Lord…has sent his angel to show his servants what must *soon take place.*
Rev 22:20: [Jesus said] ‘Surely I am *coming soon’.*
*It is puzzling to understand why Christianity survived the failure of this prediction. It is not ambiguous.* This would be like a rich uncle who promises to give you $10,000 ‘very soon.’ Ten years pass and he still hasn’t given anything to you, but he still says he will do it very soon. Would you still believe that it will happen any day? No, you would realize that it is a false promise. *For some reason, Christians cannot comprehend that they have been scammed. Jesus is not coming back, not tomorrow, not next year, not ever. But they still think it will happen any day.*
www.kyroot.com/
*Watch* Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman on UA-cam
Google *"13x Jesus was wrong in the Bible - Life Lessons"*
Google *"End Times - Evil Bible .com"*
Google *"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"*
Google *"Resurrection - Fact or Myth - Omission Report"*
Google *"What’s Missing from Codex Sinaiticus, the Oldest New Testament? - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
Google *"The “Strange” Ending of the Gospel of Mark and Why It Makes All the Difference - Biblical Archaeology Society"*
Google *"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
Google *"Why Jesus? Nontract (August 1999) - Freedom From Religion Foundation"*
Google *"272: JESUS’S 5200 AUTHENTIC WORDS - zingcreed"*
Google *"43: IS THE FOURTH GOSPEL FICTION? - zingcreed"*
Google *"Jesus Predicted a First Century Return Which Did Not Occur - by Alex Beyman - Medium"*
Google *"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
"When we say…Jesus Christ…was produced without sexual union, and was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended to heaven, ***we propound nothing new or different*** *from what you believe regarding those whom you call Sons of God. [In fact]…if anybody objects that [Jesus] was crucified, this is in* ***common*** *with the sons of Zeus (as you call them) who suffered, as previously listed [he listed Dionysus, Hercules, and Asclepius].* Since their fatal sufferings are all narrated as not similar but different, so his unique passion should not seem to be any worse."
*Note how Justin (Martyr) is less of a fool than modern Christian apologists. He admits that differences don’t matter.* Since each and every one of the suffering and dying gods are slain by different means, one cannot argue the mytheme requires exactly the same means of death. “But Osiris can’t have inspired the Jesus myth because Osiris wasn’t nailed to a cross” is a stupid argument. The mytheme is simply death. Being killed. Suffering and dying. The exact mode of death can vary freely. It makes no difference to the existence and influence of the mytheme. It’s simply the particular instantiation of a generic abstraction. *And Justin’s argument (that Satan invented these fake religions to confuse people) entails Justin agreed the mytheme existed: indeed, it was demonically promulgated, multiple times. Intentionally.*
*Likewise, Justin notices the mytheme is not virgin birth, but sexless conception. Of which many examples had already been popularized in pagan mythology (there just happens to also have been examples of actual virgin born gods as well). And by his argument (that the Devil was deliberately emulating the Jesus mytheme, in advance), Justin clearly accepted the same principle for “rising again” after death:* the particular exact metaphysics of the resurrection could, like the exact method of death or conception, vary freely. The mytheme consists solely of the abstraction: returning to life. Somehow. Some way. We will say bodily, at the very least. But what sort of body (the same one, a new one, a mortal one, an immortal one), didn’t matter. *If it had, Justin would have made the argument that “those gods” weren’t really resurrected. But that argument, never occurs to him. Nor did it to any other apologist of the first three centuries.*
*Ancient Christians well knew there was nothing new about their dying-and-rising god. Not in respect to the mytheme.* Their claims were solely that his particular instantiation of it was better, and the only one that actually happened. *They didn’t make up the stupid modern arguments that dying-and-rising god myths didn’t exist or weren’t part of a common mytheme everyone knew about. For example, in the same century, Tertullian, in Prescription against Heretics 40, makes exactly the same argument as Justin. Funny that. They had better access to the evidence than we do. They knew what was really and widely the case. We should listen to them.*
Google *"Dying-and-Rising Gods: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"*
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Google *"Ehrman Errs: Yes, Bart, There Were Dying & Rising Gods - atheologica"*
Watch *"Dying & Rising Gods: A Response to William Lane Craig"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
Watch *"Asclepius: The Pre-Christian Healer & Savior"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica
Google *"Virgin Birth: It's Pagan, Guys. Get Over It. • Richard Carrier"*
Google *"5 Pagan Parallels to Jesus That Actually Aren’t Bullshit - Atheomedy"*
Google *"Christian Apologetics: The Art of Deceit - Atheomedy"*
Google *"Defending the Resurrection: It’s Easy if You Lie! - Atheomedy"*
Google *"Majority of Scholars agree: The Gospels were not written by Eyewitnesses - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
A good site written by an actual Biblical scholar.
Google *"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei"*
Google *"How do we know that the biblical writers were* ***not*** *writing history? -- by Dr Steven DiMattei"*
Also:
Google *"How Did The Gospel Writers Know? - The Doston Jones Blog"*
Google *"Yes, the Four Gospels Were Originally Anonymous: Part 1 - The Doston Jones Blog"*
Google *"Gospels Not Written By Matthew, Mark, Luke or John - The Church Of Truth"*
The Father is the one and yourself that can put you on the correct path home to heaven. Now it is the time when you usually say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof?.............Falun Dafa
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Deuteronomy 18:22
“If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed.”
Makes one think god was warning the masses about a false prophet who proclaimed himself the son of god, huh? How can you prophesies that those currently living won’t die before the end times, yet all those have been dead for 2,000 years, and still be considered relevant? God himself warned against this specifically. Yet here we are. If there really was a god, Christian’s would be in big trouble…
@@jeffforsythe9514
Heaven is made immoral by the mere existence of hell.
God was created by mankind not the other way around
The evidence does seem to suggest that... without exception. The only evidence for any god being an exception are thinking errors and fallacies, so there's not even a reason to seriously consider any god until there's reasonable evidence that one is possible to begin with. "Oh, you're so close minded!" Au contraire(I probably spelled that wrong), my mind is very open to reasonable possibilities, that's why it's filled with good ideas and I just rather spend my time on that than on random asserted fantasies that have nothing but thinking errors and fallacies to back them up.
I will give you one more guess. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
This is very interesting and entertaining. Thank you.
My ex-wife is a photographer. She spent decades studying darkroom techniques,and then everything went digital. I always think of her when I think of Atheists with a PhD in Theology. I didn't get a degree,but I can sympathize. They are the most dangerous of opponents to fanatics.
Forget about them and focus on you. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
In conversations I have had with devout christian believers who believe in a second coming of Jesus, I have for many years cited the fact that this second coming is long , long overdue by 1900 + years !
Revelation chapter 22 sums up his promises where he tells thru this angel to John of patmos that " I am coming SOON ( quickly ) " and repeats it three times in the chapter ! He also states in verse 10 that " the time is near when all this will happen " ! Referring again to the end of the AGE and his fathers celestial kingdom coming to earth !
Since None of this has happened as promised the question remains as to why anyone continues to put any weight or credibility to this profoundly overdue second coming ! ?
A lot of Christians think our understanding of time is very different from Christ's. When I bring up the points you've made here, that seems to be their go to answer. How do you argue with that?
@@T.Rex33 Perhaps use the “some of you will not be dead before the kingdom comes “ quote from Jesus (sorry I paraphrase and don’t know the Bible verse). So with the best will would that not mean the kingdom and Jesus return should have been within 40-80 years after the supposed saying. This gets you away from any odd explanations of “time” that a believer may use (such as “days” in Genesis etc)
Somebody made it up I suspect. WE all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
Since leaving the faith I am infinitely more happy! The only fly in the ointment is the increasingly insane, aggressive and angry behavior of these right wing Christians pushing their theocracy.
Well, just ignore them. The two books were simply trying to show us that being good is it's own reward. The first book was very strict because our minds were not very sophisticated then and fear was a very good way to keep our emotions from getting out of hand. And it made us think. When our minds became more sophisticated, Jesus came with a much kinder, gentler Way. And now the final chapter.......................Falun Dafa(The Great Way).
When I was doing discipleship I told my mentor I had read Revelations, she was impressed. It wasn't easy, it was confusing, but just read it! I think she thought it had to be read and explained to us all. It was weird.
It shouldn't have impressed her - it's Revelation; not Revelations.😉
I know all about Revelations and so can you...................Falun Dafa
I love getting Christian ads - I make sure I “watch” them so the Atheist channel I’m watching earns money from church organisation.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog I just let it run so the advertiser pays up, and the channel earns money.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog A sense of humor helps.
I don't even watch TV that much anymore. I watch You Tube that's why I pay for no commercials. It's worth it.
You want great entertainment? Watch televangelist channel with sound muted and make up your own script.
Thanks for the heads-up. I didn't know that it affects the income. Peace and Love dear friend Stay Safe!
You know what is going to happen. 2050 will come and go just like all the other years before it, Jesus will not have returned, but 42% will think that he will return before 2100.
Some preachers leave the faith because of all the contradictions. Other preachers are aware of the contradictions but remain as they don't want to give up the lucrative salary. I wonder what the percentages are.
I bet they are to the point they are trapped since they can't easily start over.
it has many facettes, the money tax free sure but its also the network and the influence/power you hold over others
Plus it's a really easy job.
Run a few platitudes past your congregation on Sunday. Job done. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
Rest of the week is yours.
Woo hoo 🥳
"Money for nothing and your chicks for free"
-Mark Knopfler-Dire Straits
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A friend of mine was a minister of a major Protestant church, his pension was $110 a month, when he finally died at 93.
@@sidstovell2177 Fair enough but I take it he wasn't a tv evangelist or mega church preacher.
About that second coming thingy, didn't he rise from the dead after 3 days in the tomb? He lived, he died and then he rose from the dead again - seems he's been there and done that already. What are we waiting for?
The second coming was supposed to be about the Son of Man coming within the lifetime of the disciples. Didn't happen.
The following quote from Stephen L. Harris, Professor Emeritus of Humanities and Religious Studies at California State University- Sacramento, completes this point with a devastating argument.
*Jesus did not accomplish what Israel’s prophets said the Messiah was commissioned to do:* He did not deliver the covenant people from their Gentile enemies, reassemble those scattered in the Diaspora, restore the Davidic kingdom, or establish universal peace (cf.Isa. 9:6-7; 11:7-12:16, etc.). Instead of freeing Jews from oppressors and thereby fulfilling God’s ancient promises-for land, nationhood, kingship, and blessing- *Jesus died a “shameful” death, defeated by the very political powers the Messiah was prophesied to overcome.* Indeed, the Hebrew prophets did not foresee that Israel’s savior would be executed as a common criminal by Gentiles, *making Jesus’ crucifixion a “stumbling block” to scripturally literate Jews.* (1 Cor.1:23)
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The end is near?
*The Bible’s New Testament contains a drumbeat of promises that Jesus is ready to return any day now, implying that it will happen so soon that it would be wise to keep it in mind when making any kind of life decision. But it didn’t happen.* The following is a sample of verses professing this theme:
Matt 10:23: [Jesus said to his disciples] *‘When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next;* ***for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes’.*** (They fled through the towns but the Son of Man never came)
Matt 16:28: [Jesus said to the disciples], *‘Truly, I say to you,* ***there are some standing here*** *who will not taste death* before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom’.
Mark 9:1: And he [Jesus] said to them [the disciples], *‘Truly, I say to you,* ***there are some standing here*** *who will not taste death* before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power’.
Mark 13:30: *[After detailing events up to end of world, Jesus says]* ‘Truly, I say to you, ***this generation will not pass away*** *before all these things take place’.*
Mark 14:62: And Jesus said ***[to the high priest - died 1st cent. AD]*** ‘You will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven’. (The high priest died and never saw the Son of Man)
Rom 13:12: The day is *at hand.*
1 Cor 7:29: The appointed time has grown very short; from now on, *let those who have wives live as though they had none.* (Funny thing to say if you didn’t think the end was imminent)
1 Cor 7:31: For the form of this world is *passing away.*
Phil 4:5: The Lord is *coming soon.*
1 Thess 4:15: *We who are alive, who are left* until the coming of the Lord.
Hebrews 1:2: *In these last days* he has spoken to us by a Son.
Hebrews 10:37: For yet a little while, and the coming one shall come and *shall not tarry.*
James 5:8: The coming of the Lord is *at hand.*
1 Peter 1:20: He [Christ] was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the *end of the times.*
1 Peter 4:7: The end of all things is *at hand.*
1 John 2:18: *It is the last hour;* and as you have heard that antichrist is coming.
Rev 1:1: The revelation of Jesus Christ (i.e., the end of the world)…to show to his servants what must *soon take place.*
Rev 3:11: [Jesus said] ‘I am *coming soon’.*
Rev 22:6: And the Lord…has sent his angel to show his servants what must *soon take place.*
Rev 22:20: [Jesus said] ‘Surely I am *coming soon’.*
*It is puzzling to understand why Christianity survived the failure of this prediction. It is not ambiguous.* This would be like a rich uncle who promises to give you $10,000 ‘very soon.’ Ten years pass and he still hasn’t given anything to you, but he still says he will do it very soon. Would you still believe that it will happen any day? No, you would realize that it is a false promise. *For some reason, Christians cannot comprehend that they have been scammed. Jesus is not coming back, not tomorrow, not next year, not ever. But they still think it will happen any day.*
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@@LM-jz9vh if you do some research into Roman crucifixion, you'll find out it was the most shameful method of execution the Romans could imagine, and why, since they were familiar with impalement.
We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
@@LM-jz9vh Harris's idea that Jesus didn't accomplish what the prophets said He would, is deliberately evasive of Christian theology. So he is essentially lying.
This is great. It’s totally absurd that an obscure Jewish messianic cult became the world’s largest religion.
It just happened to coincide with the Roman Empire needing a religion to double its earthly power.
We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
Not at all. It's the only doctrine which provides salvation.
God in the clouds? Isn’t he supposed to be outside of space and time?
Funny how god retreats every time humans are able to explore the earth, atmosphere, and universe. From walking in the Garden of Eden to outside of space and time.
i wonder if we manage to explore the totality of the universe and found the place(?wtf?) outside space and time and find no god there, i wonder where god gonna find a gap to insert himself in... apologists butts? jesus appeared in dogs butts so...🤔😑
the goalpost moves the further humans go ^^
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog and viola! star wars!
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog if we can master how to create magnetic forces through technology. we may be able to use "the force"....... but only on iron and some easily magnetized materials.
God progressively moved from being tangible (in a crowd at the inauguration of Saul, to in a cloud at the tabernacle with Moses, to far far away as the Israelites moved into the land of milk and honey, to no where to be seen or heard after the fall of the second temple).
Love you Keep up your work
Oooh please have Dr Richard Carrier back on when you can!
The Thor comic book starts out with Thor banished to earth by Odin. He shares his existence with a mortal Dr. Blake(?). When that writer runs out of material the next writer has Odin forgive Thor, and Thor spends several years having adventures with space aliens. Then when that writer runs out of gas the next writer puts Thor back in Asgard with the wife and kids. The Bible is an iron age comic book collection.
To be fair about it, it doesn’t matter how the bible phrases things, it’s believers interpret it to say whatever they want.
There is a new practice that explains many of the mysteries of creation............Falun Dafa
When Christians start to doubt or question religion, the bible and their own god, they start becoming smarter by the day. Lucky me I was born super smart!
Thank you Seth, for providing a forum for those on the way out. This guy was an atheist before it was cool, impressive.
I would rather be warm than cool. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
This is WONDERFUL!! And, Dr. Madison, thank you for your BALLS, great sir!
I could make a list of all the contrived,cop-out verses fundagelicals use to avoid contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible,especially the new testament,and to fit there pre-concluded narrative.After being an evangelical for 35 years or so,I've heard it all. 1)Jesus said THIS generation would not pass away before his return? What he really meant was THAT generation-the one who would see all the signs-would not pass away. 2)Why hasn't Jesus come back yet? Well,don't you know that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord? The "some standing here" statement Jesus made? He was speaking of the Transfiguration 6 days later.3) Paul saying that "we"(including himself)will be caught up soon? Don't you know that Paul was using the "editorial "we"-to identify with his audience? What is the missing ingredient that believers for the last 2,000 years have missed regarding the timing of the Lord's arrival? Why it's the event of Israel becoming a nation again in 1948.That's how you know you are living in the "last hour." I could go on and on with their artificial and contrived "answers." But I better stop now.I feel like I'm gonna puke.
After a few dozen excuses, it gets to the point where they just ought to admit that their religion is full of sh*t
@@GuitarDog_atx These Christian apologists would probably get sick and tired of being on the defence all the time if it wasn't for the money they are making,preaching to the choir and seeing practically no new converts coming in."My guard stood hard when abstract threats,to nobel to neglect, *deceived me into thinking,I had something to protect*-Dylan.
Everyone should criticize Mother Teresa; she was a horrible human being. Such a pity there is no hell. Although, if the god of the bible really exists, only the worst people will be going to heaven.
Can you imagine being in “heaven” with evangelicals policing the length of men’s togas? Horrible!
If the word evil should by applied to anyone it’s her.
@@muuuune Imaging ending up in Heaven alongside Kenneth Copeland😱
Wow, are you lost. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
Heaven and hell are not places. They are experiences resulting from the presence of God. If you are in Christ, the presence of God is heaven. If you are not in Christ, the presence of God is hell. Most people are uncomfortable in church. Imagine how uncomfortable it will to be in God's direct presence for eternity if you are not in Christ.
I just want to point out that the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were NOT written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I could be mistaken, but I felt that the video was, at best, unclear about this, and at worst, implied (or could be perceived to imply) in some areas that they were.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were written DECADES after Jesus supposedly lived, by UNKNOWN authors, and were also NOT eyewitness accounts. The individual authorships of each of these books were attributed to them by the church as a matter of tradition, not fact, and many bibles state this in a sort of preface at the beginning of each gospel.
In fact, there are NO known eyewitness accounts of Jesus by ANYONE. Not that an eyewitness account would make the story true (it is, after all, one of the least reliable forms of testimony), but the fact that there exists NONE of even the LEAST reliable evidence paints a rather dubious picture. The final passage of Seth's reading of chapter 10 (regarding the gospels not being a biography of Jesus), could be an allusion to this, but I thought I would make it clear for everyone, just in case. Other than that, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Congrats on yet another interesting segment, Seth.
Never mind John and Peter and Robert or Henry, we all need Our Father to bring us home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof?.............Falun Dafa
Regardless the doctorates or the letters held by such writers, "true believers" will scoff and dismiss their truths, and deem them proof Satan's power... any decent aetheist will tell you!, "Don't hold your breath.". Arguing with an apocalyptic Christian is like attempting to explain calculus to a housecat. Sure, they'll probably seem like they're paying attention, for a few moments, then they'll lick themselves and turn away. No offense to housecats.
We all need the Father to bring us back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof?.............Falun Dafa
I would much rather pick cherries than waste time cherry-picking the buy bull for the best parts. There are so many wonderful books that don’t need any effort to read, understand , and enjoy to the fullest.
Cherries are great! The big sweet ones anyway. I'm not much of a cake or desert person so I don't know which go into those, but I won't say no to either :) AAAAAAANNNND I'm growing cherry trees because they're awesome! :D I'm making large bonsais out of them and I want to try grafting so they bloom sooner. Without that I'd have to wait about 10 years for blossom and cherries. I'm patient and I can buy cherries, but... BLOSSOM! BEES! :D
I eagerly await the arrival of my paperback copy!
Why people think that a guy like jesus will include them in the "worth saving" category? This is my favorite argument about freedom fighters. Why people think that freedom fighters fighting for others freedom?
The "spiritual kingdom" apologetic has been thoroughly successful, I doubt you could generate any doubt in a Christian's mind with the apocalyptic stuff in the Gospels.
The whole foundation of blood sacrifice, to me, is still one of the most confounding elements of how this ideology has stayed so popular.
The 'blood' is simply a synecdoche for "death [to self]". So it's not the blood per se, but what the blood represents.
The death of Christ was not a martyr's death, but God proving that He would never hold the law (the 10 commandments etc) over anyone who trusts in Him.
You see, Christ was sent to the Jews because they were the custodians of the law of Moses/God, which law He (Christ) actually gave to Moses.
So when Christ declared in faith that He was the Son of God and thus equal with God and thus God (for no-one but God is equal with God), He broke the first commandment, and He did so knowing the Jews who were the custodians of the law, would kill Him for making such a claim.
Thus He showed what the apostle Paul later taught, viz, the law is not of faith (see Gal 3:12).
So the lesson in this is that we are not to try to please God by our own works of righteousness (which is in essence to attempt to keep the 10 commandments) but are to lay that all aside and simply behold Him who proved that those who trust in Him are not under the law anymore and are thus free from condemnation.
Thus it is written: "There is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1).
I prefer my sacred cow medium well, thank you.
Wow, "Challenging the Sacred"... caught that for the first time. lol
Nothing made me more of an atheist than when I actually read through the whole Bible lol
The Jewish Bible ends in about 150 years.
The 25 years before my retirement I belonged to Seattle Unity. I really enjoy a different perspective. When I had more time to read and study I did start to question. In 2020 my husband and I went to the Holy Land and then more study. Finally I decided that Jesus was probably a gifted Jewish Rabbi. Over the years verses like the Beatitudes gave many people hope and guidance.
We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
Jesus is like the dad that says "I'ma go grab milk, I'll be right back" and just never shows back up
Yeah, when somebody says, "I'll be right back", and doesn't show up after 2,000 years, you've got to start thinking that maybe you've been lied to.
He moves in mysterious ways - every Christians get out of jail fee card for terrible things that happen to human beings.
i have found that if I read the bible as a comedy, it makes a lot more sense, and us funny as hell to boot.
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I see it as a game of telephone/fanfiction😂
The two books were simply trying to show us that being good is it's own reward. The first book was very strict because our minds were not very sophisticated then and fear was a very good way to keep our emotions from getting out of hand. And it made us think. When our minds became more sophisticated, Jesus came with a much kinder, gentler Way. And now the final chapter.......................Falun Dafa(The Great Way).
Jesus was a bronze age David Copperfield. If Jesus was alive today he would have a Las Vegas show.
Naw.. He's Tony Robbins (o;
There's a book i can't wait to get.
And here it is I hope....Falun Gong.
Just ordered the paperback. If Dr. Madison ever commissions Seth to do the Audible, I‘ll get that, too.
I had a priest who wasn't afraid to tell Jesus' awful teachings . Which is why I left the Catholic Church and Christianity.
Silly, the two books were simply trying to show us that being good is it's own reward. The first book was very strict because our minds were not very sophisticated then and fear was a very good way to keep our emotions from getting out of hand. When our minds became more sophisticated, Jesus came with a much kinder, gentler Way. And now the final chapter.......................Falun Dafa(The Great Way).
Hailz to Seth 🤘
Ah, Xtians don't care about those ten things, they just ignore them -- or more likely never heard of them on account of they don't actually read the bible.
"I don't believe that is what he meant or what god is like. I believe in a kind and loving god who."
I'm not saying they admit that their god is evil; they do that for me.
I have always wondered why Jesus / god never wrote his own book.
Learning to write is hard?? I've often wondered the same thing - it sure would clear up a lot things.
Does "assencion" into heaven = floating off the planet - into SPACE, (!!) without a SPACESUIT ?? 😲😆😆😆
Life asks for at least a bit of hypocrisy, and a bit of honesty - carefully balanced. It's a hard road to travel. I'm glad for the atheists who came from devotion - like anti-war soldiers. "Truth" from "scripture" is empty. Kindness and compassion, from our natural hearts, do. Give it , and you'll get it back with interest.
4:33 I wrote a poem the other day called "Crickets". it's about this exact thing
Seth. I think this crazy religion should be called Paulism.
The two books were simply trying to show us that being good is it's own reward. The first book was very strict because our minds were not very sophisticated then and fear was a very good way to keep our emotions from getting out of hand. And it made us think. When our minds became more sophisticated, Jesus came with a much kinder, gentler Way. And now the final chapter.......................Falun Dafa(The Great Way).
You CAN try concealer on in store. They do the swipe test on your hand.
Time stamp 25:17 Chapter 10
It's been 2,000 years and it took how long for God to speak up since the beginning of things? As Seth would ask, are you shitting me? I've got questions.
Lol at first I thought you meant Seth as in Adam and Eve’s boy from Genesis but then remembered Me Andrews shares the same name
There is a time for everything and the time has come. We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 aren't you assuming a god?
@@scapegoatiscariot2767 The two books were simply trying to show us that being good is it's own reward. The first book was very strict because our minds were not very sophisticated then and fear was a very good way to keep our emotions from getting out of hand. And it made us think. When our minds became more sophisticated, Jesus came with a much kinder, gentler Way. And now the final chapter.......................Falun Dafa(The Great Way).
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The first and second books were not books until men said they were books. Before that they were just writings.
I don't see why honest people would seek to control the populations in motions through fear. That doesn't register.
When Jesus came he did not abolish slavery. That's one evidence that he wasn't playing with the full deck. The next one was that he had a fine opportunity to hit something scientific did on the head but instead he said that not washing your hands before you eat did not defile the person. Not only could it defile you, it could kill you.
The Bible fails every claim it's made that can be tested scientifically. It's over, science has revealed the Bible to be the fairytale it is.
Seth what do you believe having been part of both sides? And have you traveled to other countries where other beliefs exists
Re. Egypt, or it could be that Joseph had some relatives in Alexandria where they could stay, far away from Herod.
I often wonder, had it not been for the Roman and Spanish inquisitions would the Christian god have gone the way of the Greek, Roman and other gods of myth. A thought just now came to me though. Buddhism has been around a lot longer than Christianity and I don't think they had any type of forced compliance, and Muslims, well they seem to be in a perpetual state of forced compliance. Then again, Buddhism seems to me to be more of a philosophy than a religion. In my youth when I was wandering, un-religiously, I was wont to weave Native American teachings together with Taoism and now that I'm a full blown Atheist I still find comfort in their views of our relationship with nature. It doesn't matter if you believe some super being made us or we evolved from a primordial ooze the one fact in both of these is that we came from the earth and we used to return to the earth. Now we just mummify inside an air tight coffin inside a big concrete box. My fervent wish upon my death is that I become a big pile of bear shit. 🤣🤣😁😎
Suggestion…in the hotel room, take the bible out and write at the top of Genesis just before the opening sentence…..”once upon a time, in a fictional land, long ago, in a galaxy far, far away…”. Either do that, or annotate or use a highlighter on the passages with genocide, slavery etc.
'God did it' covers all magic, supernatural claims.
I've read the Bible twice, cover to cover. I won't ever do it again! Too much of it is just pointless. I couldn't make it through the rules laying out how priests should dress and construct tents... why is this in the Christian Bible? Isn't it only for Jews? And, the letters of Saul/Paul. Yeesh!
@LuthAMF troll.
I've read the KJV a few times, as well as a Paraphrase from 1969. I did it so that I could have discussions about things in the bible with Christians.
As it turns out, Christians don't read the bible. A Pew study indicates that fewer than 7% of American Christians have read the bible.
After I'd called out someone for not reading the bible, this self-declared "good Christian" told me, "I don't need to READ it, when I BELIEVE it."
That makes absolutely NO sense at all.
Still, I'm glad that I read it, because I know the BS that exists in the pages.
@LuthAMF And...? I'm waiting for the punchline.
@@tos100returns I look at it as a boring Saga of the family of Abraham, with a bunch of non-sequiturs thrown in as padding.
Clearly the editors have never read it either!
I must have been a glutton for punishment. I've read six different translations of the Bible cover to cover. I guess that's one of the reasons I'm a hardcore atheist now, lol.
This guy has a lot of info. Keep makin and deleting comments. Wow. Love this guy!
The sarcasm is strong with this one.
My Mom kinda likes Jesus' character a lot, this is the one and only reason why I tolerate him. A man about who we know so little or nothing at all, even if he existed. So, all these lies may justify him, like, "He might not actually said that or this.." But hell, how I hate to justify myths!
They don't know those parts where it was said that people listening to Yeshua himself would still be alive.
They deny it until you cite chapter and verse, and then they ghost, dropping the conversion.
It's especially instructive to bring it up against those who cite fulfilled prophecies as proof for their religion.
This might be the best way to get rid of xtian proselytizers...
i'm starting to think that if i had to choose a religion it would be shinto, no gods, no threats or promises. it's ancestor based, which while it might be as shakey as any ghost ideas, i think it makes more sense to pray to your ancestors than a god (who is basically a psycho). when i was there and visited shrines it felt totally okay, even though i'm "hard atheist", what it teaches essentially is respect for each other, respect for family (the ancestors) and it's mutual respect, not some kind of sycophancy. and i think it might partly be why the japanese have a reputation for honesty and helpfullness, they have no gods to forgive their crimes....
What if your ancestors were arseholes that you'd never choose to be friends with under normal circumstances? Would you still have to worship them?
Starts @5:08 but really @25:35
Medieval Christians were baffled by Jesus' statement that someone alive at the time would witness the second coming. The only solution they could think of was that there must be someone still alive from the time of Jesus --- someone who was effectively immortal. Thus arose the legend of the "Wandering Jew" --- a man, who would naturally have to be a Jew, who had been present when Jesus said it and was condemned by a curse to wander the Earth until the End Times. He was said to be a shoemaker. There are hints of this legend as early as the seventh century, but the earliest clear mention is in an Italian chronicle in AD 1225, after which the idea became extremely popular. People claiming to either being or having met the Wandering Jew popped up regularly throughout the Christian world, including one in Harts Corners, New Jersey in 1868. The character is the subject of many fictional treatments, the best known of which is the huge and now unreadable novel "Le Juif errant" written by the popular French novelist Eugène Sue.
I only accept He Man as a Master of the Universe
Going to Catholic school the nuns taught a lot of hate and fear.
13:46 - John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son..." (an innocent third party) to be tortured to death to satisfy his sadistic lust for suffering...but only _after_ teaching Mankind how to properly _grovel!_ As for _giving_ his son, God got Jesus _back_ as soon as the earthly body died! Thus, neither God _nor_ Mankind sacrificed _anything,_ and Jesus went straight to Heaven! God _could have_ simply forgiven Mankind for our sins, if he _loved_ us so much, but he demanded bloodshed! God of Wrath...not Love!
23:44 - If _any_ part of the Bible is not _literally_ true, then it could very well be that _none_ of it is! As soon as one invokes creative reverse-engineering, interpretation, metaphor, and apologetics...especially when trying to explain away _demonstrable_ falsehoods...then one gives up the argument that it's the inerrant (or even divinely inspired) Word of God.
Jesus is MIA. Yup-yup. It's as though... He's never coming back or something. LOL 🤣
i would say jesus is more MII, missing in inaction
@@steveswangler6373 Or just plainly never existed and isn't GAWD's baby boy, lol
Yeah, where the hell is he?
@@debranelson1987 In the pantry. Second shelf, behind the corn flakes. LOL
@@2ahdcat Oh yes of course....how silly of me not to look there!
I suspect that many Christians themselves sense that suffering-especially when it arrives calamitously in their own lives-damages their faith in God’s goodness. But the resurrection stories probably are naively accepted because the faithful have been conditioned to tolerate the high levels of fantasy and magical thinking in the gospels. They may stumble a bit if they read Matthew’s story about a lot of dead people walking out of their tombs on Easter morning, but the acclamation, “He is risen!” is usually not diminished. The apostle Paul seems to have locked in this belief: “…if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” (Romans 10:9)
But devout Christians are not usually prepared to face another reality: that the teachings of Jesus himself diminish the value of the gospels. In fact, he taught a lot of things that most Christians don’t believe at all, and blatantly ignore. On so many issues they don’t want to know what Jesus would do. Why is it that so many of the devout just don’t notice that their holy hero, supposedly their Lord and Savior, doesn’t measure up as a great moral teacher?
It’s not such a mystery after all. Here are a couple of hard facts about Christian piety:
Fact Number 1: For centuries the church has promoted an idealized Jesus. We can see Jesus depicted in great art and stained glass windows. In Handel’s Messiah we find the words of Isaiah 9:6 applied to Jesus, For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given… And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. When priests and preachers speak about Jesus from the pulpit, the folks in the pews usually hear positive, feel-good verses from the gospels.
Fact Number 2: most Christians don’t read the Bible very much. One research article published in 2017 was titled, Americans Are Fond of the Bible, Don’t Actually Read It. Check out the chart at the link. We rarely-if ever-hear Christians say, “Tonight I’m going home to read the gospel of Mark straight through.” There are too many other options: TV, movies, sports.
So, the many negatives about Jesus go unnoticed, undiscovered. In my new book, Ten Things Christians Wish Jesus Hadn’t Taught: And Other Reasons for Questioning His Words, the bad, mediocre, alarming things Jesus taught are sorted into ten chapters. While I was working on the book, I reread the gospels carefully for the umpteenth time in my 78 years and created an Excel spreadsheet, a chart of disappointing Jesus quotes. The total came to 292. I sorted them into four categories: (1) preaching about the end time; (2) scary extremism; (3) bad advice and bad theology; (2) the unreal Jesus in John’s gospel. This chart is included on the book’s website, www.BadThingsJesusTaught.com.
But in the book, you will find these inferior Jesus quotes arranged under ten headings. Here’s the Table of Contents:
Foreword by David Fitzgerald
Part 1 - Ten Troublesome Teachings
Be Careful Not to Love Too Much
Don’t Worry about Basic Human Needs
Never Say No to a Borrower
Give Me Everything
Remarrying After Divorce Is Adultery
You Are Accountable for Every Word
You Can Do Magic
I Don’t Want Everyone to Understand Me
Do What I Say or I Will Hurt You
I Will Return During Your Lifetime
My appeal to Christians in this book is simple: resist the impulse to rationalize these sayings that don’t sound right-to say the least-and give serious thought to their implications. Or, as I put it in the book:
“I’m calling out a silent rebellion by followers of Jesus-including many of his most devout disciples-against some of his key teachings. One characteristic of these teachings is that if they were uttered by anyone other than Jesus, these same believers would reject them immediately and openly, instead of pretending they must mean something else or are too mysterious to grasp.”
Where will serious inquiry into Jesus script lead you, and what are the implications for the faith? One of the common reactions among the faithful is denial: “Jesus couldn’t have said that!” This is based, of course, on the idealized Jesus they’ve been primed to believe in and taught to love. The irony is that many New Testament scholar say pretty much the same thing, but for different reasons. They have discovered that there is no way at all to verify any of the words attributed to Jesus in the gospels. In Part 2 of the book I discuss the problems scholars have identified that block our view of the “real words of Jesus”-if there were any. In the final chapter I ask readers to ponder how Mark and John differ in their presentations of Jesus; the latter specialized in theology inflation.
Part 2 - Other Reasons to Question
Four Obstacles to Knowing What Jesus Said
Two Versions of Jesus
John Loftus has said this about the impact of my arguments:
“In this book Dr. Madison lands a dozen punches against common assumptions about Jesus. We find ten categories of Jesus teachings that most Christians simply ignore or reject, then a summary of research by scholars-including devout Christian scholars-showing that the words of Jesus cannot be verified: 'There is virtually no chance that authentic words of Jesus are preserved in the gospels.' But then the faithful find this embarrassment: 'There are many Jesus sayings that Christians wouldn’t take seriously at all if they didn’t know Jesus said them.' Madison shows that far too many of the sayings of Jesus don’t make sense. They’re incoherent, containing impractical commands, and based on shallow and/or magical thinking, which are typical of cultic authoritarian leaders who demand blind obedience. This is an enlightening book by a biblical scholar who’s also a master communicator. I’m a big fan of his. Get! It! You! Must!”
John C. Wathey, author of The Illusion of God’s Presence: The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing, wrote a review on Amazon, which includes these paragraphs:
“This lucid, insightful, and concise book takes a unique approach to the problem of Christian faith. Biblical scholar David Madison approaches the reader in a spirit of empathy and generosity but also uncompromising honesty. More specifically, he approaches Christian readers on their own turf. In the first ten chapters he assumes, for the sake of argument, that the words attributed to Jesus in the gospels are accurate representations of his teachings. If we accept this premise, is Jesus truly the greatest teacher of all time? Do his words really match the image of the loving Savior we were told about as children in Vacation Bible School? The answers will shock a great many Christians who have never read the New Testament completely, carefully, and honestly.
“Of course, many Christians are so deeply committed to their faith that nothing will shake the scales from their eyes, and Madison obviously understands this. But he also knows, from his own experience, that there are intellectually honest Christians who struggle with doubt and that a deep, open-minded study of Scripture only makes the problem worse. This book is ideal for people who are on that difficult path. It takes courage to seek truth, wherever that journey leads, but this book will help.”
Sometimes I’m told, “The people you really want to reach won’t read the book.” But I want to reach a wide variety of people. Yes, fellow disbelievers who are looking for resources as they interact with believers. It’s also important to grasp that Christians exist on a scale. There are those who qualify as 10’s. Nothing we can say-no rational arguments at all-can change their minds. Hope of heaven hangs in the balance. However, there are Christians who fall elsewhere on the scale. Maybe the childhood indoctrination didn’t work so well, and doubts come into play often enough. As nonbelievers we can encourage them to actually read the Bible-of all things. They shouldn’t settle for the feel-good texts read from the pulpit. There are 292 Jesus quotes that should bother people…and bring on that most corrosive habit: critical thinking.
“Three strikes and you’re out!” This applies to Christianity as well as to baseball.
Christianity Strike 1: The concept of a loving, attentive, competent God is falsified by the colossal levels of human and animal we see around us every day. Clichés about his mysterious ways and free will don’t work.
Christianity Strike 2: The most fundamental doctrine of the faith, the resurrection of Jesus, cannot be sustained in the wake of critical analysis of the gospel stories of Easter morning. They are a blend of fantasy, folklore, and magical thinking.
Christianity Strike 3: Jesus doesn’t measure up as a great moral teacher-in fact, far from it. He is one of the faith’s biggest problems.
I've got it all condensed. There's was an unemployed carpenter that went around lording it over people. He did a magic trick, then gave a lecture about warped morality followed by aggressive begging.
Jesus was clearly a delusional preacher who believed he was the son of the Jewish god Yahweh and prophesied the end of the world was imminent,
which it was for him.
He also told a rich young man to sell or give away all his possessions, give his money to the poor, take up his cross and follow Jesus if he wanted to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
I don't think that was good advice. The young man could have donated to charity and volunteered without becoming a homeless and destitute follower of Jesus - who later disappeared into his magic kingdom in the sky.
All you really know about Jesus is what others reported He said unless you were there, were you? We all need Our Father to show us the Way back home to Heaven. Now it is the time when you usually would say prove it, when you already know that I cannot. So instead of you asking me for something that you know that I cannot give you, which would only be foolish, why not ask me this? How can I find proof myself?.............Falun Dafa
And because the writers of the letters preached human blood sacrifice on a cross ( _stauros_ - pole, stake, or pale) Jesus had to be thrown into the meat grinder of crucifixion. Or is it meat Grindr? Because scholars who studied the subject tacitly let it be known that the Roman execution cross was male, based on ancient epigraphy and the writings of non-Christian writers and the ante-Nicene church fathers.
My family ancestry is full of Methodist Ministers. Go back to John and Charles Wesley. Waterhouse, Padmans and Churchwards. All rolling in the ground with most of their ancestors now atheists. Apart from a few now Pentagon happy clappers. Love from Australia.
silly as it might sound at first glance, i often wonder how popular christianity would be if christ had proclaimed the only way to heaven is through crucifixion, would that put people off? i notice we don't do blood sacrifices anymore. they'd make excuses still i'm sure.
Isn't the concept of the soul/spirit rising to heaven immediately after death a concept largely created by Paul late in life after realizing that Jesus was no longer likely to return during his lifetime (and there's no way someone as devoted as he would be forced to die, waiting for the retun and not be rewarded immediately for his bodily efforts)?
The prevailing idea through most of Paul's life was that when you died, you were just dead. Until Jesus returned to create his kingdom on earth and you were resurrected.
Slash ... Seth ... :D
An itemized list of the "ten things" would be helpful.
After 15 minutes the conversation went essentially nowhere.