Answer: None of the above. 1. LC3 codec, which is introduced in BT 5.2 but the market is very slim for headphones that supports it. 2. AptX Low Latency codec, more common among headphones and Sennheiser HD 250BT are the cheapest. 3. FastStream codec, also a
I just wanna say thank you so much I’ve finally found the type of video that helps me make a decision on what headphones I’m gonna get. Scoured the internet for days and finally came across this. Appreciate your work 💖
Have bought Soundpeats Air 3 Pro, here's my verdict: Played PGR and Genshin on my Poco F3, the latency is definitely noticable and quite disturbing the gameplay. Turning on or off the "low latency" on Bluetooth setting doesn't change anything. Dunno whether it's the fault of the earphone, game or the phone itself. The bass also is pretty high for someone that like balanced audio like me. Even my Realme Buds Air Neo sounds better imo and sometimes have better latency though the battery definitely worse than Air 3 Pro. Kinda regret buying this tbh.
Yeah I guess it just depends on the supported codecs between the host/media device and wireless headphones. For now SBC is pretty great, but maybe AptX Adaptive optimizations as well as support will getting ubiquitous enough in coming years. 🤞 Any plans to test Low Complexity Communications Codec (LC3 aka "Bluetooth LE") at some point? Apparently it is a lot more energy efficient and can scale bitrate even better than SBC. It might even halve latency compared to current codecs from 160-480ms to 80-240ms.
based on my experience: 1. SBC lowest latency & lowest quality 2. AAC in the middle. So it's a so so 3. APT-X highest latency & highest sound quality 😅
Haha that used to be the case! Although the difference in sound quality is not as stark as the latency difference so for gaming I always ended up with SBC (to be honest I still don't perceive any substantial difference in sound quality across different codecs), but this last test really changed my view about aptX Adaptive!
Yeah SBC might not be technically best for those who can hear the difference in high bitrate or "lossless" audio, but IMO audio tuning and hardware audio drivers can generally makes a much bigger difference to the listening experience than bluetooth codecs (barring latency of course).
The difference in sound quality between the BT codecs is so small that is almost impossible to detect. You'll spend hours playing the same piece of track and still not be able to tell with accuracy which is which without guessing. 1. The sound quality gets literally destroyed when compressed for BT. What codec is being used, doesn't matter much. 2. The differences in sound quality that you hear between the BT codecs are mainly the different qualities of implementations because not every manufacturer implements all codecs with the same level of importance, even for the same product. 3. Even if the codecs are all implemented at the same quality, the manufacturer can set different sound profiles for each codec. Now with DSP is even easier. 4. Even if the manufacturer decides to implement them all at the best quality and keep them without changing their sound profiles and EQ, the LDAC codec will still sound different than the rest because LDAC does change the sound regardless of the manufacturer's decision. LDAC is a closed-source codec and no one can change anything about it except Sony. 5. Even when you manage to hear something, it can be an artifact or just a placebo in 99% of the cases. The bottom line is, don't stress about the BT codecs. They all suck at the moment when it comes to sound quality. The implementation matters a lot more than what codec is being used. Chose the BT codec depending on the fetures and end results rather than marketing BS and technicalities.
Quality wise: SBC-XQ (SBC dual channel) is same as Apt-X HD SBC is same as Apt-X AAC is useless. SBC-XQ uses 450 or 600 Kbps depending on your bluetooth transmitter. SBC uses 350 Kbps. If you have bad quality with SBC, it means your device uses ancient bluetooth drivers.
@@namedkenn ived tested may edifier tws1 pro in my Poco f3 that supports aptx adaptive it does sound good as my oppo a16 that only support aptx the sound of aptx in my oppo is much more puncher that aptx adaptive in my poco f3
Maybe you can do a comparison video on effect of ANC to Latency. I have compared mini pro and air3 pro and found air3 pro latency remains the same regardless ANC is active or not while latency on mini pro increase. Aptx low latency work just fine if you are not using tws. My neckband QCC5125 add about 70ms latency and no tws can come close. Too bad it does not have ANC and neckband earbuds has been superseded by TWS.
Hmmm just downloaded and tried, it cannot cancel the latency though. Bluetooth use a buffer size to pre-load the audio so the physically we cannot cancel the latency of bluetooth. We can watch video and listen to music without latency only because the audio is pre-loaded into the earphone. But the latency will be obvious when we are playing games, espectially rhythm games.
Regarding Mic Quality, can I use this Air3 pro as a substitute to 1more Comfobuds pro ? Watched your review about the 1more comfobuds but yeah functionality wise, I like the Air3 pro better. Your feedback would be a big help, thanks! :)
I am using black shark 4pro and black shark joybuds pro. Latency is highly noticeable regardless if gaming mode is on or not. However I didnt experience any latency mode when I switch the bluetooth audio aptx adaptive mode to low latency. Only problem is I need to manually turn "switch to latency mode" everytime I reconnect my earbuds. Can someone help me here?
I have airpods pro 2 usb C Using it on youtube on laptop working find Laptop 5.1 BT In game laptop sound from game is delayed like 500ms How to reduce it ? Buy any 5.3 bt for laptop will work?
Have you tried soundcore VR P10 yet? It says it supports both LC3 codec and 2.4GHz dongle. I wonder how the latency were performed in LC3 codec comparing to its 2.4GHz(w/ dongle)
@@__P__o__l__a__r yeah but it's 35ms to the phone (even if that's true). A lot of different earbuds promise a gaming mode that reduces latency to 40-60ms but it's all crap.
I am using black shark 4pro and black shark joybuds pro. Latency is highly noticeable regardless if gaming mode is on or not. However I didnt experience any latency mode when I switch the bluetooth audio aptx adaptive mode to low latency. Only problem is I need to manually turn "switch to latency mode" everytime I reconnect my earbuds. Can someone help me here?
I’m not sure at this point since I haven’t tested many other phones, but if you have it you might wanna be careful and try if it really does anything As for gaming mode it is on the earbuds side
Can you discuss the latest aptx technology of qualcomm, the aptx low latency? I've been reading about it lately. Still can't figure it out on what devices supports it, and if current devices that supports aptx codec also supports it. Qualcomm claims that you can get as low as 40ms latency with Aptx Low Latency. That's why I'm really curious about it. I hope you fulfill my request.
I read about Aptx Low Latency codec as early as 2019 but I still don't see anyone talking about it or any mainstream headphones being marketed with it.
soo all those ms numbers they say are lies? aptx adaptive 60ms is a lie? damn, can you put a nail in the coffin in bluetooth earphones for me please? can you test aptx low latency between two devices that support it so i can see if they true have 40ms or that is also a lie so i can finnaly give up on bluetooth and just stay with wired
It’s not a lie, but rather it’s only stating the bluetooth earbuds’ latency, not the phone hardware and software in total, which is what you see tested in all of my tests And as you can see ocassionally I do test wired and you might find some latency, that’s what I’m talking about, if let’s say we have 100ms latency on the phone and 60ms on the earbuds, that really adds up to 160ms which is some of the best gaming mode out there And one thing I wanted to add, even wired actually there could be some latency, but this varies from phone to another so I always try to keep testing with the same phone at least until I upgrade to a much better one, although on the iOS side I found the numbers to be more consistent across different models
For sure! Tons of iems both wired and wireless coming, I just need more than 24 hours a day and no sleep to get to them all 🤣 What's the iem you're looking forward to check out?
@@oofie4660 for me yeah, as long your phone's BT is 5.0 and up, paired with the TWS is also capable of BT 5.0 and up version. not really notable delay honestly. for samsung its really good if your using samsung phone + samsung galaxy buds. as for other BT codecs SBC with 5.0 and up AAC/aptx with Gaming mode.
It's funny that I can play games across the Atlantic with less latency than getting audio to my headphones
lol, good point
Tried that AptX Adaptive with my new Soundpeats Air 3 and my POCO X3 and it's great.
Answer: None of the above.
1. LC3 codec, which is introduced in BT 5.2 but the market is very slim for headphones that supports it.
2. AptX Low Latency codec, more common among headphones and Sennheiser HD 250BT are the cheapest.
3. FastStream codec, also a
I just wanna say thank you so much I’ve finally found the type of video that helps me make a decision on what headphones I’m gonna get. Scoured the internet for days and finally came across this. Appreciate your work 💖
Have bought Soundpeats Air 3 Pro, here's my verdict: Played PGR and Genshin on my Poco F3, the latency is definitely noticable and quite disturbing the gameplay. Turning on or off the "low latency" on Bluetooth setting doesn't change anything. Dunno whether it's the fault of the earphone, game or the phone itself. The bass also is pretty high for someone that like balanced audio like me. Even my Realme Buds Air Neo sounds better imo and sometimes have better latency though the battery definitely worse than Air 3 Pro. Kinda regret buying this tbh.
Must be bc of the phone, unfortunately
what logo appears on your bluetooth setting?
sbc/aptx/aptx hd?
use sbc
Yeah I guess it just depends on the supported codecs between the host/media device and wireless headphones. For now SBC is pretty great, but maybe AptX Adaptive optimizations as well as support will getting ubiquitous enough in coming years. 🤞
Any plans to test Low Complexity Communications Codec (LC3 aka "Bluetooth LE") at some point?
Apparently it is a lot more energy efficient and can scale bitrate even better than SBC. It might even halve latency compared to current codecs from 160-480ms to 80-240ms.
based on my experience:
1. SBC lowest latency & lowest quality
2. AAC in the middle. So it's a so so
3. APT-X highest latency & highest sound quality 😅
Haha that used to be the case! Although the difference in sound quality is not as stark as the latency difference so for gaming I always ended up with SBC (to be honest I still don't perceive any substantial difference in sound quality across different codecs), but this last test really changed my view about aptX Adaptive!
Yeah SBC might not be technically best for those who can hear the difference in high bitrate or "lossless" audio, but IMO audio tuning and hardware audio drivers can generally makes a much bigger difference to the listening experience than bluetooth codecs (barring latency of course).
The difference in sound quality between the BT codecs is so small that is almost impossible to detect. You'll spend hours playing the same piece of track and still not be able to tell with accuracy which is which without guessing.
1. The sound quality gets literally destroyed when compressed for BT. What codec is being used, doesn't matter much.
2. The differences in sound quality that you hear between the BT codecs are mainly the different qualities of implementations because not every manufacturer implements all codecs with the same level of importance, even for the same product.
3. Even if the codecs are all implemented at the same quality, the manufacturer can set different sound profiles for each codec. Now with DSP is even easier.
4. Even if the manufacturer decides to implement them all at the best quality and keep them without changing their sound profiles and EQ, the LDAC codec will still sound different than the rest because LDAC does change the sound regardless of the manufacturer's decision. LDAC is a closed-source codec and no one can change anything about it except Sony.
5. Even when you manage to hear something, it can be an artifact or just a placebo in 99% of the cases.
The bottom line is, don't stress about the BT codecs. They all suck at the moment when it comes to sound quality. The implementation matters a lot more than what codec is being used. Chose the BT codec depending on the fetures and end results rather than marketing BS and technicalities.
Quality wise:
SBC-XQ (SBC dual channel) is same as Apt-X HD
SBC is same as Apt-X
AAC is useless.
SBC-XQ uses 450 or 600 Kbps depending on your bluetooth transmitter.
SBC uses 350 Kbps.
If you have bad quality with SBC, it means your device uses ancient bluetooth drivers.
@@namedkenn ived tested may edifier tws1 pro in my Poco f3 that supports aptx adaptive it does sound good as my oppo a16 that only support aptx the sound of aptx in my oppo is much more puncher that aptx adaptive in my poco f3
Are you going to do a review on the soundpeats air3 pro ?
Hi ken... kindly advice which phone to get between f4 gt and oneplus 10 pro
Maybe you can do a comparison video on effect of ANC to Latency. I have compared mini pro and air3 pro and found air3 pro latency remains the same regardless ANC is active or not while latency on mini pro increase.
Aptx low latency work just fine if you are not using tws. My neckband QCC5125 add about 70ms latency and no tws can come close. Too bad it does not have ANC and neckband earbuds has been superseded by TWS.
Samsung has an option called Bluetooth Metronome, it really cancels latency on any Bluetooth device, but I feel like very few people know about it 🤔
Hmmm just downloaded and tried, it cannot cancel the latency though.
Bluetooth use a buffer size to pre-load the audio so the physically we cannot cancel the latency of bluetooth.
We can watch video and listen to music without latency only because the audio is pre-loaded into the earphone.
But the latency will be obvious when we are playing games, espectially rhythm games.
@fuuneaki8729 I just got a new pair of bluetooth headphones and I CAN'T play rhythm games with them
Regarding Mic Quality, can I use this Air3 pro as a substitute to 1more Comfobuds pro ? Watched your review about the 1more comfobuds but yeah functionality wise, I like the Air3 pro better. Your feedback would be a big help, thanks! :)
I am using black shark 4pro and black shark joybuds pro. Latency is highly noticeable regardless if gaming mode is on or not. However I didnt experience any latency mode when I switch the bluetooth audio aptx adaptive mode to low latency. Only problem is I need to manually turn "switch to latency mode" everytime I reconnect my earbuds. Can someone help me here?
Is aptx only for snapdragon chipset?
I have airpods pro 2 usb C
Using it on youtube on laptop working find
Laptop 5.1 BT
In game laptop sound from game is delayed like 500ms
How to reduce it ? Buy any 5.3 bt for laptop will work?
How about nimbus wimi4000 codec? I had lots of wimi4000 boards
Why is everything hot garbage in the bluetooth space? I have wireless USB headphones that don't use bluetooth from 7 years ago that get ~30ms. -_-
Have you tried soundcore VR P10 yet? It says it supports both LC3 codec and 2.4GHz dongle. I wonder how the latency were performed in LC3 codec comparing to its 2.4GHz(w/ dongle)
Video is coming next week! 👀
I have POCO X4 GT too i can't wait to buy this Bluetooth airbud to test mine
Haha links are in description if you wanna support the channel! It's a great pair of buds 💪🏻
Great video but which earbuds are the best for low latency?
the black shark lucifer t4 have 35ms latency
@@__P__o__l__a__r yeah but it's 35ms to the phone (even if that's true). A lot of different earbuds promise a gaming mode that reduces latency to 40-60ms but it's all crap.
@@marinebymistake You're rigth the quality from the sound in the gaming 35ms mode is bad but the sound in the 45ms mode is really good in my opinion
I am using black shark 4pro and black shark joybuds pro. Latency is highly noticeable regardless if gaming mode is on or not. However I didnt experience any latency mode when I switch the bluetooth audio aptx adaptive mode to low latency. Only problem is I need to manually turn "switch to latency mode" everytime I reconnect my earbuds. Can someone help me here?
Bro did u already try oraimo Airbuds 3?
whats with aptx low latency codec?
If I use Haylou W1 with Xiaomi 11t pro, latency will be 150 ms?
W1 not have a gaming mode.
I don't think so
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whats low latency phone mode and gaming mode? is that a POCO-only thing?
I’m not sure at this point since I haven’t tested many other phones, but if you have it you might wanna be careful and try if it really does anything
As for gaming mode it is on the earbuds side
Kenneth, this might not be in-topic but you look like an Asian verision of Jacob Coller.
Can you discuss the latest aptx technology of qualcomm, the aptx low latency?
I've been reading about it lately. Still can't figure it out on what devices supports it, and if current devices that supports aptx codec also supports it.
Qualcomm claims that you can get as low as 40ms latency with Aptx Low Latency. That's why I'm really curious about it. I hope you fulfill my request.
I read about Aptx Low Latency codec as early as 2019 but I still don't see anyone talking about it or any mainstream headphones being marketed with it.
new technology is coming 👀
Does this still apply to the new MIUI 13.0.6 update?
Lately the updates has always been only security updates so yeah I think it'll be the same
Aptx Adaptive vs Aptx LL
i watch this to see what earphone to buy for low latency and now im more confuse fcking hell
Try realme buds air 3
soo all those ms numbers they say are lies? aptx adaptive 60ms is a lie? damn, can you put a nail in the coffin in bluetooth earphones for me please? can you test aptx low latency between two devices that support it so i can see if they true have 40ms or that is also a lie so i can finnaly give up on bluetooth and just stay with wired
It’s not a lie, but rather it’s only stating the bluetooth earbuds’ latency, not the phone hardware and software in total, which is what you see tested in all of my tests
And as you can see ocassionally I do test wired and you might find some latency, that’s what I’m talking about, if let’s say we have 100ms latency on the phone and 60ms on the earbuds, that really adds up to 160ms which is some of the best gaming mode out there
And one thing I wanted to add, even wired actually there could be some latency, but this varies from phone to another so I always try to keep testing with the same phone at least until I upgrade to a much better one, although on the iOS side I found the numbers to be more consistent across different models
will you do more iem content?
For sure! Tons of iems both wired and wireless coming, I just need more than 24 hours a day and no sleep to get to them all 🤣
What's the iem you're looking forward to check out?
@@namedkenn oh great hahahahha probably the aria snow edition?
@@kaitoukid6856 hahahah one thing I can say that's one of the things I'm testing! 😁
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This is i only use tws when playing games like gatcha games, but not for fps or moba or rhythm game.
Also for music, and watching videos in yt.
Hi, is Air 3 Pro acceptable to be used when playing Genshin? Any noticeable audio lag?
@@oofie4660 for me yeah, as long your phone's BT is 5.0 and up, paired with the TWS is also capable of BT 5.0 and up version. not really notable delay honestly.
for samsung its really good if your using samsung phone + samsung galaxy buds.
as for other BT codecs
SBC with 5.0 and up
AAC/aptx with Gaming mode.
Does this also apply on Poco f3?
I believe as long as you have the low latency option, best to keep it off unless you really feel the improvement
OPUS is the way.
hot
aptX LL
Yep but rarely see them in TWS earbuds yeah? Also looks like the latency is about the same as the best SBC in gaming mode
Thank you, Kenn.
You are very welcome Eleanor 😁
looking for your "lowest latency tws earbuds for Android 2022" 🥹
That needs a bit more testing but for now this is actually a great choice!