There’s so many scenes that could be added here. For example when she tells her husband that nobody could ever pleasure her like the count, and then the emasculated husband begins to have intercourse with her and she says “take me so he can see us enjoying each other” (or something like that). Here the enjoyment is properly obscene in that it can only take place in front of the imaginary gaze Of the master. And so many more scenes like this. To me the film ultimately suggests that Depp is the true enlightenment subject because only she goes all the way in identifying the true traumatic source of her enjoyment and of course in this encounter with the impossible core/truth of her desire is consumed (literally) by it. Whereas the “enlightenment subjects” who refuse to see the reality for what it is (including its horrendous dimension) are the comic characters (like the brother) who of course succumbs himself to a gruesome kind of irrational death. In this sense I think Eggers is very aware of the psychoanalytic trappings of the horror genre and actually manages to create a very different story even though it seems like a beat by beat remake. Apologies: I accidentally said “Dave Eggers” instead of “Robert Eggers”. My mistake
@jackskellingtonationah Very interesting, thank you for suggesting this. You’re correct that it seems important that Dafoe insists she is not drugged and that she undergo the full objective destitution. As for the Zizek connection, did not know this thank you. Where does Eggers say this, curious.
@@julianphilosophy it can be inferred from Willems character, the role he plays in the movie, resolving the hysteria of the analysand, but what tips me off even more is Eggers reference to Zizeks mannerisms in his GQ conversation with Willem ua-cam.com/video/olj7bLxPXls/v-deo.htmlsi=9OnHZCijwGyHoCr6 at 6:00-8:00
Eggers is a master storyteller, and Nosferatu did not disappoint! As deep and rich as I anticipated and I appreciate your analysis! I saw Depp's character as feminist, as, according to Defoe's character, she redeems the town through her sacrifice.
Impressive analysis, Julian de Medeiros. Looking forward to your next upload! I smashed that thumbs up button on your video. Keep up the fantastic work. Your exploration of the Freudian themes in the film is thought-provoking. How do you think the character dynamics reflect contemporary discussions on power and submission in relationships?
0:32 "La révolution génétique se fit lorsq'on découvrit qu'il n'y a pas transmission de flux à proprerment parler, mais communication d'une code ou d'une axiomatique, d'une combinatoire informant les flux. Il en est de même du champ social: son codage ou son axiomatique définissent d'abord en lui une communication des insconscients. Ce phénomène de la communication que Freud a rencontré de façon marginale, dans ses remarques sur l'occultisme, constitue en fait la norme, et rejette au second plan les problèmes de transmission hérèditaire qui agitaient la polémique Freud-Jung." Father is not the master, society is the master.
There’s so many scenes that could be added here. For example when she tells her husband that nobody could ever pleasure her like the count, and then the emasculated husband begins to have intercourse with her and she says “take me so he can see us enjoying each other” (or something like that). Here the enjoyment is properly obscene in that it can only take place in front of the imaginary gaze
Of the master. And so many more scenes like this. To me the film ultimately suggests that Depp is the true enlightenment subject because only she goes all the way in identifying the true traumatic source of her enjoyment and of course in this encounter with the impossible core/truth of her desire is consumed (literally) by it. Whereas the “enlightenment subjects” who refuse to see the reality for what it is (including its horrendous dimension) are the comic characters (like the brother) who of course succumbs himself to a gruesome kind of irrational death. In this sense I think Eggers is very aware of the psychoanalytic trappings of the horror genre and actually manages to create a very different story even though it seems like a beat by beat remake.
Apologies: I accidentally said “Dave Eggers” instead of “Robert Eggers”. My mistake
Can we talk about DeFoes character being a proper psychoanalyst and a vanishing mediator? Eggers hints strongly he was inspired by Zizek.
@jackskellingtonationah Very interesting, thank you for suggesting this. You’re correct that it seems important that Dafoe insists she is not drugged and that she undergo the full objective destitution. As for the Zizek connection, did not know this thank you. Where does Eggers say this, curious.
@@jackskellingtonation As his last name is literally "von Franz," I thought he was Jungian.
@@julianphilosophy it can be inferred from Willems character, the role he plays in the movie, resolving the hysteria of the analysand, but what tips me off even more is Eggers reference to Zizeks mannerisms in his GQ conversation with Willem ua-cam.com/video/olj7bLxPXls/v-deo.htmlsi=9OnHZCijwGyHoCr6 at 6:00-8:00
@@jltsheppard5057 perhaps but I’d say his methods were lacanian, at least in the end resolution
Camera is too close to your face professor! :o)
Eggers is a master storyteller, and Nosferatu did not disappoint! As deep and rich as I anticipated and I appreciate your analysis! I saw Depp's character as feminist, as, according to Defoe's character, she redeems the town through her sacrifice.
Many thoughts from after the screening and I find this. Very helpful thank you, your insight is always much appreciated
Impressive analysis, Julian de Medeiros. Looking forward to your next upload! I smashed that thumbs up button on your video. Keep up the fantastic work. Your exploration of the Freudian themes in the film is thought-provoking. How do you think the character dynamics reflect contemporary discussions on power and submission in relationships?
Profound
Beautiful analysis
Ahh thank you 🙏 This made complete sense.
His name is Robert
0:32 "La révolution génétique se fit lorsq'on découvrit qu'il n'y a pas transmission de flux à proprerment parler, mais communication d'une code ou d'une axiomatique, d'une combinatoire informant les flux. Il en est de même du champ social: son codage ou son axiomatique définissent d'abord en lui une communication des insconscients. Ce phénomène de la communication que Freud a rencontré de façon marginale, dans ses remarques sur l'occultisme, constitue en fait la norme, et rejette au second plan les problèmes de transmission hérèditaire qui agitaient la polémique Freud-Jung."
Father is not the master, society is the master.
This Depp is Johnny?
His daughter, Lilly rose depp
@julianphilosophy oh ok, I'm just on my way to watch Nosferatu.