Lisa Davis that would takes much time for you to finish dressing,and it would also weigh too much,also it would also be hard if you would like to go to the bathroom
With modern manufacturing techniques, it wouldn't be so expensive, if the demand were as high as the demand were for electronic devices, automobiles, and so forth. But it's too inconvenient and uncomfortable for modern tastes. It's more realistic to join or start a period re-enactment group for the 18th century and thus "play" with friends and associates who share your interests.
Because just like in the 18th century...The average person could not afford it. The cost of quality clothing like this would be out of reach of the average worker...Not to mention the fact that this fashion was only practical to a ruling class that did not work and had servants to help them dress and undress. You also have to live in a certain setting to wear this clothes daily. Only a leisure class would/could wear this much clothing on a daily basis. And only a very specific sort of leisure class: One that lived in large estates. Even the average modern millionaire would look stupid in these clothes because they do not live in the setting, nor have people to dress and undress them. These clothing would look silly and out of place in the average modern household.
Cutie mimi I think the only thing standing between us and some modified revival of this kind of costume is the desire to show skin, i.e. sex appeal. But if you let yourself put that aside, I think there are lots of possibilities for revivals of 18th and 19th C. fashions, with some updating of course. I for one would like to see it, the popular way that people dress just encourages Jersey Shore type behavior. (As if each garment lowered your IQ by 10 points.)
Those are my favourite parts about the men's fashion!!!! It's those adorable black bows they tie in their long hair (and it's LONG HAIR dammit) UGH it's just perfect I love it, so gorgeous and romantic.
Yeah i agree,such an art of culture,i’m really fascinated by this.I don’t like tight things like jeans or others,i prefer dresses.It’s more confortable ❤️✨ I totally agree with you ! As i always say,we lost something important !
For theses people who say : it’s heavy. It is ! But not all mostly the heavy dresses are important dresses like for evenings,parties,for important days ! You know,there’s some dresses who’s not that heavy.I know what i’m saying :)
court clothes were romantic...step outside of versailles, kensington palace, or other palaces, chateaux and country estates and you wouldnt be so thrilled.
lucy rosevelt Yes. You can’t just wear exquisite clothing, people were taught to move gracefully and elegantly. Even hand movements were important and how to hold a fan in your hands. You are right. There was a certain movement like a dancer. Today, people do not walk gracefully, sit gracefully. There is slouching, crude movements. So sad.
Absolutely gorgeous, especially the last costume the model wore. I do early dancing and my speciality period is Georgian. I have made costumes for both myself and my husband and enjoy the designing and sewing. May I copy the design of the last dress covered in ribbon flowers? It's so good I have to repeat, absolutely gorgeous. From an English admirer.
I love theses so much ! It’s so an art of culture ! It’s not tight not stuffy,it’s comfortable.You feel like flying,breathing some great air ! And it’s really beautiful.❤️so much respect for theses who continue into theses kind of dresses. *We lost something very important*
Is there a full length version of this demonstration? I am a writer and I want to write a fictional novel set in the French courts during the reign of Louis XV and I want to know more about the fashion.
Thank you so much. I would love it so much if the Getty would do some sort of living in the 18th video project with period clothes like Barr's. The Regency has been done, but not Georgian/Louis XV/XVI... I crave this period so much and there's so little available. Please do it :D
For the life of me, I've never understood peoples total infatuation with the regency, the fashion,especially for women is quite limited, white muslin gown...maybe a spencer jacket butunlessyou're talking napoleonic court gowns, boring.
Dior's New look was supposed to revive femininity after the austerity of the war...it was probably heavily inspired by 18th and 19th century fashion. If you watch Outlander, youwould see that some of the costumes were a combination of new look and 18th century, basically they did the infamous bar jacket with skirt look in the same colors but in a streamlined 18th century way.
I'm not an expert but seen a lot of original costumes from this era cause it's my fav subject-- it's not correct tho the anatomy of the dress right?! I mean from what i know, the stomacher would be a separate piece not sewn together like that with the top/upper gown, as it was shown in the vid. And the front of the top gown would be split open to display the upper petticoat. The stomacher had to be attached to the corset with pins and the gown had to be attached to the stomacher with some more pins. Am I right? Or maybe this is just some other method?
L Dharmadi- What you described is a traditional robe a la francais (mantua, Watteu), or robe a la anglais (no Watteau pleated train at the back). But there was also the robe a la comperes front- the compromise, a front panel or temporary stomacher that opened down the middle might be temporarily pinned on the gown. There could be a comperes front originally designed in a simple gown or one piece mock of a robe a la francais (or anglais), called a robe neglige. Robes neglige were popular for children and ladies who needed a special look at half the fabric and budget. The comperes front however wasn't popular for being seen in by the aristocracy past tea time until the 1770s balancing out petticoats made with lavish ruffles from waist to hem.
I love these clothes, we have lost something here. I myself have made the choice to wear skirts, they look best on me and so I don't give into wearing jeans (though I have jean skirts) or trousers except if I am doing something that needs them, hiking, biking, zip lining or remodeling the house, that sort of thing. Otherwise I am going to look my best wearing skirts or dresses and yes, I do go for heavier fabric for the skirts as that does look the best.
i love the 17 and 18 century Rococo style clothing is my favorite had a very romantic flowy look as well. i want to buy clothing like this but don't know where to look or brand anyone know?? or anyone know someone thst does a modern rococo clothing for everyday wear that has a soft look yet still the corset aspect look at the top
It is prevalent in most societies for the elite to use impractical clothing... The most sophisticated Kimonos from Japan and Hanfu from China are impossible to wear on your own... you need someone to fix the whole outfit for you.
Todays rich show their wealth in ways they couldn't back then , expensive cars ,yachts, planes,and vacations. Even a top designer t-shirt can be expensive.
people also seem to forget haute couture... people still make and wear extravagant clothes, Valentino, Erdem, Galliano, McQueen, Vivienne Westwood all make beautiful clothes... its the same as then, the rich wore beautiful elaborate clothes, the poor did not. People fantasize over 18th century clothes wore by nobility and royalty, the masses of people wore rags.
It was the same case back then The king Louis XVI or XIV lietterally copy paste and Versaille from on other country he visited, but to make it more fancy. Same goes for vacation, it was nothing new that every nobles had a cottage or villa somewhere else or in an other country. And for the cars, some of them wanted to have fancy cars with the best decorated horses. Nothing changed, really nothing.
The Happy Weird Boy Aside from corsetry and full skirts there really isn't anything Victorian-inspired by the New Look. But I do agree, although I'd also say that the 1860s were inspired by the centuries before the decades of the Empire silhouette. And haven't I seen you before in other fashion history videos?
@@thwb4661 Empress Eugenie was certainly part of Dior's inspiration since Napoleon III is responsible for Parisian glamour as we know it today...without their reign, Paris would still be a medieval mess most likely. Eugenie was the fashion icon of her day, the 'dolls' that went around the world were modeled on her. She was obsessed with Marie Antoinette though so that likely had some influence on the stuff she commissioned from the House of Worth.
Corsets started earlier in the 1800s (they started popping up in the '20 & were pretty much in full swing by the '40s), but yes! The term corset pops up here & there in the 18th C, but it was a term usually used for outer undress, like jumps, not for the underpinnings like stays.
As this is 5 minutes of a 2 hour lecture on French Fashion,,, the English called them "stays". This was a copy of an original in a museum....who called it a "corset".
In the 18th century, when did ladies wear panniers / bustles, and when they did not ? Also,were panniers / bustles expensive and owned by the wealthy people only in that period ?
They did not wear corsets in the 18th century. They wore stays, which is what the model in the video is wearing. If you’re going to hold yourself out as an expert on something try actually learning something about what you’re talking about first.
Where did the expert come from??? Corset and pair of stays are interchangeable! If corsets are the terms used by museums in London,France and the USA that's fine with me!! Don't be so rude in your knowledge!
History of French fashion in Paris. But some fool comes in, probably american, and declares that it should be called “stays.” I don’t know what is more in this, stupidity, arogance or impudence.
Quel dommage que le mannequin a été au coiffeur.... cheveux trois fois coupés, trois fois trop court..... Que les habilleuses en pantalon, rstent au vestiaire.
Well...Those times these peoplehad money for this type vestments. It is a bit wrong to campare these gowns to t-shirts. Those days there was also ordinary people, who did not wear panniers all day long.
This is how I want to dress every day.
Me as well
same
Lisa Davis Why
Not at all. I'm a historical costumer and although I love it I'm glad to put it off in the evenings
Lisa Davis that would takes much time for you to finish dressing,and it would also weigh too much,also it would also be hard if you would like to go to the bathroom
why can't we make it fashionable again? it would be a pretty sight to see
me too i would love it, but it would be so damn expensive.
***** ya..to some degree ^_^
With modern manufacturing techniques, it wouldn't be so expensive, if the demand were as high as the demand were for electronic devices, automobiles, and so forth. But it's too inconvenient and uncomfortable for modern tastes. It's more realistic to join or start a period re-enactment group for the 18th century and thus "play" with friends and associates who share your interests.
Because just like in the 18th century...The average person could not afford it. The cost of quality clothing like this would be out of reach of the average worker...Not to mention the fact that this fashion was only practical to a ruling class that did not work and had servants to help them dress and undress. You also have to live in a certain setting to wear this clothes daily. Only a leisure class would/could wear this much clothing on a daily basis. And only a very specific sort of leisure class: One that lived in large estates. Even the average modern millionaire would look stupid in these clothes because they do not live in the setting, nor have people to dress and undress them.
These clothing would look silly and out of place in the average modern household.
Cutie mimi I think the only thing standing between us and some modified revival of this kind of costume is the desire to show skin, i.e. sex appeal. But if you let yourself put that aside, I think there are lots of possibilities for revivals of 18th and 19th C. fashions, with some updating of course. I for one would like to see it, the popular way that people dress just encourages Jersey Shore type behavior. (As if each garment lowered your IQ by 10 points.)
Bring back the 18th century customs. Long hair and ribbons for men with breeches and waistcoats.
I love 1930s men’s fashion. Three piece suits in that whole gangster style.
Long haired men are gorgeous... Tie them in ribbons and ponytails and I'm in love lol.
I'm gonna do a revolution! Wanna join?
Those are my favourite parts about the men's fashion!!!! It's those adorable black bows they tie in their long hair (and it's LONG HAIR dammit) UGH it's just perfect I love it, so gorgeous and romantic.
I love the care of getting dressed...the loveliness of it all. We lost something.
Garlic Girl ain't nobody got time for that. 😆
@@DNAleguillou they take like 10-15 minutes what u talking about
@@DNAleguillou ain't ?
Yeah i agree,such an art of culture,i’m really fascinated by this.I don’t like tight things like jeans or others,i prefer dresses.It’s more confortable ❤️✨
I totally agree with you ! As i always say,we lost something important !
For theses people who say : it’s heavy.
It is ! But not all mostly the heavy dresses are important dresses like for evenings,parties,for important days !
You know,there’s some dresses who’s not that heavy.I know what i’m saying :)
This is why I love period dramas, the clothes were so romantic for both sexes!
I Know your Post is pretty old now, Nevertheless i just have to mention my perfect agreement Concerning this.
court clothes were romantic...step outside of versailles, kensington palace, or other palaces, chateaux and country estates and you wouldnt be so thrilled.
And that is what is so amazing about the 18th century, the era of elegance, grace and divine style of the enlightenment period.
I watch this video every few weeks and it never gets old
I love this model :) She moves like a dancer! Beautiful depiction of a French beauty :)
Yes, I thought maybe she is a dancer. She moves with a certain elegance, I assume that is why he chose her as a model
brwnhoney He only uses ballerinas as his models :) I was lucky enough to meet him at the Getty Center last summer.
She looks a bit foreign, i.e. Asiatic.
lucy rosevelt Yes. You can’t just wear exquisite clothing, people were taught to move gracefully and elegantly. Even hand movements were important and how to hold a fan in your hands. You are right. There was a certain movement like a dancer. Today, people do not walk gracefully, sit gracefully. There is slouching, crude movements. So sad.
Absolutely gorgeous, especially the last costume the model wore. I do early dancing and my speciality period is Georgian. I have made costumes for both myself and my husband and enjoy the designing and sewing. May I copy the design of the last dress covered in ribbon flowers? It's so good I have to repeat, absolutely gorgeous. From an English admirer.
morevaseret wish I could do that. Did you have any tips for beginners?
+morevaseret. Speciality period in Georgian as in Russian, right?
The last dress is to die for. What I would give to slip into that number.
The robe a la francaise is stunning, I really want to make one.
I wish I could wear the green dress every day. Stunning!
I love theses so much ! It’s so an art of culture ! It’s not tight not stuffy,it’s comfortable.You feel like flying,breathing some great air ! And it’s really beautiful.❤️so much respect for theses who continue into theses kind of dresses.
*We lost something very important*
Oh how I wish I saw that exhibit! My favorite time period!
wow I so agree with you I love 18 century dresses I think they are classy ,elogant, and beautiful to look at Im learning how to sketch these dresses
18 century Europe and Tang Dynasty China "Hanfu" were some of the most glorious periods in fashion history.
J'adore cette période de l'histoire de la costume Française , le XVIII siècle. Oh la la!!!
johan day O h L a L a
BEAUTIFUL. Wonderful designer, respect and admire his thinking of fashion before and now.
Is there a full length version of this demonstration? I am a writer and I want to write a fictional novel set in the French courts during the reign of Louis XV and I want to know more about the fashion.
The happiness that it brings to this man 4:11 is heartwarming. I feel the same
Thank you so much. I would love it so much if the Getty would do some sort of living in the 18th video project with period clothes like Barr's. The Regency has been done, but not Georgian/Louis XV/XVI... I crave this period so much and there's so little available. Please do it :D
For the life of me, I've never understood peoples total infatuation with the regency, the fashion,especially for women is quite limited, white muslin gown...maybe a spencer jacket butunlessyou're talking napoleonic court gowns, boring.
I found this by accident and am completely delighted that I did.
Shannon same here
Beautiful 💕
How did they survive the hot summers with all those layers?
interesting how the silhouette from this era is similar to Dior's New Look of the late 40s & 50s.
Sara Van Loon Exactly. It came out after the depredations of WWII.
Dior's New look was supposed to revive femininity after the austerity of the war...it was probably heavily inspired by 18th and 19th century fashion. If you watch Outlander, youwould see that some of the costumes were a combination of new look and 18th century, basically they did the infamous bar jacket with skirt look in the same colors but in a streamlined 18th century way.
Maxwell it would be lovely if you would do/release more on 18th Century fashion. It is embarrassing how many times I have checked back. xox
I’m watching this over and over just because I find his voice soo relaxing♡ Is it just me?
More of this please!
I'm so glad I found this!
This woman is a perfect beauty, like a goddess.
Extraordinary work! Beautiful!
I loved the lecture at the Getty today. Beautiful fashions and well presented.
Fabulous clothes, such elegance! Many thanks!
this guy is amazing!
I'm not an expert but seen a lot of original costumes from this era cause it's my fav subject-- it's not correct tho the anatomy of the dress right?! I mean from what i know, the stomacher would be a separate piece not sewn together like that with the top/upper gown, as it was shown in the vid. And the front of the top gown would be split open to display the upper petticoat. The stomacher had to be attached to the corset with pins and the gown had to be attached to the stomacher with some more pins. Am I right? Or maybe this is just some other method?
L Dharmadi- What you described is a traditional robe a la francais (mantua, Watteu), or robe a la anglais (no Watteau pleated train at the back). But there was also the robe a la comperes front- the compromise, a front panel or temporary stomacher that opened down the middle might be temporarily pinned on the gown. There could be a comperes front originally designed in a simple gown or one piece mock of a robe a la francais (or anglais), called a robe neglige. Robes neglige were popular for children and ladies who needed a special look at half the fabric and budget. The comperes front however wasn't popular for being seen in by the aristocracy past tea time until the 1770s balancing out petticoats made with lavish ruffles from waist to hem.
I love these clothes, we have lost something here. I myself have made the choice to wear skirts, they look best on me and so I don't give into wearing jeans (though I have jean skirts) or trousers except if I am doing something that needs them, hiking, biking, zip lining or remodeling the house, that sort of thing. Otherwise I am going to look my best wearing skirts or dresses and yes, I do go for heavier fabric for the skirts as that does look the best.
Love this. Please may we have more. xox
i love the 17 and 18 century Rococo style clothing is my favorite had a very romantic flowy look as well. i want to buy clothing like this but don't know where to look or brand anyone know?? or anyone know someone thst does a modern rococo clothing for everyday wear that has a soft look yet still the corset aspect look at the top
Thanks Tatyana! We're working on more videos.
They were so impractical but very interesting
It is prevalent in most societies for the elite to use impractical clothing... The most sophisticated Kimonos from Japan and Hanfu from China are impossible to wear on your own... you need someone to fix the whole outfit for you.
Todays rich show their wealth in ways they couldn't back then , expensive cars ,yachts, planes,and vacations. Even a top designer t-shirt can be expensive.
people also seem to forget haute couture... people still make and wear extravagant clothes, Valentino, Erdem, Galliano, McQueen, Vivienne Westwood all make beautiful clothes... its the same as then, the rich wore beautiful elaborate clothes, the poor did not. People fantasize over 18th century clothes wore by nobility and royalty, the masses of people wore rags.
It was the same case back then
The king Louis XVI or XIV lietterally copy paste and Versaille from on other country he visited, but to make it more fancy. Same goes for vacation, it was nothing new that every nobles had a cottage or villa somewhere else or in an other country.
And for the cars, some of them wanted to have fancy cars with the best decorated horses.
Nothing changed, really nothing.
I would wear that last dress every day ;) I love it.
does anyone know how I can buy one of his patterns? a link or a website ?
google it. 18th century dress pattern.
Stunning!!!!
I'd like to try the dresses on for a day.
I'm very interrested in taking a class or a coarse about the fashion in the 18 century if you know something please let me know thank you very much!
4:25 What type of French dress is that?
3:05 - That's basically Dior's New Look!
New Look is inspired by the 1860s fashion actually.
The Happy Weird Boy Aside from corsetry and full skirts there really isn't anything Victorian-inspired by the New Look. But I do agree, although I'd also say that the 1860s were inspired by the centuries before the decades of the Empire silhouette.
And haven't I seen you before in other fashion history videos?
@@thwb4661 Empress Eugenie was certainly part of Dior's inspiration since Napoleon III is responsible for Parisian glamour as we know it today...without their reign, Paris would still be a medieval mess most likely. Eugenie was the fashion icon of her day, the 'dolls' that went around the world were modeled on her. She was obsessed with Marie Antoinette though so that likely had some influence on the stuff she commissioned from the House of Worth.
Wht is the name of these clothes???
very interesting
How fascinating! Great video. Wow have times have changed (but not entirely) ;)
Beautiful.
it's a stay, not a corset. corsets weren't actually a thing until the 1880s, about a hundred years after this fashion had come and gone
Corsets started earlier in the 1800s (they started popping up in the '20 & were pretty much in full swing by the '40s), but yes!
The term corset pops up here & there in the 18th C, but it was a term usually used for outer undress, like jumps, not for the underpinnings like stays.
As this is 5 minutes of a 2 hour lecture on French Fashion,,, the English called them "stays". This was a copy of an original in a museum....who called it a "corset".
I love this so much!!!!
It's exquisite
I want to dress like this!!!
The first dress could almost have been from the 1950s.
Would love to be the model, it look like great fun.
I would dress like this everyday
In the 18th century, when did ladies wear panniers / bustles, and when they did not ? Also,were panniers / bustles expensive and owned by the wealthy people only in that period ?
jo
interesting.
A shame that my parents won’t support me if I chose studying history such as this.
Do not tell me they wear same cloth during summer.
I love the idea of being dressed by someone else in this manner. Nifty daily ritual.
would get tiring after a while...
Unintentional ASMR
This guy is the new Bob Ross
Folks wear their wealth today. Wish it was this fancy
😍😍😍🤗
Flattering and Feminine.
Yet cumbersome and curtain-like
The top few layers would have to go
i cringe at the lack of Panniers or hip pad
She has pocket hoops though
The 2 hour lecture this came from showed the pannier she is wearing....look closer,,,and stop cringing!!!!
They did not wear corsets in the 18th century. They wore stays, which is what the model in the video is wearing. If you’re going to hold yourself out as an expert on something try actually learning something about what you’re talking about first.
Where did the expert come from??? Corset and pair of stays are interchangeable! If corsets are the terms used by museums in London,France and the USA that's fine with me!! Don't be so rude in your knowledge!
History of French fashion in Paris. But some fool comes in, probably american, and declares that it should be called “stays.”
I don’t know what is more in this, stupidity, arogance or impudence.
looks like Dior's new look
👍
2:23 does he have no teeth?
Don't you have better things to do than be rude???????????
The shoes .are not very sturdy
sure they are...theyre mules and if you look around, they are extremely fashionable today...
why does he look like colonel sanders
Quel dommage que le mannequin a été au coiffeur.... cheveux trois fois coupés, trois fois trop court.....
Que les habilleuses en pantalon, rstent au vestiaire.
I dont know man, I'm pretty glad I can leave the house in Jean's and not 6 layers of silk and cotton.
My god and now modern fashion is so freaking boring and bland😑
This is so feekin hot
They had servants to dress them. You could not put those clothes on by yourself.
yes you could. plenty of reenactors do today.
It looks suffocating
The reason no one dresses like this anymore is because You could'nt get dressed on your own *Deborah.*
Well...Those times these peoplehad money for this type vestments. It is a bit wrong to campare these gowns to t-shirts. Those days there was also ordinary people, who did not wear panniers all day long.
I won't wear a corset my hips are good as it is what god gave you
Skii Riettie a corset is not meant to be used for your hips. It's meant to make your waist smaller.