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I recieve a lot from the TV licence it goes straight into the bin since to my mind its incorrectly addressed last I checked my name is not legal occupier
Emailed BBC last June that I know longer needed their telly tax, needn't have bothered, bombarded with mafios letters. And got a visit as soon as they began again I think. Wrote to my MP about postal and doorstep intimidation. She contacted BBC on my behalf, since then had letter with refund form. I paid by direct debit, THEY ARE IN COMPLETE DISARRAY AND DONT KNOW THEIR ARSE FROM ELBOW. Good!
I believe when they get so many in your postcode area to make it cost effective they will visit. Maybe already have when you were out. Just an easy no thank you bye shut door or if you get caught outside like I did say no thanks and disappear they can't follow you around the rear of property or front door
@@laceandwhisky I like to wind them up when they turn up to my house. Once they came to my girlfriends house, I told her to stand near the window in full sight, I answered the door asked who they were etc. Then they asked if the lady of the house was in, I said no, they replied with "I can see her right there" I responded with "why are you staring through the window, do you want me to call the police you pervert!" They left we laughed. Love the useless twats.
Had a visit today. My husband just told him “not interested” so he said okay and went. Then I commented to my husband that I bet they hate Chilli Jon down in the TV license office. I bet Chilli Jon doesn’t give a toss either. In fact I bet he has a big smile over it. Thumbs up 👍 and thanks Chilli Jon.
Goons are visiting again, had one at the door last week. Identified herself as from tv licencing, I said," not interested thank you", she replied" OK thanks", and left.
Why do they call them enforcement officers, when they cannot enforce anything, the can however try and sell you a licence, but they cannot enforce you to.
Enforcement officers makes it seem that they are official and have some legal standing IF they used the correct term for them "Goons" or Salesmen then they would not gain as much money It is all part of their harassment and extortion racket they have going on, is why they word their threatogrammes like they do and use terms like "enforcement officer" to add to the threats
The problem is that most people pay the license because they feel they have to. People are now starting to realise that they dont HAVE to have a TV license if they dont actually watch live TV as its being broadcast and they word the letters like they do because if they told you the truth most people will probably cancel their license which means the BBC would lose a lot of money.
In all seriousness, has anyone ever got some legal people to look into whether these letters would form the basis of a claim against the BBC and Capita for harassment? I can imagine these types of things would scare the bejesus out of someone who doesnt really know. Its disguisting and shouldnt be happening in this day and age. Crowd fund anyone?
It is not just a form of harassment but it is also Extortion what the BBC / TVL are doing and have been doing for years And it would be really good if someone actually did take them to court for those things It is not like there is a lack of evidence, with their threatogrammes (threat letters) and the goons they send out
Brilliant video. Google says harassment is unwanted behaviour which causes you distress, alarm or to feel intimidated which has happened at least twice.
I cancelled my TV licence four and a half years ago and was always so worried if the kids would accidentally go on tv even for a second on putting their computer games on or Netflix so I searched for videos that would help know what I could and couldn't do and thank goodness I stumbled across your channel as your videos are so clear to understand and i can confidently understand now what I can and can't watch to the point I even explained it to my sister who now no longer has a licence either so a massive Thank you to you ❤
Just a FYI BBC / TVL can still successfully prosecute you for watching Live TV IF you have a Aerial / satelite etc inserted into the TV It does not matter if you actually watch Live TV or not BUT When their goons( so called bbc/tvl inspectors) come knocking remember they have zero legal rights of entry into your property unless they have a warrant off a judge To get a warrant off a judge they need access to your property to gather evidence to get the warrant (catch 22 for them lol ) IF for some strange reason You decide to let them into your property to check the TV make sure to remove the aerial / sateliet etc from the TV beforehand Also make sure they do not physically touch the TV or reinsert the Aerial into the TV when they check, some actually do that when visiting so they make more money (they get a bonus the more people they get to prosecute or make pay for a licence) My advice tho is NEVER let them into your property (unless they have a warrant then there's no choice really), I always tell them to go forth and multiply, just not in those words lol
@@patrickblue3813 Whaaat, how does having an aerial plugged in become proof of watching, proof of watching should legally only be if they walk by your window to your door and see you watching Holly oaks or something, or if they arrive with police and seize your box and find live tv recoding's on it.
@@Jamie_D The TV is classed as being "installed" AKA able to receive live broadcasts And they can successfully prosecute anyone that has a aerial inserted and does not have a licence
Thanks to you i no longer feel threatened Stopped paying them 6 months ago. should of done it sooner as i dont even watch live tv. Havnt done for years. A huge thank you to you xxx
After a couple of cycles of their letters you lose the fear and actually enjoy receiving them. Every time I see one on the door mat I smile and just think _so you're still wasting your time then eh_ 🤦
It will be four months now since I have watched the telly due to my remote control being broke. I am still getting letters from them telling me I must pay this and that or else! Well you know what I mean John? If they can detect my TV, then why can't they detect that I am not watching TV!
Your brilliant chilli... I keep trying to get my family and friends to cancel the tv licence... I tell them about your channel. But they are still brainwashed into buying the tv licence... shame....
I saw a while back a guy phoned the police about all the threatening letters he received from a company, after reading some of the letters to the police they said it was very threatening behavior and they would need to send the police around for an interview and to see all the letters, when they arrived and found out it was the BBC they would not do anything about it now that's just soo wrong on so many levels
Have you considered reaching out to blackbeltbarrister? He has a youtube channel, he is a barrister in England and he does vids on various topics to do with UK law, it might be interesting to see a colab between the two of you on the legality of threatening letters, or TV licensing in general?
That first letter is illegal, you can't threaten to pass someone's details onto a debt collection agency when there is no debt. I know they did not actually pass any details but if they did it would be completely against data protection.
@@Ironbuket You can cancel the payment at ANY time You want if you no longer need a TV Licence There is absolutely no need to continue paying for a product or service (in this case the TV Licence) you no longer need or want Also there is absolutely no need to contact the BBC / TVL or fill in their forms to tell them you no longer need or want a TV Licence, all anyone has to do to cancel it is stop paying = job done its cancelled The only reason they want people to fill in forms or contact them is so they (BBC / TVL) can gather peoples details for future use in court and to enhance their tactics in extortion to force people to pay for something they do not legally need (if they do not watch live TV)
@@Ironbuket You clearly did not listen to the video. The gentleman in question was not paying by direct debit or giving his card details. He was paying via a 'top up' card at his local post office/petrol station and it was pay as you go. So your comparison to a phone contact is false as the guy was doing PAYG and last time I checked if I stop topping up my non contact phone there is no 'debt'.
Many people will conform for 'peace of mind' and an easy life. But it's better to stand up for your rights. Thank you for this channel so people aren't on their own against state tyranny.
Don't forget that Debt Collectors whether licenced or not have zero powers and are not bailiffs. They cannot enter your home, they have no powers to enforce any debt. Should you get a phone call or a visit from a Debt Collector simply tell them to go forth and multiply. They cannot do anything.
Well done Chilli Jon on another great and informative video. I cancelled mine a few months ago and had a visit recently. I simply told him I didn’t want one and closed the door. Your videos are helping people to see the truth and not feel bullied into buying something they don’t want or need. Come on people, get cancelling if you haven’t already.
Well, I've kept my proof of successful cancellation, so if I get any of those debt-collection-threats I'll know it's nonsense I won't need to be afraid of. Thanks again! 👍🏻
According to some research I've done, it is expected that Capita will earn £1.10bn - £1.55bn from its 15 year contract with the BBC to July 2027, i.e. somewhere between approximately £70m and £100m per annum. The contract was placed in 2012 when the BBC probably thought they could afford it out of what they thought would be their ever increasing revenues. It seems there are no clauses in the contract to protect the BBC from a reduction in revenue and this illustrates the long standing lack of commercial nous at the BBC which also means they could never hope to compete if they lost their licence fee money. Capita, therefore, are quids in and probably quite confident that there will be no oversight from a terminally incompetent BBC of their legally dubious tactics and will continue to issue these unjustifiably threatening letters. This is all by the by, though, if one simply ignores them. Great video again, CJ. Keep up the good work.
Is it worth complaining to "unknown body" about this harassment? As Jon states, no other business would be allowed to get away with it. Innocent until proven guilty and IF you're playing a straight game, which I recommend you should, then why should we accept harassment for something we are NOT guilty for. I'm extremely angry over this, I personally can handle it. I worry deeply about the health of those people that maybe losing sleep over these threatening, harassing letters, when in fact it should NOT be allowed. Now I've vented, I'm done Thanks all.
They are connected to or part of Capita who manage the TV license visits so you will never get a sympathetic ear plus everything you tell them forms part of future prosecutions.
When I’m not using my car for a while I get it SORN (statutory offroad notification). My point is The Ministry of Transport don’t send the goons round and threaten me.
Except they do - they patrol cars registered as SORN at their stated addresses, they also use ANPR cameras to monitor usage, tax, MOT and insurance, and those cameras are everywhere (not to be confused with speed cameras or TrafficMaster). They can often be seen on motorway junction roundabouts and are usually silver and cylindrical about 5” in diameter and around a foot long.
@@fredbloggs5902 ofc it’s not a perfect analogy, because yes you will almost certainly be caught by cameras if you drive an untaxed car. The spirit of my comment remains.
@@steveparrots69 the issue compared to tv licence is you declare sorn on stopping use to dvla if you don't but just don't have your car on road you are penalised
@@garthhessey3041 Once you are sorn they do not threaten you every month until the vehicle is taxed again they leave you alone unlike TVL who When I Sorn my TV they send letters and threats
Had nearly 20 years of letters just ignore them ...and whatever you do say absolutely nothing at the door and I do mean nothing once they say from tv licensing...close the door ...simple advice but some talk to them not recommended ok
People have to stop paying their licence. It is no use taking out a payment plan then deciding to stop paying because you have entered into an agreement. When your licence is nearing the expiry do not take out anymore payment plans and cancel it.
Thanks so much for all your help with license advice. I’ve been license free for nearly a year now, and I still watch these videos, they’re so informative…
Debt collection agencies have no legal mandate. The worst they can do is harass you with letters and phone calls, (and they aren't allowed to phone you at work by the way) , or refer a matter to a County Court for a judge to order a payment plan. A DCA can't instruct bailiffs either. I know, I used to work for the MOJ.
I have decided to subscribe to your channel as it as helped me, I have not owned a TV since 1992 and I didn't get my first laptop till 2010.. I started watching DVDs in 2011 as always busy going out but as we get older days get longer and one doesn't go out as much, for years I have been watching DVDs from laptops and desktops as I didn't know you could own a TV without a license, I agree with Jon the TV license as ways to manipulate you into buying a license and convince you your doing something wrong even if your not. It is now 29 years since I haven't had a TV license and only had two visits within this time, in fact last visit TV inspector came in and had a cup of tea with me. He was polite and we had a good chat in fact he agreed with me on many things. I have neaver watched TV because there is so much you can do without a TV, I don't have any of the other things to Sky or subscription only the WiFi, what did help me was knowing I could watch TV without a license as until then I have had Desktops because one can get large monitors, once I found out thanks to Jon you could have a TV I learnt you can play DVDs stright to a monitor as long as the Monitor as speakers. So even so I still don't have TV or even access to any live TV as I don't even have a Areil to my roof fitted I can watch my DVDs cheaper and on a bigger screen, with the HDMI connection a DVD player will fit directly to a monitor. I still get the regular letter every two years from TV license and I do choose to contact them and tell them I still don't need a TV license, other then that I have no problems and even if they do visit I have nothing to hide and most inspectors who have visited me have been very polite as if they wasn't they would get nowhere. So thanks Jon for thast as if I ever need a bigger screen I can own a telly without a license and TVs are cheaper to buy then monitors, as DVDs players are cheaper then Desktops so handy thing that HDMI cable. Thanks Mike
It like good cop and bad cop I use to pay by one of them cards. I could not find a place that i could pay it with as a lot of the shop just stoped doing it . so a few week went by and i got that letter and then a few more .Keep up the good work you do on this channel as it helps a lot of people understand what they can do and can't .
I cancelled mine by email. I received a email back explaining about watching tv and i player. I replied back that i fully understand and that i don't watch the tv. I and asked to continue with the cancellation. Had a nice email back saying that my request was in process. A week later a £91 cheque arrived then a week after that i received a later stating that i was exempt from the tv licence for two years. I'm just waiting for the visit from a tv licence goon.
They still haven't been to talk to my doorbell camera yet. They won't be even having the privilege of having the door opened to them as they don't deserve the time of day from me.
I’ve had a scarlet letter from them.. and now a “final warning” I haven’t owned a tv since living in my place! I’ve told them over phone I don’t have a tv but they’ve threatened to bring an “officer” round.. well I’m yet to see him 😂
I Really think declaring no tv licence needed is the best method when you cancel tv licence instead of just stopping paying and he would have got some money back aswell and over 2 years now no letter and no visits seems to be OK for my so far
Had a nock on the door yesterday, could just see high visibility Jacket through the door OK, I thought, this is it, time to shine, tell them "no thanks" and shut the door, here we go Yeah it was a landscaper offering to feed the lawns and kill the weeds, bit gutted really
Similar happened to me. Saw a high vis jacket through the door. When I opened it I was looking for any insignia before I would say hello. Didn't look at their face until my neighbour (the wearer of the jacket) asked if I was alright.
Trespass to person? Or The offence in "section 1 of the Malicious Communication Act 1988 of sending certain items with intent to cause distress or anxiety", is currently a summary only offence which means that it can only be dealt with in the Magistrates' Court. Under section 1 it is an offence to send any letter or article which conveys a threat or "information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender". Black belt barrister may be needed here.
I've noticed a lot of people are talking about it when i go to my local shop So the message is getting out., Can't be right to send you letter that many times., and I bet you they get them letters on a Friday trying to ruin your weekend great video👊
When i called to cancel my tv licence in 2018 as i was moving house, the lady politely asked me for a forwarding address, i politely replied that my new address was in San Fernando Gran Canaria and that i was escaping turd island for good, she very politely wished me luck and hung up , so sweet.
"We may also have to cancel your TV Licence".... so they're saying in writing that they haven't cancelled his TV Licence, so would that not effectively mean, he's still got a valid licence, so wouldn't be committing an offence if he fancied catching up on a few episodes of Jim'll Fix It?
I haven't had a tv licence for 5 years. Any letters from them i just put "return to sender" and post them back. They use to come to my door but i wouldn't let them in, they said "they'll just keep coming back" . So i told them "that's fine, keep wasting your time" never saw them again.
Reasonable force may be used to "defend" yourself, it is highly unlikely you will be attacked by a tvl goon, however. If they refuse to leave your property, you may use "reasonable, proportionate, necessary" force to remove them, which would most likely Equate to pushing them off the property, nothing more, please be mindful of this, when dealing with undesirables.
My mum, me and my neighbour all received letters on the same day last week saying that you are due a visit from an agent. It’s funny that they all came on the same day.
I've had many many letters over the last year - I even had a pretty one in a red envelope! Isn't this all a total waste of money and effort? Perhaps Jon you should put in a FOI to ask re the success rate of all this waste of trees!
I'm pretty sure he did a video a few months ago that revealed how much money they spent sending out letters last year. iirc it was millions... they've been sending me letters for over 20 yrs!
A debt needs to be established before collection is carried out. This has not happened because you do not have a contract with TV licensing like other utilities eg. Gas, Electric, Broadband. That letter is unlawful.
Maybe not. Akinika have revenue of about 12 million a year and are part of Capita. Paying by instalments may be a contract with Capita and bingo they can come after you if you stop paying.
You can also neatly cut open the TV licence envelope at the side with a sharp knife, take out the document inside and place it back in the envelope with the address facing away from the clear window on the envelope and the reseal it with clear tape. Then write on the envelope "return to sender" and pop it back in the post. Now the TV licencing people will have to pay the postage fine because, obviously, you will have conveniently neglected to attach a stamp to the letter. Keep doing this and see how long they keep sending you letters. 😊👍🏼
I suspect (I really don't know) with the first letter, the licence was still active for the remainder of the year as it wasn't cancelled. TVL might have been able to call in a debt collector but chose not to for whatever reason. (And maybe still could.)
I am still waiting for a tv licencing officer to arrive at work to check for tv use in 1 building demolished 10 years ago and 2 buildings demolished 3 years ago. We still get letters demanding and saying we are getting a visit within the next couple of days. Even though i have told them umpteen times the buildings only exist as photos on the crossroads appreciation social website and articles in newspapers.
They sent me cash when I had proof they lied to me said I would go to claims court for trying to obtain money by deception. Stand firm if the lie sue them.
I can’t believe it! I’m a loyal subscriber to your channel Jon, and I believed in your message, so I duly cancelled my license. And now I have a letter through my door telling me I will have a visit from the Manchester Enforcement Officers, and now because of you I could be fined £1000 plus get a criminal conviction! What the fuck am I going to do now? I’m at my wits end! I’m worried sick. What the fuck am I going to do now? I’m shaking with fear!
Harassment is .. Section 40 of the Administrations of justice act 1970, to harass a person whilst endeavouring to collect a debt due under contract. (1A): Harasses with demands for payment which, in respect of their frequency or manner or occasion of making any threat or demand.
Im sure these threatening letters easily fall under an offence called 'Malicious Communications' "Malicious Communications is where someone sends a letter or any other form of communication that is indecent or grossly offensive, threatening, or contains information which is false or believed to be false. The purpose for sending it is to cause distress or anxiety to the person it is sent to. An offence of Malicious Communications occurs as soon as the communication is sent, and does not even have to be received by the intended person. It is the sending and intent of the offender which counts as an offence." BBC are enforcing these letters produced by Capita, as BBC sign them off I read. Threatening someone to pay for something they don't need legally if not watching live streams, should be 'surely' reported to police as the above mentioned offence!
Sending malicious communications is a crime punishable by a sentence of imprisonment, a fine, or a community order, depending on the severity of the offence. In order to be convicted, the prosecution will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you committed the offence of sending malicious communications
How many people do they employ? They must have a big main frame computer in Darlington with loads of computer operators and all the staff who input the data. The Chester office must employ many officers. The BBC could save millions by renogtiating the Contract with Capita
I actually think these stupid letters are pretty useful - I collect them & keep them with my camping gear to help with getting a nice warm fire on the go. Cheers, Jon - you have another subscriber!
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No they are not!!
@@sharpy5550 citation needed
I recieve a lot from the TV licence it goes straight into the bin since to my mind its incorrectly addressed last I checked my name is not legal occupier
Although nz ditched tv licences decades ago I have subscribed on principal.
Any other company would finish up in court. The government should be dam well ashamed for supporting this
In South Africa, we have the same situation.
This is what goes on in North Korea, the bbc seems to take all there rules and regulations from
Don't bend the knee to the BBC, great work Jon.
Cancel your outdated tv license
Cancel your direct debit
Boycott BBC
I have just done that, just waiting for the letters and a visit.
@@Barbarapape Had three letters but no visit as yet....
I haven’t had one for over two months now. Naturally a goon visit has been authorised. Can’t wait to slam the door in its face!
You may be waiting a while, I've never had a TV license or a visit at my current home, and I moved in more than 5 years ago.
@@terryforsdyke306 Excellent! Good for you! But I’m sure you know what to do should you ever get a visit from a goon?
Don't bother to wait in for them as I guarantee they won't turn up
@@waynestockton8953 I admire your confidence, but there’s always a chance tempting fate like that!
"Can’t wait to slam the door in its face!"
In my case, it's slam the window. 😁
Emailed BBC last June that I know longer needed their telly tax, needn't have bothered, bombarded with mafios letters. And got a visit as soon as they began again I think.
Wrote to my MP about postal and doorstep intimidation. She contacted BBC on my behalf, since then had letter with refund form. I paid by direct debit, THEY ARE IN COMPLETE DISARRAY AND DONT KNOW THEIR ARSE FROM ELBOW. Good!
They've been threatening me for years. Still not received a visit. They're all talk.
It's mental how many they send, at what point do they understand we can read, we just don't care.
I believe when they get so many in your postcode area to make it cost effective they will visit. Maybe already have when you were out. Just an easy no thank you bye shut door or if you get caught outside like I did say no thanks and disappear they can't follow you around the rear of property or front door
@@laceandwhisky I like to wind them up when they turn up to my house. Once they came to my girlfriends house, I told her to stand near the window in full sight, I answered the door asked who they were etc. Then they asked if the lady of the house was in, I said no, they replied with "I can see her right there" I responded with "why are you staring through the window, do you want me to call the police you pervert!" They left we laughed. Love the useless twats.
I’ve had 4 visits in around 6 years, door shut in their faces every time.
Had a visit today. My husband just told him “not interested” so he said okay and went. Then I commented to my husband that I bet they hate Chilli Jon down in the TV license office. I bet Chilli Jon doesn’t give a toss either. In fact I bet he has a big smile over it. Thumbs up 👍 and thanks Chilli Jon.
Was this visit after you received a letter that an enforcement officer had been authorised?
Ha should have said wait there a minute, just got to go and stir the chilli. Left them outside just waiting and waiting.
I don't mind TV license warning letters, I have always enjoyed making paper aeroplanes for my kids you see.
Great for lighting the fire 👍👍👍👍😀
There might be another orchestrated PsyOp on toilet paper - so those letters may be worth keeping.
I keep them for posterior.
Absolutely shocking. Imagine if Netflix or Amazon applied threatening behaviour like this.
Goons are visiting again, had one at the door last week. Identified herself as from tv licencing, I said," not interested thank you", she replied" OK thanks", and left.
Excellent although i would have skipped the "thankyou" part.
We had the same!
@@leejames1792 There's no harm in being polite and Jack Bell got a decent reply.
You would think that they'd just accept that the gig is up and stop wasting their money on these letters. Is anybody still paying anymore?
It isn't their money they are wasting, its the fee payers money, I just cancelled my tv license.
They sound like a bunch of pirate's, ready to take your money and personal items all for not wanting to have a TV license.
Why do they call them enforcement officers, when they cannot enforce anything, the can however try and sell you a licence, but they cannot enforce you to.
it makes them sound scary but like you say they are gloryfide door to door salesmen
Enforcement officers makes it seem that they are official and have some legal standing
IF they used the correct term for them "Goons" or Salesmen then they would not gain as much money
It is all part of their harassment and extortion racket they have going on, is why they word their threatogrammes like they do and use terms like "enforcement officer" to add to the threats
The problem is that most people pay the license because they feel they have to. People are now starting to realise that they dont HAVE to have a TV license if they dont actually watch live TV as its being broadcast and they word the letters like they do because if they told you the truth most people will probably cancel their license which means the BBC would lose a lot of money.
In all seriousness, has anyone ever got some legal people to look into whether these letters would form the basis of a claim against the BBC and Capita for harassment?
I can imagine these types of things would scare the bejesus out of someone who doesnt really know. Its disguisting and shouldnt be happening in this day and age.
Crowd fund anyone?
Count me in.
@@victorsandall3073 Hear hear
It is not just a form of harassment but it is also Extortion what the BBC / TVL are doing and have been doing for years
And it would be really good if someone actually did take them to court for those things
It is not like there is a lack of evidence, with their threatogrammes (threat letters) and the goons they send out
Brilliant video. Google says harassment is unwanted behaviour which causes you distress, alarm or to feel intimidated which has happened at least twice.
I cancelled my TV licence four and a half years ago and was always so worried if the kids would accidentally go on tv even for a second on putting their computer games on or Netflix so I searched for videos that would help know what I could and couldn't do and thank goodness I stumbled across your channel as your videos are so clear to understand and i can confidently understand now what I can and can't watch to the point I even explained it to my sister who now no longer has a licence either so a massive Thank you to you ❤
Just a FYI
BBC / TVL can still successfully prosecute you for watching Live TV IF you have a Aerial / satelite etc inserted into the TV
It does not matter if you actually watch Live TV or not
BUT
When their goons( so called bbc/tvl inspectors) come knocking remember they have zero legal rights of entry into your property unless they have a warrant off a judge
To get a warrant off a judge they need access to your property to gather evidence to get the warrant (catch 22 for them lol )
IF for some strange reason You decide to let them into your property to check the TV make sure to remove the aerial / sateliet etc from the TV beforehand
Also make sure they do not physically touch the TV or reinsert the Aerial into the TV when they check, some actually do that when visiting so they make more money (they get a bonus the more people they get to prosecute or make pay for a licence)
My advice tho is NEVER let them into your property (unless they have a warrant then there's no choice really), I always tell them to go forth and multiply, just not in those words lol
@@patrickblue3813 Thankyou 💓
@@patrickblue3813 Whaaat, how does having an aerial plugged in become proof of watching, proof of watching should legally only be if they walk by your window to your door and see you watching Holly oaks or something, or if they arrive with police and seize your box and find live tv recoding's on it.
@@Jamie_D The TV is classed as being "installed"
AKA able to receive live broadcasts
And they can successfully prosecute anyone that has a aerial inserted and does not have a licence
@@patrickblue3813 lol think someone needs to take them to court then and the courts who allow this, and teach them the definition of watching 😅
Suggest send copies these letters to your local MP as examples.
Turn up in person at the MP's surgery, otherwise you will get a standard reply.
Mp’s won’t take it on. I’m sure they probably get some of that cheddar.
MPs are responsible for voting on the charter and setting the licence free amount.
Thanks to you i no longer feel threatened Stopped paying them 6 months ago. should of done it sooner as i dont even watch live tv. Havnt done for years. A huge thank you to you xxx
Last letter I had said I'd failed to contact them so they're sending an inspector around on 1st July.
Good luck with that, I'll be on holiday.... 👌
After a couple of cycles of their letters you lose the fear and actually enjoy receiving them. Every time I see one on the door mat I smile and just think _so you're still wasting your time then eh_ 🤦
It's the same as the SCAMMERS CHANNELS! The are the same tactics ☠️
Thanks again Jon! Marvellous!
It will be four months now since I have watched the telly due to my remote control being broke.
I am still getting letters from them telling me I must pay this and that or else!
Well you know what I mean John?
If they can detect my TV, then why can't they detect that I am not watching TV!
Your brilliant chilli... I keep trying to get my family and friends to cancel the tv licence... I tell them about your channel. But they are still brainwashed into buying the tv licence... shame....
I'm sure there must be a law against sending threatening letters like this.
There certainly should be
Should be but they are linked to government,
so it government allowing all this to happen
British Broadcasting Communists. 🤮
There is. Good luck with ever getting it enforced.
You’re nuts mate! Wake up! The bbc are run by “peedoos” ! So is the government! See the connections now? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤡🤡🤡🤡🌍🌍🌍
Malicious communications act.
I saw a while back a guy phoned the police about all the threatening letters he received from a company, after reading some of the letters to the police they said it was very threatening behavior and they would need to send the police around for an interview and to see all the letters, when they arrived and found out it was the BBC they would not do anything about it now that's just soo wrong on so many levels
Have you considered reaching out to blackbeltbarrister? He has a youtube channel, he is a barrister in England and he does vids on various topics to do with UK law, it might be interesting to see a colab between the two of you on the legality of threatening letters, or TV licensing in general?
So if someone passed away and the family are going through a hard time they still send these letters. It's disgusting.
That first letter is illegal, you can't threaten to pass someone's details onto a debt collection agency when there is no debt. I know they did not actually pass any details but if they did it would be completely against data protection.
@@Ironbuket You can cancel the payment at ANY time You want if you no longer need a TV Licence
There is absolutely no need to continue paying for a product or service (in this case the TV Licence) you no longer need or want
Also there is absolutely no need to contact the BBC / TVL or fill in their forms to tell them you no longer need or want a TV Licence, all anyone has to do to cancel it is stop paying = job done its cancelled
The only reason they want people to fill in forms or contact them is so they (BBC / TVL) can gather peoples details for future use in court and to enhance their tactics in extortion to force people to pay for something they do not legally need (if they do not watch live TV)
@@Ironbuket not true.
Exactly right. And in buying the debt from TVL, you don't owe them anything, and once again, have no contract between you and the debt collectors.
@@Ironbuket Where does it say you have to complete the payment?
@@Ironbuket You clearly did not listen to the video. The gentleman in question was not paying by direct debit or giving his card details. He was paying via a 'top up' card at his local post office/petrol station and it was pay as you go. So your comparison to a phone contact is false as the guy was doing PAYG and last time I checked if I stop topping up my non contact phone there is no 'debt'.
Many people will conform for 'peace of mind' and an easy life. But it's better to stand up for your rights. Thank you for this channel so people aren't on their own against state tyranny.
Don't forget that Debt Collectors whether licenced or not have zero powers and are not bailiffs.
They cannot enter your home, they have no powers to enforce any debt.
Should you get a phone call or a visit from a Debt Collector simply tell them to go forth and multiply.
They cannot do anything.
I had to laugh at the ad that I got whilst watching this for flea and tick prevention which happen to be parasites, coincidence? Mmmm!
Well done Chilli Jon on another great and informative video. I cancelled mine a few months ago and had a visit recently. I simply told him I didn’t want one and closed the door. Your videos are helping people to see the truth and not feel bullied into buying something they don’t want or need. Come on people, get cancelling if you haven’t already.
Well, I've kept my proof of successful cancellation, so if I get any of those debt-collection-threats I'll know it's nonsense I won't need to be afraid of. Thanks again! 👍🏻
According to some research I've done, it is expected that Capita will earn £1.10bn - £1.55bn from its 15 year contract with the BBC to July 2027, i.e. somewhere between approximately £70m and £100m per annum. The contract was placed in 2012 when the BBC probably thought they could afford it out of what they thought would be their ever increasing revenues. It seems there are no clauses in the contract to protect the BBC from a reduction in revenue and this illustrates the long standing lack of commercial nous at the BBC which also means they could never hope to compete if they lost their licence fee money.
Capita, therefore, are quids in and probably quite confident that there will be no oversight from a terminally incompetent BBC of their legally dubious tactics and will continue to issue these unjustifiably threatening letters. This is all by the by, though, if one simply ignores them.
Great video again, CJ. Keep up the good work.
Is it worth complaining to "unknown body" about this harassment? As Jon states, no other business would be allowed to get away with it. Innocent until proven guilty and IF you're playing a straight game, which I recommend you should, then why should we accept harassment for something we are NOT guilty for.
I'm extremely angry over this, I personally can handle it. I worry deeply about the health of those people that maybe losing sleep over these threatening, harassing letters, when in fact it should NOT be allowed.
Now I've vented, I'm done
Thanks all.
They are connected to or part of Capita who manage the TV license visits so you will never get a sympathetic ear plus everything you tell them forms part of future prosecutions.
Which is why you grin at them then slam the door.
I've had so many letters over the last 20 years. They have become more threatening over that period.
When I’m not using my car for a while I get it SORN (statutory offroad notification). My point is The Ministry of Transport don’t send the goons round and threaten me.
Except they do - they patrol cars registered as SORN at their stated addresses, they also use ANPR cameras to monitor usage, tax, MOT and insurance, and those cameras are everywhere (not to be confused with speed cameras or TrafficMaster).
They can often be seen on motorway junction roundabouts and are usually silver and cylindrical about 5” in diameter and around a foot long.
Yet.
@@fredbloggs5902 ofc it’s not a perfect analogy, because yes you will almost certainly be caught by cameras if you drive an untaxed car. The spirit of my comment remains.
@@steveparrots69 the issue compared to tv licence is you declare sorn on stopping use to dvla if you don't but just don't have your car on road you are penalised
@@garthhessey3041 Once you are sorn they do not threaten you every month until the vehicle is taxed again they leave you alone unlike TVL who When I Sorn my TV they send letters and threats
Had nearly 20 years of letters just ignore them ...and whatever you do say absolutely nothing at the door and I do mean nothing once they say from tv licensing...close the door ...simple advice but some talk to them not recommended ok
People have to stop paying their licence. It is no use taking out a payment plan then deciding to stop paying because you have entered into an agreement. When your licence is nearing the expiry do not take out anymore payment plans and cancel it.
Excellent channel every one needs to watch these videos 👍
Great guy... gorgeous eyes, honest character, humble, sweet, infornative, very nice....
Thanks so much for all your help with license advice. I’ve been license free for nearly a year now, and I still watch these videos, they’re so informative…
I'm curious to as to what 'debt' they are trying to enforce or collect
Debt collection agencies have no legal mandate. The worst they can do is harass you with letters and phone calls, (and they aren't allowed to phone you at work by the way) , or refer a matter to a County Court for a judge to order a payment plan. A DCA can't instruct bailiffs either. I know, I used to work for the MOJ.
Thank you Jon great advice
JPW 👍
Is there legal recourse for "obtaining money by menace"? Or "providing false or misleading communications"? Would illegal distress be useful?
Exaclty! sounds so criminal!
What’s misleading?
@@fredbloggs5902 Welcome bots and trolls. I have your UA-cam channel and its fake. Nice try though.
Excellent and a very informative way to save money 👍
I have decided to subscribe to your channel as it as helped me, I have not owned a TV since 1992 and I didn't get my first laptop till 2010.. I started watching DVDs in 2011 as always busy going out but as we get older days get longer and one doesn't go out as much, for years I have been watching DVDs from laptops and desktops as I didn't know you could own a TV without a license, I agree with Jon the TV license as ways to manipulate you into buying a license and convince you your doing something wrong even if your not.
It is now 29 years since I haven't had a TV license and only had two visits within this time, in fact last visit TV inspector came in and had a cup of tea with me. He was polite and we had a good chat in fact he agreed with me on many things. I have neaver watched TV because there is so much you can do without a TV, I don't have any of the other things to Sky or subscription only the WiFi, what did help me was knowing I could watch TV without a license as until then I have had Desktops because one can get large monitors, once I found out thanks to Jon you could have a TV I learnt you can play DVDs stright to a monitor as long as the Monitor as speakers.
So even so I still don't have TV or even access to any live TV as I don't even have a Areil to my roof fitted I can watch my DVDs cheaper and on a bigger screen, with the HDMI connection a DVD player will fit directly to a monitor. I still get the regular letter every two years from TV license and I do choose to contact them and tell them I still don't need a TV license, other then that I have no problems and even if they do visit I have nothing to hide and most inspectors who have visited me have been very polite as if they wasn't they would get nowhere. So thanks Jon for thast as if I ever need a bigger screen I can own a telly without a license and TVs are cheaper to buy then monitors, as DVDs players are cheaper then Desktops so handy thing that HDMI cable. Thanks Mike
Keep up the good work Jon. 👍
It like good cop and bad cop I use to pay by one of them cards. I could not find a place that i could pay it with as a lot of the shop just stoped doing it . so a few week went by and i got that letter and then a few more .Keep up the good work you do on this channel as it helps a lot of people understand what they can do and can't .
Thank you this is so much help....x
It's Good Cop, Bad Cop. Lol.
And they owe me £6.😕 TFS. ♥️🙂🐶
I cancelled mine by email. I received a email back explaining about watching tv and i player. I replied back that i fully understand and that i don't watch the tv. I and asked to continue with the cancellation. Had a nice email back saying that my request was in process. A week later a £91 cheque arrived then a week after that i received a later stating that i was exempt from the tv licence for two years.
I'm just waiting for the visit from a tv licence goon.
Keep up the good work. Your advice is invaluable. November, TV Licencing will get nothing from me
These threatening letters coming through the door are great.. especially when I've run out of toilet paper
I wouldn't contaminate my backside with them
They still haven't been to talk to my doorbell camera yet. They won't be even having the privilege of having the door opened to them as they don't deserve the time of day from me.
I’ve had a scarlet letter from them.. and now a “final warning” I haven’t owned a tv since living in my place! I’ve told them over phone I don’t have a tv but they’ve threatened to bring an “officer” round.. well I’m yet to see him 😂
Just got letter number 10 today and its got "Official notice: Investigation opened." and i have done what i always do and that is RTS.
Just send them all to 10 Downing Street
Fantastic job. Helping thousands, well done, many thanks.
I Really think declaring no tv licence needed is the best method when you cancel tv licence instead of just stopping paying and he would have got some money back aswell and over 2 years now no letter and no visits seems to be OK for my so far
I don’t watch live T.V. because I like to watch what I want when I want and not have to go by a schedule and wait a week for the next episode.
Had a nock on the door yesterday, could just see high visibility Jacket through the door
OK, I thought, this is it, time to shine, tell them "no thanks" and shut the door, here we go
Yeah it was a landscaper offering to feed the lawns and kill the weeds, bit gutted really
Similar happened to me. Saw a high vis jacket through the door. When I opened it I was looking for any insignia before I would say hello. Didn't look at their face until my neighbour (the wearer of the jacket) asked if I was alright.
Oh well better luck next time :-)
Trespass to person? Or The offence in "section 1 of the Malicious Communication Act 1988 of sending certain items with intent to cause distress or anxiety", is currently a summary only offence which means that it can only be dealt with in the Magistrates' Court. Under section 1 it is an offence to send any letter or article which conveys a threat or "information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender". Black belt barrister may be needed here.
Where’s the falsehood?
@@fredbloggs5902 Buy a licence or we will send round the heavies? Is this not what you mean?
@@fredbloggs5902 Fraud theft and falsely obtaining money, is a crime.
@@fredbloggs5902 Falsehood, is to represent a right or authority you do not have! How's that for starters?
I've noticed a lot of people are talking about it when i go to my local shop
So the message is getting out.,
Can't be right to send you letter that many times., and I bet you they get them letters on a Friday trying to ruin your weekend great video👊
When i called to cancel my tv licence in 2018 as i was moving house, the lady politely asked me for a forwarding address, i politely replied that my new address was in San Fernando Gran Canaria and that i was escaping turd island for good, she very politely wished me luck and hung up , so sweet.
"We may also have to cancel your TV Licence".... so they're saying in writing that they haven't cancelled his TV Licence, so would that not effectively mean, he's still got a valid licence, so wouldn't be committing an offence if he fancied catching up on a few episodes of Jim'll Fix It?
Somebody needs to sue them for harassment!
Empty threats, however, they are intimidating without 'due care and diligence' and 'process of law'. They MUST be challenged and stopped.
I haven't had a tv licence for 5 years. Any letters from them i just put "return to sender" and post them back. They use to come to my door but i wouldn't let them in, they said "they'll just keep coming back" . So i told them "that's fine, keep wasting your time" never saw them again.
If someone who had been threatening comes knocking on your door then it is time to use reasonable force to defend yourself.
Reasonable force may be used to "defend" yourself, it is highly unlikely you will be attacked by a tvl goon, however. If they refuse to leave your property, you may use "reasonable, proportionate, necessary" force to remove them, which would most likely Equate to pushing them off the property, nothing more, please be mindful of this, when dealing with undesirables.
Brilliant video Jon
Lovely video. I shall follow your advice. Thank you.
My mum, me and my neighbour all received letters on the same day last week saying that you are due a visit from an agent. It’s funny that they all came on the same day.
New subscriber, great videos.....just hope I don't wake up with a horse's head at the end of my bed tomorrow morning 😀
Another great one CJ, keep up the good work, we'll beat them Saville loving kiddie fiddlers in the end
I've had many many letters over the last year - I even had a pretty one in a red envelope! Isn't this all a total waste of money and effort? Perhaps Jon you should put in a FOI to ask re the success rate of all this waste of trees!
I'm pretty sure he did a video a few months ago that revealed how much money they spent sending out letters last year. iirc it was millions... they've been sending me letters for over 20 yrs!
I had one also, thought it was a late Christmas or Birthday card - was traumatised. My 'Mental Health and Wellbeing' has never been the same.
A debt needs to be established before collection is carried out. This has not happened because you do not have a contract with TV licensing like other utilities eg. Gas, Electric, Broadband. That letter is unlawful.
Maybe not. Akinika have revenue of about 12 million a year and are part of Capita. Paying by instalments may be a contract with Capita and bingo they can come after you if you stop paying.
You can also neatly cut open the TV licence envelope at the side with a sharp knife, take out the document inside and place it back in the envelope with the address facing away from the clear window on the envelope and the reseal it with clear tape. Then write on the envelope "return to sender" and pop it back in the post. Now the TV licencing people will have to pay the postage fine because, obviously, you will have conveniently neglected to attach a stamp to the letter. Keep doing this and see how long they keep sending you letters. 😊👍🏼
My hamster 'Stinky' will miss all these shredded letters!
Thanks Chili
I suspect (I really don't know) with the first letter, the licence was still active for the remainder of the year as it wasn't cancelled. TVL might have been able to call in a debt collector but chose not to for whatever reason. (And maybe still could.)
I think netflix should adopt this business model and see how long it takes the courts to set the precedent that this is not okay behaviour.
I am still waiting for a tv licencing officer to arrive at work to check for tv use in 1 building demolished 10 years ago and 2 buildings demolished 3 years ago. We still get letters demanding and saying we are getting a visit within the next couple of days. Even though i have told them umpteen times the buildings only exist as photos on the crossroads appreciation social website and articles in newspapers.
I don’t even open the envelopes any more. I can tell what they are without even opening them. Spam mail.
Straight in the bin still sealed.
They sent me cash when I had proof they lied to me said I would go to claims court for trying to obtain money by deception. Stand firm if the lie sue them.
I can’t believe it! I’m a loyal subscriber to your channel Jon, and I believed in your message, so I duly cancelled my license. And now I have a letter through my door telling me I will have a visit from the Manchester Enforcement Officers, and now because of you I could be fined £1000 plus get a criminal conviction! What the fuck am I going to do now? I’m at my wits end! I’m worried sick. What the fuck am I going to do now? I’m shaking with fear!
Everyone get one person to cancel. The BBC is dying!
Thanks again brilliantly done vid :-)
Harassment is .. Section 40 of the Administrations of justice act 1970, to harass a person whilst endeavouring to collect a debt due under contract.
(1A): Harasses with demands for payment which, in respect of their frequency or manner or occasion of making any threat or demand.
Nice one Jon
Im sure these threatening letters easily fall under an offence called 'Malicious Communications'
"Malicious Communications is where someone sends a letter or any other form of communication that is indecent or grossly offensive, threatening, or contains information which is false or believed to be false. The purpose for sending it is to cause distress or anxiety to the person it is sent to.
An offence of Malicious Communications occurs as soon as the communication is sent, and does not even have to be received by the intended person. It is the sending and intent of the offender which counts as an offence."
BBC are enforcing these letters produced by Capita, as BBC sign them off I read. Threatening someone to pay for something they don't need legally if not watching live streams, should be 'surely' reported to police as the above mentioned offence!
you can go to your nearest police station to report this or 101 (not 999!). Utter madness!
Sending malicious communications is a crime punishable by a sentence of imprisonment, a fine, or a community order, depending on the severity of the offence. In order to be convicted, the prosecution will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you committed the offence of sending malicious communications
Iv just cancelled thanks to your Videos Jon cheers mate
How many people do they employ? They must have a big main frame computer in Darlington with loads of computer operators and all the staff who input the data. The Chester office must employ many officers. The BBC could save millions by renogtiating the Contract with Capita
Thank Chilli good sound advice but they don't frighten me and i' 76 they can whistle before i pay them.
I actually think these stupid letters are pretty useful - I collect them & keep them with my camping gear to help with getting a nice warm fire on the go. Cheers, Jon - you have another subscriber!
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