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I Tried To Break Geminis - The WORST & FORGOTTEN Summoning Mechanic Of Yu-Gi-Oh!
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The problem with Gemini Monsters is that their effects were still for the most part not good and should've just been on regular effect monsters instead.
i argue that a couple of Gemini monsters have broken effects by their time, but yeah
@@Badbufon which ones i am in gold i wanna play them lol
These cards were made to be more "fair" compared to cards today. Most cards now special summon themselves, are hand traps, effect that activates on discard, effect when in grave, effect when banished, negate, banish, pop, search, add themselves back to hand/deck.
@@uuh4yj43 Gigaplant and Amazoness archer/ cannon soldier ftk
@@uuh4yj43 the best ones must be:
special summoners:
Il Blud, Gigaplant, doom shaman, blazewing butterfly
darkstorm dragon is a heavy storm on legs
heavy knight of the flame is cheap eater of millions
the zombie and plant summoners have plenty of generic support and even had their own combo decks back in the day. you will need a deck that doesn't use the normal summon tho.
(i did the gemini mission playing eldlich gemini zombies, it was alright a year ago and in low powered events)
The problem with Geminis (besides having terrible effects) is that they are normal monsters on field and in grave. All the best and most meta relevant vanilla support targets normal monsters in the hand or deck, where Gemini are treated as effect monsters. Printing good vanilla support for the field and grave would buff Gemini and normal monsters at the same time.
Otherwise they’ll always just be objectively worse effect monsters.
Also, a lot of them don't support geminis. Because konami often just threw in a random gemini monster as archetype support.
Three Words: Red-Eyes Gemini.
Return of the Red=Eyes is like the ultimate support for Gemini resurrection, Gemini Ablation is the ultimate Gemini summoner.... TOO BAD it can be negated by Ash Blossom and she negates both effects which makes it even more negative if you want to tribute a effect Gemini and pop a card, Catalyst Field is honestly a necessity to summon Gemini monsters with no tributes as well as pop cards on your opponent's field, Golknight is an important searcher and useful to use for Catalyst's popping effect, so is Evocator Eveque and it also helps in resurrection, and finally Sublimation Knight to go into any of the Gemini monsters you need by crashing it into the opponent.... only if the opponent doesn't negate it...
there are a lot of problem with geminis. i don't think there are any situations i want geminis except perhaps draft
This ^^^^^
@@johnlucas2838I'd also rather play ultra poly than normal poly. Cuz you can go into the fusion, bring back both monsters used. If you used chemicritters go into elf to revive one, if you used everque and geminize goldlord you go into Daigusto Emeral to revive any gemini in gy. The problem with it is getting out 2 geminis on the field tho
fusion is allowed to fuse from wherever the hell it wants but gemini is still stuck in the early 2010s
Gemini is stuck in 2006
There were just so many stupid choices made with Gemini: Why make every single double summon effect card apart from "Double Summon" remove them from the field at the end of the turn; why is Supervise an equip spell; why is the fusion not a Gemini or treated as one when on the field; why so many of them have OPT; where is the Gemini fusion spell.
I still love them. In fact, one of the decks I used the most against my friends is actually Gemini (not even Chemi, but the first wave of Gemini monsters), but man do I hate the fact that they tried to overbalance an archetype _centered almost exclusively around normal summoning a monster twice._ I really hope they revisit them one day and hopefully modernize the archetype a little bit.
They also still put average-at-best effects on them despite the insane hoops you have to jump through to access them.
that sounds like konami. even to this day most of the cards they make are unplayable garbo
First attempt at a monster hybrid back then wasn’t well thought out. Then pendulum were a thing and reviews were mixed.
They are probably going to get crystal beast level of spells and traps if they do get support lol
I really hope they do it in a way that makes you want to have them as Normal Monsters sometimes
Like an archetype that shares its Effect with normal monsters on the field
That way you have to make a choice of if it's more Important to have a Normal Monster to duplicate an effect or bring it out as an Effect Monster to add a different effect
The problem with Gemini is not the mechanic, but the effects the monsters gain.
They need to be stronger than any self-summoning monsters that don't take up your Normal Summon of similar Level. Like, a Level 4 Gemini should equate to a Level 6~8 Synchro in power. Instead Level 4 Gemini usually are on par with.. Level 4 monsters.. from 2008.
Mainly because 90% of geminis were made in 2008, and Konami saw they were so obviously awful it gave up on them besides on Red Eyes where they are glorified vanillas or on Chemicritters where they revisited the mechanic solely to be able to say they did cover all of them.
chemicritter is like the one deck from it's time that didn't get pendulum monsters when it's the only mechanic the game that could only ever work with pendulum effects
As someone who has used geminis a lot and likes em I can certainly say, please release good gemini monsters konami :(
Same bro. I feel like that volcanic guy :( I just more support
Sadly use Gemini lovers won't see any I'm sure
Yeah, they had a thing going on with the random chug of Gemini support a few years back. Konami minds as well make legacy support like they do with their character-based archetypes
I guess you might get your wish, Volcanics are getting new support soon this year
AXEL BROODIE HYPE!!
Ngl I liked the art of Gemini scorpions and that's why I even knew about their extremely sad existence
Make Gemini good?
1. There is good Gemini, Blazewing Butterfly, and Gemini Insect monster, which means you can send this card with Giant Ballpark and summon all 3 copies from deck. The effect is good, because this card can tribute itself and reborn any Gemini as effect monster.
2. So, maybe it will be good if Konami makes an Insect Gemini that can work or search Giant Ballpark too. Besides, I want Giant Ballpark to be more consistent too.
3. I already see Konami try to make another playable Gemini in FIRE Warrior type. So, FIRE Insect and Warrior Gemini based arctype would be interesting.
4. Most important, the main problem of Geminis isn't in their summon mechanic. But their effect is mostly trash. They're slower than a trap and have limited "normal summon", and the effect be like "This card's name become Elemental HERO Trash". Bro, just give them "a little broken" effect because how slow they are.
5. Gemini with hand effect, I think it will be okay.
it would be funny, but i genuinely doubt they are capable of doing good support for gemini.....or at all, really.
for gemini it has to be off the walls absurdly broken to be even be remotely playable, and we are talking about the people who recently put a fire lock in a salamangreat searcher rendering it unplayable for competitive play, they don't have the balls to do so.
While I do see the uses of Blazewing, Gemini Ablation just is better. It's like looking at Guardian of Felgrand vs Paladin of Felgrand, everyone will choose Paladin more because Guardian needs set up while Paladin sets up itself; Blazewing needs set up. Gemini Ablation does not, Paladin of Felgrand's brother from another deck is literally Sublimation Knight. Summon Sublimation Knight equip a Gemini from the deck preferably Golknight, crash, summon Golknight search and have a 2k beater, go into Catalyst or Gemini Ablation. As well... I consider the use Evocator Eveque as more beneficial compared to Blazewing, instead of sending a body to the grave to summon another body, this just whips out a body from the grave.
I honestly really like the general concept of gemini monsters. Monsters that you can invest into for them to get stronger. Id love to see an archetype working like that, what about a pendulum ritual deck with monsters that gain different effects if pendulum summoned or ritual summoned, like that one Odd-Eyes ritual
thats amorphage
Alien Hypno might seriously be one of the most underrated Gemini's out there. Not OPT and can literally steal all your opponents monsters and is an actual turn 2 boss monster. It requires some setup, but the Alien Link 3 searches enablers like Alien Overlord, or it searches Code A Ancient Ruins that allow you to revive a Hypno from grave while also providing the second Normal Summon to gain its effect.
Try Ghoti, honestly so fun banishing the entire field during your opponent’s turn.
As someone who wanted to play crystron (back when it was decent) but didn't have the big brain to do it, ghoti is a godsend
@@dhanyl2725 yes it’s pretty easy to master, if anyone’s interested there’s a ghoti guide in my channel but overall pretty easy to understand
@@Moha-MasterDuel Not the plug 💀
@@Moha-MasterDuel Ghoti guide : summon level 4, pass. synchro lvl 6, gets negated. GG
@@Badbufon basically
Man... I WISH this was the most forgotten mechanic in Yu-Gi-Oh... Because Master Duel certainly remembered it... Then gave us a secret quest related to gemini summoning (?) times. X(
You don't know pain until you get yourself through that quest...
Nope, its level monster.. no new support since whatever unless you count armed dragon a lv mechanic support (it isnt, its more of wind / ojama? Support)
Still fond of having horus lv 8 on field
So how good are the god cards after 20 years of support? They lose to Gemini monsters.
To be fair, Geminis and Gods are on equal tier, trash tier to be exact.
Once per turn to keep the geminis from being TOO powerful
2:56 This was actually my reaction to first seeing Gemini monsters in high school. None of my playgroup knew the rules super well nor did we have easy access to the internet with a smartphone to look them up, and I was convinced my friend was playing them wrong and that he actually needed to summon a second copy of the card (you know, because they are twins).
Best way they could have done gemini is to make them into effect monsters with an effect and if you normal summon it, it gains another effect. For instance how about a gemini monster with an effect to monster reborn a gemini monster for 1k LP and it's gemini effect makes it so the gemini monster summoned gains its gemini effect. Atleast make them useful on the field and not require another card to do anything.
if the boss was gemini you will need to normal summon him which is fuckin hilarious lol.
An honorable Gemini perhaps?
I was already having internet problems today so that fake loading screen almost made me angry.
Theoretically the power of gemini cards is they play so counterintuitive that your opponent doesn't know how to counter, in reality gemini cards are such that most opponents can counter them without even knowing that they're doing it.
they could print a gemini monster that said "draw 2, take control of one monster your opponent controls, banish their entire hand, and then they have to suck you off under the table" and I still dont think people would play it lmao.
I fucking love this series please more
If I had a nickel for every time Farfa was in a video that reminded me how much I want and love the Chemicritter cards, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but its weird that it happened twice.
3:48 - 3:52 i thought youtube added a new loading screen lmao
Mum can we have effect monsters?
We have effect monsters at home Farfa
During one of the events played a very similar deck to get all the gemini summon rewards
First of the dragons combined with dragon mirror works well in this deck
For gem questing I made Chemicritter and use it every now and then during special events…
…. It is aweful I have tried literally everything to make Gemini work. Best luck we’d have had woulda been floodgate turbo.
Giga Plant and Neos Alias are like the only Gemini I remember ever using
And neos isn't used for its Gemini effect lol
truly one of the sphere modes of all time
2:52 Idk what to tell you mean, but that's literally how Geminis work... you summon them while they're on the field.
can't say I like how the jokes flowed this video, reminded me of something I'd see on those "HAJIME HATSUDO WAIT UP OH HELL NAH" Master Duel short video channels.
I find it weird that people say things like their effects are average at best, but the fact that the matter is most of these Gemini monsters have effects that boss monsters have and a lot of these are just like level 4 bodies. Like how many creatures do you know that can just destroy a creature once per turn for free? I'm not talking about a boss monster. I'm talking about what archetype has a level 4 monster that can be normal. Summoned that can just destroy a monster in the field once per turn. The only reason people say these things are average at best is because most level four monsters are extenders that give hand advantage or some s***.
"Why are they OPT?"
Because leave it to Komoney to make an intentionally bad gimmick and then strap an anchor to it.
Really liked the editing on this one
I built Chemicritter IRL...I love the concept and art...but the Gemini part holds it back...
What if we had an archetype like Floowandereeze that chains normal summons to gemini most of their archetype?
Add a new gemini mechanic where you can gemini summon a gwmini monster that has either similar attribute, stats or type with all of its full effect
i play chemicritter/gemini every week at locals in what we like to call “pretournament sillies”. i love them so much.
Who could win? An archetype of monsters over 10 years old, or suships?
It’s crazy how sometimes Konami will make cards that are so restricted and clearly they don’t want to be good in anything but their own deck, and then they make tearlaments
OUR CHICKEN GAME
2:54 wtf are you talking about that is literally how gemini work
Gemini is my fav archetype, idc how janky they are. The Gemini deck I have is the least janky imo. Rank 8 turbo basically
More drunken Jim Lahey editor, we need the world to know he existed.
This makes me wonder; would Enchanted Fitting Room work for this deck or nah?
good maybe not great but the best part is you just need hope harbinger and immortal gearfried that came out then the deck comes into its own
AND gemini dont need walls of text pendulums 👍
also baronne de fleur slaps with this deck
Sanest Gemini deckbuilding test
They need to make "gemeni" a restriction on other cards. Imagine if Extra deck monsters, like Ariseheart, were gemeni? Spending a normal summon to give them effect could balance some broken cards
Does anyone remember which stream Farfa reacted to MBT's tournament and if the VOD is still up?
I don't know what was the editor smoking but it's some good shit I can tell
Hell yeah, and that's not even a third of all that is Gemini! There's still Red Eyes Gemini and Fire Warrior Gemini!
YEAH MISTER FARFA!
YEAH SCIENCE!
"Surely the RA deck doesn't have removal"
Clueless
i'm 1 minute in and already loving this editing, good job editor farfaPo
Man if I got clapped by Geminis I would just uninstall
Did anyone happen to catch the full decklist in the stream? Curious to try it out and modify it to my tastes for playing with friends or something.
I could break them quite a lot by using the Spright engine. Chemicritters will ever be my beloved, or as I call the decklist: My Chemical Romance.
¿Is he trying a Gemimi Deck... without "Supervise"/"Unleash Your Power!"/Double Summon"/"Gemini Ablation", nor any similar cards? 🙃🙃
I'm just waiting until Farfa makes a whole compilation of him and his screams
Yep glad to see us discovering every problem with Gemini at once: Their effects are mid as fuck, Chemicritters are actually kinda modern so they were printed with hard OPTs, none of their extra deck support cards can be Gemini because of what that tag actually *means* for card's effects. Extreme field reliance through a meta of Runick and now Tears, and the field boosts the deck to playable at best. There are no Link or Pendulum supports so we're stuck ED cards that are painful to even summon, such that HARD DRAWING POLY as the best enabler. Ablation is good but slow, same with Golknight.
God I wish Konami put in a shred of effort into making these cards actually playable.
Random buffer at 3:50
How would a fusion be a Gemini farfa?
You gonna fusion summon the same copy of it twice?
Gemini are so intersting.
Like just removed the once per turn, it takes 2 normal summons.
Only fair I get to shearch more than once for that
Why do people make fun of silver/gold decks and silver/gold players? Why don't they just play their ishizu cards in diamond and stay in their lane? lol
Because gold and silver has decks you won't find anywhere else, like gemini
I mean, they're playing actual good decks and I'm playing Gemini in 2023 - they've more than gained the right to laugh at my poorly made decision.
dear god.. i appreaciate your effort on building a full gemini deck. astaghfirullah. the only gemini card i ever played was that red eyes archfiend, back in duel links, as we can special summon it with the trap cards, and then normal summon it again. but even then, its just too slow
I own and play gemini and trust me, the deck is really bad but it wont matter if your opponent is worse
Based gen 4 bgm
I wish they would release some pure Union support -- yeah ABC was good. But it is still a forgotten type.
0:37 please do not use this edit again, it hurt my ears really bad
Gahd damn, man literally drew the out
Gemini could be good if, and hear me out, Pendulum Summon.
OH MY GOD A NEW I TRIED TO BREAK ITS BEEN ALMOST 2 YEARS
Ah yes, the mechanic that is just bad as the main deck Ghostrash monsters...... Even OG Noble Knights are also victims of this that Konami just reboot it into Infernoble Knights......
We just need fusion spell like branded for gemini
I need to know what this decks actual plan is.
The Archetype is so bad that our muslim friend pulled out a wine bottle 9:16 , empty? I don't know🤷♂
Salamangreat is the new Gemini archetype
I miss the i tried to break series XD
Of course the gemini boss is not a gemini; geminis suck and a boss is not supposed to suck!
(also, gemini support is clearly trying to get you to play with infernoble; with all the equip spell and FIRE warrior references)
Love you video farfa
are gemini considered normal in the deck? It would be pretty dumb if theyre not.
Im thinking of unexpected dai.
No, they're only considered as normal monster in the field or gy
@@randompinecone2180 damn
Why didn't he try red eyes gemini actually? I remember one of them is destroy monsters
2:52 - WTF were you expecting?!? A ghost copy of the card in hand?!? It's already *ON* the goddamn field! Of *COURSE* you click on the card YOU'RE TRYING TO SUMMON TO SUMMON IT, HOW IS THAT A BAD INTERFACE?!?
6:15 - Calling Raptinus the "Boss monster of the Geminis" is like calling Kitkallos the "boss monster" of Tearlaments. Or, more accurately, calling Oracle the "boss monster" of Gravekeepers because they're both terrible monsters in their respective archetypes that even those who *PLAY* the archetypes NEVER FUCKING USE.
Black Brutedrago, Darkstorm Dragon, Phoenix Gearfried, those are *WAY* more akin to boss monsters than shit like Raptinous.
Furthermore... WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE FORCED TO SUMMON YOUR EXTRA DECK MONSTER *AGAIN* BEFORE GAINING ITS EFFECT?!? Because that's what you'd be advocating for if you wanted Raptinous to be a Gemini. You want an already unplayable strategy to be MORE unplayable?!?
A: The bad interface is the problem where it doesn't have any additional keywords to the Summon, like "Gemini" so its just confusing, like Geminis are in actual paper
B: Raptinus could simply have the text "This card is treated as a Gemini card with its effects" added, and thus actually synergize with effects for Gemini support
@@syrelian "it doesn't have any additional keywords to the Summon, like 'Gemini'"
There is literally no reason for that.
1) You don't need to distinguish it from other summons, because even the most mouth-breathing, family-humping genetic defective can see it's ALREADY ON THE FIELD! I know people are idiots but how brain-dead do you have to be to not realize that if you're getting the option to summon something that's already on the field that the card is different?!?
2) "Gemini Summon" doesn't even mean anything from a mechanics standpoint. It's just another Normal Summon ...that's it. The only reason "Pendulum summon" exists is because some cards can _be_ summoned a certain way and certain cards can _respond_ to Pendulum summons specifically. (That, and them being tied to Link arrows change how they function.) But calling it a "Gemini Summon" would just confuse people as to why they can still be destroyed with Trap Hole if they weren't normal summoned, or confuse opponents as to why their special summon negate didn't work. It just adds a label to something that doesn't need one to begin with. Besides, again, what kind of paleolithic-era-brained Neanderthal is going to look at an option that doesn't appear for ANY OTHER TYPE OF CARD OUT OF OVER 10,000 and think to themselves: "Hur! Dis must nawt bee da ting me am trying two due cuz it no spesiffically say 'Jemineye' awn eet."
@@TheTaintedWisdom Gemini Summon actually is mechanically distinct from a normal summon, for one, you don't need to Tribute to perform it for a Lv5+ Monster, which is a completely bespoke mechanic unexplained anywhere on the card, its just a ruling you have to know about this supposedly normal summon on a card that's already on the field, Geminis break a ton of rules and do it in the most obtusely written way with terrible terminology
And its not like there isn't already a kind of Summon that isn't a Special Summon but has a name, Flip Summon
@@syrelian "Gemini Summon actually is mechanically distinct from a normal summon, for one, you don't need to Tribute to perform it for a Lv5+ Monster"
Fusilier Dragon The Dual Mode Bease? Mist Archfiend? Majestic Mech? Beast King Barbaros? etc. There are *several* 5+ monsters that can be normal summoned without tributing.
While it would be nice if there were tutorials in the game to explain certain mechanics that aren't laid out in the card text, adding "Gemini" to the summon text is not that.
"And its not like there isn't already a kind of Summon that isn't a Special Summon but has a name, Flip Summon"
Because... say it with me... it's *DISTINCT* from other types of summons. Most effects prevent _Normal_ or _Special_ Summons. So if you can protect a monster you Set previously, you can circumvent otherwise crippling restrictions by Flip Summoning.
But you can't do that shit with Gemini summoning because, again, it's not a distinct type of summon, so you can't say "no, no, no, see, I'm not Normal summoning, I'm _"Gemini"_ summoning, and since Rhongo Bongo says I can't _Normal or Special_ summon that means I can just stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalalala I can't hear you." when you tell me I'm wrong and that's not how it works.
@@TheTaintedWisdom All of those monsters you listed explicitly state they can be summoned without Tributes, Gemini does not and has no other text implying it has special mechanisms to how it works, unlike say, Spirit Monsters or Toon Monsters, which reiterate the exacts of their mechanics on every card, because the existence of the card type is not itself an explanation
A Tribute Summon is also still a Normal Summon, adding a word onto it doesn't make it not a Normal Summon, just because you're being willfully obtuse and ignorant doesn't mean you're actually saying anything meaningful
who tf edited this lol
Do spirits next
i love this deck 😂
Lahey from trailer park booooyz yeeeah
You're not slick farfa
Have you ever tried Spirit monsters? 🤔
Gemini too broke , please nerf. Also Ban hade-hane , he bounces 3. Thank.
Gemini a tier 0 deck?
Gemini the failed archetype sadkek
New searchable continuous spell: All geminis on the field are treated as if they were gemini summoned (2nd normal) and have their effects.
MAH BABY BOIS!!!!!
BALLER
I, come in
It's not banlist day
I, leave
Geeehhmineee
There is only one way I can feasibly see gemini being good. Set rotation. Then, on the new set, make a lot of gemini support.
You forgot the part where you then make every other deck unplayable
wow
Ah yeah lets not print HOPT on the Gemini monster, that’s never gone wrong before in the past
Also, calling Chemicritter ‘gemini deck’ is like playing Hero and calling it ‘fusion deck’