hi, great video. if that was my loco i would be a bit reluctant to take it up that hill, these locos are getting on now and costs must be massive to keep them going
It does make one wonder if generator coaches had been used on BR as they were in Ireland, how much longer 52's could have lasted as they would have been able to haul air conditioned stock as seen in this video.
I suspect that they would still have been scrapped at exactly the same timescale. They weren't exactly paragons of reliabilty & they were non-standard.... The immediate availability of 50 Class 50's displaced due to the electrification of the West Coast Main Line meant that there was a readily available pool of newer diesel-electric locomotives with a vastly superior performance to replace the very tired class 52 diesel-hydraulics, & they also had ETH, so no generator vans necessary... mind you, the class 50's weren't fabulously reliable either, as I was to find out many years later when the class 50 I was driving faIled at Llanishen with a busy Valley Lines rush hour commuter train, just one of many failures... I wasn't a great fan of class 50's. Now happily retired...
Many thanks Liam. Minimal zooming makes for an impressive video at an iconic location. A good effort by the Western with a heavy load. From memory the Peaks on regular scheduled services back in the day managed about the same speed but usually with only 8 or 9 coaches.
Thanks mate! Don’t always need to go for the long zoom, you get a feel of just exactly how hard the locomotive is having to work on the approach to me. 45118 has ago saturday
@Lewis25. Sounds like you're too young to understand about the Western Region, their love of their diesel-hydraulics, and aversion to have diesel-electrics foisted on them.... We loved our Warships, Westerns, Hymeks; even the class 14 Teddy Bears; We were Western Region, we did things our way and we were not going to accept being told to standardise. The class 47s were barely tolerated, the few class 31s that coughed their way towards Paddington were loathed. What we thought of the class 50s usurping the Westerns in 1970s isn't fit to repeat... I'm sure the 57 did an excellent job with the electrics, but Westerns NEVER needed a push...!
Im too young to remember them. but looking at the specs.....they were built for taking heavy loads up gradients with its high continuous tractive effort, much higher in comparison to its replacements. Sounds amazing. Shame they didn't preserve the Falcon....another powerfull locomotive.
As I keep mentioning in such channels the DB class 218 diesel locos built from 1969 onwards to 1979 use similar engines from MTU and many are still running on IRE duites till this day. I wonder why??
RUBBISH! The Westerns were built in the time of Maybach-Motorenbau GmbH. MTU did not become the trading name until 1969. You might as well call them Rolls-Royce given their current ownership.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf You might be able to answer something i was wondering, railtour companies have been saying the Western is being limited to 75 given the problems they have had with the engines. Having travelled behind D1015 several times over the years, I travelled on the recent trip to the East Somerset railway which was a relatively light loading and it didn't feel as if it was being driven at full power. We did reach about 85 a few times but only downhill. On previous trips it has easily got into the high 90s on the level, with a heavier train. If the top notch or two are indeed not being used that would explain its ponderous ascent of the Lickey here (I appreciate there was a dead weight on the back but that is not unusual).
@@RobertMunsterLBR No, still 90mph for the 52. The one thing that we drivers have been told is to stop the F1 style departures, and to ease the power in gradually. End of the day the loco is 63 years old with spares not as easy to come by now plus the costs involved each time major engine work is required. Everyone should be thankful the owners allow the loco to run mainline and should enjoy it each time the Wizzo is out and about. It is a fantastic machine to drive for sure and a welcome change from the diesel electrics of everyday life. JG.
Funny that the little sister the Hymeks successfully worked the Lickey in pairs without bankers but had to lose first gear to be able to descend, in short the 52 is just a pair of Hymeks in one housing so should have had no trouble if for the dead weight of the grid running at the end :S
I Like It! (With apologies to Gerry and the Pacemakers, who were big when these engines were still being built...) Westerns and Deltics did much to help "modern" traction get accepted by rail enthusiasts.
Too many shots of the camera being pointed at a station roof or tree line and then a sudden movement of the camera as train approaches. Can’t the shot be prepped in advance or am I missing something here ?
57 was just powering up as it passed, but that's equivalent to at least 14 coaches without any assistance
She’d managed halfway up under her own power!!
Impressive to say how old she is!
hi, great video. if that was my loco i would be a bit reluctant to take it up that hill, these locos are getting on now and costs must be massive to keep them going
BLS Bloody Lovely Sound
Great to hear the 57 giving it the beans too.
What a noise! Just wow 😮
It does make one wonder if generator coaches had been used on BR as they were in Ireland, how much longer 52's could have lasted as they would have been able to haul air conditioned stock as seen in this video.
I suspect that they would still have been scrapped at exactly the same timescale. They weren't exactly paragons of reliabilty & they were non-standard.... The immediate availability of 50 Class 50's displaced due to the electrification of the West Coast Main Line meant that there was a readily available pool of newer diesel-electric locomotives with a vastly superior performance to replace the very tired class 52 diesel-hydraulics, & they also had ETH, so no generator vans necessary... mind you, the class 50's weren't fabulously reliable either, as I was to find out many years later when the class 50 I was driving faIled at Llanishen with a busy Valley Lines rush hour commuter train, just one of many failures... I wasn't a great fan of class 50's. Now happily retired...
@@bigcasey4143didn’t realise they used 50’s on that route,just remember the 37’s
Nice video.Greetings from Italy.
Fantastic filming!
@@Western-Ranger. thank you for watching!
Great video, the Maybach sounds good.
Thank you!
Great Video mate. It was good to see the Western Back on the mainline and it was great to Catch up again at vigo.
Regards, James.
Nice one James good to catch up againn!!
Many thanks Liam. Minimal zooming makes for an impressive video at an iconic location. A good effort by the Western with a heavy load. From memory the Peaks on regular scheduled services back in the day managed about the same speed but usually with only 8 or 9 coaches.
Thanks mate!
Don’t always need to go for the long zoom, you get a feel of just exactly how hard the locomotive is having to work on the approach to me.
45118 has ago saturday
Liam, Good to see you again and it looked a bit of a struggle up the bank but nicely captured. Regards, John
Thank you john, was great catching up with you mate at stourbridge.
She almost made it to the top bless her.
Old loco western champ is
Liam
Probably wouldn't have been a struggle if that blasted 57 hadn't been dragging it back...
Fine Maybach music; takes me back 50yrs, that does.
@Lewis25. Sounds like you're too young to understand about the Western Region, their love of their diesel-hydraulics, and aversion to have diesel-electrics foisted on them....
We loved our Warships, Westerns, Hymeks; even the class 14 Teddy Bears; We were Western Region, we did things our way and we were not going to accept being told to standardise. The class 47s were barely tolerated, the few class 31s that coughed their way towards Paddington were loathed. What we thought of the class 50s usurping the Westerns in 1970s isn't fit to repeat...
I'm sure the 57 did an excellent job with the electrics, but Westerns NEVER needed a push...!
Im too young to remember them. but looking at the specs.....they were built for taking heavy loads up gradients with its high continuous tractive effort, much higher in comparison to its replacements. Sounds amazing. Shame they didn't preserve the Falcon....another powerfull locomotive.
Very melodic, but with respect, not a patch on twin Napiers in a Deltic!
But feel the tractive effort!
hellfire ! 2 MTU538's to be technically correct at fullish chat, but don't tell anyone
Thanks Gary!
Shes a strong old girl I tell you!
Nearly done it all on her own
Regards, Liam
As I keep mentioning in such channels the DB class 218 diesel locos built from 1969 onwards to 1979 use similar engines from MTU and many are still running on IRE duites till this day. I wonder why??
RUBBISH! The Westerns were built in the time of Maybach-Motorenbau GmbH. MTU did not become the trading name until 1969. You might as well call them Rolls-Royce given their current ownership.
Sound like the 57 was helping on on the bank Liam, super video from you.
57 was dead on the rear until it cleared vigo.
The whizzo took the whole train on her own half the way up.
Superb sound :)
57 assisted from Vigo bridge. The 52 made a valiant climb from a standing start at Bromsgrove. Superb loco to drive(which I will be soon). JG.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf
You might be able to answer something i was wondering, railtour companies have been saying the Western is being limited to 75 given the problems they have had with the engines. Having travelled behind D1015 several times over the years, I travelled on the recent trip to the East Somerset railway which was a relatively light loading and it didn't feel as if it was being driven at full power. We did reach about 85 a few times but only downhill. On previous trips it has easily got into the high 90s on the level, with a heavier train. If the top notch or two are indeed not being used that would explain its ponderous ascent of the Lickey here (I appreciate there was a dead weight on the back but that is not unusual).
@@RobertMunsterLBR No, still 90mph for the 52. The one thing that we drivers have been told is to stop the F1 style departures, and to ease the power in gradually. End of the day the loco is 63 years old with spares not as easy to come by now plus the costs involved each time major engine work is required. Everyone should be thankful the owners allow the loco to run mainline and should enjoy it each time the Wizzo is out and about. It is a fantastic machine to drive for sure and a welcome change from the diesel electrics of everyday life. JG.
Nice I Love Thad Loco Sound 😀
I’ve just stimmed watching this!
Two excellent clips there, well filmed :)
Thank you!
Illustrates how impressive an HST was over the bank at about 70mph albeit with a run up.
Funny that the little sister the Hymeks successfully worked the Lickey in pairs without bankers but had to lose first gear to be able to descend, in short the 52 is just a pair of Hymeks in one housing so should have had no trouble if for the dead weight of the grid running at the end :S
I Like It! (With apologies to Gerry and the Pacemakers, who were big when these engines were still being built...) Westerns and Deltics did much to help "modern" traction get accepted by rail enthusiasts.
Nice bit of clag at the Junction!! Hard work up the Lickey though.
She worked damn hard going up the lickey!
Took the coaches and the 57 on her own until vigo.
Powerful things
Too many shots of the camera being pointed at a station roof or tree line and then a sudden movement of the camera as train approaches. Can’t the shot be prepped in advance or am I missing something here ?
What station is that at the beginning, I can’t quite make it out?
Where's Big Bertha?
I assume horn at about 5:40 was to to tell 57 to start pushing?
No mate. 57 only started pushing once it cleared the crossing, you hear the engine power up.
Liam
I think it was for me and my mate who were slightly further down the bank
@@JosephMartin-Smith-fq8gm shame I didn’t catch you mate for a catch up.
I’ll see ya on the valley soon no doubt
@@LiamsLocos Cheers for that
On the one occasion I've had had D1015 on the mainline I wasn't impressed by its hillclimbing. Looks like it hasn't improved!
Was this a load test?
Railtour
Nice video Liam :)
Thank you
I think network rail needs to do a bit of track gardening! Pretty poor image in the opening shot
My local station mate. In the summer the vegitation is bad in the summer.
Its stourbridge junction.
That took its time.
She certainly struggled mate
@@LiamsLocoseven though I’m not a fan of diesels it’s a credit to all
Involved
All i heard was a buch of little rats fusin with each other
Sounds agricultural to me! The 57 at the rear sounded better.
Boots are offering free hearing tests.
5000hp between you. What kept you ?😂
The class 57 did not give D1015 any assistance until it was at the crossing where it was being filmed.
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