EU4 1.33 Holland Guide - PLAYING TALL Is INSANE as Holland
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In this video titled EU4 1.33 Holland Guide - PLAYING TALL Is INSANE as Holland I make an EU4 Guide for Holland for Europa Universalis 4 1.33 France. With EU4 1.33 France releasing the meta and the starting moves for many nations on the map has changed, so of course new and up to date guides are needed. This EU4 Holland starting moves guide or EU4 Holland starting moves tutorial will ensure that you get a great start for yourself playing as the nation of Holland. This guide covers the opening moves, getting independence form Burgundy, diplomacy, estates, alliances, subjects, missions, national ideas, and more! Holland is one of the best nations for playing tall, having a massive army that is also extremely powerful, being extremely rich, dominating trade, forming The Netherlands and more! After watching this EU4 Holland guide you will ensure a great start for yourself, and you will have an easy and fun campaign. The save file is available for all Tier 1 and above UA-cam members in the save-games Discord channel.
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Beloozero 👀👀
Majapahit vassal swarm as shogun.
Plz do a guide on Wallachia
Korea celestial empire
Cusco into Inca maybe? (I recently got the Sun God acievement and is one of the most fun campaigns i had)
One reason that France is a better ally than England is that England tends to call you in in a war against France, but then keeps its armies in Britain, allowing France to overrun your country (as well as their own continental possessions), causing a period a poverty and devastation.
Historical speaking That is Pretty accurate 🤣😂🤣
Also England is a bit useless since it is not in continental europ and AI tend to be a bit messy if they have to fight oversea with no strait to cross
Also, England wants the Flanders provinces. They will rush there and you won’t get an option to take Brugge. France wants the direct Burgundian lands on their border so at least at the start they are OK if you take Flanders.
Dutch famine 500 years earlier then
All the major powers in that region have their pros and cons at different times. France is a good ally in the beginning, but later they can limit expansion. Austria is a good protector up until/unless they get the Burgundian Inheritance and suddenly they're on your border.
England ... Well, England eats your trade income and should be destroyed anyway.
Don't forget, in the next update, Holland (and other Dutch/Flemish culture nations) are going to get a new naval doctrine that not only buffs ship trade power, but also bumps colonial range by 33%.
I Hope the Hanseatic Citys get something similair. But would be hard tbh with all the Formables.
@@kalterverwalter4516 the devs said it would be cool, but in practice, those OPMs won't be getting the 20 naval force limit that let them actually pick the doctrine. But they also said that they might give one just for Lubeck, and that they might rework Lubeck's ideas.
@@josephcola9662 Great News. I Hope they Change so That Merchact Republics get Estates too. I really should start Reading the Dev Diaries 🤣
@@kalterverwalter4516 They also said they're doing that, since the faction system sucks and it's apparently easier to just also give Merchant Republics estates than rework the system.
next update will be 1.34 right
i'd recommend taking war reps instead of going full gold, because of low participation you dont get anything much
9:16 it's better to ask for War Reps rather than maxing the money. With recent patch changes the money is divided according to your war participation. As you can see, Holland only gets like 30 of the 370 ducets while war reps from burgundy gives you like +2 monthly ducets for 10 years, which is obviously more worth it for miles and miles.
And unlike ducats, war reps don't give any inflation
The AI knows war reps only go to you. Taking and splitting cash softens the trust loss; taking war reps adds to it.
@@gregbuchold9710 proof?
Yep, war reps would give you 8x more money
I actually hate to directly conquer outside of the lowlands in a Netherlands game. Usually I fight France to release Normandy before I take them as a vassal and make them transfer their trade to me, and then either ally and defend the Scottish to prevent England from forming GB, then start to -ab-use the condottieri system to keep the 2 in balance once Scotland starts to grow powerful. Often, I'll pop in late game to take London off England and make it into a Client State to transfer trade to me, and call it the "Free City of London".
Basically, I like to roleplay somewhat and make pretty borders while ALSO thinking about what might be optimal.
I would like to ask you to make two guides:
First - for Lithuania, just because it's my favourite nation in EU4.
Second ( *more important* ) - a guide on how to do estates stuff. It would be very short and quick, but also very helpful.
Thank you for your videos, and yes, you really *are* the best EU player of all time.
Ludi has a really good estate guide. It might be a lil outdated. :)
@@sainttesuque7940 Well, I want to hear it from the Red Hawk, he is the best EU4 player of all time, after all.
@@hlibushok if you need an estate guide ludi's is pretty good.
@@hlibushok I see you haven't met Florryworry yet...
I actually think putting one merchant collecting on your main trade node is probably the best thing you can do, specially early on
it does very little for trade power(only 2+ modifiers) but it's a flat 10% increase of whatever money you're getting from that
100 trade income? now its 110. Its rare early on that any merchant can give you so much money on it's own
Personally, I try to go for 3 (or even 4) provinces in the independence war, and I also try to give part of southern burgundy to France to keep them happy.
Antwerp is the most important because of the development, how close it is to you, the center of trade, and the fact that you can get faceting there if you rush Renaissance for lots of cash in the long run. Breda is also a great grab, but I prefer to grab land in the state of Flanders, because that state has a bonus to passive Renaissance generation, and since it doesn't start in the HRE, it doesn't cost as much AE. If you're on top of your diplo game with improving relations, and have France as an ally, you can take Antwerp and annex Flanders and not have a coalition declare on you. Then, while waiting for AE to tick down, rival all your small neighbors in the Rhineland and the Netherlands. Declare humiliation wars, taking the humiliation and cash in 1 of them for the age objective, and show strength in the other two to farm 600 mana points. Between truces and the fact that humiliation wars lock you out of taking land, you're going to be active and getting benefits from the war (and insane power projection, which means +1 mana in every category once it's above 50), but AE and a potential coalition is also ticking down. And if you eclipse any of those small rivals while you wait for AE to tick down, you can farm even more mana by show strength wars. Ideally, your second war where you take land is either against England and just taking Calais for yourself (you have a mission later on as the Netherlands where you can force them into a PU if you stay a monarchy or the Orangists are in control if you went with the Dutch Republic) and giving any other of their holdings in Europe to France, or a second war on Burgundy (or Brabant if they still exist) once the truce runs out. From there, take your time consolidating the Netherlands, and don't actually form it until you have all the HRE provinces in the lowlands under your control, because it makes you leave the Empire.
From there, bide your time to bump diplo tech and take exploration and then expansion. Nab centers of trade on the African coast, grab the small islands with few/no natives that Spain and Portugal like to take, lock down the Cape, and then hop over to the Spice Islands and Malaysia. Of course, you can also go into India or even China at that point, and the Dutch mission tree does give you an inroad into Sri Lanka for a start in the region.
As for religion, it's up to you, but if you want to RP, go Reformed.
I had a Tuscany game where France got the entire Burgundian inheritance, but after it had integrated its vassals it was PUed by Austria! It was insane.
Great guide! But I see that you really undervalue prestige. Prestige does many things, but especially important for this situation is that at 100 prestige you get -10% aggressive expansion (less AE when you take land) and +50% to improve relations (making AE decay MUCH faster), which scales down to no bonus at 0 prestige. Combine these bonuses from prestige with a +20% improve relations advisor and you will be able to conquer WAY faster without getting into coalition problems. You can get prestige from peace deals instead of cash. Bonus with getting prestige fast is that you will very probably get the 'faceting' event for Antwerp which will change production there to gems and give a bonus to its production and trade value.
Hey... started a Holland run recently but put it on pause so this will help.
As for running away into the HRE, since I had England, France and Aragon, I used my fleet to transport the troops to Caux (built more infantry in Amsterdam to force limit) and was able to get a high war score. This clearly works and doesn't drain diplomatic points, but is only viable if you have England and control the seas I realize.
Victory was easy with 100% with about 15 countries threatening a coalition as I took Brugge, Gent and Antwerpen.
Of course I lost France right away and England within six months but was able to get a few HRE members which, along with Aragon, kept the wolves at bay.
I have now allied Austria as Aragon fell under the Iberian wedding and am trying to figure out what to do which is where this new guide could be handy. Thanks.
I enjoy your stuff and I really appreciate that you make the guides quite methodical, explain your reasoning (most of the time) and avoid the freakishly lucky 1% events to make your content more applicable.
As well, really enjoy your collaboration with the Socialstreamers and Zlewikk.
ciao
Update for 1.34 "Sweden":
**With the changes to Northern Lords; First and full most, make sure to seize land immediately before giving nobles expanded levy, because they become except from land seize after. **
Now You do not need to worry about having to seek independence from Burgundy, you can simply put all your early efforts into trade and saving up ducats to buy buildings as they become available as you tech up; You'll want your overlord to stay alive as long as possible because the 3 heirs that follow are all garbage bar the final one which triggers the succession crisis (she's decent). But most the time he usually only lives for 4 years, which is good enough for you to tech up on time or slightly ahead of everyone else (except ottomans) netting you nice innovative points. Also Burgundy *will* invest in building churches on your lands too, so you'll be able to build 2 churches right away, one you build yourself and another they build, if you're willing to take loans right away (and Holland can get away with borrowing a lot of money early on) then you can build all your buildings as you unlock them in every province, yes you lose money in the short time, but it facilitates growth in the long term. Why do I say don't worry about seeking independence?
Because unlike before 1.34 where the succession was hit or miss, now it always happens and is forced, so you can just sit back and wait for the emperor to force Burgundy to give you independence, which they usually always accept. The only problem is sometimes France will immediately declare a PU war on Burgundy dragging you into it, but it also will drag in... everyone else too while rarely would France's allies join in. So feel free to sit back and wait it out because France will rarely beeline it for your provinces... usually. If you want you can also just restart till you get a favourable outcome. All of this usually goes down 20 years after game start, roughly around the time you'll get Renaissance. I recommend against spending power points on rushing Renaissance or development, as it is cheaper to tech up this early. Instead you should use it to get Colonialism after you have got prosperity as well as all the development buffs you can acquire via pope as well as Holland ideas (roughly around 1490 to 1451) so dev cost is only 11 to 50 points max.
Keep in mind the AI now seems to love castle rushing and will build a lot of forts around you on land you need to form Netherlands, this is a blessing and a curse, it is a blessing because when you take it you get more defence and army tradition (bonus!) you didn't have to invest ducats into. The downside is that it also means it takes longer to take those provinces. The only upside to all this is they can't afford those castles despite building them because the new AI was designed by game designers who lack any lateral thinking when it comes to knowing the AI has the same economy as the player, which means they will bleed into dept when you fight them while you will be swimming in ducats regardless because you're a trading powerhouse. The only thing you need to be concerned about is making sure you don't get blockaded; Holland relies on it's trade to make money since if you're smart, you'll be leasing out all production to private companies for lump sum payouts while also not having to worry about taking up early building slots with workshops. You make money from trade, not from a centralised economy.
Another thing to keep in mind when forming the Netherlands is that you get a mission tree that lets you PU England but it requires you to have 60% crown land and be a monarchy. So I like to never sell titles as Holland early game and keep seizing land as I expand throughout the lowlands, then once I hit 60% crown lands and think I can beat England (and the Emperor if I don't have all of the lowlands e.g. because of the Burgundian succession) I take the decision to form the Netherlands and immediately declare a PU war on England. If you don't declare the war before you get the event to change to the dutch government then you only get claims on some of England and you miss out on getting a coloniser subject.
You can get that PU if the Orangists are in power, and you keep it from that point onward like the normal PU rules (so at least keep Orangists in power with a relatively young ruler until they have a positive opinion and are loyal).
I like to wait until they form Great Britain and get that as a PU. Same effort and similar AE for bulkier subject.
You can get the PU anytime, it's just needs the slider to be in monarchists side, aka orangists.
Why would you PU them when you can actually conquer London and the English channel provinces 🤑🤑
I love Brabant so much for forming the netherlands to be honest, Je maintiendrai is the funniest achievement I've ever played alongside a fine goosestep + an early reich
I never take admin as 1st two ideas. I always take a diplo and mil idea to make sure my monarch points are always balanced. And then right after I reach 10 admin tech I focus admin and complete admin ideas. I also make sure I pair up my ideas properly so I can complete 1 of each policy area..
pro tipp: dont take money because you have not much war participation. give france 1 or 2 provinces so they stay your ally and maybe even get 10 favors to call them into the next war against burgundy. and if you think you are really luck: you can get the burgundian inheritance if you royal marry burgundy.
The way I see it if you let burgundy been inhereted you can just release burgundy and take back all the lowlands as cores. It is cheaper and I think is even faster. Also as you get less AE you can feed on neighbours 1 or 2 provinces
If you want you keep France as an ally just don't touch french region provinces.
It happened to me as well in a game with France, got a PU over Austria, then 50-100 years later got a PU on Prussia. Noice!
The basic rules to trade that I've figured out is:
1.) If you are weak or tiny compared to your neighbors in your main trade node, especially if you're a OPM, prioritize sending a Merchant to collect in your main trade node. It's not efficient, but the main trade node is the most important, and all of your money is made there, so any buff to your trade power there is valuable. Do note that past about 40% trade power, it's almost certainly going to make you more money to transfer.
1a.) If you are that weak and have a coast line, you should also be privateering to the best of your ability in that main node, because, while privateering is inefficient, it's also a good source of money when you don't have much trade power.
2.) Transfer in chains, going out from your main node. Early on, just transfer in the most valuable nearby nodes. Later, find an extremely valuable node that you can almost completely control and try to transfer it as directly as possible into your main node.
3.) Do not be afraid to just totally redo your trade occasionally. You get all the benefits immediately on the month ticks, and, if you fuck it up, it's unlikely that a single month of lost revenue bankrupts you.
Just build a shit ton of light ships xd
I think I got really lucky my first time as Holland... i simply secured support for independence from france and castille right away and burgundy just released me.
Couple of suggestions.
1. Get a royal marriage with Austria on December 11, then improve relations with Austria during war. As long as you don't take any HRE provinces in independence war, Austria will def. ally you after war is over. That way you won't have to worry about the -25 hit for not returning HRE land.
2. Just move your army into Brabant before you start war. Your army will be black flagged and you won't have to worry about them getting destroyed or even manpower issues. Your allies are going to do all the work for you, you are more than likely not going to matter in the independence war.
3. Only take Flanders lands if you can. If you can't (like England occupying Flanders), no worries! Just take independence and give provinces to France to build a bunch of favors. You're gonna get rid of any alliances with England once war is over anyway, so don't bother helping them.
You will be in an awesome position if you follow these steps. Super easy situation to expand with big brother France indebted to you.
i usually take 3 provinces. either all of flanders or 3 from brabant.
One should clarify, if you go for both England and France to support independence it makes it likely even highly likely that Burgundy abandons the PU
Remember to NOT form the Netherlands after you revoke the privilegia as a HRE emperor
Hey Red Hawk, what ideas and general tips you would recommend as Wallachia's Dracula Revengen and forming the Roman Empire?
You can really speed up colonization by taking a province from Brittany or killing an Irish OPM. Brittany very often allies one of Friesland/Utrecht/Gelre. This is usually my first war. You can go for Ireland with Claims bordering claims.
I'd say the best scenario is having france and austria as rivals of burgundy; though austria now very rarely rivals em I've had em both support my independence even in this patch.
last time they weren't even rivals of eachother so I could even keep em both
edit: I should probably add that I think I prefer austria over england because you'll get an automatic alliance with the emperor after breaking free
edit2: I also don't think I'd take galley combat ability; afaik I've never built a single galley in the history of ever as holland - well seems like you rectified that :P
I’m so used to A-Z that I thought the video was gonna skip ahead after he said “time to do some estate stuff”
when i pick the same estates as you and seize land there is immediately a revolt
Paradox needs to fix England’s army not supplying troops to calls of war asap
Hi Red Hawk, I've been watching guides for different nations for several expantions now and I feel like overall none of the content creators ever put guides for new patches in the context of the old patch (basically how it's different). Do you thing this is something you could introduce in your guides in the future?
i think ludi did it, no?
you have basics here, you have to think
@@muhdhadif5793 Ludi should eat that Haggis already.
@@muhdhadif5793 Ludi cheats :/
@@Mr_Mcgee_ I don’t think so
From what i know is i take 3brabant provinces in the independence war then wait for ae to go down and take rest of Netherlands
I LOVE UR VIDEO ❤️❤️❤️
Interestingly, I formed the netherlands fairly late, and didn't know that I would leave the HRE, but the League War fired pretty soon after, and then I was suddenly the Holy Roman Emperor, which lasted until I became a republic a couple of years later.
Worst part is burgundy abbandoning your pu so you have to fight them alone.
You should do mod guides like guides for Elysia in Third Odyssey or Francia in Ante Bellum
When I played this, I tried to do the military access but still couldn't get out of Holland because of the fort in Antwerpen, I could only move to Breda because Gelre, Friesland, and Utricht will not give you military access
I JUST formed the Netherlands with Holland. Now let's see I did it right
Hey i'm wondering why trade is taken so late doesnt trade give you more money then economic idea or is the economic idea more used for the devcost reduction?
Dang, just saw this after I made a Holland run 2 days ago and am already over 100 years in, just my luck hahahaha
Mongolia into Yuan (keep mandate for immersion) or Trebizond guide next?
I mistakenly missed " Hi everyone !" cuz of the audio problems had to restart the video!
So, can someone explain the whole enabling states general, then switching, then switching back thing? It doesn’t make much sense to me, especially if you’re going to have the Dutch republic reform anyway
Doing a second run as Holland right now, the first one I chose France as an ally, but this time around I got Castille and Austria, and I regret nothing. I went to war with France and England twice and won both, and this way I won't have the big blue blob next door, conflicting with me over Flanders, and Austria and Castille don't really have goals in the English Channel, so now I am doing 20 year cicles on beating up England and France with my two allies, England even has Normandy and Gascony, that's how weak France is. But I also focused on colonization early on.
I've played Holland a couple of times and i usually end up taking provinces from Flanders since the Flanders region spawns renaissance. This enables me to make more money from selling it to my bigger neighbors. What is the specific reason you recommend getting Antwerpen over Brugge? Is the reasoning that you would always dev Amsterdam to 30 dev and therefore get the institution early regardless?
Doesn't the country capital have to be in Italy to spawn the Renaissance?
I think the Main reason is faceting. Pretty Strong Event.
I expand administration often when playing talk for the extra province modifiers
Tall*
Me who doesn't have the dlcs and can't "ask to support independence."
What DLC allows you to Ask to Support Independence from other nations.
Plan ahead your wars and improve relations with people who would join coalitions
Just started this game, but i get confused. I started version 1.35 but rolled back to 1.34, then 1.33 and now even 1.30. The menu you show at 2:45 also shows a diplomacy tab where you can ask for support for indepence. That entire tab doesnt show up at my game? What am i doing wrong?
I'm just wondering why you drop the "the" from The Hague 😅
guide video 3 of requesting a Walachia --> Romania guide.
Genoa!!!
hey, big fan of ours from Brazil, greetings!
Brasil Sil Sil Sil Sil
Make more late game videos please!
the question is. Why not just starting as burgundy instead much more easy and well better starting with much more opportunities in case of conquering
not much fun i like to play as small nations and grow big and dutch ideas are better as well
I get all my places developed to 25-30, should I not be ?
how do you avoid the emperor demanding unlawful territory? I don't manage to get far in this guide due to Austria taking back everything i take :/
Ally them then relations up. They don’t typically demand unlawful territory from friends
Which dlc's are ye using?
A i love you video's.
B i love the way you always say "strenghten Noble priveleges" on the same tone
C its Den Haag en not Haag
I got England, France, castile, and Denmark to support my independence and just as I was about to declare war... I was free....
same thing just happened to me. burgundy noped out of fighting savoy, england and the HRE
What dlc do you have?
I can't find how to make them support my independance
Lol i just startet an Holland game 2 days ago 🤣
Everytime i try to fight an independence war, France and England simply peace out after a while, do you have some advice for me ?
Seems like you’re too slow, try to help out in sieges
When will the next karaoke stream be ? 😁
What is the mod for this map
I didn’t catch it. Do you recommend staying catholic or going Protestant or reform?
make guide about jianzhou pls
Went to war against England , with the help of Denmark and Den had a brainfart and left all its navy at home so i lost all my navy , amazing ai , France is stuck on 7% warscore with England for 30+ years , im interested what stupidity ai will do next
Red hawk are you Dutch?
1. Since you are taking LOADS of burgher loans ... how are you replenishing Mercantilism, which is a nice thing to have?
2. I'd think that "invading Britain" to get a center of trade or two from them for the English Channel AND because they are "a bit closer to the colonies" with some of their provinces. Having a beach head will make further conquests EASY, because the english AI is quite dumb when it comes to fighting, due to them being spread over many territories that are separated by water. This invasion COULD start in Ireland as well ...
I think by building marketplaces& production buildings you get much more value than some mercantilism. It's never worth to spend mana to on boosting mercantilism. Development always is better
Why take money? You get 20 ducats out of it.
Why the emperor of the HRE dont declare war on you when you invade other countries?
Would you recommend going Protestant or staying Catholic as the Netherlands?
Protestant for trade bonus
the red hawk dude. you should only collect in your home trade node. collecting in other places makes you lose your upstream trade power bonus
How come Austria is not demanding unlawful territory when you're taking HRE land, is this because you're allied to France and its protecting you? I thought you had to be allied to the emperor to stop this.
Red hawk be like: "lets bring clickbate title on the next level" adding 10.000 gold/Month on the title
Clickbait over 9000😵
I mean it helps when you can't come up with a title
Who is the guy in the thumbnail
Willem of Orange
Do a Lübeck Guide. Not enough people know how Insane OP Lübeck is. And maybe do one for Rothenburg as Well they are insanly OP Military wise. 🤣
Flanders is the better Holland. :)
hello
I have to disagree with your Quality Idea as first selection. The 'buffs' to FL and MP are best applied after you have been able to, and built, the relevant buildings, and utilized Mana to develop your provinces (for MP specifically) as they are % buffs not a flat number. I'd rely on your 'humanity' to compensate for taking Innovative first, or perhaps, if you insist, a different Military idea, or one that leans into military, like Admin for Merc bonuses (relevant as they have their own MP pool). Just a suggestion if you want to max out the Quality Idea.
As someone who doesn't have any dlc all these guides are usellles because you can't ask to support independent. So cloud you like make a guide without dlcs or say in your videos what you can do if you don't have any dlc please.
get dlc stop complain it’s 4.99
@@internaut864 which dlc you need to do that?
@@laxklein101 Steam gives you every DLC for $4.99 a month
I don’t know how quantity hasn’t been needed. It’s blatantly op in that ONE idea completely trivializes the game. It really should come with heavy economic penalties and unrest to represent that people don’t like being cannon fodder
No one would pick something that negatively impacts them in such a significant manner. All Ideas are bonuses that any nation can pick, making them also provide a downside makes taking them feel more like a punishment. Also once you pick an idea group you get events related to that group, some of which are positive, some are negative which meant to help represent what you are talking about.
But wait how do you go colonizing West Africa and than India as he said? In the early 1500 you do not have that far colonial range to colonize there yet and based on what he showed us, he will only have holdings in the English Channel not in Ireland or Portugal or something like that, so how do you do it? Do you even colonize or just declare war on one of those african factions?
Please help.
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Red Hawk Was first lol imagine being second
@@mysterium1a315 😿
Not bad dude
Cap bruh.