The Great Divide with Hicham Bou Nassif & Ronnie Chatah

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  • Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
  • Ronnie Chatah is host of The Beirut Banyan podcast (‪@TheBeirutBanyan‬) founder of the WalkBeirut tour and opinion columnist for a variety of outlets on Lebanese affairs. You can find him on Instagram, Facebook & Twitter ‪@TheBeirutBanyan‬
    For this episode Ronnie is joined by Hicham Bou Nassif, Assistant Professor of Government at Claremont McKenna College. He is the author of numerous articles in academic journals including Democratization, International Journal of Middle East Studies, Middle East Journal, Political Science Quarterly, and The Journal of Strategic Studies.
    Hicham and Ronnie discuss long-term paralysis and political insecurity impacting all Lebanese communities while focusing in on demographic decline and notions of identity that have primarily shaped the Lebanese Christian experience post-independence.
    Timestamps:
    0:00 Introduction
    3:42 Do communities die?
    10:12 Post-independence experience
    12:35 Taif Agreement
    25:27 Fair chance
    35:50 Fouad Chehab
    41:59 Cairo Agreement vs 1958
    48:16 African American experience
    53:03 ‘Special relations’ with Syria
    58:01 Identity, senate & neutrality
    1:02:26 Port blast
    1:11:04 Cultural footprint & pluralism
    1:12:41 Neutrality
    1:17:36 Pluralism vs hierarchy
    1:19:57 A Lebanon without Christians?
    1:21:25 Martin Luther King, Jr vs Malcolm X
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 17

  • @alfredosauce1
    @alfredosauce1 Рік тому +2

    Excellent podcast, with great points made by Hicham

  • @JackIbrahim-mv6zt
    @JackIbrahim-mv6zt Рік тому

    Great discussion that is much needed!
    I hope you promote it more and even stream it on TV. We need more of these healthy constructed discussions instead of the populist talk shows.
    Looking forward for more of this!

  • @hanialayoubi
    @hanialayoubi Рік тому +1

    This was a beautiful discussion.
    Hicham raises a really good point about the communities responsibility. We can't really engage in any constructive conversation in the country without first accepting that each community is responsible for the actions of its representatives.
    Not all christians were owwet during the war, but it was owwet that represented that community and was supported by that community, same with hezeb, same with bashar asad and alawis. All communities effed up and it would counter productive to shift the blame from the communities to certain symbols, bet l asad or nabih berri etc...

  • @gusblacksmyth
    @gusblacksmyth Рік тому

    Beautiful talk. I think carving out a viable solution for Lebanon's future requires finding the right balance between Hicham's realpolitik and Ronnie's inspirational idealism while keeping in mind that both are essential ingredients.

  • @eyoutaw
    @eyoutaw Рік тому

    Very intresting discussion. I appreciate the fact driven perspective of Hicham, but I stand with the noble fight of Ronnie despite its extreme complexity and difficulty.

  • @tzahnan
    @tzahnan Рік тому

    Great episode and deserves a part 2

  • @chrisemaan
    @chrisemaan Рік тому

    Looking forward

  • @TheShacharZiv
    @TheShacharZiv Рік тому

    Great discussion. There as a lot Israel -Palestine can learn from the Lebanese experience. In my heart, I want a one-state democratic solution, but looking at the whole region, I don't see how Jews and Palestinians will be able to preserve a prosperous, strong democratic country facing outside intervention (from the US, Iran or China for instance).

  • @mireillekang3780
    @mireillekang3780 Рік тому

    Why is it that the podcast didn’t start with jazz music? Although I’m enjoying this conversation.

  • @thisismk1
    @thisismk1 Рік тому +1

    I was confused by who the guest / host is …. Ronnie had a lot of air time ….

  • @TheShacharZiv
    @TheShacharZiv Рік тому

    1:01:42 I'm quite baffled by this discussuon. Hezbollah is an army right now, it's not another militia. I'm not aware of any historical examples were such military powers gave it up volitionally. Maybe, Afrikaner South Africa is the closest example. How can you seriously discuss "Neutrality" in these circumstances?
    Who will disarm Hezbollah?
    Maybe I'm missing something, but from where I'm looking, the question seems only if Hezbollah controls all of Lebanon, or can the Christians carve out any part of Lebanon as some kind of autonomy or independence.
    Am I wrong?

  • @chad5615
    @chad5615 Рік тому

    Too short of a conversation to cover such a complex topic

  • @thepierre6
    @thepierre6 Рік тому +1

    Singapore was more diversified than Lebanon and manage to build a country .....

    • @chrisemaan
      @chrisemaan Рік тому +1

      With all respect look to the percentage of Muslims population in Singapore and you will get the point

    • @pierreyoussef5182
      @pierreyoussef5182 Рік тому +1

      ​@@chrisemaan ya wayle jeye ekteba 👌👌👌
      And for the guy talking about Singapore go and check the remarks made by lee kuan yew the founder of modern Singapore about islam and you'll figure out

  • @MD-pl8fr
    @MD-pl8fr Рік тому +1

    Hisham is a bit ignorant of shia identity, and a bit biased