Well done gents, really appreciate the side-by-side comparison. As someone that grew up in the 80s playing guitar, absolutely love the plethora of reasonable guitar options these days. Cheers!
I owned a LOT of guitars over the last 25 odd years but I’m gonna say honestly this is one of the best I’ve ever had, I go to it pretty much instantly most days. The neck is beautifully tinted, super thin and comfortable. The sunburst with double binding is outstanding. It didn’t really need modding but I put brass saddles on, an obsidian wireless system inside and locking tuners to get the best out of it and it just sings. Unless you’re someone who needs ‘fender’ on the headstock, you won’t need another tele if you have one of these.
Thanks for the information … some of the comments also answered a question I had . I’m impressed with your sons positive attitude . My wife and I are fostering a boy similar in age that was abandoned by his parents - drugs tore the family apart . I found your channel accidentally and Eli saw something in it that he’s never seen before . Father and son working together with respect and intelligence- I can’t explain it but he saw something more than a telecaster review . I apologize for going off topic . Keep up the good work
WOW!.. what a great comment!... Im so glad you got more than just a guitar review out of our video. Josh and I do just about everything together. I'm blessed with 3 awesome kids and Joshy is the eldest of them. I hope you your boy enjoy time together as Josh and I do. It's great to bond over learning projects. Thank you for the great reply and Josh & I so happy to have made a positive impression upon you both. Once again Thank you watching our channel.
I bought one of these back in January this year because I thought it was the best looking Telecaster of all the different models available. I was unlucky enough however to get one that had a bad 3 way switch right out of the box.
They a nice guitar for any level of playing.. The switch I would change to a better one.. Easy to do and only a few dollars.. Better than ever!.. Hope you enjoy the guitar.
Great video. I bought my Chinse Squire in 2018 but only played it a few times. I wanted a certain sound and didn't get it initially. I shelved the guitar (hung on the wall) and played it occasionally. Fast forward a few years, I bought a Fender Champion 100. Yesterday I plugged in my Squire and used the modelling channel and the sound was amazing. Just what I wanted. Thank for the great video fellas :)
Great video! I hope you guys reach thousands of subscribers, I'm glad I'm one of the first 30 subs lol. Last week I was torn between this or CV 50s, ended up getting the CV 50s. More videos to come!
Thanks for the kind review. I love both of the 60s and 50s Telecasters. Even stock they are great!.. Lot more vids to come!! Promise to get better too.
I have one of the early white classic vibe 50’s tele’s that weighs over 9 lbs. it’s a beast! Even better than 2 of the American standards I’ve had. I put a Duncan antiquity pickup in the bridge but removed it the next day. My original pickup has serious balls! Love this Tele.
Man thats rad. I want the vintage white tele and strat as well. Then one of these bound ones. Then a red 50s strat all CV. I love my 60s 3tone cv 2015 so much I can't see paying more for great sounding and feeling guitars. The best part is they are upgradeable.
Its all relative, i really like those mic pickups, clear sounding and tightens up when i roll down the Tone, this is one guitar that i wont upgrade, not necessary
Love the video. Love the vibe (get it) between you both. Looking forward to seeing how the channel develops. Good quality for now so I'm wondering what topics you'll do next!
Thanks for the positive comment. We are hoping to make another video in the. next week or two.. We have still got a whole bunch of guitars in hand to review so please stay tuned.
My 2014 CV Chinese Tele is outstanding. I bought it new and it's been rock solid. Its my do to guitar for open G and it plays great in standard E. Unfortunately I dont have another Tele to compare it too. But its my go too guitar after my American FSR Strat.
That new Switch clearly looks better than the old PCB ones on the MIC, also great to have bone nut on the new ones ! Maybe PU look cheaper, but hopefully sound better overall so that's great
I don't have an old one to compare to but I have alot of tele and lets just say it's probably my best sounding tele for what I am looking for. A bit of twang, I lost a bit when I went from 9 to 10s but needed to because the string tree wasn't keeping the high E from buzzing. It's full and throaty and powerful and a high end ring. It's perfect for one of the tele tones I've been searching for. My other teles include a custom built outfitted with Irongear stacked bridge with tap, custom built with SD broadcasters, a few custom relic teles (previously these were the tones the CV replaced), custom built with guitarfetish slick pickups, Eart tele with Tone Emporium pickups in them (this is my bright and articulate and clear pickups), I have a few earts teles I did not replace the pickups in, and then my American Twisted Tele but this once sounds like a beefed up strat only. I have some P90 strats and humbucker ones as well but the CV gives me 'my" ideal tone for the tele
I have the Indonesian model. It is such a beautiful guitar. Everyone who sees it comments how good it looks. But I have had a luthier work on it. The frets needed a polish and I upgraded the electronics and replaced the chrome saddles with compensated brass saddles. My next step is to upgrade the pickups with some quality hand-wound pickups. The stock pickups are okay but nothing special. I also have an American Standard Telecaster and that has has awesome pickups.
My brand new one had a faulty switch. The bridge pickup did not work on the first plug in. Lots of static and poor performance could be from a crappy switch.
@@stancoleshill8925 My one was nearly unplayable out of the box. It felt really strange and was buzzing all over the place. It's great now, though, after some work. A faulty switch and a pickup that doesn't work - that should be covered by warranty. So either they fix it or give you a replacement.
Happy I stumbled across you guys. Living in OZ, and looking for a double bound tele, perfect video. Keen to see the options you go for in the electrics (please post the links). Loving your channel, please keep it up.
Thanks for the positive review... I will be doing a 50s Telecaster video soon.. Also a deep dive and compare of B&Gs Crossroads "Little Sister & Step Sister" guitars... These are awesome guitars!!.. If you subscribe and click the Bell icon you will get notified when the new vids drop.. Thanks Again! Regards, Craig.
Thats what I thought too. The original owner which I bought it from said that the year this one was made was the only year that they did come with these saddles before they started moving to Indonesia. He said he left the whole guitar stock. Its a fantastic guitar.
I don't think the holes effect the bridge pickup like you think it does , you said yourself you like the Indo pickups better so.. maybe it is an improvement on the design. The Chinese guitar is by far the better built guitar solid alder bodies rosewood fretboards with Fender construction as in the truss rod hole access is partially into the fretboard like the usa counterparts , no veneers etc...
Great channel with an honest comparison. I want the Chinese version but hard to get now. Should have bought one when they were in stock. They look nicer but maybe mind over matter.
Thanks for the positive comment, glad you liked the video. Both models are very good and worth the purchase. But saying that if you get lighter one from either manufacturer that would be the one I'd go for... and just swap out the electrics for something nice and you're good to go. Over all I do prefer the Chinese made one too... just a little bit though. Cheers, Craig.
@@GearCave_RetroVibe_Guitars thanks mate for the advice. Have a couple of older 90's Squiers and I keep buying them as they are great guitars. I'll look into this one. Cheers
Just an update, bought the indo version just over $600 new. Need another project down in the cold in tassie. Just waiting for it to arrive. Purchased all the bits. Pickups I'll see what the sound like through my fender super champ amp. Hope u post another vid soon. My 9 year old son likes this channel too. Cheers mate
Hi Guys… Did you do a video where you swapped necks on the 50s and 60s Squier Tele Classic Vibes? I have both and have considered doing the same. I’d love to see what yours both turned out like. If you have, could you send me a link or some photos please? Thanks so much! Phil
Just got my adult son the baritone...nice. Got a 50's CV Tele (lefty) coming in a few days....wonder how they compare to my Japanese and USA Tele (Fender and G&L). Deals too good to pass up.
Very nice and practical video, many thanks ! I'd like also to point that the chinese is made out of alder, and the indonesian one is made of Nato / Nyatoh
Awesome video, you two work well together!! I do have a question, what is up with the “D” string on the China made Tele? It doesn’t look like it is fully seated in the back ferrule like the other strings! Oh before I forget I just subscribed! 🎸
I think it was just popping out a bit during the video as the strings were lose.. Its all OK now.. I just check it again. Thank for the kind comment mate.. Catch you on the next one!
Yes I would normally agree.. However the 1st owner bought it new and was very knowledgeable about theses guitars. The saddles were a conversation point at the time and I said exactly the same thing "Saddles are after market".. He assures me that the 2017 MIC had the compensated saddles..... Yet I can really say they are or not. Ive seen too many variances between supposed same models.... I think if they has certain parts on hand.. then thats what will be used..... Maybe!? Never the less it a cool guitar that plays and sound great.
I didn't fix it as I moved onto other guitars. I think its simply the cover touching the magnet poles. Would be an easy fix by refitting the cover so it didn't touch.
The Indonesia one doesn’t have 3 tone sunburst. It’s two tone. Chinese one looks better, has an alder body and rosewood neck also. Thanks for good comparison 👍
The Indonesian serial number starts with an "i". That's not a "1" before the "SS", it's the letter i. I looked it up for you. It is a 8/2021 made telecaster The China one: 7/2017
I noticed that to and they sure weren't brass either.I had earlier made in China model and my 60's CV Tele had the exact same chrome saddles as the one made in Indonesia in the video.My 50's Blonde Tele from 2008 did come with brass saddles,but weren't compensated,those brass saddles just make it sound better i think.
I enjoyed the video very much but I find your background music is a little loud and kind of overshadows what you're saying or when you're playing. Great comparison otherwise
Gee, your Indonesian made Tele must have the same medium jumbo frets as the MIC as you didn't mention it. My Indonesian made Squire has narrow tall frets. It has quite a different feel than the medium jumbo.
Just bought one of these for a heck of a deal but I do not want to modify it and will just sell it when it arrives. The reason for selling is I don’t want to body-mount the neck pickup. Pathetic how they’re all different and inconsistent
@@stancoleshill8925 I didn’t pay attention to or was aware of how the neck pickup is mounted until after it arrived. I’ve had other teles which were body mounted. The pickguard mounted one is a little bit microphonic in comparison
Not sure about the teles, but the indonesian made jazzmasters and jaguars I played today all felt inferior to the made in china ones. The necks feel unfinished. Its not even a satin finish, its like raw wood. Sharp fret ends, rough frets. Bad setup. Cheaper knobs, wonky pickup selector switch, bridge issues, notes fretting out. Not a fan of how light the indian laurel fretboard wood looks. My made in china j mascis jazzmaster feels like a fender custom shop by comparison.
Interesting....there is a review on YT which compares the tonerider-specced tele to a before and after fitting of 'Custom Shop Texas-Specials'....very difficult to discern any difference: ua-cam.com/video/KNi_B_Mxizw/v-deo.html Also....original teles were quite microphonic on the neck pup....
Totally understand.. The second hand market is not giving money to the CCP.. Its already gone and paid buy the retail buyer.... So all good. Go buy the Chinese made one CCP Free!
Thank you for the most simple minded comment so far.. We are a father and son just having fun with our shared hobby and interests... You can just clip on by mate. No need for your simpleton negativity. Keep in mind there is a child present.
Well done gents, really appreciate the side-by-side comparison. As someone that grew up in the 80s playing guitar, absolutely love the plethora of reasonable guitar options these days. Cheers!
I owned a LOT of guitars over the last 25 odd years but I’m gonna say honestly this is one of the best I’ve ever had, I go to it pretty much instantly most days. The neck is beautifully tinted, super thin and comfortable. The sunburst with double binding is outstanding. It didn’t really need modding but I put brass saddles on, an obsidian wireless system inside and locking tuners to get the best out of it and it just sings. Unless you’re someone who needs ‘fender’ on the headstock, you won’t need another tele if you have one of these.
Thanks for the information … some of the comments also answered a question I had . I’m impressed with your sons positive attitude . My wife and I are fostering a boy similar in age that was abandoned by his parents - drugs tore the family apart . I found your channel accidentally and Eli saw something in it that he’s never seen before . Father and son working together with respect and intelligence- I can’t explain it but he saw something more than a telecaster review .
I apologize for going off topic . Keep up the good work
WOW!.. what a great comment!... Im so glad you got more than just a guitar review out of our video. Josh and I do just about everything together. I'm blessed with 3 awesome kids and Joshy is the eldest of them. I hope you your boy enjoy time together as Josh and I do. It's great to bond over learning projects. Thank you for the great reply and Josh & I so happy to have made a positive impression upon you both. Once again Thank you watching our channel.
I bought one of these back in January this year because I thought it was the best looking Telecaster of all the different models available. I was unlucky enough however to get one that had a bad 3 way switch right out of the box.
They a nice guitar for any level of playing.. The switch I would change to a better one.. Easy to do and only a few dollars.. Better than ever!.. Hope you enjoy the guitar.
Great video. I bought my Chinse Squire in 2018 but only played it a few times. I wanted a certain sound and didn't get it initially. I shelved the guitar (hung on the wall) and played it occasionally. Fast forward a few years, I bought a Fender Champion 100. Yesterday I plugged in my Squire and used the modelling channel and the sound was amazing. Just what I wanted.
Thank for the great video fellas :)
Thanks for your comment.. Glad you dig your Squire.
This is high quality videos. Wonder how you don't have more followers. Nice video!
Great video! I hope you guys reach thousands of subscribers, I'm glad I'm one of the first 30 subs lol. Last week I was torn between this or CV 50s, ended up getting the CV 50s. More videos to come!
Thanks for the kind review. I love both of the 60s and 50s Telecasters. Even stock they are great!.. Lot more vids to come!! Promise to get better too.
I have one of the early white classic vibe 50’s tele’s that weighs over 9 lbs. it’s a beast! Even better than 2 of the American standards I’ve had. I put a Duncan antiquity pickup in the bridge but removed it the next day. My original pickup has serious balls! Love this Tele.
Man thats rad. I want the vintage white tele and strat as well. Then one of these bound ones. Then a red 50s strat all CV. I love my 60s 3tone cv 2015 so much I can't see paying more for great sounding and feeling guitars. The best part is they are upgradeable.
The CVC (China) that i bought comes with Threaded Saddles, IMO that´s more "traditional"?
I think the threaded one were a 60s thing... Maybe?
Its all relative, i really like those mic pickups, clear sounding and tightens up when i roll down the Tone, this is one guitar that i wont upgrade, not necessary
It needs a better switch.
Great video and love the guitars on the wall!
Great video fellas, looking forward to your future content.
Thank you for watching and the positive feedback.... More videos to come.
What a fantastic video ..
thank you boys 👍🏻
Really informative and fun ..
Can’t wait to watch all the others now ..
love the teles !!🎸
What a great comment... Thank you!
Great video fellas! Very informative, thanks 😊
Love the video. Love the vibe (get it) between you both. Looking forward to seeing how the channel develops. Good quality for now so I'm wondering what topics you'll do next!
Thanks for the positive comment. We are hoping to make another video in the. next week or two.. We have still got a whole bunch of guitars in hand to review so please stay tuned.
My 2014 CV Chinese Tele is outstanding. I bought it new and it's been rock solid. Its my do to guitar for open G and it plays great in standard E. Unfortunately I dont have another Tele to compare it too. But its my go too guitar after my American FSR Strat.
That new Switch clearly looks better than the old PCB ones on the MIC, also great to have bone nut on the new ones ! Maybe PU look cheaper, but hopefully sound better overall so that's great
I don't have an old one to compare to but I have alot of tele and lets just say it's probably my best sounding tele for what I am looking for. A bit of twang, I lost a bit when I went from 9 to 10s but needed to because the string tree wasn't keeping the high E from buzzing. It's full and throaty and powerful and a high end ring. It's perfect for one of the tele tones I've been searching for. My other teles include a custom built outfitted with Irongear stacked bridge with tap, custom built with SD broadcasters, a few custom relic teles (previously these were the tones the CV replaced), custom built with guitarfetish slick pickups, Eart tele with Tone Emporium pickups in them (this is my bright and articulate and clear pickups), I have a few earts teles I did not replace the pickups in, and then my American Twisted Tele but this once sounds like a beefed up strat only. I have some P90 strats and humbucker ones as well but the CV gives me 'my" ideal tone for the tele
Classic vibe are Just Amazing!
Except for the switch.
@@stancoleshill8925 i agree
Very nice guy's. Most relaxing part between 15.22 and 15.25. Guess why.
Lose the background music for these videos, please. Otherwise, cool comparison.
I have the Indonesian model. It is such a beautiful guitar. Everyone who sees it comments how good it looks. But I have had a luthier work on it. The frets needed a polish and I upgraded the electronics and replaced the chrome saddles with compensated brass saddles. My next step is to upgrade the pickups with some quality hand-wound pickups. The stock pickups are okay but nothing special. I also have an American Standard Telecaster and that has has awesome pickups.
My brand new one had a faulty switch. The bridge pickup did not work on the first plug in. Lots of static and poor performance could be from a crappy switch.
@@stancoleshill8925 My one was nearly unplayable out of the box. It felt really strange and was buzzing all over the place. It's great now, though, after some work.
A faulty switch and a pickup that doesn't work - that should be covered by warranty. So either they fix it or give you a replacement.
Happy I stumbled across you guys. Living in OZ, and looking for a double bound tele, perfect video. Keen to see the options you go for in the electrics (please post the links). Loving your channel, please keep it up.
Thanks for the positive review... I will be doing a 50s Telecaster video soon.. Also a deep dive and compare of B&Gs Crossroads "Little Sister & Step Sister" guitars... These are awesome guitars!!.. If you subscribe and click the Bell icon you will get notified when the new vids drop.. Thanks Again! Regards, Craig.
Compensated saddles didn't come stock on the China version.
Thats what I thought too. The original owner which I bought it from said that the year this one was made was the only year that they did come with these saddles before they started moving to Indonesia. He said he left the whole guitar stock. Its a fantastic guitar.
Good stuff 👍
I am number 41 :) all the best guys
I don't think the holes effect the bridge pickup like you think it does , you said yourself you like the Indo pickups better so.. maybe it is an improvement on the design. The Chinese guitar is by far the better built guitar solid alder bodies rosewood fretboards with Fender construction as in the truss rod hole access is partially into the fretboard like the usa counterparts , no veneers etc...
Great job guys😎this Is an Amazing Guitar, i GOT One and i love It💯
Great channel with an honest comparison. I want the Chinese version but hard to get now. Should have bought one when they were in stock. They look nicer but maybe mind over matter.
Thanks for the positive comment, glad you liked the video. Both models are very good and worth the purchase. But saying that if you get lighter one from either manufacturer that would be the one I'd go for... and just swap out the electrics for something nice and you're good to go. Over all I do prefer the Chinese made one too... just a little bit though. Cheers, Craig.
@@GearCave_RetroVibe_Guitars thanks mate for the advice. Have a couple of older 90's Squiers and I keep buying them as they are great guitars. I'll look into this one. Cheers
Just an update, bought the indo version just over $600 new. Need another project down in the cold in tassie. Just waiting for it to arrive. Purchased all the bits. Pickups I'll see what the sound like through my fender super champ amp. Hope u post another vid soon. My 9 year old son likes this channel too.
Cheers mate
Very nice video. Thanks. Greetings from Chile!
Thank you from Australia!
Hi Guys…
Did you do a video where you swapped necks on the 50s and 60s Squier Tele Classic Vibes?
I have both and have considered doing the same. I’d love to see what yours both turned out like.
If you have, could you send me a link or some photos please?
Thanks so much!
Phil
Its a video Josh and I are going to do. Stay tuned! Coming soon
Good comparison review.
Background music was annoying though
A few people have complained about the background music. Hence, we have stopped using a year ago. Thanks for the comment and watching our video.
Just got my adult son the baritone...nice. Got a 50's CV Tele (lefty) coming in a few days....wonder how they compare to my Japanese and USA Tele (Fender and G&L). Deals too good to pass up.
No clicky on my indo tele. Jack comes loose as normal. Sounds great.
Very nice and practical video, many thanks !
I'd like also to point that the chinese is made out of alder, and the indonesian one is made of Nato / Nyatoh
Awesome video, you two work well together!! I do have a question, what is up with the “D” string on the China made Tele? It doesn’t look like it is fully seated in the back ferrule like the other strings! Oh before I forget I just subscribed! 🎸
I think it was just popping out a bit during the video as the strings were lose.. Its all OK now.. I just check it again. Thank for the kind comment mate.. Catch you on the next one!
Hey looks like you have after market compensated brass saddles on the MIC not stock
Yes I would normally agree.. However the 1st owner bought it new and was very knowledgeable about theses guitars. The saddles were a conversation point at the time and I said exactly the same thing "Saddles are after market".. He assures me that the 2017 MIC had the compensated saddles..... Yet I can really say they are or not. Ive seen too many variances between supposed same models.... I think if they has certain parts on hand.. then thats what will be used..... Maybe!? Never the less it a cool guitar that plays and sound great.
My MIC 2017 came with steel saddles
@@mionapinyon6098 Good to know.. Thanks.
What was the fox for microphonic pickup cover? Did you wax pot it?
I didn't fix it as I moved onto other guitars. I think its simply the cover touching the magnet poles. Would be an easy fix by refitting the cover so it didn't touch.
@@GraphicwrapsAu yep remove cover or repot the whole thing including the cover. Dylan talks tone has a video on how to do it using an old slow cooker
@@MrSongwriter2 Dylan is a good source of information. I might try the wax potting it. Would be easiest way to fix it.
great job !
The Indonesia one doesn’t have 3 tone sunburst. It’s two tone. Chinese one looks better, has an alder body and rosewood neck also. Thanks for good comparison 👍
Chinese CV guitars were made by Grand Reward, that's why they have the CGS prefix- China, Grand Reward, Squier.
Great comparison. I think you read your scale wrong, though. The Chinese one weighs 3.585, not 3.85 😃 keep up the good work!
The Indonesian serial number starts with an "i". That's not a "1" before the "SS", it's the letter i.
I looked it up for you. It is a 8/2021 made telecaster
The China one: 7/2017
Great! thanks for the info.. Also thanks for watching..
They didn't come with compensated saddles. Someone added those after they bought it.
I noticed that to and they sure weren't brass either.I had earlier made in China model and my 60's CV Tele had the exact same chrome saddles as the one made in Indonesia in the video.My 50's Blonde Tele from 2008 did come with brass saddles,but weren't compensated,those brass saddles just make it sound better i think.
Great!.. Thank you for your comment.
Do they both have same the neck thickness?
Both neck feel the same to me.
sobscroibed. Great vid!
(Politics aside) The Chinese made instruments are better in my opinion. They have nicer finishes and better overall quality in my experience.
I agree. Both are a great, however the MIC models that I have are just a little bit more likeable.
Indonesia has upped the game in the last few years. They're getting close to Japanese from the 80s.
Yes I agree, Indonesia OEM manufacturing is producing some world class instruments. Thank you for your commetn.
I have had a few Indonesia Squiers all were excellent builds !
I enjoyed the video very much but I find your background music is a little loud and kind of overshadows what you're saying or when you're playing. Great comparison otherwise
New sub friends!Nice job!
Thanks Mate!!!
I always preferred the look of the older Chinese ones the logo on the headstock makes it look less long , too bad their getting harder to find
Gee, your Indonesian made Tele must have the same medium jumbo frets as the MIC as you didn't mention it. My Indonesian made Squire has narrow tall frets. It has quite a different feel than the medium jumbo.
My Custom 60s has narrow tall frets too. I thought al CV guitars from this era have narrow tall?
Just bought one of these for a heck of a deal but I do not want to modify it and will just sell it when it arrives.
The reason for selling is I don’t want to body-mount the neck pickup. Pathetic how they’re all different and inconsistent
Why buy it in the first place ? ? ?
@@stancoleshill8925 I didn’t pay attention to or was aware of how the neck pickup is mounted until after it arrived. I’ve had other teles which were body mounted. The pickguard mounted one is a little bit microphonic in comparison
Prefer the Indonesian ones myself
Not sure about the teles, but the indonesian made jazzmasters and jaguars I played today all felt inferior to the made in china ones. The necks feel unfinished. Its not even a satin finish, its like raw wood. Sharp fret ends, rough frets. Bad setup. Cheaper knobs, wonky pickup selector switch, bridge issues, notes fretting out. Not a fan of how light the indian laurel fretboard wood looks. My made in china j mascis jazzmaster feels like a fender custom shop by comparison.
chinese one is grand reward factory,the indo either cortek or samick,probably cortek
the chinese made one looks to have better grain. the indonesian looks like mystery wood to me.
Turn down the background music!
Interesting....there is a review on YT which compares the tonerider-specced tele to a before and after fitting of 'Custom Shop Texas-Specials'....very difficult to discern any difference:
ua-cam.com/video/KNi_B_Mxizw/v-deo.html
Also....original teles were quite microphonic on the neck pup....
3.85 kilo? The display says 3.58.
Hi
2017 cv 60s made in Quanfeng。no axl。
Grand Reward factory.
I just don’t want to give my money to the CCP….
Totally understand.. The second hand market is not giving money to the CCP.. Its already gone and paid buy the retail buyer.... So all good. Go buy the Chinese made one CCP Free!
Can't take them serious with those hats
That's OK, its a fun channel. Hats and your thing.. Thanks for watching..
not 3.85 but 8.58 kg. !!!!!
Welcome to the gay cave
Thank you for the most simple minded comment so far.. We are a father and son just having fun with our shared hobby and interests... You can just clip on by mate. No need for your simpleton negativity. Keep in mind there is a child present.