Star Trek Discovery 5x09 Lagrange Point Review and Comparison to The Orville Krill Episode
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I half think they chose the Breen as this seasons big bad because the writers who don’t understand Star Trek thought they were storm troopers.
or mandalorians
@@annakudinova3024 Yeah, they probably wanted to have their own Mandalorians.
IMO the breen are Warhammer 40k's Space Marines. Their ranking system includes "Scion" and "Primarch" which im pretty sure are both from 40k. Also they have a bizarre quasi-religious government in which everybody is extremely devoted to *something* that seems completely pointless to outsiders and its all they ever think about and the only time there's ever any dissent is when they doubt their own leader's dedication to the cause.
Also the crap the with "Erdigahs" and "Blood Bounties" is ridiculous. how the fuck did they get from "never turn your back on a breen" to Michael handing over the puzzle as long as they make a sacred, irrevocable promise not to blow up the library. also imagine if she just included not blowing up discovery or making peace with the federation or anything else in that.
While most people are excited for the next episode of their favourite tv show, I'm actually excited for THESE videos here, bc they confirm my thoughts and my rage.
Won’t you miss Discovery and the vast amount of Major Grin content!! I will!
@@autecheee You can always look forward to his reviews of SNW -- I'm sure there will be more than a few stupid SNW episodes coming up.
@@randomelement5510 ohhh yes indeed. But overall didn’t DISCO overachieve in stupidity and illogicality amongst the NU-Trek shows….canon-busting and male nut busting and well??
‘SCIENCE IS FUN’
I had the same when Heelvsbabyface was reviewing S3 of Discovery. I knew that while I'd be witnessing yet another week of ST vandalism at least Az would tear it a couple of new ones.
LaCringe point
They should have never explained the Breen. They could have still used them but never taken off the helmets. Just maintain the secret of what they look like - it makes them so much more interesting.
They were also supposed to use organic ships like Species 8472 according to Tuvok.
So much wasted potential.
Same old Discovery
Discovery doesn’t exist. Done.
It's stupid writers without any imagination of their own that think they are being clever by 'explaining' every damn thing they can find. Usually they do not have the knowledge to do it right, so continuity mistakes are bound. Apart from that, we don't need every damn Breen, Han Solo, Guinan, Yoda or every other character or race to have an origin story.
@@MrData47 Exactly! It has big Dune sequels energy (by which I mean the books by Brian Herbert, the movies are a different issue)
They had done way better in Memory Beta in which they reveal that the Breen are in fact a collection of alien races, a sort of military stratocracy version of the Federation, which "accept" only races that prove valutable to the Breen Confederacy military effort. The reason for why they had all helmets is because the Breen Confederacy was formed after the original three founding races unite to fight off against a shapeshifter race, so they adopt the helmets to denied the greater advantage that their enemy had on them (which always made me think that the Breen had a sort of "hidden agenda" in their alliance with the Dominion). Heck I red once a fandom article about the character of Jennifer Sh'reyan, an Andorian secondary character in Lower Decks, in which it would have reveal that in Jennifer is a Breen Secrect Agent, since she is in fact an Augmented Andorian, a offshoot of the main Andorian races that was forced to abandon Andoria after losing the "War of Lament" (in Memory Beta, the Andorian version of World War 3 that happen in the 16th century) and it join later with the Breen, but it definitely was better than this STD garbage....who here doesn't think that Discovery de-facto is copying the Orville at this point?
One more episode and I never hope to hear about this travesty again.
Why not these reviews are the most entertainment I get
Stubborn Kurtzman won’t let this die, the Starfleet Academy show is based in this same dystopian Discovery 31st century future. Allegedly they REALLY panicked about the popularity of Terry Maralas’s Season 3 Of Picard, so they are doubling down on their Discovery universe because ultimately they want to affirm their importance to the studio, so their contract is renewed again. Pushing Matalas’s vision forward would undermine Kurtzman’s productions and creative choices, so Legacy will never happen - instead we will see more Discovery-lore. They hired Matalas but ultimately resented his popularity and success. If Kurtzman lets Discovery ‘go’, it will be like admitting defeat and showing the studio that he doubts his own choices. He has become a VERY wealthy man and will want the SecretHideOut contract renewed by Paramount.
Oh you sweet summer child, you have no idea how much worse nutrek is about to get. Do you think it's a coincidence that Tilly keeps talking about her students? She's going to be the star of that new Starfleet Academy series they keep hyping up. In another year or two you'll be pining for the days when she was only a supporting character and not the star of the show.
I love it when people who keep putting metal in the microwave write sci-fi.
The writers have been raised too close to the microwave.
Felt better because Jonathan Frakes did his best to polish the turd of a script he was given.
You deserve some sort of award for having the mental fortitude to still watch nuTrek.
Yup. I’m amazed he hasn’t been committed. 😂
Trust me the toll has taken on him. I've been watching his videos from the begining
He used to be a happy optimistic person. Now he sounds like he has suffered and been through hard times. Like when they made Obrien live a life jail term
@@ZeeL4J8C2 Or like Riker after he was manipulated into thinking he was in a mental institution.
@randomelement5510 By far the scariest episode of trek for me
@@randomelement5510 That was such a good episode because not until the end do you know for sure what's real and what isn't, but that's a level of writing we won't see again.
You are the greatest nitpicker of Star trek ever.
That suggests he is picky or fussy in some way. I think his channel name is ironic and self-deprecating - probably lost on you 😂 But you don’t need to be “the greatest nitpicker” to see how insulting bad the writing in on this trash show.
I found it boring, when they found the progenitor box they sat talking about it instead of taking it aboard to allow the rest of the episode. I’m fed up of heart to heart discussions at inappropriate times and the shields having a weak point at the engine area was lucky. How did the breen suits know when to translate and when they were talking to each other?
My favorite part was when I was watching the discovery bridge crew talk in amazement at the glory of finding the object, while I was screaming at the screen "beam it aboard and jump away" but they sit there for so long that the Breen arrive and of course they beam it aboard, causing the entire plot. They knew the Breen were on the way, they knew the clock was ticking and yet again in Discovery, they have no sense of time and in critical moments they take a long time to act.
My favorite part was when it was over. I genuinely felt the end credit music was more uplifting, inspiring and exciting than the previous 50 minutes of dull, dimly-lit garbage.
This whole show just feels like Starfleet launched a magic Starship and crewed it with a diverse selection of Deanna Trois.
Replace "feels like" with "is"
Am I the only one who finds it ridiculous that the Breen arrive by ship and take the cylinder in an instant? While the Discovery was there even before still thinking how to get it 😂.
Discovery is just stupid.
The Breen were Awesome Villians but Kill it by STD like The Borg by Startrek Picard....
To be fair, the whole Borg idea was already overdone and a big mess by the end of TNG - only to be further recycled & ruined by Voyager and First Contact.
The three Picard seasons were just icing on the shitty cake in regards to the Borg. 🫠
They did cover why they materialised near two black holes, they were having trouble with the spore drive and couldn’t control it well. For me the main issue I had with the ‘disguised as the helmeted guards’ gag was only one out of four of them was a similar size and shape to the Breen, they didn’t remotely blend in.
I'm so disappointed in this Final season. It just feels so...boring.
On one had I can’t wait for Discovery to be over, but looks like fake Trek are pushing hard with the Academy show, so the vandalisation of the franchise won’t end with Discovery sadly.
The top execs at Paramount are paying Kurtzman A LOT of money and have made him a ridiculously wealthy man - but there is also understandably a lot of scrutiny on him and his SecretHideOut productions. His vision has clearly polarized the fanbase and driven a huge amount of fans away. He can not let Discovery ‘die’ because that will be like admitting defeat. He ultimately wants his contract to be renewed by Paramount a third time (I pray, when that day comes, that it won’t) so yes, as you say, sadly this Starfleet Academy show that nobody asked for - will be based in the same 31st century dystopian Discovery universe … we will probably see Discovery or Burnham in cameos, we suspect Tilly will be a permanent cast member as they’ve set her up as a teacher at the academy. Terry Matalas, even though Kurtzman OK-ed him being hired, was greatly resented for creating a success with Season 3 of Picard - as it undermined Kurtzman and his close staff. New guy comes in, clearly a loyal Trekkie and has a history with 90s Star Trek… and makes a huge success of things. It’s not in Kurtzman’s financial interests to allow Matalas to succeed again - I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Lower Decks (which celebrated 90s Trek) or Prodigy (which stylistically was close to 90s Trek) was all cancelled.
@@ah7910 yeah sad, I actually enjoyed Lower Decks and Prodigy, stylistically I liked Picard Season 3, but was ultimately disappointed by the story arch, Enterprise D flying like the Millennium Falcon… and renaming the Titan-A to Enterprise-G was disrespectful in my opinion, spoiled the whole show. Discovery, Picard (overall) and SNW have been vandalisations of the franchise in my opinion.
this episode felt like it woke up from sleeping during work and paniced at how much time the season wasted so far and delivered some interesting action for once
michael has gone into the portal!
quick scan the portal, is she there?
no, she is just gone...
yeah no shit sherlock, she went into the damn portal!!!
And for some reason they are all so scared for her, as if the portal was some evil technology and not something created by some good people for good people to find and use
21:10 Two stabilized black holes are one of the most intresting things in space, every spacefaring civilisation would at least send a probe to it. Remember that the Enterprise even stopped for analyse an asteroid. And the most intresting point of the binary black holes would be the La Grange point. Moreover, the progenitor device is simply there to pick up by somebody, the clues and stuff isn't needed. The helmet scene hasn't remind me of the Power Rangers, but of Starcraft, the little animated pictures when you select certain units.
My prediction for the last episode:
Ugly Wig will have the chance to revive her husband without any consequences whatsoever, but Saint Michael will tell her "Ugly Wig, we cannot bring back the dead" [although they totally can], "you have to let him go. I've lost my parents, and my mother was sent into future without spacesuit and I never thought of her again. Come with us and I'll ask for leniency "
Ugly Wig kiss her husband goodbye and watches him liquify
She, Book and Michael group-hug and a Saint Michael voiceover starts as the camere moves away:
"Life, death, it's what makes us who we are. We the beings that feel, laugh, live; cry and mourn" [montage of the old scenes] ...
Starfleet has taken the progenitors tech for safe keeping at an undisclosed location, they be studying it for centuries."
(Screen fades away)
"TWO WEEKS LATER"
(We see Ugly Wigs, with a new more less retarded hairdo, in an Starfleet admiral uniform)
"As for Ugly Wig, after serving hwr sentences, she joined starfleet and quickly climbed the ranks"
(We see the door in fornt of Ugly Wigs opening, and there is St. Michael)
"Reporting for duty, ADMIRALESS Ugly Wig"
And then they hug and cry
“and then they hug and cry” as the final shot 👌🏻 I laugher and I nodded. This show is pure, stinking trash.
🤣🤣🤣 Two weeks later, Moll is a Starfleet admiral. Brilliant!!!
It's funny that they always make the Star Trek galaxy feel as tiny as a quadrant and yet no one knew about the 2 black holes that somehow never changed size or location for billions of years.
7:50 ‘La Grange’. ZZ top song is about a ‘Chicken Ranch’ Brothel in Texas….’Point’ between 2 black holes???
The next episode Book and Michael get some cheap sunglasses. Then he gives her a pearl necklace. He's not a rough boy.
@@scockery ‘She’s got wings’. ‘She knows how to time travel’…..
@@autecheee She'll have to double back again to see that sharp dressed man David Cronenberg.
@@scockery Nitpicky Nerd should do a AI generated music video with the ZZTOP music using these lyrics…..mutate the music enough to fool copyright!!
I agree with most of the analysis and that this episode was actually somehow fun to watch. It's just sad, that they stretch nothing over 8 episodes only to make a somewhat decent finale.
But I also have some points to what you said:
5:10 well, if they open their helmets, the Discovery crew could theoretically have some simulated effect as well so that wouldn't help them identify them. They haven't but what IF they had that effect active?
7:30 they said the navigation system is damaged, so they are not capable for an exact jump, so they only jumped somewhere near it. And given that the Breen even take a while to get there with transwarp, the scanners of the discovery aren't probably able to scan that far. But they could have some star maps in which they see what is there, unless the black holes just appeared there recently.
20:00 I don't think the Breen said "come to the party" but the name of their fest. As if a human asked an alien if they'll join to Halloween. How should an alien know what's meant with that, if they haven't studied the human race?
21:00 I think they mentioned that it's really small and could be easily missed (or seen as trash) if you don't know to look for it. But yeah, if it's made from such an inpenetrable material, someone should have picked it up.
I think the idea of sending a guy through a mysterious inter-dimensional portal with a rope tied around him might actually have originated with the Twilight Zone episode, "Little Girl Lost". Great episode, btw.
they also did that in the first Poltergeist movie
Thank you for another great review!
I just wish any of the writers would see these.
Do you think they realize their writing is this bad?
I don't like how the Spore Drive Technology is being used in this season I expected this season to mainly be about Multiple faction alien enimies factions trying to get their hands on Spore Drive Technology. We know that the Discovery Ship is not the only ship capable of using it because they literally upgrade the tech to 2.0 and Book's ships is able to use it and they make a big deal about it. A Teleporting faster than warp ship should be a literal shock to all that witness it but they treat it so casually and now they're apparently able to track when it jumps
"If you think about it.'' That is exactly what neither this shows makers and it's fans never do. STD at it's best is glorified bad Star Wars fanfic pastiching Star Trek.
Oh BTW, it's '' blown out'' into space, not ''sucked out.''
Primordial Black Holes- ua-cam.com/video/rcv_tYcRgw4/v-deo.html ... Time Crystals - ua-cam.com/video/5l1KxgHH2Ek/v-deo.html ... I hate how the technobabble of this show is from someone who saw these words and wrote them into Star Trek, without understanding how they work.
What are you talking about?! The writers are totally aware that the mycelial network that exists throughout the multiverse can be quantum entangled through wormholes, singularities and primordial back holes!
I still have issues with the lack of technological advancement and how the same old problems from the 24th and 25th century still haven’t been solved in the 32nd century. It just continues to rip off what’s come before.
I think it could have been more exciting if they’d used the Borg this season. I know haters gonna Borg-hate but one could imagine that the Borg could be very interested in this technology. They could have taken the opportunity to present the Borg more in the original style of a hive mind and not depicted a Queen. Gave them a 32nd century makeover. Totally retcon that nonsense Matalas put out. I think they’ve made the Breen a cross between the Borg and the Klingons anyway. This big dreadnought thing looks way more Borg than it does Breen.
Yeah, the stupidity of Discovery is the most entertaining aspect of the show
As for intentional hunour I actually found it funny when Tilly clued into Michaels plan at the end. Gave me a chance to say "Tilly you idiot' again, which I appreciate.
That vulcan diplomat is always mad at poor Saru for one reason or another. She is imposible to like.
The only black hole i see, is the plot hole
since the container opened up and exploded after discovery flew in the hanger, does that mean all the other clues were useless?
couldn't they have just shot it and made the portal open?
The previous eight episodes were completely useless? And all it did was make the Breen follow Burnham to get the tech? And that all the clues testing Burnham's character were pointless?
And the entire reason they hid this technology was because mankind was not ready, and that the entire season of War and conflict prove that is the case?
Why isn't Book interested in redeeming Moll anymore?
The writers probably forgot they set up that plot point.
Nitpicking Nerd is doing some noble work by watching this garbage and summing it up so the rest of us are saved from contamination.
You’re right about Adira being short. You should watch my review of the episode. You will like how I address this.
(Not a plug) 😅
@@ah7910 well, no, I want him to see what I said/did about the Adira height thing in my review because he’ll laugh.
this is more like starship troopers blended with Star Wars fan-fiction than actual Star Trek
I always assumed the breen wore encounter suits on DS9 when they were interacting with humans because they came from a different environment. Why wouldn't there own ship have an environment they could live in without a suit. I know disco has some nonsense about them being gelatinous so, what, they always have to wear the suits? are they mandaloreans? this show is so dumb.
What I did not understand is why was Discovery (the entire ship) able to stay several minutes inside the Breen ship without having any shield, hull issues ? Everyone acted as if it was completely normal.
Also, why would the breen just stay there after getting the tech instead of going to warp again?
I know they did not expect discovery, but holy hell you would do it just in case.
I thought the best part of the episode was Raynor telling Shilley to shut the eff up.
There's also something terribly revealing about all the chum they are sending us (I think it's once per episode). It's like they're violating their own ethical standards to get another customer. It kind of makes me dislike them even more.
@@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp True. Good point.
Just having spent a few moments theory crafting the Breen = temperate world why suits? Maybe they were a gelatinous lifeform, but those who lived in frozen environments had better neuron density, evolved higher intelligence and became a habit to use vehicles then suits to spread across their world.
I like how Book says, "it looks like our disguises are holding up" as people are walking by. The helmsman doesn't understand why the ship is being pulled into the black hole. This episode was a better episode than most this season, but still a lot of dumb stuff going on.
"The Infinity Device" was immediately reminded of "The Cone of Silence" they should have all been like "What?? I can't hear you!!"
directed by jonathan frakes.
why would he debase himself like this? Does he really need money this bad?
Absolutely! This is what pays for these actor’s mortgages, bills, mansions and children’s private schooling! Everyone adulates Frakes but to me, he has sold out. All the TNG and most of all the 90s actors cite NuTrek as stunning and brave, yet they out of everyone would know how much it deviates from the spirit of original Trek. And I write this as a gay man! Discovery and SNW are dark, dimply-lit, depressing and dystopian… Frakes knew Gene Roddenberry personally. He just wants to get paid.
This episode is all about photo ID.
If you can't tell who a person is on your ship then you have to have a way to identify them.. This is not 1977.
And you can't have this big evil villain alien that has holes in their shields. And if they do have holes in their shields then why do you have the crew tell each other that the mission is going to be impossible?
If this were an action comedy then make it funny. But you can't have a serious action episode if you have no stakes.
And you have to get rid of Moll. She's a SNL character. She takes over the Breen in a second.
And why go back and do soap opera with Saru? Why spend three beats as Adira looks like Wesley looking at Burnham looking at Stamets?
But the worst was the ending scene, where you had Discovery crash into the other ship. And it was just a minor inconvenience. Books body was not thrown into space. The ships did not explode. Why don't they do this more often?
Why didn't the Breen just blow the discovery up? Kill all its crew? Transport them into space? Instead they just sit there.
Who is writing this garbage?
second.
‘And why go back and do soap opera with Saru?’ - isn’t it obvious, like most everyone else they’ve done this with, it’s going to end tragically.
Is LT Rhys' yellow uniform meant to be a easter egg for Esign Kim? The charcters are so sillimar it's feels kind of lazy
I think i felt my IQ drop just by listening to you narrating the story of this episode.
dont do assumptions about black holes. Most dumbest scene are all the ironmen face screen scenes....with weak actors it looks horrible
I continue to marvel at the incompetence of fake star fleet.
IMO this season's "not entirely bad" episode was Whistlespeak, because it was the only episode where they were doing "normal" star trek things - they go down to some primitive world disguised as the indigenous inhabitants, learn about their beautiful culture, encounter some problems caused by the broken-down humidifier and attempt to resolve them without breaking the prime directive before eventually giving up and revealing themselves.
It wasn't a *great* episode but i will say it was good enough to be a somewhat forgettable but not-necessarily bad TNG ep. If every episode of nutrek was like Whistlespeak I would not be complaining nearly as much. Old-trek wasn''t always good, sometimes it was boring and sometimes the plot was unintentionally ridiculous (ie most of Voyager) but even when it was bad it was a show about a consummate group of professionals living on a starship together and trying to solve problems and make the galaxy a better place in accordance with a well-defined sense of ethic and responsibility.
Even when Star Trek was boring or repetitive you could still look up to somebody like Janeway or Archer and admire their integrity and see the person you wish you could be. And I kind of got that feeling from Whistlespeak even though it had its fair share of ridiculous moments like convincing us that a morbidly obese woman in her late 30s who took forever to get promoted is "the queen of endurance".
Anyways, this week's episode was just another dull action piece like most of Discovery and nutrek in general. It's treading water, padding out the season by barely revealing anything about its mystery box (in this case a literal mystery box) because they have to save that for the finale because the only two episodes that ever truly matter ito the writers n nutrek are the first and last episode of each season, and the others are really just there so that you keep your paramount+ sub active for at least three months,
Every time you call her Shin Hati I lose it lol
So happy to see this absolutely atrocious show go away for good. The writers have been consistently horrible for five seasons in a row. And I'll never forgive them for completely abandoning one of the biggest hallmarks of Trek: creating a bridge crew that ALL have complete personalities and their own storylines. What a massive waste of time and money all of this has been. It just makes me appreciate all of the Trek that came before.
Maybe I missed it by why did the Breen even want to be gelatinous? What is the purpose or benefit of it?
@@maagg456 it was never explained
Good ??? Less painfully maybe ,....It only took 4 tries to get the episode unlike the usual 8 times
So you can beam through a shuttle's shields now on to a ship with shields up now?
Shields what are they good for ? absolutely nutin !The craft services table must be great on this show .
All you have to do is look at Tilly Adira, Helm officer and the Federation President 😅🤣😂
Why are there un-painted Nanns in star trek (Breen).
I didn't feel things made more sense in this episode, on the contrary :) For instance L1 is not a stable Lagrange point (Ex Astris Scientia explains this). You made a good point about the away team not concealing their faces under the helmets. In Strange New Worlds, they have the technology to conceal their looks with DNA modification. Maybe this wouldn't work with the Breen look, but in season 2 of Discovery we saw Emperor Georgiou using some kind of Section 31 holographic technology to modify her look under a helmet (in her first scene of that season).
There was also a funny visual goof in this episode. When Michael and Book take their Breen helmets off, you can see that Michael's hair was already hanging outside the helmet. Not really masters of disguise :)
Some more things: It seems that the Breen suits don't offer any protection in hand to hand combat. In fact, it's enough to pull out the pipe at the back of the neck to incapacitate them.
What also stuck out to me was when they said there were no casualties after the battle in the last episode (and I think the same was the case with the archive). In TOS redshirts were dying on each away mission, to show how dangerous it is. In Discovery it would be too triggering to say that even one faceless crewmember died in battle. Or maybe Michael is such an awesome captain that no one can die under her command (unless it's an epic death scene with someone consciously sacrificing themselves).
None of the Lagrange points are stable for bodies of similar masses. In reality, none are stable at all for extended periods of time. On the other hand, 800 years is nothing on the cosmic scale…
Wow. You and UK Dangerman have very different views of this. Maybe the ship is that way because Shin Hottie is Empress now.
This episode was decent because of the director Jonathan Frakes
I think it's funny how Michael is probably going to be the "chosen one" solely because she knows a password given from the last clue.
yes she will probably choose to stay in that dimension of higher beings to run it or something and become a literal God who is watching over all of creation
@@NitpickingNerd Given how this show likes to tie-in to other shows as much as possible (particularly TNG) I won't be surprised if it ends up being something dumb like a Q origin story or Michael becoming the guardian of the tech and forced to leave everyone forever
1 Episode to go Thank Fk. How did it make it this far?
Actually, black hole evaporate, according to Hawking.
eventually yes , after a long time of running out of mass
The quicker Discovery ends, the better
Who else watches the reviews here before never watching the episode ? (Does this sentence even make sense?)
I don't even watch the episodes anymore... just this review. Discovery is garbage...
I gave up watching, I just watch your reviews
I laughed out loud at lot at the standard plot devices they use from other shows as well as themselves. Why does everyone want to open that can and turn it on? None of them have the slighest idea what it will do. Maybe the somehting like the Tal'Shiar Galaxy destroyer could happen. Everyone in range could be crystallized into data or something Star Trek-y. Too late! Series over. 👩🚀
They put fiction into science that episode. 😂😂 Was it the writers strike? New genre Comedy-scifi
I'm fine never seeing the Federation President and the Vulcan lady ever again. The two most boring leaders in Star Trek history. The Vulcan lady looks mire like an Elf lady.
While I often agree with your reviews, this episode was the dumbest of the entire show…
I love Nitpicking Nerd and to me he is a legend, and one of the few comforts since NuTrek poisoned my love of my once beloved franchise - BUT YES! This was a very dull, very contrived and badly-written episode - I have to disagree with him too on this occasion. Love him as I might! This episode was insufferable.
I have avoided watching this entire season, and I'm excited there is ONLY 1 more episode then this train wreck is OVER! I'm planning to watch the final 10 minutes of the final episode and save myself from having to endure an entire season of this trash show, I can't believe I watched the first two seasons. NuTrek is mostly coming to a close!
I had to speed watch the entire espoide, just too dark on viewing.
ooo, they called it lagrange point; somebody has read the first 5 pages of a textbook... and then summarized it for the idiots who write this crap.
increible how you continue to torture yourself by watching this fake trek crap. the breen is a good name as it reminds me of neil breen, who would surely do a better job at making star trek than the loonies making it now.
It's endearing how you try to use common sense to analyze what is happening, when the writers of the show clearly have no common sense at all. ☺
I didn't like the first season of the Orville because it was so stupid. The problem is it wanted the viewer to both take the plot seriously and not seriously at the same time, so it was immersion breaking.
Orville is just a Galaxy Quest rip off
Not really. Galaxy Quest was about washed up sci-fi actors becoming real space heroes.
@@scockery exactly
@@OffendingTheOffendable Somewhere Penny Johnson Jerald weeps.
before the opening credits even rolled, i could tell it was a Frakes directed episode (the bowswon whistle when michael transports to bridge gave it away) hes the only one who seems to care about the trek before, and every trek he directs is so much more enjoyable.