Subaru's GENIUS ROCKET Exhaust
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2023
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Anti Lag is epic - listen to this!
That is the sound of fuel deliberately being burnt in the exhaust, in order to keep the turbo creating boost all the time! But back in the early 2000s, Subaru took an already incredible system and stepped it up.
Creating a kind of JET ENGINE that sat in the exhaust - meaning they created MORE POWER and DOMINATED rallying at the time.
But how did this MAD contraption work?
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Stop stealing video ideas from smaller channels...
@2007MazdaFurai ??????
@@diegolanderoortiz3171 they stole it from The MotorSport Story, they did a far better video with far better explanation of the rocket and way better diagrams so it’s highly recommended you watch it too
@@diegolanderoortiz3171 The Motorsport Story made a video on this first, that's probably what he's referring to.
I appreciate everyone on here mentioning my video. Ideas aren't copyrighted, so technically it isn't stealing, but certainly a shout out in the video or link in the description to my video would have been nice to see. That said, I'd still love to work with you guys on something @Driver61 team🙂
Fun fact: Mitsubishi called their antilag system the "misfiring system."
Misufairingu shisutemu!
@@larzancover Ah yes, the Emperors of Hirohazaka
*MISSSSSSSSSSFAIARINGU SHYSUTEM*
BANG BANG
Irohazaka PTSD incoming 🤣
I love that I'm not the only one who realized the reference
Initial-D is not real life.
Ralli-Arts anti-lag is called...wait for it...anti-lag.
The supercharger and turbo charger used by Lancia wasn't during that period, it was during group B, there wasn't a restrictor during that period. They did it because they wanted mega power and big turbos were REALLY laggy back then, so the supercharger addition was to get around that problem. And from what I've seen it was mental in regards to power delivery.
This is correct
was looking for this comment
True, i was like "WTF He is talking about?"
The Peugeot 205 only had the huge turbo, not the supercharger. That took about 7 years to spool up, good times.
I think it was more of a generalisation on how companies were trying to get around turbo lag
I use a lot of Inconel 718 and Incololy 925. Not only does it have high heat performance, but it’s very resistant to corrosion, and it is very strong able to be age hardened to 140,000 psi MYS.
It’s expensive as hell but it’s kind of a wonder metal when compared against various non Nickel steel alloys, aluminum, and even titanium options. The fact they had to use it shows the degree of engineering and performance they were after
Yeah it's not just the high melting point, steel also has one, but the resistance to oxygen at temperature. I hear it's also a bastard to machine.
@@gamemeister27 yeah, it’s very commonly used in jet and rocket engines due to the oxygen resistance at ultra high temperatures. My application is more around different corrosion mechanisms, hydrogen, chlorides, CO2 at elevated temperatures, but the airspace industry greatly impacts my ability to procure my equipment in a timely fashion largely because we are competing for Inconel
Well many steel alloys without Ni or with a low content also have problems with there streng over ~ 800°C but below the liquidus they get soft gummy or brittle (or even samething in between)
over the currie temperature steel losses almost all of its desired physical and chemical propertys that are needed for use applications
The Jumo 004 jet engine (know from the Me262) is a great example why high temp alloys are needed the steel turbine blades just couldn't cope long in a hot exaust stream because of streng and Oxidation problems (well they increased the life time of the engines massively by ceramic coating the blades but the core problem was the leak of alloy materials therfore the almost milled steel blades)
I would be amazed if there were, but are there any additive manufacturing processes for Inconel? Actual photos of the “rocket” seem like it was welded together from various pieces of bent/machined parts, but this would be a helluva lot easier to make with atomized powder and lasers
@@DOMO1785 So I googled it, and first result is from protolabs. Not only can you use it for 3d metal printing (sintering like you said), but you can have them print parts for you out of Inconel 718.
Its pretty neat how Subaru basically took the combustion chamber from an older turbine engine and created this monster. Incredible!
Not a Single mention of that other idea Toyota had to solve the restrictor problem on their Celica? I mean, scruteneering said it's compliant... ;)
probably a topic for another video? :D
Saying that Citroen beat Subaru because it was shorter and had better balance sort of dismisses the driver of the Citroen who changed the way rallys are driven because he was so dominant.
I seem to recall it was someone named Loeb…
@@borismuller86That rings a bell. Sea Bass something.
Sea Bass Loeb? Sounds a bit fishy if you ask me . . .
@@nigeldepledge3790 Sea bass is a dominant fish in Rally. All told essentially 20 years of dominance.
Exactly, it had nothing to do with the Citroen and everything to do with Loeb driving it.
Inconel is very commonly used for actual rocket engines, that's crazy.
Head gasket go brrrr
It already ate head gaskets but this allows them to eat through head gaskets faster which meant that their turbo was able to get their own source of cooling because coolant would escape from the exhaust and evaporate on the turbo
MLS head gaskets have entered the chat
Actually, this would lower the combustion chamber pressures, since the air fuel mixture ignites outside of the cylinder instead of with the spark plug (i've also heard that the head gasket issues are mostly on the USDM 2.5L, not as much the 2.0L, but i'm not sure about that)
@@dantevito1193You would be correct about the 2.5 litres (EJ25X) having head gasket problems. The 2 litre (EJ20) just has thicker cylinder walls and therefore a better clamping surface for the gaskets. The naturally aspirated EJ25 were the ones with major problems because of the single layer head gaskets that were used. Turbo EJ25s used MLS gaskets which, at stock power, are pretty reliable for 1-200k miles if taken care of!
When you don't actually know Subarus and you just quote the internet
The Motorsport Story made a great video on this a few months back for anyone interested. Much more detailed with better diagrams and an easier to digest explanation. Too bad you didnt shout them out here...
One of the difficulties of the group B cars was the immense turbo lag that came with the huge turbochargers they used. You'd plant your foot on the throttle, then wait a second or so while the engine tried to get the turbo spinning. And then you'd suddenly have more torque than you knew what to do with.
The other major problem was that you were driving the same stages with 400+ hp that you drove the previous year with under 150 hp.
"Insanely brave fans lining the stages." Its a fine line between bravery and idiocy.
It's only fun if it is risky
Scott's pronunciation of "patented" is correct. Google's pronunciation is American (which as every British person knows, means wrong 😄).
The rocket exhaust is related to NOx reduction burners used in industry. The goal is to get complete combustion yet lower the overall temperature of the mix. It's essentially a way to get combustion in overly lean conditions.
Turbosmart has a ALS valve that you can install to your turbo system. It takes your pressurized air frok your charge pipes and routes it directly to your exhaust header. Run a rich 0% throttle map with late spark timing, and now you have anti lag.
i remember the day my then 62ish year old mother heard anti-lag for the first time, she legit thought someone was firing a machine gun, me on the other hand was laughing my ass off cause i knew what it was and where it was coming from.
Cool video, just got a bit confusing with you not differentiating between turbine and compressor stage of the turbo
The DS was good but Seb Loeb is just a monster! 😂
You should do the Toyota turbo cheat from 93-94ish. Even the FIA were impressed by its genius!
"How did they come up with this?!?" Apparently someone came up with similar idea in 20th century for locomotive engines, very very old patent, there was also at least 1 man who re-engineered a system similar to this for his S2000 race car, searching BigBadWolf S2000 will get you there. Regardless, what ProDrive did with his system is truly amazing.
As far as I am aware, he has never lost an engine.
@@MegamanEXEv2 You are probably right, i forget what he lost, or what hurdle he faced, i just remember something a few times completely stopping the project. If its all on same motor then my apologies.
4:58 The in car video view was from an setup called "Fresh Air" anti lag system which operated very differently.
The throttle would be fully closed, but the turbo would keep spinning and never spin down until you flip a switch.
Basically your plumbing a T into the charge pipe right before the throttle body to a waste gate that's plumbed to each individual exhaust port on the exhaust manifold feeding itself to keep the turbo spinning from the exhaust side. From watching videos about it in the past. Rally Racing banned this type of technology and a new type of technology "Rocket Anti-lag" came into place for a more efficient design from an emissions standpoint.
Good informative video. Would like to see more rally based videos about past/present invetions as well as facts
You are a very good driver and UA-camr.
thats pretty ingenious turning the turbo into a jet turbine for anti lag and not killing the turbo at the same time by keeping the combustion steady.
The sound of antilag on a rally car is awesome and speak of anti lagg a rally driver i know hwo drives a awd mazda 323 turbo and he can use the antilag in winter because the car is so poisonus so he turns it off on snow
How am I not surprised the subaru WRC car was a colossal gas guzzler? XD
"... insanely brave fans". I definitely agree with "insane" part of that statement.😀
Used to Co-Drive in a GPA Impreza, with the Anti Lag running all the time the turbo needed a rebuild every 4 events 😂😂 and drank a liter per mile
A lot of new concepts for me, thanks 👍
"Insanely brave fans lining the stages" 😂😂🤣
Editor popped off in this video, lmao.
As per usual, awesome content
Audi Quattro Group B, Lancier Stratos and several of the Subaru's are for me, the best of the best for Rally. Ideally, 22B for Subaru but theyve had some iconic cars.
Id also like to add that were talking about Loeb. As good as the Citroen was, lets be real, its Loeb.
I'd love to see a rally video on the job of the navigator. What are they saying? What does it mean? How does it help the driver? I never understood any of that.
I think they have course layouts on their paper and they inform the driver of upcoming turns. They're on public roads and aren't doing laps, so the drivers can't possibly memorize the "course" beforehand.
There are tons of videos on this
It's a code/language of commands, that describes:
angle of the turn,
it's lenght,
distances between the turns or way points,
on witch side of the road should they be before the next turn,
state of the surface,
what obstacles are ahead (like chicanes, jumps, dips and hills, creek crossings, and so on and do forth),
which amount on or off throttle driver should be in a particular turn.
Driver dictates those commands to the co-pilot at the mandatory and strictly regulated route reconnaissance, before the main rally event. Than, after the start of the rally, co-pilot just reads those commands for the driver. It's like driving in fog with the GPS on. You see on screen, in advance the turns of the road, before you reach them. Same with those commands, but very much the analog way of doing the thing.
Typically they will use a system such as a 1-6 system, 6 being a very shallow turn while 1 being almost 90 degrees. They will also have other codes for tighter turns such as:
square right/left = 90 degree turn
Hairpin left/right = 180 degree
Open hairpin = a wider 180 degree, like an open hairpin/bobby pin
Crest = slight hill
Dip = slight dip in the road
Jump maybe = be careful as the car may do a jump over the next section
Caution, double caution, triple caution = be careful, be ready to slow down and maybe stop, stop or we die
Flat = full speed
Any numbers they say is usually how many meters, example “70 6-right” = shallow level 6 turn right in 70 meters
It would be too difficult to remember the course layouts so the navigator uses pre defined code words or “pace notes” to tell the driver where to go.
A typical set of pace notes may read something like “40 into 3right into 4 left tightens into flat 100 crest jump maybe 50 caution hairpin right” or “in 40 meters there’s a level 3 turn to the right followed by a level 4 turn to the left, you can go full speed after that but be careful as there is a slight jump in the road 100 meters up which may cause us to jump, 50 meters after that there is a 180 degree turn to the right with something you need to watch out for so be aware as you may need to avoid or slow down.
There is a lot of different phrases and lingos for all different things a driver can meet on the track and each is different to each driver and co driver
Listening to WRC spec (and now Rally 1 spec) cars is a wild experience
Going outside right now and drilling 37 holes in my muffler! ROCKET MUFF!!
In GT7 , I put Antilag in everything love it
really high level editing and presentation
this was fascinating
you brits talk funny, but it sounds better
You should watch The Motorsports Story’s video on this topic, he goes into far more detail with way better diagrams
hell yea thank you@@RightLadd
Please more rally content
Love it🎉
You know your stuff, Mr Mansell. Great explanation of an arcane subject 🌞
You know; The Motorsport Story - channel already covered this completely 5 months ago. But....
They basically made a turboprop but instead of a propeller, like you'd see on an airplane, it was attached to the turbo instead and miniaturized - that it so cool.
I'm surprised that you didn't mention Fords bumper tanks, in the early Ford Focus!
U forgot telling the part that this rocket anti-lag main advantage over conventional antilag..
That would be full boost even at idle speed engine rpm...
Thats why subaru impreza s12b code chassis can start-launch at rally stages just sitting idle...
As opposed to conventional antilag needing the driver to input 100% throttle and keep the engine rev high enough to start/launch...where then whem only after get moving, the conventional antilag will be effective...as the engine rpm relatively kept at reasonably high rpm to get the exhaust gas moving decently...
Rocket antilag can be driven in more relaxed manner at launch as well as at every type of corner without needing to keep the engine rpm high enough...because there is already full boost available even from idle rpm...solving problems of bogging down at super tight hairpins or driver error...
Less driver stress on keeping the engine rpm as high meams less engine wear, less drivetrain shock, more focussed driver and cleaner driving style...more potential to wins...
I wonder what the result would be if Seb.Loeb given the chance to compete in wrc driving this version of subaru...
as a ST185 GT-Four Celica owner. and also a GC8 sti owner this video was sick and gave me some real stupid ideas hahaha
Definitely appreciate the pronouncement corrections
Is it just me or is the subway surfers song playing in the background? Lol
4:05
FYI - Nuclear fuel rods, the assemblies that hold the fuel pellets, are constructed of - - - Inconel. Now you know.
Do more of these videos.
The last sedan on wrc if I'm not mistaken
Petter Solberg really gave it his all trying to beat Loeb. With a better car he could have won his second WRC championship.
So that's why the cars in my rally games sound like popcorn makers😅 I thought I'd messed up the exhaust or something lol
0:54 ✊💪🏁
Was this system used in road versions?
I'm assuming not, since Inconel is insanely expensive and road cars don't really need giant turbos and thus also don't require advanced antilag.
Is it effectively a pulse jet?
What they built was essentially the combustion chamber for a turbo jet.
pops and bangs map innit bruv
Roland’s Rocket 😎
WaZz uP. So dope. I want this on a street set up lol
Incredible science and engineering
dmec clip spotted! theres some crazy engines and cars in dmec series. only restriction is tyres has to be allowed to be driven on street. turbonascar, nitrous turbodiesel. under 1000 hp = go home
Stupid question but can you buy or get one of the "Rocket" systems?
The ting goes Skrraaa...
Ye there’s a reason why prodrive Subarus are 400k + great vid mate cheers
Wow 😳
I think of the Ford Focus "boost" tank right now
Take a drink each time he says the word "Meaning"
Good luck!😊
Is this a reupload?
Rememeber a video about this device.
airline pilot approval here
Bang Bang and flames 🔥 :)
They weren’t able to beat Sebastian Loeb to the title because he’s Sebastian freaking Loeb.
There were no anti-lag systems in f1 in the 80s
The Audi had the shortest wheelbase of all homologated group B rally cars. Even shorter than the 6R4
There's a lot of overlap between bravery and stupidity though.
Yeah I'd say those fans were closer to suicidal than brave. Risking your life to watch a car go vroom doesn't seem particularly brave to me.
@@gamemeister27 100%. Even the people at rallies today, and the Isle of Man TT, are mad. They all assume the driver will make no mistakes and that they aren't the ones getting hurt, as usual. Problem is, nobody is perfect.
Too many people who don't understand where the dangerous spots are on a track and where it is safe. Ish.
@@Yvolve Even if the driver or rider is perfect, tires can blow and machines can break.
@@jfess1911 That as well. People are so stupid sometimes.
@@Yvolveso name a wrc event where someone has died in the last few years? 🤔
So much for today's F1 "rocket ships"!
This has me thinking of a bunch of (cartoon-like, of course. It's my mind, and that's a weird place) engineering boffins twiddling their thumbs in the office, when in comes the boss saying, "make me a twin charger rocket ship." At which point the drawing boards are refilled with clean paper and the engineers aren't seen again for a month, save the odd glimpse of the guy sent to buy more coffee and a hand at the door paying for a pizza delivery.
Not sure if you ment to imply Toyota came up with secondary air ALS or not but they (Toyota) didn't.
Audi had it's 'Umluft' system on the S1E2 Quattro circa 1985 using a wastegate off a 944 Porsche Turbo to supply charge air to the exhaust manifold under certain conditions.
Unfortunately, control was not as precise as today's technology and the exhaust valves would eventually burn up and be destroyed from the high temperatures in around 60mins of use.
So it's a secondary jet engine just to run tuebo
You're not having fun with turbos until the manifold goes translucent :)
so they instaled a mini jet engine
Airzooka toys are toriodal vortex cannons
9:49 big * needed here. This makes it sound as if the rocket ship anti-lag wasn’t good enough so Subaru didn’t win the championship. No. They lost because Sebastien Loeb. Loeb won *9 years in a row* aka almost an entire decade. Subaru could have made 100hp and there still was no beating Loeb. Loeb was the most dominant man in his sport of all time. This had nothing to do with Subaru not being good enough or Citroen being better, it was that Sebastien Loeb was unreal. He was making his sport unwatchable way before Lewis Hamilton (and he has 2 more championships than Lewis)
Subaru? I only hear a machine gun
Are we not in the "early two thousands"?
Rally used to be the most amazing motorsport. Crazy how good a job FIA did at ruining it over the last decade.
To be fair I think the main reason the Citroen won Was because it was being driven by Sebastian loeb
Do a video on the air tank that stored air in the bumper of the 2003 Ford Focus WRC car and redirected it back to the turbo
what the hell is Driveability?
How easy it is to control the car, at least that's my novice understanding
when you say subaru do you actually mean prodrive?
and now every NATURALLY ASPIRATED shitbox on the street has a bang tune
I need dys
I'm kindling getting fed up of the copycat b.s. this media company does.
Took the "Overdrive" name from that magazine, and so many video ideas from other UA-cam channels.
This is basically the same video as 'The Motorsport Story' made 5 months ago.
Don't say it
Don't say it
MISFAIRINGU SISTEMU
Toyota used another trick, got them banned however 😮
Toyota's original solution to the restrictor problem was to cheat.
Toriodal? Lol.
subaru and rally. name a better duo
You mean Peugeot not Citroen?
VPN ads are so funny to me.
Brrrrr
And no, your silly two step rev limiter, is NOT anti lag or launch control.
Toyota? You mean audi with its umluft system.