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How in the hell did y'all not mention the first Gulf War and the battle of 73 Easting. That was pure dominance by the US Military against what was then considered the #3 military in the world. I mean come on...
In Korea the north invaded the south and pushed the south all the way back, the US and UN allies came and pushed all the way north basically to the Chinese border, the Chinese came in and pushed the us back deep into the south, the US and south the pushed the Chinese forces back north again and wound up fighting to a stalemate around the 38th parallel. At the end South Korea gained slightly more territory than it started the war with and the ongoing Korean dmz conflict began.
Yeah exactly no one lost Korea, other than Korean housing
@@danielzhang5395 and the Chinese, human wave tactics don't work that well once your enemies lower the aa guns to chest level.
No one lost, it was a draw,as far as numbers the Chinese lost more men
@@Toxic_COB lmao dudes getting vaporized
@@BananaPhoPhilly a thick red mist
Sometimes Kyle’s grasp on history is reductive
Its frustrating how close is he to the truth on a lot of topics, I keep thinking hes based then he ruins it.
The guy needs to look up the definition of victory.
It’s almost like his grasp on reality or a tangible personality
He's a shut in who doesn't go outside, only plays video games inside and smokes weed all day. What do you expect
Pka's take on history both makes me cringe and laugh at how bad it is. Lol
South Koreans must be very confused to hear from Kyle that they lost.
Kyle saying America hasn’t lost many wars because they chose to pull out is like saying somebody wasn’t fired because they shouted ‘You can’t fire me! I quit!’ after they got told they were fired lol
We lost Vietnam cause the communists in the state department didn't like the project of eradicating communism. Vietnam could have been won with an invasion of Cambodia, destroying the Ho Chi Minh trail and turning the North into a crater.
@@krystal7958 The US did invade Cambodia and did bomb the North. Ever heard of Linebacker 1 and 2?
Also fucking Rolling Thunder??
The lack of bombs wasn’t the issue
Not really a good comparison, we did win the majority of battles and the american public wasnt for the war. The war would have lasted decades and we lost interest
@@jacksonsparrow8865 Doesn’t matter, you still lost
@@danielzhang5395 I don't count anything past 1969 as having occurred, sorry.
When you see someone saying how smart Kyle is, link them this.
Who tf has ever said that Kyle is smart?
Other geniuses
@@mikecurry6847 not sure why someone would but people commonly comment how he makes Taylor and woody look stupid. This is perhaps the most flawed America biased take I’ve ever heard.
@@mikecurry6847 you should check the uvalde clip comments
He sounds informed a lot of the time but then you get gold like this
War isn't about who kills the most, it'd about who quits first. If you are doing more damage in a fist fight but tap out, you lost the fight
Every administration: We lost Vietnam.
Veterans: we need to never repeat Vietnam again,
International community: the US lost Vietnam.
Military intelligence: we’re loosing Vietnam, we need to GTFO.
Taylor: we need to consider beyond just skirmishes.
Kyle: fuck that, we won that shit.
God damn glorious.
Looking at it we won on the battlefield but lost at home as the north generals said if it lasted longer they’d lose and even the tet offensive was a failure more viet cong died then American troops its more like we left and then the south got beat up
Military intelligence didn’t say it was a losing war as it was never ground just random skirmishes that was not that bad shit 55-60K died and it was what a 10-15 year war in Ukraine 30-38K dead Russian troops in 3-4 months of fighting
He said "we decided to lose Vietnam". Point out the timestamp where Kyle says US won Vietnam.
I’ve talked to a couple of Vietnam vets who pretty much agree with Kyle.
I would argue that south vietnam lost vietnam. Really it was their war.
How the fuck can you say we lost Korea? South Korea exists. We accomplished most of our goals. We looked bad when the Chinese joined the war, then retook half the country.
You can make the argument for Vietnam, but you absolutely cannot make the case for Vietnam while saying we lost Korea.
Thats moving the goalposts. Nato couldnt have taken north-Korea from the Chinese even if they wanted to. However US couldve taken whole of Vietnam if the public at home supported it.
Isn't the Korean war technically still going on
It’s hilarious to say this considering the US couldn’t even get a peace treaty.
Kyle is right about Vietnam but somewhat wrong about Korea. Vietnam was lost at home, which led to the actual war being lost. The US Military absolutely had the capability to topple North Vietnam, but based on the anti-war movements at home we left. Korea, on the other hand, was left at a stalemate, but I would argue the US and South Korea won. The North Koreans had pushed the US military and South Korea back to the tip of their peninsula, but excellent military strategy led to the North Koreans literally being pushed back up to the Chinese border. In return, the Chinese poured over the border and pushed us back to the 38th parallel. The Chinese lost a whole lot of people and it took a while for the Chinese military to recover from this maneuver. Time has shown that, while both nations exist, one is further from the brink of collapse then the other.
The fact that the Americans didn’t want to commit in Korea also played a big role, they could have easily escalated the whole thing and even used nuclear weapons but decided not to, big mistake imo if they did that we wouldn’t have the problem we have now with China and North Korea
How exactly could the US have won in Vietnam militarily?
@@infantjones Remove the bombing restrictions on the North's infrastructure, deploy combat patrols across the dmz, take more advantage of the terrain(everyone thinks the VC were the only pros at guerrilla warfare when in truth SOG used the same tactics to greater effect in a lot of scenerios), mobilize actual offensive operations instead of trying to get the ARVN to do it, commit to holding territory taken from the NVA instead of just blowing it up and leaving, capitalize on defensive victories with counterattacks, limit the draft and issue a gag order on media coverage until after battle conditions were established.
What kept all that from happening is that the US didn't want to actually conquer Vietnam, just keep it from going full commie. If they had approached the war with that attitude the outcome would've been very different.
@@infantjonesthe NVA was on the brink of collapse after the strategic failure of the Tet offensive
The dude I thought was my father was in Vietnam. He was 16 when he went. Just made him a bigger asshole with a murderous/violent instincts and add an admiration for drinking and drugs. So my childhood was just a pleasure 😄 🤣 😂 😆
I think the 56k dead soldiers for 0 objective gained would disagree.
The objective was getting to kill communists
Also ww2 couldn’t have been won with out United States. The US production power was unmatched and pretty much all allied powers depended on US to make tanks, trunks, ships for everyone. That was probably more influential to the war than anything
Russia would've beaten Germany without USA, I think Kyle had it right where Germany was getting weaker but nobody was getting rid of Japan if it wasn't USA
@@CamMackay96 russia was mostly supplied by the usa aswell they wouldnt have had a chance sgainst the third reich if they didnt need to gight the us and they wouldnt support half the world.
@@CamMackay96 I don't know how you can say that for sure when the United States was primarily the ones who pushed the Italians and Germans out of North Africa, 'convinced' Italy to switch sides, and secured the Western Front. Without the US there was no Western Front and the British sure as hell couldn't secure Africa by themselves.
The Soviet Union had too much man power and too much control over their economy to lose. Sure it would’ve taken years longer and would’ve lost probably 3-5x as many Soviets, but it would’ve gotten done. The German army was high tech, high efficiency, but small, Soviets were low tech, low efficiency, but huge numbers in terms of soldiers and production.
@@CamMackay96 to be fair Russia did invade all of Manchuria, Inner Mongolia and northern Korea and fears of a communist invasion were often cited as greater reasons to surrender than the American nukes
Kyle is actually right. We gave up in vietnam. We could have won it. Get the media out and let the military choose what goes home to the public and we win.
The US gave the Vietnam war basically all it could muster. The largest strategic and tactical bombing campaign in human history and being forced to draft hundreds of thousands of men to sustain operations, and the US still lost. The idea that the media lost the war is complete and utter nonsense, South Vietman was suffering much heavier losses than they could sustain and the US + South Vietnam were badly losing the fight for popular support that actually mattered, being that in Vietnam itself. Widespread Vietnamese civilian opposition to US military operations and the South Vietnamese dictatorship did 10 times as much to end the war than protests and media reports in the US did.
@@infantjones are you joking?
@@JoelEmmettMcGarrity no?
@@infantjones we absolutely did not give it all we could muster. We fought their war but you are right. We lost popularity where it really mattered. Feels similar to operation enduring freedom. We created as many insurgents as we put down.
Lol Kyle got shit on by Taylor's great point that part the win condition of a war is being able to justify seeing it out to the end to the public. He was legit dumbfounded until he fell back on "I don't see what that has to do with anything".
Dumb example, but anyone who has played an empire building RTS knows that public support is needed for war and without it, it's impossible to complete the objective.
empire building RTS = real life experience
@@webcamthemesongs He literally said that it was a bad example. All things considered its probably not the worst example you could make for the same situation though.
@@webcamthemesongs well its not like you can wage a war if the people are unwilling to fight in said war
he was making the point that they didn't lose the war because of lack military power, but because of politics, he never said that they didn't lose the war
According to Kyle operation linebacker didn’t happen
I think Tucker is by far my favorite guest. Always an enjoyable show when he’s on.
He's not the funniest guy, but he's alright.
@@badkarma2761 may not be the funniest but he's always a good guest
Good takes (or atleast he got a reason why he believes them, not just spouting stuff) good chemistry and his rotation is long enough, that he always has some good stories...
Canada and Australia undefeated....well in Australia case only counts with wars against humans lmfao
I don’t think the US has ever strategically lost a war. Wars are won and lost, started, resumed, and ended on the basis of the political climate of how people have voted in the States. Americans have never had to truly feel what a complete defeat and surrender in a conflict that would’ve completely routed the government.
It’s all in your perspective on what exactly someone defines “Lost” means.
I know what you´re saying, America was never invaded/conquered/destroyed. But for me it´s about objectives. You fail your objectives while the enemy achieves their objectives, that means you lost and they won.
That’s because America is a Chad, all you beta countries don’t mess with the big dick energy.
How could I even forget…. The US couldn’t have lost the Korean War, nobody lost or won, because technically it’s still ongoing because it was only a sort of cease fire and there has been no peace treaty. One reason why the DMZ is so hot.
America lost the vietnam war facts taylor
Nah dude, South Vietnam lost the war. The USA let them lose it by withdrawing.
We were invited to South Vietnam by their govt to help defend it. We essentially ran out on our allies and let them be wiped out. Which is much worse than simply losing the war imo.
So if i were to go fight someone and was kicking their ass and said i had enough is that losing the fight?
@@jacksonsparrow8865 wars aren’t comparable to fist fights. The only objective way to measure who wins a war is by looking at what the country wished to achieve when they entered the war. The US’s goal when they entered Vietnam was to prevent Communists taking Vietnam which regardless of the reasons why the the Americans where incapable of doing
@@JarthenGreenmeadow the US lost the Vietnam war since they withdrew.
@@jacksonsparrow8865 except the fact is that the US was getting their ass kicked, then said I had enough of this and withdrew their troops.
Korea was a stalemate, Kyle needs to read up on history
Korea was an L and the last serious war fought by the US.
South Korea disagreed
I would not say that troops vs troops we lost in Vietnam. Our boys did their jobs just as any war before. It was the politicians and people back home that “lost the war” if you don’t got support then there’s no point…..but military vs military I definitely don’t think the NVA and VC out gunned and out maneuvered our guys. Plus you gotta look at tactics. Vietnam had like no real goal other than “search and destroy. We would go in find the target destroy it and bomb it then leave and they would just re-occupy the position…..I would blame Vietnam on the political leaders upper military leaders and the civilian support back home. But the Grunts NCOs and Officers seemed to do exactly what they were told and completed the objective. At least to my knowledge…..
My grandad was a civil engineer who worked on the coastal defences of Eastern Scotland during WW2. I bet he enjoyed that a lot more than going to France 😂
Woody acting like working on a farm was a place of privilege in the 60’s and 70’s lmao
I can’t believe I am defending Woody but he did address the fact the Taylor was invalidating his point.
@@MrSqurk hush
@@JL-pj6kk no
We bombed North Vietnam but it was lackluster with too many rules of engagement so it was pretty ineffective. Until Linebacker came under Nixon which allowed us to get some leeway in negotiations. Overall I partially agree with Kyle, we chose to lose not only because we left but you could argue we were hardly trying.
“Too many rules of engagement” there no rules of engagement in Vietnam lol do many innocents died in crossfire and intentional massacres like Mai Lai
@@David-cj8wv That was specifically for the bombing, and it wasn't only that LBJ refused to mine the Haiphong harbor and refused to go after the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos and Cambodia.
"I know gun so I know war" Kyle probably
lmao
Korea Vietnam iraq and Afghanistan are interesting wars plus the small cold war scuffles like Grenada Afghanistan and Panama
We invaded the hell out of Iraq
@@Matt-xc6sp Twice. Desert Storm was absolutely insane
We did indeed bomb north Vietnam. I do not know where Kyle got this information
My father joined the military before the draft started and became a MP basically garenteing he didn't go overseas.
my dad was against the war. he didn't turn 18 until 1972 so he had little chance of being drafted.
My father did the opposite. He was the younger brother he knew there was a high likelihood of the draft so he joined up early and got into the green berets.
His thought was if he was going into combat he'd like to have more training
Kyle is kinda right though. Its not like the USA couldnt have invaded North Vietnam and rekt them easily. We decided to make a bunch of bases surrounded by jungle and hold them until we decided to leave.
They couldn’t because then China would have joined
lol
So, you´re saying that USA could have won, but decided not to do it...
@@mindtraveller100 war is a racket. We farted around in he Middle East for 2 decades. Could’ve just blown up everything in site but it’s not that simple.
@@mindtraveller100 Of course.
@@mindtraveller100 more like got bored left and the south lost instead
Didn’t really lose as the whole war was a stalemate hit and runs that won no land and had more dead troops then killed Americans tet offensive was a failure and more like Public got bored wanted out and so the south was up to fight and lost that goals changed even some North generals said if it went longer they’d lose like someone winning most of a war and dips out or tells a side to fight on south lost bit after like a boxer winning then gets bored and leaves at the 12th round and another fighter comes in and loses.
thats called guerrilla warefare working. our objective in the war was prevent spread of communism.
vietnams goal was to kick us out.
we arent in Vietnam and vietnam is communist we lost
Wrong, Kyle is wrong on literally everything he said lmao
40 years after fall of Saigon, Vietnamese see U.S. as key ally
What about that USS Liberty thing around the same time
What does that have to do with this?
Kyle says America lost Vietnam cause cause they refused to bomb the North, yet America bombed the fuck out of the north🙄
they bombed the ho chi min trail not the shit that needed to be bombed but yeah lol
@@cantsneedgaming4591 I mean, operation linebacker
@@cantsneedgaming4591 Because it would be a war crime to bomb villages. Its not like they had industrial cities and steel factories making weapons.
@@soulstealer930 that wasn’t even as much as we bombed other countries
Kyle: We were not willing to do the things we needed toi do like bomb the north
Does anyone want to tell him we dropped north Vietnam so badly that its literally the largest amount of bombs dropped in history?
Does Kyle think the U.S didn't bomb North Vietnam?
Kyles in denial, North Vietman won that war.
If you ever seen anything about the aircraft carriers they're all run by 19-year-old kids people do one tour then they get the hell off that ship there's very few older people on those boats compared to the thousands that are on those ships
Woody got cancer from this episode LOL
“Reliable food, pay, and housing” I’m still owed 3 years of BAS backpay
The hardest part about Vietnam wasn't "Men in black pajamas" it was the fact that the North Vietnamese Army had top of the line equipment from the Soviets and like Kyle said we had to tip toe into their land since we couldn't freely bomb them and take out their Missile sites and the Public eyes restricted how we fought and on top the Draft send soldiers that weren't motivated or had been demoralized by the public opinion which made combat prowess suffer a bit
To be fair if America actually tried to invade the north China would probably have pulled Korea 2 electric boogaloo
That’s a great point, and also proves that we learned our lesson from Vietnam. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan and Russia invaded Ukraine, they are fighting a near infinite supply of modern western equipment that they can’t stop, lest they start directly targeting western assets.
@@soulstealer930 Maybe but the Chinese-Vietnamese relations were really bad after about 1969 and they stopped supporting them with weapons and soldiers, this leads to them invading in 1979.
“Macnamaras morons” drafted guys who didn’t finish high school it sucked. Not only did you get some legit idiots in the field but you got a lot of normal men who were good soldiers but had that label of “idiot brigade” on them and got used as cannon fodder
almost like slave soldiers are a bad ideacor something
The tet offensive was worthless militarily, but changed public opinion greatly, due to over sensationalized news reporting.
The reason the US doesn't outright win wars since WW2 is due to politics. It requires total commitment and limited rules of engagement, but it doesn't bode well for politicians running for reelection with an activist press at home.
Taylor really knows shit all about nam.
Kyle is definitely biased haha it's universally agreed America lost the Vietnam war
Well, many people like him don´t agree, but they are wrong.
He said America lost vietnam because of politics. He said America lost the war... Militarily US dominated the conflict, as you would expect when theyre fighting against rice farmers with helicopters, jets and tanks.
@@adonizi true why don’t people think about it like that they think America went all out and lost like naw USA was winning but pulled out due to public opinion being bored and due to controversy
@@Channel-23s That's part of war bud, I know you rightfully see the US military as a giant unfeeling automaton, but the machine needs money and support to function.
@@Nibtarr not really apart of War it’s like saying in WW1 Russia lost like naw they withdraw because there was a civil war and revolution Military wise America can compete with the best it all depends on mentally and drive if there’s boredom and lack of support
2:16 bro Operation Linebacker
IKR?
I know about that since i was 14 or 15, and i´m not even American...
@@mindtraveller100 yeah, it's how they brought the North Vietnamese to the peace table.
Kyle's Korean War facts are laughable
My great grandfather was exempt from world war 2 because he was a single father of 2 boys and was a farmer who also worked at a munitions plant nearby too...said his service was needed at home.
Really love that you guys were able to respectfully have different perspectives on this. I super agree with Taylor about getting the public on board being part of a "successful" war. Loved this talk
Taylor really sounded like a pos there. Like Kyle said, those men were HEROS. I doubt Taylor has the balls to stand infront of the wrong end of a machine gun.
I thought the US military decided the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze. I saw somewhere that if the US decided to do a full ground invasion of the main land it would cost at least 1m+ US lives, the public wouldn't be able to stomach that and so the retreat was ordered instead.
Disagree about korea. If it wasnt for us troops south korea would look like north korea and starving today. South korea is a thriving country because of the sacrafices us soldiers gave. My grandpa served in korea. He lost many of his friends. Many gave all so that others could be free from communisim. And today i have a ftiend who is from south korea and he is thankful that the us helped free his country from the norths invasion. The goal wasnt to occupy the north. The goal was to liberate the south from the oppressive north from the beggining
We won the Gulf War, War in Grenada, War in Panama, Iraq war.
It's a misconception that the American public was not in favor of the Vietnam war. It was a marginal fraction of the population, hippies, who were against it. This was not the same sentiment shared by the average 60s public at the time
I love listening to all you guys talk including Kyle but military history is not your forte. There was quite a bit that misconstrued, oversimplified, and just flat out wrong.
Kyle forgot about operations rolling thunder
Rolling Thunder was a bombing of southern Vietnamese territory controlled by Viet Cong forces.
@@thebigragu9952 rolling thunder first began with a bombing campaign in the north but later was restricted to the south in a bid for diplomacy, im looking at a picture of a US fighter plane fire rockets at a train in north Vietnam
The tunnel rats were ruthless going down into the tunnels with a 45 and a knife crazy
The whole platoon had two sticks and a rock! And they had to share the rock!
@@randomaccount3365 na they had dookie glocks
@@janmatuku8960 Ak dookie-7
I'm obsessed with the Vietnam war always listen to podcasts about SOG soldiers fighting in Laos and we definitely lost cause the north took over the south which is what we didn't want. The problem was the south Vietnamese were pussies and couldn't hold there own. But the north had determined soldiers and we're twice the soldiers of the south. We also don't talk about the heroin epidemic that went on.
It kills me how folks dont realize that there is a such thing as a war that you were never meant to win. The fact is all these powerful nations answer to the Central Bankers. Which means other than just on the surface level we aren't separate.
Also remind me what is Saigon called today?
Vietnam is Communist in name only. 40 years after fall of Saigon, Vietnamese see U.S. as key ally
Ho Chi Minh would be disappointed to say the least had he been alive today.
I love Taylor’s complete lack of communication skills this clip
Talking about kill ratio then not acknowledging the insane amount of chinese that were killed in korea.
There's a free SK today. There is no such equivalent for Vietnam
Look up Vietnam US approval rating and tell me who actually won.
Idk what history Kyle studied or where, but it wasn’t in school that’s forsure.
"Woodys wood is mine" -Kyle aka fpsrussia, 2023"
How did america steal the show in ww2 we got involved the same time as the soviets
I like it but this podcast is a disaster when they start talking about history
We dont send the poor, we send the replaceable
Korea wasn’t a loss lol we took far less casualties
Man im starting to hate Taylor!!!
Taylor loves the word “like”
Korea was literally a draw, hence 2 Koreas
Vietnam war wasn’t a draw we won lol we just left
Guys talk "we" like they were in these wars
11:50 I know a few people who would be offended by Jericho pointing out how people join the military for lots of reasons that have nothing to do with high-minded ideals. But Jericho is right. If you served in Iraq or Afghanistan it's likely you'd have rather been in college than digging ditches while being yelled at by Sarge.
I quit college to go to Afghanistan
@@bobrobert1123 You must not have had much luck on sorority row. Chasing those stinky delicious barely legal squish pockets was the best part of college.
Taylor cooked Kyle lol
kyle 1, taylor zero
Lmao we lost cuz we deceided to loose...🤣🤣
We did though. Our strategy was to hold bases scattered across the jungle. We could have invaded North Vietnam easily but decided to let the VC have the initiative.
Literally fought the war the VC would have the easiest time with. Sending patrols out to get ambushed all the time etc. If we had took out Hanoi the war woulda been over and a new war with China would have started.
We decided to lose is very accurate.
*lose
@@JarthenGreenmeadow That´s funny. US decided to lose, but it took them almost a decade to do it... lol Wining a war can take years, but losing a war on purpose should not take more than a weekend. Did the US wasted 58 000 American lifes for nothing, on purpose? Do you really believe that?
Imagine letting a regard Eff you for an entire summer and then you grow up and try to act like you were "molested". No Bobby you were bringing yourself to him.
Taylor 3:11 … yes we definitely have in the Persian gulf war. We really fucked up Iraq in that. You could also argue the initial stage of the Iraq war was a major victory.
The only reason we lost vietnam is because of politics shit we still use parts of the Phoenix program and also we supplied the Russians for the win in ww2
Japanese even planned to invade India lol they got really far west.
Technically, if you consider the fact that Burma was a part of British India, they in fact did
russia would have defeated germany one way or the other
Which way?
Actually, Taylor we have won a lot of wars since WW2.
Lebanon
Dominican Republic
Korean DMZ
Grenada
Libya
Panama
Persian Gulf
Kosovo
Haiti
And several interventions countries like Iraq and Libya were successful in destroying ISIS targets
LMAO 🤣 A “war” against Haiti and Panama is something to be proud of?
@@pomodorostudyclub Yes
No we lost the Vietnam war because they simply out fought us. We lost essentially the entire thing
We didn't lose, all three sides signed a peace agreement in early 1973, the US left, and the North invaded the South a year after the agreement was signed.
They didn't outfight the US, the US kicked their asses and then left after signing an agreement that the North ended up violating. They waited to do anything for almost a full year until the bulk of US personal left the country because they couldn't win against US forces.
Look at the casualty ratios on these battles. Its like 1 dead American for every 100 Vietcong. Military with radio, radar, helicopters, jets and tanks is going to dominate against rice farmers. If you think Vietcong outfought the US you have no idea what youre talking about.
That’s bullshit when they gain no ground and tet offensive was a failure more of them died then killed US troops
@@GekoHayate true
Remember when you could avoid jail time by going off to nam, congo, etc
as someone who wrote their college thesis on Vietnam. We lost the war fair and square.
@AtR our one objective was to preserve the south Vietnam independence. We failed.
@@worldofdoom995 Because the war had no support from the public at home so the troops were pulled. Its not like the north-Vietnamese military conquered the south, they just walked in. That is losing the war, but it wasnt lost militarily.
@@worldofdoom995 our objective changed we didn’t lose fair and square
@@worldofdoom995 if you did research you’d know we left because the public didn’t want to keep staying there and we won most of the war but it was basically sitting around wait for a ambush beat it hell tet offensive was a lost and the troops were happy to see real action
No we didn’t, they have McDonald’s in their capital so think again
I think of the 3 Taylor is definitely the most logical. Kyle and woody are just good at spouting talking points they saw on UA-cam
I think spec ops actually die less by percentage
You could join the National Guard to avoid being drafted.
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Kyle would only be right if our goal in the Vietnam War was to commit genocide against the Vietnamese and wipe them out because yes we could have done that. But the public stated purpose of the war was basically two Serve and Protect the Vietnamese people from dictatorship and act as a type of global police and protect civilians, innocent civilians that we have been proven to have slaughtered on our own with no real purpose. We lost the war because we weren't fighting it for the reasons that we publicly stated we were. We never cared about the Vietnamese we just care about beating Russia and communism. But our involvement in this conflict ruined that country and it's still reeling to this day over what we did. Just look at all that birth defects of Vietnamese children caused by Agent Orange. We lost that war because we lost our morals. Kyle is just straight-up wrong. Just because you have the capabilities of wiping out an entire country and you don't doesn't mean you chose to lose the war most of the time destroying the whole country with Firepower is not the goal the problem with Vietnam is that somehow in the middle of all that we turned that into the goal it seems.
Have you been to Vietnam within the last 20 years? It's doing swimmingly
Can’t lose the war if you leave before it ends.
Marriage was another exemption
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Recognizing the US lost Vietnam doesnt make someone a Democrat lol
My grandfather got out of the war by being in college
We bombed north Vietnam. Lol