ITV highlights of the friendly between England and Netherlands on this day in 1982. Have only got the second half footage but this is when the key action happened anyway.
The Dutch player wearing no. 7 and played at right wing was Tscheu La Ling, right ? He was the only Dutch player who had Chinese blood as far as I know. At kickoff (0:08), he was standing alongside Wim Kieft. There was two Asian blood Dutch players of early 80s who also played here : him and Simon Tahamata (Indonesian blood) wearing no. 11.
16:58-17:04 Graham Rix was impressive : stopped Rijkaard and moment later, showed good control with juggling. I think I begin to understand why at WC 1982 Glen Hoddle was not pick as regular starters whenever a quartet of Wilkins, Robson, Rix and Steve Coppell were available.
Do you notice the other black player of Holland, the small one playing at the midfield ? It's Simon Tahamata who originated from Maluku islands, Indonesia.
And so did Wim Kieft in May 1982, the blonde tall centre forward of the Netherlands and Ajax Amsterdam, who was also just 19 years old like Rijkaard. Kieft has been the youngest European topscorer of all time (with 32 goals in the Dutch competition in the 1981-1982 season)!
I can name England's midfield during that year : Wilkins, Robson, Terry McDermott, Graham Rix, Steve Copple, Trevor Brooking and Hoddle. I can understand a bit why Hoddle was not among main options.
@@kingkane1051 I know. It's down to the manager's preference. If I were the manager, I would always put him in the lineup no matter the formation would be.
@@kingkane1051 No, Hoddle fan. He is my number 1 fav of all time. Here is my top 4 list : 1. Hoddle 2. Diego Maradona 3. Juan Roman Riquelme 4. Dragan Stojkovic All of them were attacking midfielders with great skills.
@@kingkane1051 I am more interested in certain players, not certain clubs. For example, I watched Real Madrid matches because of Gareth Bale. I like his playing style when he was at his top performances. In the past, I liked to watch John Barnes when he played at Watford City, but never watched his games at Liverpool due to TV broadcast limit in my city/country.
@@kingkane1051 Both were great at what they did, I think? Coppell was one of the best wingers England have ever had, probably. Hoddle a master distributor.
Good solid team. Lacked real creative quality in the finals , missed opportunity against relatively functional Spain and West Germany teams. Can't help but feel Greenwood too swayed by senior professional players and reluctant to trust flair such as Hoddle, Cunningham, Morley Devonshire and others
@@paulbradshaw303 they beat france 3:1 and didnt lose a game. France was alongside Brazil, Italy and Ussr the best team of the Cup. England was on level with germany, argentine and poland fur sure.
@@paulbradshaw303 England went out of the 1982 finals because English attacks did not know how to penetrate a deep, well organised foreign defence with a good sweeper. If Ron Greenwood had had time, or perhaps insisted that England play his way (with Wilkins as a libero and balls played into feet) then England might have taken 3rd place.
Paul Mariner played well here. I now understand why he was always a regular starter at WC 1982 alongside Trevor Francis. Tony Woodcock had to accept being 3rd option there.
@@gunternetzer9621 As someone also said which I agree, imo, England needed a creative playmaker, not workhorses, who could unlock opposition's defense. They actually had one : Glenn Hoddle, but Ron Greenwood didn't play him; instead he insisted on playing the likes of Ray Wilkins and Bryan Robson.
@@gunternetzer9621 If Wilkins and Robson were still needed, Greenwond could have played Hoddle in place of Graham Rix. Francis and Mariner needed straighfoward supply/service such as via throughball from an excellent passer like Hoddle. Although only in a friendly match, I have seen Hoddle did his superb troughball to the forwards like Kevin Keegan.
@@lexsoft3969 Greenwood knew that in the World Cup England needed to vary their normal tactics of 4-4-2 and high crosses into the penalty area. He wanted to play with Wilkins as a holding midfielder in front of the defence using his vision to break up attacks and pass the ball out and to play the ball into feet up front. He tried this against Northern Ireland earlier in the year and Wilkins did very well and England won 4-0 but he lost his nerve or the players persuaded him not to continue. Those in the know think they or Don Howe persuaded him to go back to their normal game that they were used to at club level. A shame because I think if England had persevered with this and Brooking and Keegan had been fit, then England could have got to 3rd place and even to the final. Regarding Hoddle, in spite of his undoubted talent he just could not impose himself at international level and he failed in Mexico '86. Whether it was mental or physical I don't know but that's why England managers didn't bother with him much. Rix was awful in '82. Played as if for Arsenal under orders from Don Howe and never got forward.
Total football here from England - centre back Thompson pushing forward on the right wing. Shame Greenwood lost his nerve in the Finals and went back to traditional English play.
I said below..the 1982 team is forgotten though it never lost a match in the tournament...if greenwood had not been under the influence of don howe..and keegan/brooking not injured, he should have played those two up front with Hoddle tucked in a free role behind..England would have been semi finalists at least in 1982..
for the West German game Rix/Hoddle/Robson/Wilkins/Coppell and forwards: Mariner and Francis sub woodcock..for spain: Keegan up top, Brooking (Hoddle would be benched and be a sub used for the last 45 mins to replace brooking..and the same midfield as in german contest..aTrevor Francis as another sub..This would be based on the same squad had Greenwood access to..obv I would have in my actual '82' squad either tony morley, peter barnes or Cunningham..
@@kailashpatel1706 We know whenever all midfield four of Wilkins, Robson, Rix and Coppell were available, Greenwood played them all as regular starters, including against West Germany. Only when against Spain, he started Wilkins, Robson and Rix at midfield, while started Francis, Mariner and Woodcock at forward, although that time Francis played as attacking midfield. It is not clear to me as for your starters against Spain : Do you mean Wilkins, Robson, Rix and Coppell still at midfield four, while Keegan and Brooking at forward ? Or Keegan as single striker, Brooking behind him like the following : Coppel - Robson - Wilkins - Rix Brooking (AM) Keegan So you don't trust either Francis, Mariner nor Woodcock as strikers ? Probably because they didn't get enough service from midfield directly from through pass Hoddle was supposed to provide. But Hoddle didn't play at all in those matches. Brooking could do, but as you said he was unfit, and played only in 2nd half.
Rene van der kirkoff....I fell in love with the dutch in Argentina 78...Jonny rep..aree hann....Robbie rensinbrink......willie van der kirkoff,quality team...
England were a good side at 82 WC, but just lacked that bit of creativity to create opportunities when it was tight as was the case in the Spain game. It was a shame Keegan wasnt fit as that may well have made the difference.
Not the best Netherlands tea m to be fair, but some decent performances by England. Always liked Thompson stepping forward, wish he had the freedom to do more. I would have liked to see Woodcock play more, had great ability to hold ball up. McDermott should have been given more ti me to establish himself , he had more to offer at international level for me than others who played more.
Agree with your comments, Greenwood never knew how to use Mcdermott, Ray Kennedy or even Mariner..This would have been a team Clough and Taylor might have played for 1982..Shilton...Anderson/Butcher/Martin/Statham..Cowans/Hoddle/Robson...Woodcock/Regis/T. Francis...a 4-3-3-of Kevin Beattie had not had his career ended by 1980 he would have taken the central defender slot from Alvin Martin alongside Butcher..Cowans would have been a holder and Robson, the box to box guy...a three man attack would have been a force in Espana, full of pace and strenght..
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Three of this Dutch team were in the side that won the 1988 Euros
The Dutch player wearing no. 7 and played at right wing was Tscheu La
Ling, right ? He was the only Dutch player who had Chinese blood as far
as I know.
At kickoff (0:08), he was standing alongside Wim Kieft.
There was two Asian blood Dutch players of early 80s who also played
here :
him and Simon Tahamata (Indonesian blood) wearing no. 11.
16:58-17:04 Graham Rix was impressive : stopped Rijkaard and moment later, showed good control with juggling.
I think I begin to understand why at WC 1982 Glen Hoddle was not pick as regular starters whenever a quartet of Wilkins, Robson, Rix and Steve Coppell were available.
Frank Rijkaard played in 1982..I can't believe it..
Do you notice the other black player of Holland, the small one playing at the midfield ? It's Simon Tahamata who originated from Maluku islands, Indonesia.
And so did Wim Kieft in May 1982, the blonde tall centre forward of the Netherlands and Ajax Amsterdam, who was also just 19 years old like Rijkaard. Kieft has been the youngest European topscorer of all time (with 32 goals in the Dutch competition in the 1981-1982 season)!
@@traceyullman1 And Tscheu La Ling, the only Dutch player who had Chinese blood. He played at right wing, wearing number 7, and he was tall too.
Tony Woodcock,Peter Shilton,Ray Wilkins,Phil Thompson,Paul Mariner,Kenny Samson,Bryan Robson,McDermott,Terry Butcher,Greg Foster,Peter Barnes.
Correction
Steve not Greg Foster.
Very much enjoyed watching this. And very good video quality for the time. Thanks for sharing.
Just another comment, the passing, movement and technique of the England players is excellent..
I can name England's midfield during that year : Wilkins, Robson, Terry McDermott, Graham Rix, Steve Copple, Trevor Brooking and Hoddle. I can understand a bit why Hoddle was not among main options.
@@kingkane1051 I know. It's down to the manager's preference. If I were the manager, I would always put him in the lineup no matter the formation would be.
@@kingkane1051 No, Hoddle fan. He is my number 1 fav of all time. Here is my top 4 list :
1. Hoddle
2. Diego Maradona
3. Juan Roman Riquelme
4. Dragan Stojkovic
All of them were attacking midfielders with great skills.
@@kingkane1051 I am more interested in certain players, not certain clubs. For example, I watched Real Madrid matches because of Gareth Bale. I like his playing style when he was at his top performances.
In the past, I liked to watch John Barnes when he played at Watford City, but never watched his games at Liverpool due to TV broadcast limit in my city/country.
@@kingkane1051 Both were great at what they did, I think? Coppell was one of the best wingers England have ever had, probably. Hoddle a master distributor.
Love that you list without showing the score , sometimes can't remember the game and like watching as new
how bloody good does Steve Foster look? perfect calm passing, with an eye to an attack
My first football game with two brothers
England was a very good team, should have merited at least the semi finals in World Cup 1982
Good solid team. Lacked real creative quality in the finals , missed opportunity against relatively functional Spain and West Germany teams. Can't help but feel Greenwood too swayed by senior professional players and reluctant to trust flair such as Hoddle, Cunningham, Morley Devonshire and others
@@paulbradshaw303 spot on..
@@paulbradshaw303 they beat france 3:1 and didnt lose a game.
France was alongside Brazil, Italy and Ussr the best team of the Cup.
England was on level with germany, argentine and poland fur sure.
@@paulbradshaw303 England went out of the 1982 finals because English attacks did not know how to penetrate a deep, well organised foreign defence with a good sweeper. If Ron Greenwood had had time, or perhaps insisted that England play his way (with Wilkins as a libero and balls played into feet) then England might have taken 3rd place.
Paul Mariner played well here. I now understand why he was always a regular starter at WC 1982 alongside Trevor Francis. Tony Woodcock had to accept being 3rd option there.
Watched a few times in the league when I was younger.Each time he looked a very good player
Not up to England standard which was proven in the finals v West Germany and Spain.
@@gunternetzer9621 As someone also said which I agree, imo, England needed a creative playmaker, not workhorses, who could unlock opposition's defense. They actually had one : Glenn Hoddle, but Ron Greenwood didn't play him; instead he insisted on playing the likes of Ray Wilkins and Bryan Robson.
@@gunternetzer9621 If Wilkins and Robson were still needed, Greenwond could have played Hoddle in place of Graham Rix. Francis and Mariner needed straighfoward supply/service such as via throughball from an excellent passer like Hoddle. Although only in a friendly match, I have seen Hoddle did his superb troughball to the forwards like Kevin Keegan.
@@lexsoft3969 Greenwood knew that in the World Cup England needed to vary their normal tactics of 4-4-2 and high crosses into the penalty area. He wanted to play with Wilkins as a holding midfielder in front of the defence using his vision to break up attacks and pass the ball out and to play the ball into feet up front. He tried this against Northern Ireland earlier in the year and Wilkins did very well and England won 4-0 but he lost his nerve or the players persuaded him not to continue. Those in the know think they or Don Howe persuaded him to go back to their normal game that they were used to at club level. A shame because I think if England had persevered with this and Brooking and Keegan had been fit, then England could have got to 3rd place and even to the final. Regarding Hoddle, in spite of his undoubted talent he just could not impose himself at international level and he failed in Mexico '86. Whether it was mental or physical I don't know but that's why England managers didn't bother with him much. Rix was awful in '82. Played as if for Arsenal under orders from Don Howe and never got forward.
Prefer the strips to nowadays... (and the swopping of the shorts at the end seems to have been mainly stopped?)
Yeah, especially that Netherlands Adidas kit they wore until 1990 World Cup with the White or Black shorts.
I loved wearing that England kit
Total football here from England - centre back Thompson pushing forward on the right wing. Shame Greenwood lost his nerve in the Finals and went back to traditional English play.
I said below..the 1982 team is forgotten though it never lost a match in the tournament...if greenwood had not been under the influence of don howe..and keegan/brooking not injured, he should have played those two up front with Hoddle tucked in a free role behind..England would have been semi finalists at least in 1982..
Imagine if Clough and Taylor were at the helm?
@@kailashpatel1706 Can you mention your recommended lineup, especially in 2nd group stage at WC 1982 ? Midfield and Forward only.
for the West German game Rix/Hoddle/Robson/Wilkins/Coppell and forwards: Mariner and Francis sub woodcock..for spain: Keegan up top, Brooking (Hoddle would be benched and be a sub used for the last 45 mins to replace brooking..and the same midfield as in german contest..aTrevor Francis as another sub..This would be based on the same squad had Greenwood access to..obv I would have in my actual '82' squad either tony morley, peter barnes or Cunningham..
@@kailashpatel1706 We know whenever all midfield four of Wilkins, Robson, Rix and Coppell were available, Greenwood played them all as regular starters, including against West Germany. Only when against Spain, he started Wilkins, Robson and Rix at midfield, while started Francis, Mariner and Woodcock at forward, although that time Francis played as attacking midfield.
It is not clear to me as for your starters against Spain : Do you mean Wilkins, Robson, Rix and Coppell still at midfield four, while Keegan and Brooking at forward ? Or Keegan as single striker, Brooking behind him like the following :
Coppel - Robson - Wilkins - Rix
Brooking (AM)
Keegan
So you don't trust either Francis, Mariner nor Woodcock as strikers ? Probably because they didn't get enough service from midfield directly from through pass Hoddle was supposed to provide. But Hoddle didn't play at all in those matches. Brooking could do, but as you said he was unfit, and played only in 2nd half.
Rene van der kirkoff....I fell in love with the dutch in Argentina 78...Jonny rep..aree hann....Robbie rensinbrink......willie van der kirkoff,quality team...
ronnie not robbie
@@seanbonelladeffo Robbie Rensenbrink (RIP).
Phil Thompson at right back to send in a cross?
England were a good side at 82 WC, but just lacked that bit of creativity to create opportunities when it was tight as was the case in the Spain game. It was a shame Keegan wasnt fit as that may well have made the difference.
England 82 was a great team. Very unlucky as usual at the WC
Unlucky? Or just incompetent and not good enough?
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Not the best Netherlands tea m to be fair, but some decent performances by England. Always liked Thompson stepping forward, wish he had the freedom to do more. I would have liked to see Woodcock play more, had great ability to hold ball up. McDermott should have been given more ti me to establish himself , he had more to offer at international level for me than others who played more.
Agree with your comments, Greenwood never knew how to use Mcdermott, Ray Kennedy or even Mariner..This would have been a team Clough and Taylor might have played for 1982..Shilton...Anderson/Butcher/Martin/Statham..Cowans/Hoddle/Robson...Woodcock/Regis/T. Francis...a 4-3-3-of Kevin Beattie had not had his career ended by 1980 he would have taken the central defender slot from Alvin Martin alongside Butcher..Cowans would have been a holder and Robson, the box to box guy...a three man attack would have been a force in Espana, full of pace and strenght..
We only had to wait for another 14 years to beat Holland at Wembley
@Athelstan Edwardson I said "Beat Holland"
Rijkaard just 18/19
L' Angleterre jouait très bien, même sans stars.
Surprenant que Rijkaard n'ait pas été repéré par les grands clubs européen après ce match.