My 2 cents: My parents; during construction of our family home installed these heat radiatiors around 20 in the whole house - each room/floor/basement etc had a very expensive imported boiler/geyser (don't think it's smart since almost a decade back) installed. The irony; in the past 14 years in this house we have only used this maybe 20 times? Highly impractical - the imported boiler needs a certain level of gas to heat the water & being in Pakistan we all know the gas situation/pressure frankly terrible. Second issue might be unique to us is that water is heated for the whole house regardless of whether a certain room is using it or not ie gas is fully used & since we use 2 rooms max at one time heating/having the option to heat the 15 rooms by just turning a knob is stupid - since water has already been heated regardless of on/off. So not sure feasible in PK. For apartments yes one can think of getting these!
Bro nowadays there is nest thermostats which u can select each room temperature u dont need to be run in whkle house its called zoning temperature,which is comes with sensors u need to install each room a sensor
Agreed, was thinking the same, plus when he was talking about the different types of heat that was completely false, when people in Pakistan run heat pumps they run it at 26-28c which makes the room too hot and we feel uncomfortable, instead we should run it at 18-22c which ever temperature you feel comfortable at and it uses a lot less energy than these type of heaters
Agree. With a heat pump in Pakistan in certain areas you can get a really good CoP. Running a heat pump at say 3.5Kw on solar with battery backup and a CoP of say 3 you are getting almost 10Kw of heating for only 3.5kw electricity. Also underfloor heating is more efficient. You can also use the heat pump for hot water if required
@Average Student you are right, for me reversible ac is the best option. I am living in italy and here people use CLAY POTS FILLED WITH WATER HAGING WITH CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEM THERMOSTAT OR THOSE PIPE THINGS. POT GETS HOT AND WATER EVAPORATE. JUST TO COMPENSATE OXYGEN DEFFICIENCY.
@@aliasad4627 Yes, thats why seller mentioned their service area ISB, RWP, Muree and other northern areas. It doesn't make sense for most of the Pakistan, unless you got faltoo money.
Your videos were good because they didn't had other people being interviewed in, it was you who used to research and come up presenting . We want your quality videos, please!
I wonder whether insulation would be an interesting follow-up video. Lots of people with Solar in their homes insulate their homes to reduce their energy consumption for heating/cooling. Most homes/apartments I see in Pakistan are not insulated though. You also have to take care when insulating to have some source of fresh air
To my understanding you need to have a very good insulation system so that heat loss is prevented. So for old constructions you must put on an extra 1 to 2 million for installing insulated windows or doors. In Pakistan I dont think people have any clue of installing insulated windows or doors. The insulation I remember there was to prevent lizards or mouse to enter the house, other than that heat or cold insulation is no priority while constructing the house. May be things have changed in the past years since I moved from Pakistan but I dont hear that from family or friends there.
Owais, pertinent topic - installation of ASHP (airsource Heat pumps) or fuel based central heating system are not cheap anywhere in the world (google BUS- boiler upgrade scheme). Designing a central heating system with proper heatloss calculation for a property involves a professional which should be left to heating engineers. The key to these systems are efficient and smart homes with insulation to minimise heat loss and enhance efficiency. Immersion heating is the most inefficient way of heating water. Heating is mostly required either early morning or in evening when there is no solar so heating through electric boiler will not be cheap. My take on this topic is that if you already have a central heating system installed, improve insulation to minimize heatloss, use weather compensation and smart thermostats to save fuel and use stainless steal radiators for better efficiency.
Suffocation to nahin hoti reversible ac mein, meine humidifier lagaya hua hai aur sath mein japanese heater (gas+elec) and its awesome. But yes humidifier is must
The water remains in closed loop between the heat exchanger and heat pump so how they claim that humidity can be controlled by these radiators? The fresh air recirculation and humidifier/ionizer can maintain the humidity/air quality. I belive this info needs to be updated from the vendor in this video.
Brother the supplier gave wrong explanation about working principle of environmental control system. In air conditioner the heat exchanger condenses the humidity of air in a room. In the case of central heating, it is a closed loop system and hot working fluid (water or oil) is circulated and warm the air in the room. So practically it doesn't have any effect on air except raising the temperature.
I live in Denmark and I am a regular follower of your channel. I was thinking about installing this sstem at my parents home in Pakistan but this video has demotivated me. This person's presentation skills need some work. A country with energy crisis needs innovative solutions and adding only different kind of boilers which run on gas, electricity and other sources does not cut it. I am not an engineer but I believe that with a bit of innovation, one could use this system at a much cheaper price in Pakistan. I have been thinking about it for a while. pn how to use a normal electric geaser with a small boiler for these heaters.
i think this heating solution isn't a viable solution because of rising gas prices and considering the availability of gas. Dc inverter is a better solution as it is more economical and works both ways, as an ac and a heater.
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Firstly, I would recommend turning off stereo mode in Mic as its a podcast and different volume sound when using headphones just feel awkward and wrong. Secondly regarding central heating, there is some misinformation, regarding humidity, when using gas heater, it actually has less effect compared to electric as burning gas is producing H2O to as part of combustion, thought it still cause dryness, but since heaters in Pakistan don't come with auto cut-off on gas failure, it poses gas dangers, not to mention CO poisoning due to lack of Ventilation. Coming to Inverter AC heater or simple electric heater, they both heat air causing humidity to drop, I use inverter AC heater which as you know is very energy efficient, and to address humidity, I use humidifier. The central heater in this video is also only heating air via hot water inside the radiator, the water is not coming in contact with air, so it cannot increase/maintain humidity. Thirdly, regarding running it on solar, people can reduce solar requirement by using inverter refrigerant boiler just like inverter AC, I am not sure if anyone is importing it, and it would be expensive, but it would reduce solar requirement greatly like 3 times. Further I would add, i. please avoid it on NG/LPG unless necessary as our country is already facing severe shortage, instead force the seller to arrange inverter boiler and install on Solar (those installing it on homes/commercial will have deep pockets anyway). ii. Have your home insulated, in europe they also use rockwool, expanded foam etc insulation in roof and walls, to reduce heat load requirement, as with central heating you are asking for constant heat from boiler, so making home energy efficient in first place is also important. Lastly, if pocket permits, I would also like to have this system, as this allows constant temperature in whole house, not like inverter AC blowing hot air and then waiting for room to chill and repeat, and not having some rooms cold and some hot, etc, we are comfort creature and if affordable we go for it. One point I hope someone does in Pakistan is to introduce residential central cooling/heating using chilled/hot water as combined system using inverter technology, currently this is possible for commercial use, but being commercial its eye watering expensive. Also with this system, one can add insulated underground water tanks to act as a storage medium to allow for cooling/heating even without solar, water has large specific heat, so one can get away with 2000-3000 gallons storage capacity.
In the beginning the vendor said that his system is better because it works on water so does not reduce humidity in the room. Incorrect. The system works on a closed water loop and water does not come into contact with air circulating in the room. So it can not increase humidity. It would dehumidify air like any other heating device. Secondly, heat pumps (commonly known as inerter A/C's) have the highest COP and hence, the most efficient mode of space heating.
simple and easy way use Radiator heater, better then inverter ac or any other electric heater, it does not produce dryness or suffocation in room, this system v.costly and so much difficult to install in home. i am using radiator heater for last 14 years & its perfect.
This system is feasible when you have a huge family and every room is occupied, I have experienced this system in one of my friends house and it was very effective. He said it humidifies the room where as the water don't come in contact with the room environment ?
actully, it does not humidify the room because water stays inside which heats up the element. Since it creates less heat over prolonged period of time compared to Gas-heater, therefore it removes less water from air. But with Gas, you get toxic gases inside house, so here in this case it wins from gas. The best cost effective system is to buy electric oil-filled radiators, they work on similar concept, oil trapped inside radiators heats up the room without producing any toxic gases.Even if you turn it off, the oil inside radiator keeps room warm for sometime
I got installed radiant boiler. Gas bill goes rocket high. If you call expert just for a minor issue he will charge 3000 for visit. Spare parts of boilers are very expensive. Gas gets interrupted many times thus putting the system off. Not recommended.
These systems are not feasible in pakistan. Its a system but its not great the most cheap systems are HOT/COLD, DC inverters. You can run them in Solar for free they dont eat your oxygen like fire place or gas heater. You can use Humidifier to set a humidity level. These systems are very efficient in Wood base houses plus where utilities are cheap. Water Quality should be clean too otherwise Solvents will clog your pipes over the course of period. You have to run Vinegar at slow speed for 12 hours a day after a season to maintain your lines.
Owais this is ineffective and expensive if you see the current and future energy crisis coming to Pakistan. Inverter ACs are best for heating in the winter because they use 1 unit of electricity but provide 3 units of heat. There is a reason why west is switching to AC or heat pumps as it can save on electricity costs and run-on renewables. Even in the UK people are replacing boilers with Heat pump-based heating solutions. The boiler is simply replaced with a heatpump and it continues to function like before. However in Pakistan due to high temperature in summers it will be better to just use an AC in heating mode during winters as it is much cheaper and readily available and will work in summers too
Awais bhai you didnt asked the important question of running cost of different systems like electric gas and diesel. How much it will consume per day/ hour. Also those who have solar system intalled in their homes they have good option of reversible ac .which i think is very cost effective than the centralised heating system which is very costly for any normal household in pakistan. Please do a thourough comparison of each system with cost analysis. Which is better for normal households.
Does this system operate on ordinary water ? In my opinion, This system is not feasible in Pakistan because of gas shortage, expensive electricity, and this system itself very expensive
Any heating and air conditioning is almost running in opened doors if the house is no insulated. Better insulation can save energy use in summer or winter up to 80%, buildings control and regulations should include minimum insulation of walls roof and door and windows. Without that it’s just lighting the fire outside I’m open and expecting a heated room!
Would be great if you could add a video showing operating cost comparison between blower type gas heater and reversible split air conditioner. I think if your electricity cost is greater than Rs 10 per unit then using blower type gas heater is cheaper assuming gas billing is under 400 m3 per month.
400 per m3, nice joke, SNGPL current billing slabs makes customers scream if consumption goes beyond 3 cubic meter, now new connection I heard are being given against LNG at 1200 rupee per m3 (dont remember exact unit). Also not to mention gas load shedding.
In Pak best option is Electric Inverter AC/Heater. Pak homes are not for centrally A/c , no insulation etc, Hotels, offices etc are good for this system. Save 30Lack & spend it on solar. ❤🇺🇸
bhai jaan iss se acha to korea ka model hai and sasta b check it yes sistem korea ne mutaraf karways tha in korea koi 25 sal se b zyada ho gya hai use hote hue 20 sal se to mein use kar raha hoon
The vendor very proudly said they are working for last 30 years and that all the equipment is Italian. Had he put in some effort, he'd have introduced something indigenous in Pakistan. What's the difference between him and the other people importing things from abroad and prove to be a liability on the national exchequer
Turmaz Energy is one of the worst solar companies I have ever experienced. I have installed 10 KW system through Turmaz Energy. 1. Quotation was not itemized. The steel structure was installed by 14 & 16 years old kids. 2. The agreed time of installation was one week and they were even not able to finish the job in 3 months. 3. They don't attend the calls and answer the queries. 4. They told me that the job is complete so pay us our final amount, when I inspected the arrestor was not even installed, and to date no commitment when they are going to install. I would highly alert people not to deal with them. We follow you but this put some extra responsibility on your shoulders to make sure that the companies are reliable.
It's not a criticism, just a fact and to get in the correct frame of mind, that Pakistan is at least 70 years behind the world. If you watch movies from 40s, 50s, 60s, you'll see devices, methods, and protocols that are currently thought to be a luxury point in Pakistan. Few examples, Automatic Glass Doors, Water Dispensers, Coffee Machines, Escalators, Malls, Billing Counter in the Mall, Paying Cards, Montessori / School Systems, Folding (Murphy) Beds, Extendable Furniture (we still don't have it), Burger huh! :) Deli Food (they have almost discarded it now, but our TV Ads proudly show fashionable Moms feeding this to the family), it's a long list. Let's not just follow 50 years later. Let's look at what the developed world has today and bring that to your home. And let's perhaps go further and lead the world.
Almost nothing that you mentioned above is essential for a good life though. For example I don't miss automatic glass doors. For me Karak Chai is better than Coffee Machine and a good full time cook is better than Deli food. Non stop social media and TV both increase and decrease the quality of life at the same time. I smell just fine without perfumes and deodorants...... and so on. Sophistication and simplicity both have their own charm.
1- Inverter AC doesn't consume Oxygen, its fairly comfortable and reliable 2- i hate it when people diss Pakistan by saying, koi local cheez nahi hai ... 30 saal se kaam kar rahay ho bhai, expert ho, bajaye selling karne k, local industry laga lo is ki!
This system suits very rich in Pakistan, first u need dual system of boilers, gas, electric or reinforced by solar cause we r not sure when 1 goes off. Operating cost of average 500 sqyd house can run as high as 1 lakh. Secondly, an effective system can be installed during construction stage ensuring pipes cover the floors as per manufacturers specs, small double glazed windows and some sort of air tight mechanism. For a middle class family, small house is preffered choice where the covered area should not exceed 2000 sqft even than the energy cost will run between 30-40000 rs. My experience is bitter, this is marketing vid, he should have given a clearer pic.
It’s a very good thing… it is used widely in all cold countries… pakistan is way is behind that’s why we suffer in both summers and winters… this shouldn’t have been issue but Alas! Nothing has been done to comfort common people by governments and Army
After 30 years they are still not so clear about the ops. of the system, its not a HVAC just a HX through air. They uses the logo of Aramco which is patent one soon they will receive legal notice.
Not feasible in Pakistan due to high cost and upcoming shortage of Gas. IMO using inverter AC as heater is most economical and environment friendly option. Especially if you have installed good rating solar system and energy efficient AC then you can use your AC as heater for free in whole winter. Looks like paid promo video.
He's saying because it's water based it keeps the body humid!! That is factually incorrect. It is a "sealed" system so there is zero humidity that escapes.... on a separate topic I would say underfloor heating would be better given the floors in pakistan are primarily tiles
Honestly, I don't see the point of central heating systems like this in Pakistan, I know 3 people who have installed this in Islamabad over the past 8 - 9 years and none are running because the cost of running is very high as our houses are much bigger. Secondly we have 3 months that are cold other than that we have a hot climate,even in winters our daytime temp is very pleasant. Best to buy individual electric radiators that you can heat one room at a time. And inverter ACs are a much better option. Even people in the UK, Europe and US don't run these systems all the time because of the running cost. HOTELS are a different story.
Honest opinion would've been that this system is not suitable in Pakistan due to poor quality of tap water. Too many minerals and sediments, chokes the system in two years max. For 3 million I would go solar and use inverter acs with a tiny humidifier.
It will be useless in most of Sindh and Punjab. As the Winter spell is very short. Also, everyone has inverter ACs now and can survive with them. Also the incremental cost of it is too high. Plus we have unreliable gas which is not even enough for basic cooking at home. I will run away from it.
My 2 cents: My parents; during construction of our family home installed these heat radiatiors around 20 in the whole house - each room/floor/basement etc had a very expensive imported boiler/geyser (don't think it's smart since almost a decade back) installed. The irony; in the past 14 years in this house we have only used this maybe 20 times? Highly impractical - the imported boiler needs a certain level of gas to heat the water & being in Pakistan we all know the gas situation/pressure frankly terrible. Second issue might be unique to us is that water is heated for the whole house regardless of whether a certain room is using it or not ie gas is fully used & since we use 2 rooms max at one time heating/having the option to heat the 15 rooms by just turning a knob is stupid - since water has already been heated regardless of on/off. So not sure feasible in PK. For apartments yes one can think of getting these!
Thanks
Bro nowadays there is nest thermostats which u can select each room temperature u dont need to be run in whkle house its called zoning temperature,which is comes with sensors u need to install each room a sensor
@@nomankh6717 I see! Yeah my system might be out-dated
It is true and it costs so much money a middle class person can build a house in this much cost
Even Europe is shifting to heatpumps they are throwing away boiler systems ..... this guy is just trying to make people a fool in Pakistan.
As the world is moving towards heat pumps (reversible AC) because it is not damaging to the environment, we are moving towards this. Bravo.
Look up: Heat Pumps: the Future of Home Heating by Technology Connections.
Agreed, was thinking the same, plus when he was talking about the different types of heat that was completely false, when people in Pakistan run heat pumps they run it at 26-28c which makes the room too hot and we feel uncomfortable, instead we should run it at 18-22c which ever temperature you feel comfortable at and it uses a lot less energy than these type of heaters
Agree. With a heat pump in Pakistan in certain areas you can get a really good CoP. Running a heat pump at say 3.5Kw on solar with battery backup and a CoP of say 3 you are getting almost 10Kw of heating for only 3.5kw electricity. Also underfloor heating is more efficient. You can also use the heat pump for hot water if required
we can also use cheap humidifier to avoid suffocation effect heat pumps are the future
We are usually 20 years late in everything.
For a small family, reversible ac is the best option in terms of cost as well.
yes heatpumps also known as ACs are best in efficiency.
yes and seller is wrong, inverter AC doesn't consume oxygen!
@Abdul Baqi man that central heating THING starts from 10 lakh. Especially in punjab we don't need it at all.
@Average Student you are right, for me reversible ac is the best option. I am living in italy and here people use CLAY POTS FILLED WITH WATER HAGING WITH CENTRAL HEATING SYSTEM THERMOSTAT OR THOSE PIPE THINGS. POT GETS HOT AND WATER EVAPORATE. JUST TO COMPENSATE OXYGEN DEFFICIENCY.
@@aliasad4627 Yes, thats why seller mentioned their service area ISB, RWP, Muree and other northern areas. It doesn't make sense for most of the Pakistan, unless you got faltoo money.
Your videos were good because they didn't had other people being interviewed in, it was you who used to research and come up presenting . We want your quality videos, please!
I wonder whether insulation would be an interesting follow-up video. Lots of people with Solar in their homes insulate their homes to reduce their energy consumption for heating/cooling. Most homes/apartments I see in Pakistan are not insulated though. You also have to take care when insulating to have some source of fresh air
They will never do it, for atleast coming 20 years
To my understanding you need to have a very good insulation system so that heat loss is prevented. So for old constructions you must put on an extra 1 to 2 million for installing insulated windows or doors. In Pakistan I dont think people have any clue of installing insulated windows or doors. The insulation I remember there was to prevent lizards or mouse to enter the house, other than that heat or cold insulation is no priority while constructing the house. May be things have changed in the past years since I moved from Pakistan but I dont hear that from family or friends there.
Can we your Gyser instead of the boiler or boiler can be used for two purposes i.e use of warm water and heating the room through this system?
Have you got underfloor htg in Pakistan is celotex available in Pakistan
Owais, pertinent topic - installation of ASHP (airsource Heat pumps) or fuel based central heating system are not cheap anywhere in the world (google BUS- boiler upgrade scheme). Designing a central heating system with proper heatloss calculation for a property involves a professional which should be left to heating engineers. The key to these systems are efficient and smart homes with insulation to minimise heat loss and enhance efficiency. Immersion heating is the most inefficient way of heating water. Heating is mostly required either early morning or in evening when there is no solar so heating through electric boiler will not be cheap. My take on this topic is that if you already have a central heating system installed, improve insulation to minimize heatloss, use weather compensation and smart thermostats to save fuel and use stainless steal radiators for better efficiency.
thanks Owais for sharing these info.
Nice Vlog, very informative for Northern Areas....
Suffocation to nahin hoti reversible ac mein, meine humidifier lagaya hua hai aur sath mein japanese heater (gas+elec) and its awesome. But yes humidifier is must
The water remains in closed loop between the heat exchanger and heat pump so how they claim that humidity can be controlled by these radiators?
The fresh air recirculation and humidifier/ionizer can maintain the humidity/air quality. I belive this info needs to be updated from the vendor in this video.
Brother the supplier gave wrong explanation about working principle of environmental control system.
In air conditioner the heat exchanger condenses the humidity of air in a room. In the case of central heating, it is a closed loop system and hot working fluid (water or oil) is circulated and warm the air in the room.
So practically it doesn't have any effect on air except raising the temperature.
Running cost ni btai apny???
RMG development can install UK boilers if required
This is a very good system for cold areas.
Its useless without insulation.
I live in Denmark and I am a regular follower of your channel. I was thinking about installing this sstem at my parents home in Pakistan but this video has demotivated me. This person's presentation skills need some work. A country with energy crisis needs innovative solutions and adding only different kind of boilers which run on gas, electricity and other sources does not cut it. I am not an engineer but I believe that with a bit of innovation, one could use this system at a much cheaper price in Pakistan. I have been thinking about it for a while. pn how to use a normal electric geaser with a small boiler for these heaters.
i think this heating solution isn't a viable solution because of rising gas prices and considering the availability of gas. Dc inverter is a better solution as it is more economical and works both ways, as an ac and a heater.
Thank you Owais Bhai . Nice video
Aoa
Why they don't have option wood boiler?
Can you Start a patreon Page or something so that people can give you a token of appreciation. Similar to what Muzammil Hasan does
Exactly 👍
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Firstly, I would recommend turning off stereo mode in Mic as its a podcast and different volume sound when using headphones just feel awkward and wrong.
Secondly regarding central heating, there is some misinformation, regarding humidity, when using gas heater, it actually has less effect compared to electric as burning gas is producing H2O to as part of combustion, thought it still cause dryness, but since heaters in Pakistan don't come with auto cut-off on gas failure, it poses gas dangers, not to mention CO poisoning due to lack of Ventilation. Coming to Inverter AC heater or simple electric heater, they both heat air causing humidity to drop, I use inverter AC heater which as you know is very energy efficient, and to address humidity, I use humidifier. The central heater in this video is also only heating air via hot water inside the radiator, the water is not coming in contact with air, so it cannot increase/maintain humidity.
Thirdly, regarding running it on solar, people can reduce solar requirement by using inverter refrigerant boiler just like inverter AC, I am not sure if anyone is importing it, and it would be expensive, but it would reduce solar requirement greatly like 3 times.
Further I would add,
i. please avoid it on NG/LPG unless necessary as our country is already facing severe shortage, instead force the seller to arrange inverter boiler and install on Solar (those installing it on homes/commercial will have deep pockets anyway).
ii. Have your home insulated, in europe they also use rockwool, expanded foam etc insulation in roof and walls, to reduce heat load requirement, as with central heating you are asking for constant heat from boiler, so making home energy efficient in first place is also important.
Lastly, if pocket permits, I would also like to have this system, as this allows constant temperature in whole house, not like inverter AC blowing hot air and then waiting for room to chill and repeat, and not having some rooms cold and some hot, etc, we are comfort creature and if affordable we go for it. One point I hope someone does in Pakistan is to introduce residential central cooling/heating using chilled/hot water as combined system using inverter technology, currently this is possible for commercial use, but being commercial its eye watering expensive. Also with this system, one can add insulated underground water tanks to act as a storage medium to allow for cooling/heating even without solar, water has large specific heat, so one can get away with 2000-3000 gallons storage capacity.
The audio channels are reversed in the video. Leftside ki awaaz right handsfree se aa rahi hai and vice versa
Tu apnay hands free ki side change kr Kay na bro. Tention Kaye ko letaa Hai yaaar 😂
@@aliRk-bh3nb The air pods and other such devices are designed with specific contours hence R can't fit L and vice-versa.
In the beginning the vendor said that his system is better because it works on water so does not reduce humidity in the room. Incorrect. The system works on a closed water loop and water does not come into contact with air circulating in the room. So it can not increase humidity. It would dehumidify air like any other heating device. Secondly, heat pumps (commonly known as inerter A/C's) have the highest COP and hence, the most efficient mode of space heating.
Who is going to pay 4 breakdown and maintenance? Cost separate.
simple and easy way use Radiator heater, better then inverter ac or any other electric heater, it does not produce dryness or suffocation in room, this system v.costly and so much difficult to install in home. i am using radiator heater for last 14 years & its perfect.
Bhai price kiya hay or shop kdr hay ap ki
This system is feasible when you have a huge family and every room is occupied, I have experienced this system in one of my friends house and it was very effective.
He said it humidifies the room where as the water don't come in contact with the room environment ?
actully, it does not humidify the room because water stays inside which heats up the element. Since it creates less heat over prolonged period of time compared to Gas-heater, therefore it removes less water from air. But with Gas, you get toxic gases inside house, so here in this case it wins from gas.
The best cost effective system is to buy electric oil-filled radiators, they work on similar concept, oil trapped inside radiators heats up the room without producing any toxic gases.Even if you turn it off, the oil inside radiator keeps room warm for sometime
@@brusque4u What do you say what is oil-filled radiators running cost ? Considering rising electricity prices is it has the cheapest running cost?
Very informative video
Very good information
I got installed radiant boiler. Gas bill goes rocket high. If you call expert just for a minor issue he will charge 3000 for visit. Spare parts of boilers are very expensive. Gas gets interrupted many times thus putting the system off. Not recommended.
Can we control via mobile when to switch on and off. I am using in abroad
Yes it can be operated by WiFi room thermostat by the app on your phone ( Google nest ect)
Ye jo device hain bacho kay leye kasi haim safe hain dangerous hain kya haim
Make a video on Solar Water Geysers
Great effort Owais
Aoa owais bhai, kindly make video on the oil radiator heaters like dilonghi and black and decker.
I would appreciate it if you could convert the audio to Mono instead of Stereo or manually adjust it so that we can hear the audio from both ears.
What's the annual running cost and maintenance cost for this system.
The boiler need annual service for sure. Radiators are low maintenance normally.
These systems are not feasible in pakistan. Its a system but its not great the most cheap systems are HOT/COLD, DC inverters. You can run them in Solar for free they dont eat your oxygen like fire place or gas heater. You can use Humidifier to set a humidity level. These systems are very efficient in Wood base houses plus where utilities are cheap. Water Quality should be clean too otherwise Solvents will clog your pipes over the course of period. You have to run Vinegar at slow speed for 12 hours a day after a season to maintain your lines.
Great idea as I have this system in my house in UK but in pakistan load shedding of gas nd electricity how would it work?
solar
There is shortage of water as well
Owais this is ineffective and expensive if you see the current and future energy crisis coming to Pakistan. Inverter ACs are best for heating in the winter because they use 1 unit of electricity but provide 3 units of heat. There is a reason why west is switching to AC or heat pumps as it can save on electricity costs and run-on renewables. Even in the UK people are replacing boilers with Heat pump-based heating solutions. The boiler is simply replaced with a heatpump and it continues to function like before. However in Pakistan due to high temperature in summers it will be better to just use an AC in heating mode during winters as it is much cheaper and readily available and will work in summers too
Awais bhai you didnt asked the important question of running cost of different systems like electric gas and diesel. How much it will consume per day/ hour. Also those who have solar system intalled in their homes they have good option of reversible ac .which i think is very cost effective than the centralised heating system which is very costly for any normal household in pakistan. Please do a thourough comparison of each system with cost analysis. Which is better for normal households.
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Great info.
Informative
Does this system operate on ordinary water ?
In my opinion, This system is not feasible in Pakistan because of gas shortage, expensive electricity, and this system itself very expensive
Any heating and air conditioning is almost running in opened doors if the house is no insulated. Better insulation can save energy use in summer or winter up to 80%, buildings control and regulations should include minimum insulation of walls roof and door and windows. Without that it’s just lighting the fire outside I’m open and expecting a heated room!
One of a kind video🤩🤩
It's very common in UK . every house has this system.. unfortunately in Pakistan every thing is difficult
Would be great if you could add a video showing operating cost comparison between blower type gas heater and reversible split air conditioner. I think if your electricity cost is greater than Rs 10 per unit then using blower type gas heater is cheaper assuming gas billing is under 400 m3 per month.
400 per m3, nice joke, SNGPL current billing slabs makes customers scream if consumption goes beyond 3 cubic meter, now new connection I heard are being given against LNG at 1200 rupee per m3 (dont remember exact unit). Also not to mention gas load shedding.
In most cities cold only for 2 months maximum.
Sir Humidety hogi to room main sayeem aye ge dewarin kharab ho jain gy
Nice expensive system dear
Brilliant system.
Top of the range radiators beyond the means of most people in Europe.
Aap solar geyser pr BHI video zaroor karein
Kindly discuss central cooling and heating both option in Pakistan
This is Punjab not Calgary Canada. I would prefer inverter AC which owais Bhai you are using.
Gb and North have no gas.
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In Pak best option is Electric Inverter AC/Heater. Pak homes are not for centrally A/c , no insulation etc, Hotels, offices etc are good for this system. Save 30Lack & spend it on solar. ❤🇺🇸
05:22 Aur to sb thk he, 30 years ho gy hein km krty huey.. inki age kitni he 🤔
Geo thermal cooling/heating, best cheap solution for cooling heating
Air ends up in the system then what call them and pay them.
bhai jaan iss se acha to korea ka model hai and sasta b check it yes sistem korea ne mutaraf karways tha in korea koi 25 sal se b zyada ho gya hai use hote hue 20 sal se to mein use kar raha hoon
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پھر رھنے ھی دو۔ تین مہینے ھوتے ھیں۔ ڈبل رضای لے لیں گے۔
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Please make next video on solar review
سسٹم کی لائف کتنی ھے،اور فرش میں پائپ کا جوڑ لیک وغیرہ ھو جائے تو پورے گھر کا ستیاناس ھوگا یا ادھے کا؟
phelay solar lagwao phir electic boiler lagwao wa g wa:)sai hai
The vendor very proudly said they are working for last 30 years and that all the equipment is Italian.
Had he put in some effort, he'd have introduced something indigenous in Pakistan.
What's the difference between him and the other people importing things from abroad and prove to be a liability on the national exchequer
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Turmaz Energy is one of the worst solar companies I have ever experienced.
I have installed 10 KW system through Turmaz Energy.
1. Quotation was not itemized. The steel structure was installed by 14 & 16 years old kids.
2. The agreed time of installation was one week and they were even not able to finish the job in 3 months.
3. They don't attend the calls and answer the queries.
4. They told me that the job is complete so pay us our final amount, when I inspected the arrestor was not even installed, and to date no commitment when they are going to install.
I would highly alert people not to deal with them. We follow you but this put some extra responsibility on your shoulders to make sure that the companies are reliable.
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v v v good video jk
It's not a criticism, just a fact and to get in the correct frame of mind, that Pakistan is at least 70 years behind the world. If you watch movies from 40s, 50s, 60s, you'll see devices, methods, and protocols that are currently thought to be a luxury point in Pakistan. Few examples, Automatic Glass Doors, Water Dispensers, Coffee Machines, Escalators, Malls, Billing Counter in the Mall, Paying Cards, Montessori / School Systems, Folding (Murphy) Beds, Extendable Furniture (we still don't have it), Burger huh! :) Deli Food (they have almost discarded it now, but our TV Ads proudly show fashionable Moms feeding this to the family), it's a long list. Let's not just follow 50 years later. Let's look at what the developed world has today and bring that to your home. And let's perhaps go further and lead the world.
Almost nothing that you mentioned above is essential for a good life though. For example I don't miss automatic glass doors. For me Karak Chai is better than Coffee Machine and a good full time cook is better than Deli food. Non stop social media and TV both increase and decrease the quality of life at the same time. I smell just fine without perfumes and deodorants...... and so on. Sophistication and simplicity both have their own charm.
1- Inverter AC doesn't consume Oxygen, its fairly comfortable and reliable
2- i hate it when people diss Pakistan by saying, koi local cheez nahi hai ... 30 saal se kaam kar rahay ho bhai, expert ho, bajaye selling karne k, local industry laga lo is ki!
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Just 1 year warranty? In Western countries its common to have 5 to 10 years warranty on boilers.
Yes but then I pay around $35 CAD for monthly rent. I am sure anyone can offer this service with this kind of bill.
This system suits very rich in Pakistan, first u need dual system of boilers, gas, electric or reinforced by solar cause we r not sure when 1 goes off. Operating cost of average 500 sqyd house can run as high as 1 lakh. Secondly, an effective system can be installed during construction stage ensuring pipes cover the floors as per manufacturers specs, small double glazed windows and some sort of air tight mechanism. For a middle class family, small house is preffered choice where the covered area should not exceed 2000 sqft even than the energy cost will run between 30-40000 rs.
My experience is bitter, this is marketing vid, he should have given a clearer pic.
*10 Lac Starting OMG...*
Bht mehnga dy rha ha i was in europe and they charge half of this price also its not smart device equipment its out dated units
It’s a very good thing… it is used widely in all cold countries… pakistan is way is behind that’s why we suffer in both summers and winters… this shouldn’t have been issue but Alas! Nothing has been done to comfort common people by governments and Army
After 30 years they are still not so clear about the ops. of the system, its not a HVAC just a HX through air.
They uses the logo of Aramco which is patent one soon they will receive legal notice.
Made a video on electric bike
Not feasible in Pakistan due to high cost and upcoming shortage of Gas. IMO using inverter AC as heater is most economical and environment friendly option. Especially if you have installed good rating solar system and energy efficient AC then you can use your AC as heater for free in whole winter. Looks like paid promo video.
Minimum cost 10lac
Gas bill separate
Yearly maintenance separate
Why?
Demo plz
Bohat expensive hay same setup for 12 rooms u can get cheeper
Price =10 lakh se 30 lakh
اگر اس سسٹم کو لگوایا جاے لیکن بجلی یا گیس کے بجاے اگ سے کام لیا جا سکتا ہے؟ کیونکہ ہمارے ہاں تو ویسے بھی سارا دن اگ جلایا جاتا ہے
G bilkul app kar saktay hain. Ya WASAY HE HA JASAY GAROLI MA READIATOR HOTA HA APP BHI KAR SAKTAY HAIN
furnance central heating is 100 times better and installation and running cost is 10 times less than this radiator type heating
He's saying because it's water based it keeps the body humid!! That is factually incorrect. It is a "sealed" system so there is zero humidity that escapes.... on a separate topic I would say underfloor heating would be better given the floors in pakistan are primarily tiles
Gas central htg in Pakistan...there's no full gas to run boiler thus boiler goes to lock out ..
Broiler 😂 Good video once again. 👍
Water is not being evoprated so this system will not increase the humidity.
Honestly, I don't see the point of central heating systems like this in Pakistan, I know 3 people who have installed this in Islamabad over the past 8 - 9 years and none are running because the cost of running is very high as our houses are much bigger. Secondly we have 3 months that are cold other than that we have a hot climate,even in winters our daytime temp is very pleasant. Best to buy individual electric radiators that you can heat one room at a time. And inverter ACs are a much better option. Even people in the UK, Europe and US don't run these systems all the time because of the running cost.
HOTELS are a different story.
Honest opinion would've been that this system is not suitable in Pakistan due to poor quality of tap water. Too many minerals and sediments, chokes the system in two years max.
For 3 million I would go solar and use inverter acs with a tiny humidifier.
خشکی والی کہانی بھائی نے چھوڑی ہے
ہیٹنگ سسٹم سے پانی باہر نہیں نکل رہا ہوتا
Matlab hai na lagai
اویس صاحب ۔
یہ ایک آپشن موجود ہے لیکن پاکستانی گھروں کیلئے یہ بہترین چوائس نہیں ۔ معذرت کے ساتھ ۔ شکریہ جناب
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It will be useless in most of Sindh and Punjab. As the Winter spell is very short. Also, everyone has inverter ACs now and can survive with them. Also the incremental cost of it is too high. Plus we have unreliable gas which is not even enough for basic cooking at home. I will run away from it.