Sunfire HRS-12 Subwoofer - Craigslist $350 - MSRP $1,099
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Sunfire HRS-12 Home Theater Subwoofer - Craigslist $350 - MSRP $1,099
Average Guy HiFi Rating - 42/50 = 84%
Demo: Mad Max Fury Road 4K
Website:
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Amazon link:
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Between Tron: Legacy and Mad Max Fury Road these have to be my all time favorite movies for testing speakers. Real stress tests!
What Was Included:
Sunfire HRS-12
Link to Sunfire’s website:
www.sunfire.co...
Type - Sealed (acoustic suspension) enclosure
Woofer - 12” extra long throw
RMS Power - 1,000-watt amplifier (continuous power)
Frequency response - 18 - 100 Hz
Cabinet - Gloss Black
Dimensions - 13-9/16"W x 13-3/4"H x 15-7/16"D
Weight: 38 lbs.
MSRP Value - $1,099
Where I Purchased - Craigslist
Price Paid ~ $350 (~ because it came with other speakers)
Condition - 85% (not included in the Average Guy Hi-Fi score)
Not in perfect shape as it has a couple blemishes in the gloss black finish but it’s in very good shape.
Quality - 8.5
This a sturdy little subwoofer. The cabinet feels stout and the driver feels even stouter.
When you lean down to pick it up, you will probably underestimate it’s heft, due to its small size, you will likely be surprised. It is a dense little subwoofer!
Bass - 9.0
I was loving the deep so much that I kept this great subwoofer in my system for an extra week and that’s saying a lot as that delayed 2 other subwoofer reviews.
The bass is deep and powerful, especially when you factor in the small size.
MSRP Rating - 8
Like the Martin Logan Abyss I recently reviewed, at a little over $1,000, the competition gets pretty stiff.
The performance is outstanding so that allows me to give it a great score, even though it’s expensive.
Aesthetics - 8
I really like the looks of the subwoofer, but the beveled top edges aren’t my cup of tea.
Minus that little gripe, I absolutely love the looks of 12” woofers with large surrounds, like the HRS-12 offers. Those types of woofers look violent even while unplugged.
Price Paid Value - 8.5
$350 is an amazing deal for this subwoofer, especially considering you can still buy it at the MSRP of $1,099. In fact, this subwoofer sold before I even reviewed it to a friend here locally.
Average Guy HiFi Rating - 42/50 = 84%
Final thoughts -
This is an amazing performer, especially considering it’s diminished stature.
This is one little violent subwoofer and it will find rattles you never thought you had. You’ve been warned!
Other Equipment used: ELAN THP650LS x3, ELAN THP525LS x2, Denon AVR-X3300W Receiver, Marantz MM7055 Amplifier, LG C9 OLED 65” TV, LG 4K Blu-ray Player, Panamax M7500-PRO, Xbox One X
Subscriber Count At The Time Of This Video - 384
(massive jump from the last video, thanks to a shout-out from my buddy Youthman!)
Yo lo compre hace poco y me dejo impresionado por sus increíbles bajos es una bestia. Pero es verdad que suelen tener problemas, sobre todo con los condensadores electrolítico que se acaban secando del calor que se genera dentro y de dejarlos en mode espera. Yo lo compre de segunda mano pero como nuevo y al llegar a casa para probarlo tenía ese problema de condensadores. Fue una reparación barata y esta dando un sonido increíble.
También hay que darles un volumen moderado y no ponerlos al maximo, hay que saber disfrutar de los graves profundos sin distorsiones brutales.
Es lo malo de los sub sellados que no disipan el calor. Tengo un subwoofer Monitor audio silver w12, y el sunfire le supera en graves.
Wow! I follow Michael (Youthman) for a few years. I never heard a shout out but discovered you by accident. So glad I did! Don't tell him - but I probably watch you more than him! Him and Joe N Tell and Techno Dad have got so technical and high end - it is so refreshing to come watch you for us regular guys!
I love all those guys and I am constantly listing to them while cooking and cleaning.
They have been making videos much longer than I have and they are much mite polished but I’ve probably owned more speakers than most so I thought I’d throw my hat into the UA-cam audio “review” arena.
I truly appreciate your continued support, Les!
Very nice Review😀
Do U think this Sub can replace my much bigger Velo DD15 SUb? The Point is, i dont need high Volumes...,
had my DD15 max. 30% turned up. But need the high Quality low and precise Bass in low-mid Volumes.
What do U think?
No way! You already have one of the best sealed subs on the market, for its time and size. The Velodyne DD series subs were extremely accurate due to the power and the Servo technology.
This little sub is just fantastic but it can’t compete with that beast of a sub you already have:)
@@blazermdx U could be right..., iam pretty happy with this Monster. But the Specs of the HRS12 are even better than on my Dd15...the HRS12 goes down to 18Hz...., but the DD15 only down to 20hz...hats pretty strange..., So iam pretty curious the smaller HRS12 could even sound deeper......And another Point is the pretty high Power consumption of the DD15...the HRS12 needs only the half Power...ANd energy cost in Germany are momentary pretty high...(: because of our stupid Government and wrong energy Policy...So i still think the HRS12 could be a pretty good Replacement...I think i will try it...and will let U know the Results...there are some good offers here in Germany for 600-700 bucks for the HRS12. Life is beautiful and i love experiments (:
These are great subs, they go loud and hit very low but they have some many issues with the amplifier section, there are more non-working ones for sale, than working ones!
I’ve read that but I’ve read that about just about all that about all of the subwoofer manufacturers.
Heat kills electronics. It would be nice if a couple manufacturers added silent fans to sealed subwoofers, to help dissipate the heat. I don’t think ported subwoofers are as prone to failure but I could be wrong
I think forums can magnify issues as just about nobody posts when their subwoofer is functional but just about everyone posts when products go bad, to try to find a solution.
I honestly believe that the high powered subwoofers go through amps, unfortunately. I’ve had a bad SVS sub, Martin Logan subs, Velodyne, Klipsch and I’m sitting next to a $1,900 REL with a bad amp.
Subwoofers seem to be more prone to failure than just about all other HT gear. That’s really why I like the manufacturers that offer 5 year warranties with their products. At least you are guaranteed the subwoofer to be functional during that time.
I know Sunfire has made improvements, with their newer models, so I wouldn’t hesitate to buy them over and over. This is one of the best performing, small, subs I’ve ever owned.
With all of that said, I’ve definitely seen and purchased broken subwoofers in the past, like this REL, which are totally worth repairing.
You are observant though as I have come across hundreds of broken, high dollar subwoofers over the years. Thank you again for stopping by!
I GOTTA HAVE 1 OF THESE BEAST SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE TOO MAKE MY LISTENING AREA SOUND SATSFAICTORY ....
Excellent subs but they are getting pretty long in the tooth. If you snag one on the 2nd hand market, just make sure you test it out.
They are about as good as you can get, in such a compact size!
@@blazermdxyo conseguí uno por 150 euros y tenia un problema de la fuente de alimentación, poca cosa. Pero es un tanque y suena brutal.
I will be getting this sub used next week. Thanks for your video. cause you made me confident to buy it.
does this subwoofer used to shown problems, defects?
Subwoofers are addicting, I stared with one now I have 5... the latest is a 21”. I don’t use them all at once just kinda switch through them depending on what I’m feeling
21”?! Haha! That’s next level, right there.
Yeah, I’m with you. The subwoofer rabbit hole is slippery but a ton of fun. I think getting a new sub is better than getting new speakers. It’s pretty amazing how different subs sound, in-room.
Cheers, my friend!
@@blazermdx cheers 🍻
You mentioned that you prefer subs with passive radiators, what are the pro & cons of that style? Thanks!
The pros of passive radiator subs are that you will get more oomph out of the same driver and you can accomplish this in a smaller package.
There are cons but I can only think of one at the moment, passive radiator subs are generally more expensive.
I’m sure we all interpret bass a little differently but I’ve always liked the punchy bass, the passive radiator subs provide. I’ve probably owned 12 or passive radiator subs over the years.
Brands that offer/offerer passive radiator subs are Sunfire, GoldenEar, Definitive Technology, Episode etc. you should check them out:)
Thanks for stopping by!
What is the xmax of the driver. Does the plate amp drive 4 ohm loads?
My theater is away from being done but let me know if you wand to review one of my 24" Stereo Integrity subs. It blows away sub I've ever owned.
Haha! 24” SI subs?! You don’t mess around, do you?
Where are you located? I would love to hear those monsters in action, once this COVID situation is over.
Thank you for the offer and taking the time to comment!
I have a question..I got my HRS 12 from Reverb brand new supposedly..got it in original box and packaging..looked and smelled new..shined a flashlight on it noticed light swirls and scratches barely noticeable..I noticed since it gloss its a fingerprint magnet so maybe the manufacturer cleaned the subwoofer before putting in the box ..do you think its unusual ?? Subwoofer sounds great and I'm barely breaking it in..The seller stated it was brand new
Found one locally for 130$ should I buy it?
I want this and would love to buy it
Hey Brandon! Unfortunately, this sub is long gone. It seems local people are subscribing to my channel, so they know what gear I will be listing, when I’m finished reviewing the gear. These subs and speakers are usually sold before I can make the ads.
The good news is, that you can just set up searches in your local area, on websites like FB Marketplace, OfferUp etc. As long as you are flexible on brands and are willing to drive, there are deals to be had.
Fell free to reach out, if you come across something that looks interesting and maybe I can help steer you in the right direction.
Thanks for stopping by!
For a $1200 sub, I'm surprised the surround isn't rubber. I have a lot of speakers acquired over the past 50 years. Everything with a treated cloth or rubber surround is still good as new. But the few with foam surrounds all failed within 10 years.
I’m with you! I definitely prefer rubber surrounds but this is supposed to be a longer lasting rubber/foam surround.
I still prefer rubber, so I can put rubber conditioner on them.
Great comment!
Have u done reviews of subs with dual active drivers in it then?. Like the arendal subs and others like it then?.
I had to really give this some thought. I’ve owned 12 or so passive radiator subs and about 4 tri-active subs but I don’t think I’ve ever owned dual-active subs over the years. Sorry.
Arendal sure is making some big waves here in the US, lately. Hopefully they see my little channel and send me a sub or some speakers to review. Wishful thinking, I know. Haha
Sorry I couldn’t be of any help, my friend! Be sure to let me know if you pick one up, I’d love to hear your thoughts if you grab a dual- active sub. I’ll also keep my eyes peeled.
@@blazermdx b&w have also a dual driver series subs with the db1d, db2d and the db3d. Reading very good reviews of these subs.
Hello, I really liked the video, I would like to ask you a question that does not close me, I want to know how to connect my hrs12 to my reciver well, I have an onkyo tx-nr575 with a set of sks-HT870 speakers, my question is the 2nd subwoofer the hrs12 has highline input and output, I have it connected in highline output directly to the second subwoofer output of the receiver 1 single cable: BlueRigger Dual Shielded Subwoofer Audio RCA to RCA. I want to know if that is ok or should I connect in imput
I think these are 8-10 years old, so it’s older technology but a goodie. I’m an SVS SB4000 guy.. and boy that thing will have the neighbors call the police on you for disturbing the neighborhood and I have a 2400 sq ft house. Nice review, I remember years ago, I wanted the 8 inch version bad.
I used to drool over these subs back in the day, also! I wanted the 10” version but there was no way I could have spent that much money on a sub.
The PC-4000’s are on my short list, when I finally move into a house with a dedicated room. I just love those cylinder subs from SVS.
I’m currently testing out a SB-16 Ultra at the moment. It’s a total monster. Haha
With the variable phase adjustment I wonder how well they integrate compared to the rythmiks.
This thing looks cool... I feel like that excursion range it seems more like a 13” or 14” driver... also the box design looks the Velodyne sub you reviewed.
These smaller subs, with big amps have some pretty wild excursion. I was barely testing this sub’s abilities in the video, otherwise my microphone would get overwhelmed.
Your correct, very similar design to a couple of the Velodyne subs I’ve reviewed. Good call!
Thanks again, for helping support the channel. Happy holidays!
Nice video, always wanted to see one of these and your editing is fine IMO
Thanks for the compliment!
I need to make improvements to the editing, to catch up to the home audio UA-camrs that I follow. I’ll get there:)
Thank you for stopping by and for taking the time to comment!
@ Average Guy Hi-Fi, how does the hrs 12 match up with the SVS Sb 3000. They tend to have the same anatomy, i.e, size and build quality. And I plan on getting the svs sb 3000, so kindly advise on which one I should go for? Thanks.
I think Subwoofer technology and reliability has come a long ways, the past 10 years.
Unfortunately, I don’t have any experience with the SB3000 but I have owned SB2000’s, SB13 Ultra and various other SVS subs. I’ve read many reviews about the 3000, from people that I know and trust and it sounds like an awesome performer.
I wouldn’t hesitate buying a SB3000, just seems like a very good Subwoofer, backed by a great company with great customer service and a great warranty.
This Sunfire is no slouch, I can assure you that, but I love the peace of mind that buying new comes with, especially when it comes to subwoofers, which seem prone to more failures.
I say get it, just let me know what you think when you do!
Thank you for stopping by and for the question, keep them coming!
Sorry, had to edit this post. Realized I was using the name of the Velodyne HGS12 that I’m currently reviewing. My apologies!
Man your apartment must be built like a tank or you have some super nice neighbors? Keep up the good work!
It’s actually pretty well built so I don’t hear much from them and I hope they don’t hear much from me but I doubt it😬
They are also pretty cool, so that helps. I’ve even been thinking about giving them some home theater gear, so they are less likely to complain. Haha
Thank for stopping by!
Hello, and how does it compare to the SVS sb2000
The SVS lacks depth, is slow, one note sounding and under powered. This Sunfire is one of the subs that compete with my Velodyne DD12 in speed and punch. SVS's are overrated, pretty much any Sunfire or Velodyne is going to outperform them in speed and grip, even the sb16. Just take a look at the surrounds of SVS's, they're tiny, there's little to do there, it's basic physics
@@juanbaclavab interesting, thanks for answering
Ou peut on l'acheter en France merci ?
Have you tested a sunfire 12inch signature series? have a chance to buy one at $350
Sorry for the delay! I had the Signature 12 a few years ago. It’s a compact monster but it’s really starting to show its age.
Sunfire made the best compact subs at the time, but they are around 25 years old now. Some are newer than that and some are older. The problem is the amps are now prone to failure.
$350 is a great deal for that sub, if it’s fully functional. I’d definitely test it out and be prepared to have the amp serviced.
Just my thoughts. I’m a big Sunfire fan!
@@blazermdx Yeah i was thinking the same thing about its age.In your opinion is it more powerful and more bass than the sb 2000 i just got?
@@Kings-vs7om it would actually be close, in my opinion. I’ve never actually measured both, but I’ve owned both.
I’d actually put my money on total output on the Sunfire but it’s probably not worth the swap.
If I were you, I’d grab the Sunfire, at that price, and run the side by side. You should have no problems getting your money back out of the Sunfire, if it doesn’t improve things in your room.
That’s how I’ve owned so many and tested so many speakers. I try to only buy the gear I can break even on, if I’m not a fan.
Just go test it and grab it. You might be surprised at just how good that Sunfire is. But I’m a big fan of the SB-2000, so it will put up one hell of a fight.
@@blazermdx Awesome Thanks for the good advice.
I have HRS-10, and i want this one. :)
The HRS-10 is no slouch. I say grab another and be done:)
Thanks for stopping by, my man!!
Is this foam surround?!?
Yes, this sub had a rubberized foam surround. I think that’s just a fancy way to say foam though.
That surround is bigger than my dreams.........
I had 2 HRS-10s. I had to sell them. They were over shadowed by the 8 inch Velodyne SPL800. Both subs had a hum which drove me crazy.
Yeah, I am very particular about any hiss or hum coming from my speakers or subwoofers. I am not flexible on this at all.
Luckily, this monster was silent as a mouse.
I’ve owned some big power amps over the years that has a noticeable hiss with efficient speakers. Not acceptable, even slightly. That stuff drives me 😜
I didn't find your channel through Youthman but I am a subscriber of his coincidentally.
No matter how you found me, I’m just happy you’re here!
Thank you for subscribing, my friend!
@@blazermdx Actually I found you because I looked up the Sunfire hrs-12 sub.
You see I found one next to the dumpster out behind where I work.
someone just left it there so I was looking around for any kind of repair video for the unit.
so far so good I brought it home cleaned it up plugged it in and it's working seems to be working fine.
Holy cow! That’s awesome! Haha
Congratulations on the “new”, killer subwoofer!
I have on and it just stopped working. It comes on and I feel the power coming to it. No sound. I use it in my small home theater.
Sorry to hear that! That doesn’t sound good, since it turns on and doesn’t work. Probably a bad amplifier..
I would reach out to Sunfire, to see if that model number is still under warranty or to see if they can help you troubleshoot the issues. Otherwise, you will have to take it to a amplifier repair shop:/
I also have the Rythmik fv15hp. It’s insane, I’m surprised you don’t see more videos on them. If you ever decide to sell it I’m in Puyallup, hit me up!
It is a beast, that’s for sure!
I just talked my friend into picking up a pair. I’m about as excited to hear duals as he is to receive them. Haha
I will likely never sell it but I will hit you up, if I ever do. Cheers, my friend!
@@blazermdx hi, definitive technology supercube||| vs this hrs 8
Hmm. To be honest, they are more similar than different. Both will have similar performance in compact packages and both are high powered.
I’d give the slight advantage, in terms of depth, to the HRS. I’d give the higher bass frequencies advantage to the SuperCube due to the passive radiators.
In a blind test, I’d be hard pressed to tell the difference. Both are killer options, considering their tiny size.
Thanks for the question and for stopping by!
How would we contact you if we wanted to purchase your finds that are for sale?!
Loving the Videos 👍👌🔊
Hello! I am getting asked that quite frequently these days😆
Unfortunately, unless you are in the Seattle area, it wouldn’t work. I am spending all my free time grabbing the gear, researching the gear, shooting the gear and then making the ads to sell the gear. Shipping isn’t an option.
I shot the video and literally witching 2 hours, someone has already taken it home.
All of this around my normal job, which consists of 50 hour work weeks. Good thing I’m single😆
Thank you for the compliment and for taking the time to comment.
@@blazermdx Yep, I definitely understand the 50/60 hour work weeks! No problem, Thanks for taking the time to Respond.
One day, I hope to be able to ship smaller items to subscribers but that’s probably down the road.
Thanks again and happy Friday, my friend!
Have you sold this?
Yes, this sold a while back. The equipment is selling pretty rapidly, here locally, once the videos go live.
It’s a great sub, I wish you luck if you’re trying to track one down!
Hey. I'm in the same area as you too. Came to this video since a local was selling the 8 inch of this.
How much
I saw those, if they were the same ones. Was it a pair for $800?
Sunfire subs are pretty popular in this area, due to Bob Carver being up in Snohomish.
Nice to meet another local audio fan!
@@blazermdx well I just learned something yeah I'm up in the Everett area I'm going to have to look up Bob Carver
@@blazermdx hi I bought hsr 10 how do I connect it to my receiver ? I have one single subwoofer cable where do I plug it in in red or white ???
@@yannolove1335 If the version of the HRS-10 doesn’t have an LFE input, you should order a Y splitter off Amazon.
You can connect the cable to either the L or R input on the sub to get you by, until the spitter comes in. You might not even notice a difference adding the Y-Splitter but it’s so cheap, I would try it both ways.
Here’s a link to what you need:
www.amazon.com/FosPower-Subwoofer-Splitter-Connectors-Extension/dp/B01LZVLBY3/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?dchild=1&keywords=y-splitter+rca+subwoofer&qid=1612326965&sr=8-14
I like your reviews but why do you put a sticker on the cones. That is very distracting and I think about it leaving a mark when removed which drives me crazy.
Sorry, I heard you explain why you do that but I don't think it is needed. The excursion of the subs is easily viewable so I wouldn't do to remove any risk of damaging the cone upon removal.
Yeah, I sometimes put a sticker on the cone to give some contrast, in hopes of showing the excursion a little better. The stickers just peel right off, as I only put them on briefly for the video.
I haven’t used the stickers the last couple videos though. Some people comment that they like them and others comment that they don’t. What to do? Haha
Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it!
You always praise Hsu, SVS and Rhythmik subs but you should be a fan of Sunfire subs, they're the home team!
Please look at your lens, not your screen. Otherwise, great videos.
My brother told me the same thing so I know this is an issue I need to address. I tell myself this before the video starts but then I start looking at my notes and myself, which has to be annoying.
Thank you for the advice, I’ll definitely take it to heart!
FOR NOW (KLIPSCH AND CERWIN VEGA WILL HALF TO DO) PIECE AND STAY LISTENING TO GOOD JAMZ.
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It’s Dustin but what’s up, my man?
@@blazermdx Gotcha. when you said your name it reminded me of the channel "smarter every day".
I had never heard of that channel but I just looked it up. Looks like some awesome content.
Thanks for bringing that channel to my attention!
an $1100 sub is hardly entry level
I just bought the Audioengine S8 Sub for $500 here in Canada so $350 American but your Sunfire sub would eat my 8" Audioengine sub for breakfast and i'm impressed by the volume and sound of my sub
Yeah, I definitely don’t consider this an entry subwoofer. It is really a top performer, with size taken into consideration.
Congratulations on the AudioEngine sub! I’m really impressed with AudioEngine and their quality. In fact, I just picked up a pair of Bamboo A5+ bookshelf speakers for my boss. He loves them.
Thanks for stopping by!
@@blazermdx You mentioned the word "entry level" in the video about this sub but you must have been talking about the cost of what you paid for it used ($350)
I also have the A5's with my sub but not the bamboo versions, those are the fancy pants version that look nicer than mine
Plz subwoofer insad video
I’m sorry, what was your request?
That's 10x the sub you'd need for that room. Audio guys kill me with how overdone their systems are LOL
I now have 2 REL 15’s. If you’re not overdoing it, you’re not doing it. Just kidding. Haha
I’m the type that seems to overdo it with everything. At least I’m consistent:)
Good videos. You asked for constructive criticism. I could do without the "demo" part of the video. There are so many variables between you recording a sound in your room and us listening to it on our phone or computer that it's basically useless. Rather, instead of your "talking head" style videos, I would like to see some "artsy" shots (slow mo) of the product under review and some excursion shots, while you talk over them. Does that make sense? I just prefer not to just watch a dude sitting in front of the camera for 10 minutes talking. Lol. Peace.
I totally get that perspective and appreciate the feedback!
Unfortunately, with my limited editing skills, at least for the time being, I’m limited in how artsy I can make my videos appear.
I only show the speakers and subwoofers playing, so viewers don’t have to just sit and watch me ramble, like I tend to do. I also state in many of my videos aren’t a good way to judge a speakers sound, too many variables involved.
The good news is that there are so many reviewers out there that have much better editing skills and who are more precise with their economy of words, so everyone has options.
My style definitely isn’t for everyone, I totally get it. Thanks again for the feedback, I really do appreciate constructive criticism!
P.S. CHECK OUT BASSNECTOR AND DJ MAJIC MIKE FEAL THE BASE, 1990 or 91.
DJ Magic Mike and Bassnector are two of my old favorites!
Crazy bass!