This was the episode I mentioned a few days ago!! What I now learn was the Optica arson. It was the first Crimewatch I remember seeing all those years ago. It's amazing to see this 31 years later, you really are a star Redcard!
@Sodham G'morris You are right. I remember being at football matches in the 1970s and 1980s with people shouting to kick out or shoot the black players. No one minced their words there. Mind you, I'm in my 50s and have no idea what ''a man of continental appearance' means.
Its a savage insult but one guaranteed to start a bit of hair pulling and rolling around a pub floor. Fantastic recon. Poor girl was in the fast lane to an inevitable end. A drunk prostitute would be so vulnerable to an attack by anyone, Especially a punter.
Every time I ring the number provided, I just get a beeping noise. If this is how the police expect to solve crimes, then no wonder these 1980s maniacs are still roaming the streets decades later.
Last time I called a man called Noel Edmonds answered, asking if I wanted to ask a dinosaur called Posh Paws a question or swap a chopper bike for a bionic man doll.
The amount of people who had valuable antiques in their homes back then with no insurance and terrible home security was unbelievable. Probably a case of it won’t happen to me. The policeman was a bit dismissive. “ he couldn’t afford the premium but he can afford a big reward “. I have to agree.
Also, the people who possessed these things 50, 60, 70 years ago might well have inherited some of it when it was affordably bourgeois but still fancy "family stuff" handed down from Great Aunt so-and-so, and then acquired more of it at estate auctions when Victorian and Regency items were no longer fashionable (the 1960s on; younger people absolutely did not want these things). So in many cases, it was clever buying at the right time, accompanied by a great eye cultivated from childhood; these older generations knew what "tasteful" people valued and the proper marks, and so forth. It was part of class identity. But these same basically middle-class people weren't actually wealthy in terms of dollars and grand homes, and insurance premiums and security systems are VERY expensive... not really an option... so these unfortunates had their cultivated love of the beautiful, and thieves knew all this about their generation (possibly from observing the behavior of their own families and neighbors), and moved in for the kill, knowing how trusting and polite and non-suspicious these older people were.
I preferred her with hair pinned up in a bun or clip . Perhaps I'm a sicko too ! Either that or I have extremely good taste . I'll go with the latter .
these are great upoads and this is a great channel....but some of the comments are horrible to read..disrespecting murder victims is horrible and really sad
The areas around London's major train stations were notorious for prostitution of one sort or another back then. Paddington for example had a lot of "traditional" female prostitution whereas Victoria Station was notorious for the exploitation of young runaways who came in on the train or coach.
That aircraft company looked very much like it was in serious trouble because the technology wasn't working. So what to do? Burn the planes and make a fat claim. Even Crimewatch seemed to want to indicate such with the otherwise irrelevant background to the company. Even the detective mentions the pending insurance claim. If you read up on Optika, they only ever made 22 of the aircraft. They initially had investment but this stopped in the mid-80s. Because the investors obviously realised they were sinking their money into a white elephant.
Glad I watched this episode. Found the Optica fire fascinating as I'd never heard about it despite growing up there. Although I was only 10 at the time 😄
Well, according to this programme she'd been strangled. Maybe stains from forensic investigation? Does look like bloodstains tho. I believe bloodstained clothing was shown in other programmes.
I recall living in a couple of "DHSS hotels" around 1987/88. They were fucking grim but we managed to have fun. Alcohol was cheap and plentiful, that helped. I'm an old man now and the world has moved on... Somehow they were happier days...
@@CARLIN4737 hahahah, mate, I've lived there for years and years. London in the 80s was seriously grim - things like prostitution were absolutely brazen. Remember what kings cross used to be like? Or Victoria station? Or Piccadilly circus? How about estate like all the appalling ones in Hackney. Or croydon. You need only look at how different Soho is now. You're either a Russian troll or a clueless grumpy old man.
Hey i would lo e to agree im no stupid lefty middle class moron who has lived in the never changing money areas of London. Chelsea hamstead etc where they dont see understand or feel the everyday impact of rushed imigration on services like dentist, nhs schools to name a few. So to educate you when your the youngest of 12 kids with no father from 2 years of age , a mother who is in shock , grieving and has a total lack of love ,empathy and has one goal the day the useless kids have left the house by any means possible which was common in the 50,s. So joke you may and i joke about similar things until im shown a truth as you have. I could tell you endless true stories but you will not believe me.
Yes wrong, but I'm guilty of laughing as well. I bet the girls were feeling really horrible about taking the piss, when they found out what happen to the poor girl. Even now they probably don't like to think back to it. I bet many of us, would have done the same pisstaking with mates though, every human being has a bitchy bone in their body.
Thanks for tonight's upload red card74 always like to watch before going to sleep like when I was a kid. Hope I don't have nightmares and sleep tight:)
Jack Henderson I fall to sleep listening to these (when I have trouble getting to sleep). Don’t know what it says about me that I find listening to brutal murders ‘relaxing’? 🤔
@@helencompton3320 I'm sure that we arnt weirdos. It's just the memories that we relate to in childhood. But anyway I'm rambling.... but I do enjoy the memories mate:)
Here is a question I have always had about the poor being burgled most frequently. I am not doubting the statistic about the weakest being the most frequent victims---not at all, because victimizers love identifying the weakest in our society---they are expert at it. But unless thieves are stealing drug caches or maybe expensive sneakers (which many people seem to obtain regardless of income---not a judgment here on my part), if a neighborhood is poor, what are people taking? I have never figured this out. If you want gold and diamonds and expensive electronics, don't come to a bad neighborhood... or at least, not mine... what are they taking?? Clearly they are taking SOMETHING
If you're a drug addict and you're withdrawing you don't want to walk far to get money, you take the easy option every time. Sadly it's simply down to geography most of the time. And poor people still have the odd decent possession. If you live in those areas you probably buy things that fall of the back of lorries yourself and people will buy things like TVs and microwave ovens etc, there's a market for anything
I remember back in the 80s, and to a large extent in the 90s, many people used to just let their dogs run loose. They'd let them wander round the streets all day. Stray dogs weren't especially rare - I remember my family took one in, a German shepherd. Was a lovely dog. It's only really since dogs got chipped (and people had to clear up after them) that things changed.
I guess used as a codename. If they used their real name they may have been identifiable, putting themselves in danger. I often wondered when for instance they say could Tracey or Bill ring back, it could be exposing someone to the killer, if they are watching. Same as when real witnesses and their homes are shown in reconstructions.
These day you get Nottingham Knockers as they are known selling cleaning products and dusters.Claim to be ex offenders. Last one that called here first words he said were "Im just out of jail!!!" doing work for Probation (its a scam) and people have been burgled and worse after a Nottingham Knocker called.
Racist graffiti, four years of harrassment and a vicious attack that half blinded someone - remember that the next time someone goes on about 'the good old days before London was ruined'.
Absolutely. London was a dark, fairly dangerous place back then. Lots of very visible vice. South London in particular had serious problems with corruption and racism.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !" Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ." Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!" Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..." Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!" Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky." Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction." Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
I love how Sue keeps a straight face talking about ‘pizza’
I don't get it!
@@MsVanorak watch the beginning
@@gujh03 very funny gis a call pizza lol
She's trying so hard not to laugh it made me laugh 😆🤣
I thought I was hearing things
0:30 Behind nick and sue you can see alan partridge answering the phones
And who is Alsn Partridge ?
AHAAAAAAAAAAAA...!
Welcome to Up With the Partridge...!
‘Welcome to London where you’ll either be mugged or not appreciated’
zahria google him... played by Steve Coogan
Taking calls from angry farmers
This was the episode I mentioned a few days ago!! What I now learn was the Optica arson. It was the first Crimewatch I remember seeing all those years ago. It's amazing to see this 31 years later, you really are a star Redcard!
It’s interesting in the early years how they focused so much on antiques and in the later years this wasn’t featured as much
the market sunk and once folk started taking fotos of their stuff the crimes became easier to solve esqecially since this qrogram raised awareness.
14:03 this advert! Quintessential uk advertising for the 80s. Love it! Thanks for uploading ✨
It was a Mexican diplomat who killed the first two ladies but he had diplomatic immunity. He was the 'continental man' the police mentioned
Interesting- Rachel’s boyfriend Ian didn’t do a good job in checking the clients before allowing her to go in their cars
@@09weenic mate he's a pimp first, he saw her as a bank and was only with her for that reason. Sad but that's life on the underside
Sounds about right and probably many more too. To add to his boot collection?
So grateful for the uploads and loving the nostalgia... taking me right back :) xx
31:00 That vintage Velocette motorcycle is still going strong now.... taxed n tested.
" A man of continental appearance " - that certainly dates it !
Which continent lol, Pangea?
Who cares
@Sodham G'morris You are right. I remember being at football matches in the 1970s and 1980s with people shouting to kick out or shoot the black players. No one minced their words there. Mind you, I'm in my 50s and have no idea what ''a man of continental appearance' means.
One step away from wily oriental German
1987 was a long long time ago.
'like a grotesque little man' ... savage! Not surprised the murdered girl went those two.
Its a savage insult but one guaranteed to start a bit of hair pulling and rolling around a pub floor. Fantastic recon. Poor girl was in the fast lane to an inevitable end. A drunk prostitute would be so vulnerable to an attack by anyone, Especially a punter.
Every time I ring the number provided, I just get a beeping noise.
If this is how the police expect to solve crimes, then no wonder these 1980s maniacs are still roaming the streets decades later.
Last time I called a man called Noel Edmonds answered, asking if I wanted to ask a dinosaur called Posh Paws a question or swap a chopper bike for a bionic man doll.
Been watching these old Crimewatch UK episodes all night..fantastic, taking me back to when i was in my twenties , seems like yesterday..
Our thursday night ritual in london watching this show...I was just a kid...I was always so scared afterwards...
The amount of people who had valuable antiques in their homes back then with no insurance and terrible home security was unbelievable. Probably a case of it won’t happen to me. The policeman was a bit dismissive. “ he couldn’t afford the premium but he can afford a big reward “. I have to agree.
Also the number who kept large amounts of cash at home. Absolutely asking for trouble.
People used there beds as banks and food cupboards as safes 😎
Also, the people who possessed these things 50, 60, 70 years ago might well have inherited some of it when it was affordably bourgeois but still fancy "family stuff" handed down from Great Aunt so-and-so, and then acquired more of it at estate auctions when Victorian and Regency items were no longer fashionable (the 1960s on; younger people absolutely did not want these things). So in many cases, it was clever buying at the right time, accompanied by a great eye cultivated from childhood; these older generations knew what "tasteful" people valued and the proper marks, and so forth. It was part of class identity. But these same basically middle-class people weren't actually wealthy in terms of dollars and grand homes, and insurance premiums and security systems are VERY expensive... not really an option... so these unfortunates had their cultivated love of the beautiful, and thieves knew all this about their generation (possibly from observing the behavior of their own families and neighbors), and moved in for the kill, knowing how trusting and polite and non-suspicious these older people were.
I agree
statistically speaking and averagely, everyone is always better off without insurance, though.
more crimewatch I love waiting for the next one to be uploaded thanks keep it up
I love Sue's '80s jumpers and blouses
I preferred her with hair pinned up in a bun or clip . Perhaps I'm a sicko too ! Either that or I have extremely good taste . I'll go with the latter .
Terry Burns was a West Ham fan, not Palace. It's still unsolved 😪 bless him
Embankment tube station.
£250,000 worth of antiques in his house, what is that in today's money? Millions surely
Plus no insurance. he could nt afford it. all he had to do is sell something, tight idiot. 😏
£909,000 in 2023 money
today's daily crimewatch fix...many thanks Redcard..
My family think I'm weird for watching these from the 1980's.
Just tell them it’s no different from watching 80s films and sitcoms
these are great upoads and this is a great channel....but some of the comments are horrible to read..disrespecting murder victims is horrible and really sad
thanks again RedCard74
Many thanks again redcard.
The areas around London's major train stations were notorious for prostitution of one sort or another back then. Paddington for example had a lot of "traditional" female prostitution whereas Victoria Station was notorious for the exploitation of young runaways who came in on the train or coach.
Interesting to hear the history of ‘knocker boys’ ~
No it isn't.
There used to be back in the day ' Nottingham knockers ' , they touted cheap linen and kitchen wares . Many pretending to be special needs lads .
Leaves a light on but then the garage door but with no car in it...I mean...why?!
May as well have left a ladder up to an open bedroom window as well
I wonder if anyone who hasn’t been caught yet are watching these videos now……….YES YOU!!!!
That aircraft company looked very much like it was in serious trouble because the technology wasn't working. So what to do? Burn the planes and make a fat claim.
Even Crimewatch seemed to want to indicate such with the otherwise irrelevant background to the company. Even the detective mentions the pending insurance claim.
If you read up on Optika, they only ever made 22 of the aircraft. They initially had investment but this stopped in the mid-80s. Because the investors obviously realised they were sinking their money into a white elephant.
Incredible how this uploaded had all these.
There is likely to me a motive for that fire money related - competitor worried about the technology or an insurance claim.
pizza called twice. he got a double pepperoni
I thought he got burned!
Love me crimewatch every night now thanks redcard
These old ones are the best. Really brings some memories back. I'm watching them chronologically every night in bed!!!!!
Loving watching these please keep them coming . 👍🏻
' . . . lived in a DHSS Hotel in Earls Court' ? !
I always thought that was a rather expensive part of London to live (near Chelsea)
It is but a DHSS hostel/hotel is as grim as it gets.
21:35 ARGHHHHHH!!!!! IT'S THE FACTORY WHERE ALEX MURPHY WAS SHOT TO DEATH BY CLARENCE BODDICKER AND HIS GANG BEFORE BECOMING ROBOCOP!!!!!!!! ;*(
Shut. Up. Tit.
"it smelled of a sickly air freshener" 😄
Lol That Glade gets everywhere!
Top upload mate.
Glad I watched this episode. Found the Optica fire fascinating as I'd never heard about it despite growing up there. Although I was only 10 at the time 😄
surely an insurance job if they had cashflow problems
Hello Crime Watcher’s! Ooooh can’t wait till later when I can sit down. Best birthday night ever! (I’ll send you all a slice of virtual cake 🍰). 🕵🏻♀️
Helen Compton HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Many happy returns Helen!
Awww thanks everyone. I love our CW family. Xxxxxxxx
Happy birthday Helen
Happy CW Birthday! 🤟
Thanks again
11:41 - I can't believe they showed blood splattered clothing. Or is that just a strange pattern?
Well, according to this programme she'd been strangled. Maybe stains from forensic investigation? Does look like bloodstains tho. I believe bloodstained clothing was shown in other programmes.
37:56 The final insurance scam has been estimated at £4m lol
"Roughed up"
"Scouse"
Sue's blouse.
Gorgeous.
My birthday month thank you so much I had just turned one at the time Xx
same lol february 7th for me and would be nice the know which day in february this episode aired
vaimende yes it’s hard to believe we were toddlers at the time Xx
I recall living in a couple of "DHSS hotels" around 1987/88. They were fucking grim but we managed to have fun. Alcohol was cheap and plentiful, that helped. I'm an old man now and the world has moved on...
Somehow they were happier days...
Well it appears you got a knighthood out of it , so it can't have been all bad .
Sense of community back then. Social media has made us more isolated than ever
It's called getting old
@@ghfamghgam1172 it's called "getting old". As we get old, we often end up feeling very isolated. It was just as big a problem back then.
27:38 Almost a "Flock of Seagulls" hairdo.
So many women are murdered by strangers after having a row with boyfriend or someone else after leaving a pub or club.
London wad murky back in the eighties.
It used to have a really bad reputation. It was a kind of by word for vice and crime.
oh and it isnt now? much more dangerous place now than ever. Youve clearly never lived in London.
@@CARLIN4737 hahahah, mate, I've lived there for years and years. London in the 80s was seriously grim - things like prostitution were absolutely brazen. Remember what kings cross used to be like? Or Victoria station? Or Piccadilly circus? How about estate like all the appalling ones in Hackney. Or croydon. You need only look at how different Soho is now. You're either a Russian troll or a clueless grumpy old man.
Burglars start at the age of four or five?! Seriously?!
Hey i would lo e to agree im no stupid lefty middle class moron who has lived in the never changing money areas of London. Chelsea hamstead etc where they dont see understand or feel the everyday impact of rushed imigration on services like dentist, nhs schools to name a few.
So to educate you when your the youngest of 12 kids with no father from 2 years of age , a mother who is in shock , grieving and has a total lack of love ,empathy and has one goal the day the useless kids have left the house by any means possible which was common in the 50,s.
So joke you may and i joke about similar things until im shown a truth as you have. I could tell you endless true stories but you will not believe me.
Absolute rubbish.
😂😂
Is it wrong that I actually had a laugh at Rachel's little episode in the pub?
We've all known a "Rachel"... and if we haven't, we're probably one!
It looked like she was fighting Samantha Fox , the bitch needed a slap
Yes wrong, but I'm guilty of laughing as well. I bet the girls were feeling really horrible about taking the piss, when they found out what happen to the poor girl. Even now they probably don't like to think back to it. I bet many of us, would have done the same pisstaking with mates though, every human being has a bitchy bone in their body.
One of the women playing snooker looks like Kathy Burke
@@vanillasnow4084 she called her a "grotesque little man" she needed her ass kicked.
Rachel’s boyfriend Ian, what a lovely boyfriend he was 🤷🏻♂️
Redcard74 where is tonights episode bro we are eagerly awaiting 😁
me too 😂👍
@@eddiemcgarvey9365 yeah I'm here watching the older episodes untill he uploads tonights episode I'm pretty confident he will 😄
The month and the year I was born 11/02/1987❤ I'm 35 now
Thanks for tonight's upload red card74 always like to watch before going to sleep like when I was a kid. Hope I don't have nightmares and sleep tight:)
Jack Henderson I fall to sleep listening to these (when I have trouble getting to sleep). Don’t know what it says about me that I find listening to brutal murders ‘relaxing’? 🤔
Helen Compton 😳 Omg, really? I can’t do that. I have to say a prayer before bed or else I’ll see those scary video-fits in my dreams lol
Same for me. Always got to the music at the end.... "Right, bedtime." Never was allowed up late enough to watch the update.
@@helencompton3320 I'm sure that we arnt weirdos. It's just the memories that we relate to in childhood. But anyway I'm rambling.... but I do enjoy the memories mate:)
@@MM0SDK good memories watching horrific crimes.lol but they are good memories are we weird:)
" like a grotesque little man," classic bit of dialogue @ 41.50
14:03 Scariest reconstruction ever. ;*( After it finished, these two moths flying over my bed startled me. ;*(
We don't care you fuck.
I hated that advert!!
1:30
"Robertson - Pizza for you"
That Optica arson...issues with the plane, company goes under, doesn't sound like an insurance job does it 😅
Rachel first video construction of woman fight, 33 years later people still drunken fighters
Here is a question I have always had about the poor being burgled most frequently. I am not doubting the statistic about the weakest being the most frequent victims---not at all, because victimizers love identifying the weakest in our society---they are expert at it. But unless thieves are stealing drug caches or maybe expensive sneakers (which many people seem to obtain regardless of income---not a judgment here on my part), if a neighborhood is poor, what are people taking? I have never figured this out. If you want gold and diamonds and expensive electronics, don't come to a bad neighborhood... or at least, not mine... what are they taking?? Clearly they are taking SOMETHING
If you're a drug addict and you're withdrawing you don't want to walk far to get money, you take the easy option every time. Sadly it's simply down to geography most of the time. And poor people still have the odd decent possession. If you live in those areas you probably buy things that fall of the back of lorries yourself and people will buy things like TVs and microwave ovens etc, there's a market for anything
Animal instinct.
"His hair is black" - his Scottish accent when he said it - made me howl with laughter.
I wonder who it was knocking off prossies? these early CW UK were best for the murders and serious cases, very authentic
It was a Mexican diplomat who had immunity. Mexico probably moved him to NYC to new hunting grounds.
All internet fraud these days. In them days it was hold up a Group 4 security van or go and hold up a bank with a sawn off shotgun lol!
And that's why society was more violent in those days. The decline of cash has actually meant that violent crime has gone down.
Definitely. It’s all internet fraud and identity theft nowadays.
Still goes on.
I'll completely lower the tone by claiming Sue Cook is an attractive woman but not Premier League.
i nae bother brad pitt
Average.
F.A.B Uploads .
relatives of the 2 cops killed perhaps ? in regard toi the Octiva Plane arson
Maby they shouldn't have put the barrow boys out of buisness
Someone must have knowledge of that optica planes fuel tap very suspicious imo
Supermarkets were opened till 10.30 at night back then surely that's wrong?
Depends where you were. The busier parts of the country, like central London, have always been busier at night with more things open
Arson ,insurance job😆
What blocks safe thTz what the man said
Stray Dogs ?
I remember back in the 80s, and to a large extent in the 90s, many people used to just let their dogs run loose. They'd let them wander round the streets all day. Stray dogs weren't especially rare - I remember my family took one in, a German shepherd. Was a lovely dog. It's only really since dogs got chipped (and people had to clear up after them) that things changed.
Who the hell calls themselves pizza
Somebody with bad acne?
I guess used as a codename. If they used their real name they may have been identifiable, putting themselves in danger. I often wondered when for instance they say could Tracey or Bill ring back, it could be exposing someone to the killer, if they are watching. Same as when real witnesses and their homes are shown in reconstructions.
@@JuiceTerry87I was going to say that 😂
we dont want to send you off, so your name should be yellow card and not redcard! WHAT!!
Brighton knocker boys
These day you get Nottingham Knockers as they are known selling cleaning products and dusters.Claim to be ex offenders. Last one that called here first words he said were "Im just out of jail!!!" doing work for Probation (its a scam) and people have been burgled and worse after a Nottingham Knocker called.
behave?
Like crimewatch thanku
Rachel and Ian. Romeo and Juliet
Pizza lol
Fab love wristwatch thanks
"attacks on elderly ppl"...sounds like "A TAX on elderly ppl"
I think both are bad....
😂
Racist graffiti, four years of harrassment and a vicious attack that half blinded someone - remember that the next time someone goes on about 'the good old days before London was ruined'.
So true! Most things have changed for the better.
@@hihowareyouthen Some
it was and has been.
@@CARLIN4737 you a Russian troll mate? Or just a bitter old man?
Absolutely. London was a dark, fairly dangerous place back then. Lots of very visible vice. South London in particular had serious problems with corruption and racism.
The co were laying staff off in money shit
Safe people neighbour
Sergeant Speed aka Billy Whizz...
Doesn't work.
nicee
Michael J. Fox !
I mean crime watch
Nogod people..come please if Ur got pas it over. Helps holds faith I. Everything....hanks
WPC Jacqui Johnson is so beautiful!
Yep totally agree - far nicer than Sue Cook
@@09weenic WPC Jacqui Johnson also appears in the crimewatch episode May 1986 -the Sir John Moore robbery-at around 35.55-stunning wow!
😉
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"