ChefZack X Good. But did you know, there is _actually_ a thing called *irony,* and there are a number of ways to employ it, ranging from _wry_ and _sardonic_ all the way to _incredibly_ obvious and _completely_ absurd?
I highly disagree with the Insta-Shield placement, for one major reason: it absolutely decimates bosses. The invincibility frames and extra range completely nuke pretty much every boss in the game. Plus, you can easily defeat enemies like Orbinauts with no issue. It goes in A-tier for me.
The Insta-shield is a pretty fun and unique power. That part of me so wish it was back in 3d games. I do see why that's not really possible, and the problem/downside mostly comes from the range. Like it's almost non-existent. Tho I do remember a fan-game Sonic Island which induce the idea of bringing it back and it was made more suitable for it. Almost like a AOE kind of attack.
I feel like the insta shield is only really useful/fun in Sonic 3 where there are a lot more spike enemies and projectiles. Playing with it in Mania isn't as interesting because it isn't as applicable
@@Chaos.A Yeah, it's a really fun ability in Sonic 3 because the game was built around being able to use it if you're skilled enough. That doesn't translate well in games that aren't designed with that ability in mind.
@@melon6444 Yeah. That's why I put it at A-tier and, in hindsight, could fit into high B-tier. It's pretty much useless in the Advance games. It's still fun to use in Generations and Mania, but those games clearly weren't designed around it like 3 was. Also, fun fact: Mania didn't even have the extra range until update 1.04 (the one that added the Plus features and revamped the menu).
@@richardpires5063 Because that time was spent designing entirely new characters, new items, new modes, etc. A mod like Project M can take the time to rework Sonic, because their goal is to just rework characters. They don’t have to build a new engine, or any of that. They’re also not working with deadlines.
18:25 so if you put Sonic in a microwave and turned it on, he'd instantly start healing? Wow, microwaves can do anything - charge your iphone, warm your chili dog and heal your hedgehog.
His power to make people negative is the most powerful weapon that he gained in the 2010s. F tier for fun factor, but SSSS tier for utility and lorepower.
@@VirtuousAezon Sonic 06 was just a single bad game, it may have permanently worsened the franchise's reputation but it didn't single handedly ruin the franchise's characters and stories like the 2010's writing did
The team blast also has an extra effect afterwards. For Team Sonic, Sonic's homing attack and Tails' Thunder shoot is powered up for a few seconds. Team Dark stops time (probably the worst one honestly because it also stops the level so doors and fans wont work until the effect is over) Team rose, gets a level up, invincibility and shield and Team Chaotix get rings from the enemies they kill during the Blast.
The move by Team Dark is called Chaos Inferno and it doesn't just stop time, Omega gains magenta lasers and so wipes all enemies, it's a powerful move and those lasers are uncontrollable because Omega is tapping into the power of the Chaos Emeralds and so just imagine what it would feel like to fire a large beam of energy because these have alot of recoil, it's called a Chaos Power as the wikia lists many and that term fits it perfectly, easy to remember and understand.
The insta-shield extends sonic's hitbox though, so I think it should move up a few tiers. You can cheese a lot of bosses in S3&K because of it. It also increases the effectiveness of badnik bouncing
He makes the insta shield a defense mechanism but it’s so much more it has increased range and it makes sonic able to get through enemy defenses without getting harmed. It is essentially without alternative sources of strength one of the best attacks it’s super helpful and I so wish it was held on for one more classic game
We also could have had an alternative reality where sonic 0’6 and rise of lyric weren’t rushed and colours and generation’s writing would have been as good as the gameplay.
Here's a tip: you can turn the Peel Out into some sort of super Spin Dash by immediately pushing down once you let it go. Don't hold the direction while using it, because running in Sonic 1 (and CD I think) has a strict speed limit that the game slows you to if you're pushing the pad to run.
You missed the gravity control ring power up from Sonic Riders Zero Gravity, something that can easily be an *S* tier. As long as Sonic has enough speed to gather air he can freely manipulate gravity and he can turn any object around him into a weapon and turn himself into a weapon on the same level as super sonic, as long as he has over 100 rings he can stop gravity and use the object attack quite a large number of times and he can turn himself into a weapon for nearly a minute straight. But not having any rings at all doesn't matter because the power is unconnected to rings with rings only bossing the amount of time you can use the manipulation. And all that to say as long as he is going fast to collect air this gravity manipulation is freely recharged.
Ark of the Cosmos and Gravity Bands (for those who dont possess an AOTC), Gravity Control is an ability because there's also Gravity Dive and Gravity Ring, you can use GC when moving towards the GR and enter Gravity Dive but it's also like Meteor Burst, I found out you can use GC to instantly enter GD/MB when entering these Rings and it's on one of my videos.
@@mnew4325 If we're gonna speak of the story, it's so good and Knuckles has his moment to shine in the second game, they literally had him leading his allies to Gigan Rocks and helps decipher the ancient inscription, I really miss that tbh.
It's not Air, it's Gravity Points which is Gravitational and Kinetic Energy that the Bands use to convert into Power, Wave even explains this in one of the cutscenes.
I really like how Sonic can use the Pico Hammer when teamed up with Amy in Sonic Advance 3. If you pair them together it is called "Lovely Couple" and Amy has hearts around her while following Sonic and standing still.
@@AK46supr spindashing isn’t the same as rolling. And as much as I love those games for having slope physics, it’s not used nearly as much. Rolling should replace dash pads.
@@calistusjay60 but you can roll down the slopes in both adventure games and gain speed. No it isnt as wide and open like GT. But it is there is all im sayin. So it has been in 3D sonic
Insta-shield is definitely one of my favorites. It's overpowered, and it's sometimes difficult to use, but that's rare. Sure, sometimes you forget it, but eventually you get used to it, and it's so op...
Why have Wisps when you can actually use Sonic's friends as playable characters instead? Why have the OC when you can actually use Sonic's friends as playable characters instead? I miss Sonic's friends...
@Xavior a power-up is something that helps you beat a level, much like the Elemental Shields of yore, though they are not necessary to beating a stage. But when you need to use Wisps to clear a stage, it feels more like a gimmick rather than a power-up, or that's how I see it. Plus there's no real narrative reasoning for them to continue to be around as apposed to say the Chao, who actually live on the same planet as Sonic, unlike the Wisps. Ah, Chao, now there's another long forgotten thing from the games...
@Xavior what am i playing again sonic or mario mario uses power-ups sonic does not even lizuka said we wanted sonic to have power-up like mario they even said lost world was made for nintendo fans so 2010s are mario stories for sonic mario power-up for sonic and zavok and other like mario stop being like mario more important THE STORY must be amazing action not mario like childish and if see lizuka say the next sonic games lost world 2 cuz of nintendo fans then you know what sonic fans are going to say to lizuka
@@fazelfarrokhi1998 I feel that faker, Classic, is pretty much like trying to turn what Sonic used to be like into Mario, which makes him come across as more of a bad tribute act when compared to the real thing. Especially when you consider he's a mute with barely enough personality to fill a sandwich, but yet somehow Classic Tails can talk...? How does that work? Plus Sonic has spoken during the 16 bit era, as seen with Sonic CD. So again, not sure where they got the idea Classic must be silent when he never has been ua-cam.com/video/jR98zOj0yiw/v-deo.html
Something to note: The Light Speed Attack usually works better if you're moving in the direction of the enemy, as it affects the movement of Sonic just enough to properly hit enemies consistently
I made the tier list template publicly available and put the link in the description. Make your own tier list and send it in our Discord server! (Link also in the description)
I never expected you to rank double boost in A tier, for me it's a mediocre C tier for how strong it is in terms of the story, but also how flawed it is in terms of gameplay
11:58 This is pretty obscure, but it was mapped to a single button in Sonic Heroes. After performing a Team Blast in Sonic Heroes as Team Sonic, using an attack that involves Sonic like Tails’ Thunder Shoot or Knuckles’ Fire Dunk or inputting a tornado attack near an enemy as Sonic, Sonic will light speed attack all of the enemies in his range. It helps for clearing another wave of enemies that you’d encounter after the wave you just used it on, like in Robot Carnival and Robot Storm. In Heroes, I’d put Light-Speed Attack in B Tier
The sad thing for the double boost is, it doesn't matter if you keep spamming the button it's still going to activate the attack no matter what because that's what the game creators want to have, working along with Sonic
If we could combine the depth of rail grinding from SA2, with the more reliable additions of easy rail switching (from Shadow onwards) and being able to homing attack towards a rail, that'd be freakin great. Though you would have to make the crouch a bit more manageable. I could never get it right unless it was a straight way down.
Personally, I wish rail grinding worked more the way it does in Tony Hawk (or even Jet Set Radio). What I mean is, rails in Sonic games have gradually just become little set paths that you transfer back and forth from. What I want is for Sonic to use the ENVIRONMENT to parkour around, not just go into "ride rail mode" and sit passively while he waits to rech the other end. In my dream game, Sonic would see grindable surfaces everywhere. Going downstairs? You could always roll down the steps, but if there's a handrail going down the side Sonic could grind it like a skateboarder would. Or say there's just a long bench, or an above-ground flower bed or something. Holding a button could send Sonic grinding down the edge like in Tony Hawk, preserving his momentum and playing in moret o the premise that Sonic views the world like an oversized playground. I dunno, grinding in its current form is awesome, don't get me wrong. I just want it utilized more often (and more organically) than it generally is.
While I'm not good at it, I love the Insta-Shield purely because it raises the skill ceiling for the games it is in. The better reaction time you have, the safer you are as Sonic, and I think that thematically that is exactly what Sonic should be like.
@@chaomix You missed the overpowered version of the spindash.. It's *Spamdash* By repeatedly spamming action button you can perform pretty quick spindash without ever stopping. Spamdash - A tier
I learned this about a year ago, but Sonic Heroes actually does have SA2's rail grinding mechanics! If you hold the B button down, they'll crouch on the rail, and you'll have to balance the characters to maintain the absolutely insane amounts of speed that you gain. It can be pretty tough to balance though, especially in some of Rail Canyon/Bullet Station's Picasso-ass rail segments. It makes dodging the last laser on Final Fortress a breeze.
Secret Tip for Rail Grinding in Sonic Heroes... You actually do gain speed for holding the B button, not mashing it. It's actually wildly fast. I didn't discover that myself until I 100%'d the game last year and learned how to properly dodge the laser cannons of Final Fortress.
Considering how the power of friendship/teamwork was used to get past obstacles in forces, Team Racing, and heck SA1 demonstrated it. If that isn't a sign of infinite meta-physical power source in this franchise I don't know what is.
It's nice to come back to this video. Chaomix:"And the drop dash should show up in future games and even the 3d ones". And now,we can drop dash in Sonic Frontiers. By the way,Love your videos! Keep up the good work Chaomix👍!!!
Watched it from start to finish. You've delivered plenty of fantastic videos, but this one takes the cake just for the enormous time and effort that clearly went into this. It was a pleasure to be of aid with making this. Keep it up! *Blue Blurs for Life!*
33:06 Little aside on the Blue Cube, it also makes Sonic invincible. Sure you still take recoil and lose rings, but if you get hit while it's active and have no rings, Sonic doesn't die.
That claim isn't actually too outrageous, the "sneeze" is actually a scrapped ability called "Sonic Sense". A bit like Spidey Sense with Spiderman, Sonic sneezes whenever he senses danger.
The only time I've ever had use out of the Light Speed Attack was with that one Artificial Chaos enemy in Crazy Gadget that spawned a fuckton of mini-ACs. That was so satisfying to use.
I know I'm super late but something you forgot to mention about Sonic Heroes is how you can use the Light Speed Attack after doing a Team Blast. after you use it the Team Blast bar will slowly drain, but while it drains you can use an instant Light Speed Attack as Sonic by just pressing B mid-air. idk if this would affect the Team Blast or the Light Speed Dash's position though
Now that we got all of the all moves from the games, we need a tier list for the Sonic comics. Some of the things Sonic is capable of in that medium, especially in the Archie comics, are completely insane. I would love to see someone do a teir list of those abilities.
Alf layla-wa-layla is just the translation of "thousand and one" nights in my language (arabic)which obviously references to the 1001 nights stories. Don't worry I myself had trouble spelling t.
21:27 Correction: This transformation requires the Dark Fake Emeralds. They will increase Sonic's negative emotion until he gets consumed and then turns into Dark Sonic. The Fake Emeralds are said even by their own creator to be inferior to the Chaos Emeralds, and are only used to power machines. With that mind, the form is weaker than Super Sonic. Still, he defeated with not much trouble two robots that have equivalent status of Sonic's base form, so he is still a good boost. Still deserved B tier despite all that.
Magic gloves are wierd but can be useful for getting rid an annoying enemy from a distance. City escape has a beetle drone with an electric shield that blocks the stairs at a certain spot. Magic gloves get rid of that enemy so I don’t have to wait for his shield to drop. It’s also how you’re supposed to defeat an artificial chaos floating over a bottomless pit in cannon’s core.
8:10 20 years old, 20 years playing sonic 3 e knuckles, 20 years having this as my favorite game of all time only now i know the insta shield is not just a visual effect
Fun fact: Hyper Sonic is a fusion of the S3&K Shield Abilities. The directional jumps are based on the mobility each shield gives, mainly behaving like the Flame Shield, the lack of drowning is from the bubble shield, and the screen nuke... is actually from the thunder shield, when entering water! It's a interesting detail that I don't think enough people notice!
The Super Emeralds are either recharging or non-canon. Either way, imagine how powerful Sonic would be in Hyper form now that he knows so much more about Chaose Energy and Chaos Control.
The super emeralds were added for the people who bought sonic and knuckles after beating sonic 3 as a "thank you for buying both halfs of the story enjoy this op ability as your reward" which is pretty creative but im not sure about them being cannon despite them being refrenced in mania.. maybe you have a point with the recharging maybe sonic just never thought to bring the chaos emeralds back to the master emerald to super charge them again... or maybe he has ptsd of the blue spheres special stage lmao
The Super Peelout has an upside of instantly taking you to top speed and being able to maintain it. If you spindash on a flat plain that speed is going to quickly run out. This doesn't apply to the peelout
“Be sure to Subscribe to avoid being sent straight to the F Tier.” Bro, I’m already F tier IRL. Getting that in one of your videos let alone an appearance at all would easily be one of my biggest achievements to date.
Small note : Hyper sonic is actually canon to the main timeline the reason we haven't seen it again after sonic 3 & knuckles is because of how powerful that form was. there has been no enemy so far that super sonic couldn't handle on his own (aside from egg wizard)
One thing you got wrong about Dark Sonic: It's not just caused by the anger Sonic had, it's also caused by the fake Chaos Emeralds that was in that episode.
It's only really faster than the Spin Dash overall if you're playing the original release of Sonic CD, where the Spin Dash is not really fun to use, because it takes like 3 or 4 full seconds to charge up, unlike Sonic 2, 3, and pretty much any other 2D game with the ability, where you can charge it up faster. In the Taxman version, they give you the option to use the Sonic 2 spindash which is infinitely better.
Something I found while playing Sonic Heroes is that the railgrinding mechanic does actually function very similarily as in SA2. Holding the crouch button instead of spamming it while going down a rail will net you higher speeds and you also still need to balance to go faster. Spamming the crouch button only really helps when grinding on level rails. It doesn't really change the tier list, I just thought it was a lesser known fact about grinding in Sonic Heroes and wanted to share my findings (after Sonic Heroes, however, spamming is the only viable option for gaining speed)
Yeah, this is true and something I learned about over a decade of originally owning the game. Shame that the game doesn't do a decent job at teaching this at all, since not knowing about the balancing mechanism was the reason why I used to hate Rail Canyon and similar stages.
@@QwerpOS agreed, it is also the reason I would never finish the game because of the last laser in Egg Fortress which always seemed to hit me, because I lost so much speed while spamming. The first time I held crouch, that level was a cakewalk
Homing and spin dash not being S tier feels like a crime Glad to see some Hyper Sonic love, though! Wish Sega would try to find a way to bring it back…
Sorry, just wanna ask: Being as unbiased as possible, wouldn't hover wisp be ranked closer to the light speed dash? (Same for pink/spike and spin dashing, only I'd actually argue it's better than the OG move)
I've been playing Sonic 3 since release day. Insta shield would have easily been F tier for me when I was a kid. It wasn't until this year I even learned that the insta shield could deflect projectiles or phase through spiked enemies to destroy them. Now, it's straight up S tier just for the satisfaction I get every time I successfully pull it off. It might not be as flashy as some other abilities, but the fact that it's so skill based makes it the most rewarding.
The peel out, although still not super amazing, does have an advantage you didn't seem to notice. Where as when you spindash, the ability ends as soon as you jump / leave the ground. After doing a peel out, as long as you keep the input held down and don't have to stop, the ability continues and you can just keep going with max speed.
Insta-Shield should at least be A tier, it can dodge most attack be used to defeat some enemies without taking damage, it can help you to defeat bosses, it is pretty easy to get the timing down, and it can be very satisfying to use. If you can count the times you've purposely used it on your hands, then in my eyes, you're playing the game wrong.
aside from game limitations, if sonic uses asteroid or void he can basically destroy ANYTHING in his way realistically, he basically transforms anything into matter with asteroid and straight up vaporizes anything with void
I feel like it would be a good idea in the future games to make it so that whenever you stomp/bounce down, Sonic's trajectory is slightly homed in on any rails below him, if there are any. That would be a good balance of not getting forcefully sucked onto rail during normal gameplay, while also giving the player the ability to stick the landing on the rails which can be very inconsistent
5:56 I'm pretty sure the SPO is made to be chained into a roll in situations where the Spindash isn't an option due to topography. 27:20 (Ahl-ph Leh-la Wah Leh-la) 36:00 By the way, you missed a couple names, and the Alternate Team Blast in Heroes, which by the way, all Team Blasts have specific Names. Sonic Overdrive and Super Sonic Power are the two that Sonic Team has. You also didn't add the Hyper Flash as a seperate ability from Hyper Sonic despite the form and attack being seperate abilities. There are some other niche abilities that would go as powered up versions of other abilities on the list, such as Turbo Boost.
He did, and thank god I wasn't the only one who realized, been looking through so many comments. Mans brought in so many random abilities and forgot one of the essentials.
Yes I know. Super emeralds, NOT Hyper emeralds. I’ve gotten like 50 comments about this correcting me lmao 😂
I was about to comment that lol
But did you know, they are _actually_ called the *Super* Emeralds, NOT the *Hyper* Emeralds?
what about all Sonics moves from Chronicles
ChefZack X
But did he know, they are _actually_ called the *Super* Emeralds, NOT the *Hyper* Emeralds?
ChefZack X
Good. But did you know, there is _actually_ a thing called *irony,* and there are a number of ways to employ it, ranging from _wry_ and _sardonic_ all the way to _incredibly_ obvious and _completely_ absurd?
I highly disagree with the Insta-Shield placement, for one major reason: it absolutely decimates bosses. The invincibility frames and extra range completely nuke pretty much every boss in the game. Plus, you can easily defeat enemies like Orbinauts with no issue. It goes in A-tier for me.
Yeah, the instashield really helps, especially with all of the enemies with spikes and quick projectiles in the game
The Insta-shield is a pretty fun and unique power. That part of me so wish it was back in 3d games. I do see why that's not really possible, and the problem/downside mostly comes from the range. Like it's almost non-existent. Tho I do remember a fan-game Sonic Island which induce the idea of bringing it back and it was made more suitable for it. Almost like a AOE kind of attack.
I feel like the insta shield is only really useful/fun in Sonic 3 where there are a lot more spike enemies and projectiles. Playing with it in Mania isn't as interesting because it isn't as applicable
@@Chaos.A Yeah, it's a really fun ability in Sonic 3 because the game was built around being able to use it if you're skilled enough. That doesn't translate well in games that aren't designed with that ability in mind.
@@melon6444 Yeah. That's why I put it at A-tier and, in hindsight, could fit into high B-tier. It's pretty much useless in the Advance games. It's still fun to use in Generations and Mania, but those games clearly weren't designed around it like 3 was. Also, fun fact: Mania didn't even have the extra range until update 1.04 (the one that added the Plus features and revamped the menu).
Sonic - has lots of moves
Sakurai - "Sonic just rolls into a ball, right?"
That is what he essentially does for all of these moves aside from the Boost and the various movement abstractions.
More like
Executives: Put Sonic in the game.
Sakurai: We have like six months of dev time left!!
Executives: Did I fucking stutter?
@@CoralCopperHead then why wasnt his moveset redone alreddy
@@richardpires5063 Because that time was spent designing entirely new characters, new items, new modes, etc. A mod like Project M can take the time to rework Sonic, because their goal is to just rework characters. They don’t have to build a new engine, or any of that. They’re also not working with deadlines.
@@CoralCopperHead Uh oh, gotta speed up!
"Sonic can run and jump."
Sonic Labyrinth: "Am I a joke to you?"
Everyone: "Yes."
Yes, yes you are.
Yeah it is a joke and will forever be a joke
It is an absolute joke.
Sonic labyrinth is not a joke. It’s the entire circus!😂😂
Still a better experience than Shadow or Forces.
18:25 so if you put Sonic in a microwave and turned it on, he'd instantly start healing?
Wow, microwaves can do anything - charge your iphone, warm your chili dog and heal your hedgehog.
Mmmm idk, that first one sounds dubious
His power to make people negative is the most powerful weapon that he gained in the 2010s. F tier for fun factor, but SSSS tier for utility and lorepower.
Bruh
That ability's been around since at least 1998, actually.
I thought it was exclusive to smash bros.
@@moosesues8887 you mean 2006?
@@VirtuousAezon Sonic 06 was just a single bad game, it may have permanently worsened the franchise's reputation but it didn't single handedly ruin the franchise's characters and stories like the 2010's writing did
Im so glad that someone finally acknowledge sonic's other abilities thans just the spin dash, boost, and homing attack.
Seriously chaomix thanks.
This video is a godsend for that lmao
I mean, they're the most iconic
Sakuria should be taking notes.
Except for the front flip from Triple Trouble, the one thing I was looking for in the video.
@@drakath5727 that’s not really an ability ":v
I'd love to see every Tails ability ranked. The kid has so many different talents!
Napalm is easy S.
@@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569 yes
@@justasimplemanworkinghiswa1569 when you play sonic mania and you play as tails, and when he swims is an mega s!!
The team blast also has an extra effect afterwards. For Team Sonic, Sonic's homing attack and Tails' Thunder shoot is powered up for a few seconds. Team Dark stops time (probably the worst one honestly because it also stops the level so doors and fans wont work until the effect is over) Team rose, gets a level up, invincibility and shield and Team Chaotix get rings from the enemies they kill during the Blast.
The move by Team Dark is called Chaos Inferno and it doesn't just stop time, Omega gains magenta lasers and so wipes all enemies, it's a powerful move and those lasers are uncontrollable because Omega is tapping into the power of the Chaos Emeralds and so just imagine what it would feel like to fire a large beam of energy because these have alot of recoil, it's called a Chaos Power as the wikia lists many and that term fits it perfectly, easy to remember and understand.
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@@artistanthony1007 Team Dark actually does stop time with their team blast.
Try using it in Ocean Palace where the wheels are. It’s a clear showcase on how time stops when you use it.
@@ucancallmekiy7578 y'really "well actually"ed someone just to repeat something they said
incredible
Does anyone else think that Sonic healing himself by vibrating his molecules sound like something the Flash could do?
I was thinking that! It reminded me of how, I found out the other day that The Flash can walk through walls by vibrating his molecules or something.
@@A-Dino-Named-Mennany Glad I’m not the only one who noticed that!
The insta-shield extends sonic's hitbox though, so I think it should move up a few tiers. You can cheese a lot of bosses in S3&K because of it. It also increases the effectiveness of badnik bouncing
He makes the insta shield a defense mechanism but it’s so much more it has increased range and it makes sonic able to get through enemy defenses without getting harmed. It is essentially without alternative sources of strength one of the best attacks it’s super helpful and I so wish it was held on for one more classic game
@@GReenStUdIOsz Sonic Mania
@@GReenStUdIOsz then why is it called a shield by the game
@@algotkristoffersson15 that’s satire right
@@algotkristoffersson15 almost every shield we know in the sonic universe has a way to destroy enemies
Imagine if parkour was better. We could've been playing the Sonic CD intro in the game. 😩
We also could have had an alternative reality where sonic 0’6 and rise of lyric weren’t rushed and colours and generation’s writing would have been as good as the gameplay.
Combining Peel Out with rolling gets you a faster Spin Dash than normal. But it does take longer to fully charge
I 100% agree with you.
I was thinking that too. Plus, the Super Peel Out holds momentum, where the Spin Dash does not.
@@Acrosurge makes it s tier
Agreed, I would personally place it at A Tier tbh
@@CroveFN S tier.
you hit max speed by holding a button
Here's a tip: you can turn the Peel Out into some sort of super Spin Dash by immediately pushing down once you let it go.
Don't hold the direction while using it, because running in Sonic 1 (and CD I think) has a strict speed limit that the game slows you to if you're pushing the pad to run.
You missed the gravity control ring power up from Sonic Riders Zero Gravity, something that can easily be an *S* tier.
As long as Sonic has enough speed to gather air he can freely manipulate gravity and he can turn any object around him into a weapon and turn himself into a weapon on the same level as super sonic, as long as he has over 100 rings he can stop gravity and use the object attack quite a large number of times and he can turn himself into a weapon for nearly a minute straight. But not having any rings at all doesn't matter because the power is unconnected to rings with rings only bossing the amount of time you can use the manipulation.
And all that to say as long as he is going fast to collect air this gravity manipulation is freely recharged.
Ark of the Cosmos and Gravity Bands (for those who dont possess an AOTC), Gravity Control is an ability because there's also Gravity Dive and Gravity Ring, you can use GC when moving towards the GR and enter Gravity Dive but it's also like Meteor Burst, I found out you can use GC to instantly enter GD/MB when entering these Rings and it's on one of my videos.
Holy shit
@@artistanthony1007 the sonic air riders games were done as hell. I didn’t care about the story I just rly like the racing aspect of it as a kid
@@mnew4325 If we're gonna speak of the story, it's so good and Knuckles has his moment to shine in the second game, they literally had him leading his allies to Gigan Rocks and helps decipher the ancient inscription, I really miss that tbh.
It's not Air, it's Gravity Points which is Gravitational and Kinetic Energy that the Bands use to convert into Power, Wave even explains this in one of the cutscenes.
I really like how Sonic can use the Pico Hammer when teamed up with Amy in Sonic Advance 3. If you pair them together it is called "Lovely Couple" and Amy has hearts around her while following Sonic and standing still.
I feel like the rolling down a hill is so underrated. Sonic GT proved that a modern game revolving around it would be amazing.
How is it underated?
@@BitchChill It hasn't been a mechanic in 3D sonic games since... well... ever.
@@calistusjay60 sa1 & sa2 would like to have a word with you
@@AK46supr spindashing isn’t the same as rolling. And as much as I love those games for having slope physics, it’s not used nearly as much. Rolling should replace dash pads.
@@calistusjay60 but you can roll down the slopes in both adventure games and gain speed. No it isnt as wide and open like GT. But it is there is all im sayin. So it has been in 3D sonic
Insta-shield is definitely one of my favorites. It's overpowered, and it's sometimes difficult to use, but that's rare. Sure, sometimes you forget it, but eventually you get used to it, and it's so op...
“Subscribing to chaomix is a S tier ability”. God damn. What a line.
The fact that I read this as soon has he said that is insane
@@theraymanmaster3149 that shit is insane bro
@Saki Eshima OH shit it's Kirbo, let's all pray 🛐
Actually hyper sonic IS Canon. Sonic just doesn’t use that form because the super emeralds are in a dimension he can’t reach anymore.
Why have Wisps when you can actually use Sonic's friends as playable characters instead?
Why have the OC when you can actually use Sonic's friends as playable characters instead?
I miss Sonic's friends...
Yes. That's why I like playing the older games.
@Xavior a power-up is something that helps you beat a level, much like the Elemental Shields of yore, though they are not necessary to beating a stage. But when you need to use Wisps to clear a stage, it feels more like a gimmick rather than a power-up, or that's how I see it.
Plus there's no real narrative reasoning for them to continue to be around as apposed to say the Chao, who actually live on the same planet as Sonic, unlike the Wisps. Ah, Chao, now there's another long forgotten thing from the games...
@Xavior what am i playing again sonic or mario
mario uses power-ups sonic does not
even lizuka said we wanted sonic to have power-up like mario
they even said lost world was made for nintendo fans
so 2010s are mario stories for sonic mario power-up for sonic and zavok and other like mario stop being like mario more important THE STORY must be amazing action not mario like childish
and if see lizuka say the next sonic games lost world 2 cuz of nintendo fans then you know what sonic fans are going to say to lizuka
@@fazelfarrokhi1998 I feel that faker, Classic, is pretty much like trying to turn what Sonic used to be like into Mario, which makes him come across as more of a bad tribute act when compared to the real thing. Especially when you consider he's a mute with barely enough personality to fill a sandwich, but yet somehow Classic Tails can talk...? How does that work? Plus Sonic has spoken during the 16 bit era, as seen with Sonic CD. So again, not sure where they got the idea Classic must be silent when he never has been
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They're too stupid
super smash bros players: there's something wrong, he's just jump and spin
immobile
Something to note: The Light Speed Attack usually works better if you're moving in the direction of the enemy, as it affects the movement of Sonic just enough to properly hit enemies consistently
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@@snixsabers famous last words.
I made the tier list template publicly available and put the link in the description. Make your own tier list and send it in our Discord server! (Link also in the description)
You mean Super emeralds...
As for the light speed attack, your supposedly to move the analog stick in the directory of the enemies.
What about the Triangle Jump?
I never expected you to rank double boost in A tier, for me it's a mediocre C tier for how strong it is in terms of the story, but also how flawed it is in terms of gameplay
11:58 This is pretty obscure, but it was mapped to a single button in Sonic Heroes. After performing a Team Blast in Sonic Heroes as Team Sonic, using an attack that involves Sonic like Tails’ Thunder Shoot or Knuckles’ Fire Dunk or inputting a tornado attack near an enemy as Sonic, Sonic will light speed attack all of the enemies in his range. It helps for clearing another wave of enemies that you’d encounter after the wave you just used it on, like in Robot Carnival and Robot Storm. In Heroes, I’d put Light-Speed Attack in B Tier
Me after Insta-Shield in E: Oh no
Drop Dash in S: Anyway
E and S?
@@amogus_42069 those are the tiers in the tier list
The sad thing for the double boost is, it doesn't matter if you keep spamming the button it's still going to activate the attack no matter what because that's what the game creators want to have, working along with Sonic
If we could combine the depth of rail grinding from SA2, with the more reliable additions of easy rail switching (from Shadow onwards) and being able to homing attack towards a rail, that'd be freakin great.
Though you would have to make the crouch a bit more manageable. I could never get it right unless it was a straight way down.
Personally, I wish rail grinding worked more the way it does in Tony Hawk (or even Jet Set Radio). What I mean is, rails in Sonic games have gradually just become little set paths that you transfer back and forth from. What I want is for Sonic to use the ENVIRONMENT to parkour around, not just go into "ride rail mode" and sit passively while he waits to rech the other end. In my dream game, Sonic would see grindable surfaces everywhere. Going downstairs? You could always roll down the steps, but if there's a handrail going down the side Sonic could grind it like a skateboarder would. Or say there's just a long bench, or an above-ground flower bed or something. Holding a button could send Sonic grinding down the edge like in Tony Hawk, preserving his momentum and playing in moret o the premise that Sonic views the world like an oversized playground. I dunno, grinding in its current form is awesome, don't get me wrong. I just want it utilized more often (and more organically) than it generally is.
While I'm not good at it, I love the Insta-Shield purely because it raises the skill ceiling for the games it is in. The better reaction time you have, the safer you are as Sonic, and I think that thematically that is exactly what Sonic should be like.
Hyper Sonic is honestly my favorite ability to play as. It makes it easier for me to chill out in sonic 3 & knuckles without penalty. Nice video dude.
You forgot something.
Being able to become friends with anyone that dares glare at him for half a second.
Except the Deadly Six.
@@austinreed7343 and eggman... and anyone related to him too closely really.
nice video except the entire list is invalid because you called them 'hyper emerlds' when they're super emeralds
Oop
@@chaomix
You missed the overpowered version of the spindash..
It's *Spamdash*
By repeatedly spamming action button you can perform pretty quick spindash without ever stopping.
Spamdash - A tier
@@MilkIsTheOne Pretty much the only good use for the SA1-style Spindash.
@@formerlyyaboitom10
Liked that .. is it feature/bug?
It's like boosting in future games.
I loved that kind of spindash.
@@formerlyyaboitom10
Also.. Tikal is better than Omachao.
Fight me
I learned this about a year ago, but Sonic Heroes actually does have SA2's rail grinding mechanics! If you hold the B button down, they'll crouch on the rail, and you'll have to balance the characters to maintain the absolutely insane amounts of speed that you gain. It can be pretty tough to balance though, especially in some of Rail Canyon/Bullet Station's Picasso-ass rail segments. It makes dodging the last laser on Final Fortress a breeze.
Unfortunatly you forgot triangle jump, that one looks sick!
Yeah I noticed when it go to Parkour that Triangle Jump was missing.
I’m pretty sure he also forgot the double jump from Sonic Blast/Sonic R
That's basically just a wall jump that doesn't give you any extra height.
@@charliekahn4205 but it looks super cool and helps preserve the flow feeling
He also forgot the triple boost.
I actually liked the way it looked
Secret Tip for Rail Grinding in Sonic Heroes... You actually do gain speed for holding the B button, not mashing it. It's actually wildly fast. I didn't discover that myself until I 100%'d the game last year and learned how to properly dodge the laser cannons of Final Fortress.
Considering how the power of friendship/teamwork was used to get past obstacles in forces, Team Racing, and heck SA1 demonstrated it. If that isn't a sign of infinite meta-physical power source in this franchise I don't know what is.
It's nice to come back to this video.
Chaomix:"And the drop dash should show up in future games and even the 3d ones".
And now,we can drop dash in Sonic Frontiers.
By the way,Love your videos!
Keep up the good work Chaomix👍!!!
Watched it from start to finish. You've delivered plenty of fantastic videos, but this one takes the cake just for the enormous time and effort that clearly went into this.
It was a pleasure to be of aid with making this.
Keep it up! *Blue Blurs for Life!*
34:46 "why are there so many of these little bastards?"!!!! THAT CRACKED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was having bad day then you make a vid so thanks :)
Glad I can help out! Haha😄
Would be kind of cool if Tails made gadgets for Sonic to use in gameplay
That's actually a very cool idea and I hope that shows up in future games.
That was a thing in the 3ds version of Lost World, but it wasn't very good.
27:48
I appreciate that you edited the lip flaps of the sword to match your audio
Bro I read this comment the same time it played
oh this is gonna be good
33:06
Little aside on the Blue Cube, it also makes Sonic invincible. Sure you still take recoil and lose rings, but if you get hit while it's active and have no rings, Sonic doesn't die.
Bro, you forgot Sonic's Sneeze from CD.
Sega did too lol
@@Mini-ze6sl *Plays the Roblox death sound effect*
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!!
@@SpeedyBlur2000 isn’t it OOOOOOOOOOOOF
That claim isn't actually too outrageous, the "sneeze" is actually a scrapped ability called "Sonic Sense". A bit like Spidey Sense with Spiderman, Sonic sneezes whenever he senses danger.
"Hedgehog Sense is tingling"
The only time I've ever had use out of the Light Speed Attack was with that one Artificial Chaos enemy in Crazy Gadget that spawned a fuckton of mini-ACs. That was so satisfying to use.
Favorite abilities
Spin Dash
Drop Dash
Light Speed Dash
Light Speed Attack
Figure 8
Bounce Bracelet
Rail Grinding
SA2 has the best abilities xd
I know I'm super late but something you forgot to mention about Sonic Heroes is how you can use the Light Speed Attack after doing a Team Blast. after you use it the Team Blast bar will slowly drain, but while it drains you can use an instant Light Speed Attack as Sonic by just pressing B mid-air. idk if this would affect the Team Blast or the Light Speed Dash's position though
the beginning lmao
I think the designs for the Custom Shoes in 06 look wicked as hell and the Skill Ring just looks so cool.
Now that we got all of the all moves from the games, we need a tier list for the Sonic comics. Some of the things Sonic is capable of in that medium, especially in the Archie comics, are completely insane. I would love to see someone do a teir list of those abilities.
Darkspine and The Werehog is the closest we've had to Dark Sonic since Sonic X, both in appearance and being born from negative energy/emotions
*Super Emeralds tho I think hyper emeralds woulda made more sense
Here's My Favorite Sonic The Hedgehog *Ability* 🦔👟🌪💍💎
*Somersault* (From Sonic Adventure 2 "2001") - 12:27
*Spindash* (From Sonic The Hedgehog 2 "1992") - 4:02
*Homing Attack* (From Sonic Adventure "1998") - 10:01
*Drop Dash* (From Sonic Mania "2017") - 8:39
*White Gem/Homing Smash* (From Sonic The Hedgehog "2006") - 23:45
*Parkour* (From Sonic Lost World "2013") - 34:46
*Rail Grinding* (From Sonic Adventure 2 "2001") - 13:27
*Slide* (From Sonic The Hedgehog "2006") - 18:43
*Spin Kick* (From Sonic The Hedgehog "2006") - 21:49
*Stomp* (From Sonic And The Secret Rings "2007") - 30:15
*Drift* (From Sonic Unleashed "2008") - 30:45
*Sidestep* (From Sonic Unleashed "2008") - 31:18
*Double Boost* (From Sonic Forces "2017") - 35:14
*Super Sonic* (From Sonic The Hedgehog 2 "1992") - 6:00
*Light Speed Attack* (From Sonic Adventure "1998") - 11:46
*Chaos Control* (From Sonic Adventure 2 "2001") - 17:28
*Peelout* (From Sonic CD "1993") - 5:12
*Insta Shield* (From Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles "1994") - 7:56
*Skill Ring* (From Sonic And The Secret Rings "2007") - 25:35
*Darkspine Sonic* (From Sonic And The Secret Rings "2007") - 26:30
*Caliburn* (From Sonic And The Black Knight "2009") - 27:39
*Excalibur Sonic* (From Sonic And The Black Knight "2009") - 28:42
*Light Speed Dash* (From Sonic Adventure "1998") - 10:44
*Magic Gloves* (From Sonic Adventure 2 "2001") - 16:55
*Bounce Bracelet* (From Sonic Adventure 2 "2001") - 14:53
*Mystic Melody* (From Sonic Adventure 2 "2001") - 15:58
*Rocket Accel* (From Sonic Heroes "2003") - 19:05
*Sonic Tornado* (From Sonic Heroes "2003") - 19:56
*Team Blast* (From Sonic Heroes "2003") - 20:31
*Wisps* (From Sonic Colors "2010") - 32:21
*Werehog* (From Sonic Unleashed "2008") - 31:32
Alf layla-wa-layla is just the translation of "thousand and one" nights in my language (arabic)which obviously references to the 1001 nights stories.
Don't worry I myself had trouble spelling t.
hi brother
thank you for the info! i love how detailed even the smallest things are in Sonic lore, those people cared so much up until Colors 😔
21:27
Correction:
This transformation requires the Dark Fake Emeralds. They will increase Sonic's negative emotion until he gets consumed and then turns into Dark Sonic.
The Fake Emeralds are said even by their own creator to be inferior to the Chaos Emeralds, and are only used to power machines.
With that mind, the form is weaker than Super Sonic.
Still, he defeated with not much trouble two robots that have equivalent status of Sonic's base form, so he is still a good boost.
Still deserved B tier despite all that.
Gonna watch this video in the background while editing later 👍
Magic gloves are wierd but can be useful for getting rid an annoying enemy from a distance. City escape has a beetle drone with an electric shield that blocks the stairs at a certain spot. Magic gloves get rid of that enemy so I don’t have to wait for his shield to drop. It’s also how you’re supposed to defeat an artificial chaos floating over a bottomless pit in cannon’s core.
That intro had me creasing lmaoooooo😂
3:03 Roll 4:04 Spindash
5:14 Peelout
6:03 Super Sonic 7:00 Hyper Sonic
7:59 Insta-Shield 8:42 Drop Dash
9:32 Hyper Mode 10:03 Homing Attack
10:47 Light Speed Dash
11:49 Light Speed Attack
12:29 Somersault 13:30 Rail Grinding
14:55 Bounce Bracelet
16:00 Mystic Melody 16:23 Sonic Wind
16:57 Magic Gloves 17:30 Chaos Control
18:24 Sonic Heal 18:45 Slide
19:07 Rocket Accel 19:58 Sonic Tornado
20:33 Team Blast 21:12 Dark Sonic
21:52 Spin Kick 22:40 All Shoe Gems
25:37 Skill Rings 26:33 Darkspine Sonic
27:41 Caliburn 28:44 Excalibur Sonic
29:31 Boost 30:18 Stomp 30:47 Drift
31:20 Sidestep 31:35 Werehog
32:24 All Wisps 34:48 Parkour
35:17 Double Boost
Can’t watch rn but I’ll be back later-ish
Or tomorrow
8:10 20 years old, 20 years playing sonic 3 e knuckles, 20 years having this as my favorite game of all time
only now i know the insta shield is not just a visual effect
oh i should probably let you know that Indigo Asteroid is extremely broken in Lost World 3DS, I'd put it in B
Fun fact: Hyper Sonic is a fusion of the S3&K Shield Abilities. The directional jumps are based on the mobility each shield gives, mainly behaving like the Flame Shield, the lack of drowning is from the bubble shield, and the screen nuke... is actually from the thunder shield, when entering water!
It's a interesting detail that I don't think enough people notice!
it doesn't magnet rings though
@@Fafr true, but that would be incredibly OP.
The Super Emeralds are either recharging or non-canon. Either way, imagine how powerful Sonic would be in Hyper form now that he knows so much more about Chaose Energy and Chaos Control.
The super emeralds were added for the people who bought sonic and knuckles after beating sonic 3 as a "thank you for buying both halfs of the story enjoy this op ability as your reward" which is pretty creative but im not sure about them being cannon despite them being refrenced in mania.. maybe you have a point with the recharging maybe sonic just never thought to bring the chaos emeralds back to the master emerald to super charge them again... or maybe he has ptsd of the blue spheres special stage lmao
@@nakulemonadekitsune204 sonic, in any situation involving looking at himself spin dashing; AHHH- oh wait that's just me, right.
@@shadowsnake5133 yes omg lmao
Insta-Shield in E? I disagree, I'd put it in the C or B tier. Once you're able to use it well, it is such a fun and satisfying ability to use!
The Super Peelout has an upside of instantly taking you to top speed and being able to maintain it. If you spindash on a flat plain that speed is going to quickly run out. This doesn't apply to the peelout
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Bro, I’m already F tier IRL. Getting that in one of your videos let alone an appearance at all would easily be one of my biggest achievements to date.
did you deadass just put the insta shield in E tier? below the peel out? bro.
True XD
As in
Small note : Hyper sonic is actually canon to the main timeline
the reason we haven't seen it again after sonic 3 & knuckles is because of how powerful that form was. there has been no enemy so far that super sonic couldn't handle on his own (aside from egg wizard)
Also, technically Sonic Lost World had its own version of the Drop Dash before Mania did.
One thing you got wrong about Dark Sonic: It's not just caused by the anger Sonic had, it's also caused by the fake Chaos Emeralds that was in that episode.
The peel out has 2 differences than the peel out.
1. It can’t be reved up like the Spindash.
2. It’s faster than the Spindash
It's only really faster than the Spin Dash overall if you're playing the original release of Sonic CD, where the Spin Dash is not really fun to use, because it takes like 3 or 4 full seconds to charge up, unlike Sonic 2, 3, and pretty much any other 2D game with the ability, where you can charge it up faster. In the Taxman version, they give you the option to use the Sonic 2 spindash which is infinitely better.
@@SpeedyBlur2000 well there are not many other games that you can use it
My boy can vibrate his molecules to heal himself, and the move is only C TIER
H Y P E R EMERALDS
Something I found while playing Sonic Heroes is that the railgrinding mechanic does actually function very similarily as in SA2. Holding the crouch button instead of spamming it while going down a rail will net you higher speeds and you also still need to balance to go faster. Spamming the crouch button only really helps when grinding on level rails. It doesn't really change the tier list, I just thought it was a lesser known fact about grinding in Sonic Heroes and wanted to share my findings (after Sonic Heroes, however, spamming is the only viable option for gaining speed)
Yeah, this is true and something I learned about over a decade of originally owning the game. Shame that the game doesn't do a decent job at teaching this at all, since not knowing about the balancing mechanism was the reason why I used to hate Rail Canyon and similar stages.
@@QwerpOS agreed, it is also the reason I would never finish the game because of the last laser in Egg Fortress which always seemed to hit me, because I lost so much speed while spamming. The first time I held crouch, that level was a cakewalk
"60 Sonic Abilities"
Sonic Frontiers: 💯+
Homing and spin dash not being S tier feels like a crime
Glad to see some Hyper Sonic love, though! Wish Sega would try to find a way to bring it back…
Gen z: actually the spin dash was first in sonic 1
Millennials: bruh
Ps: the insta sheild in japan is named the double spining attack as in its meant to be an offensive move extending your hitboxx
Super Emeralds. Not Hyper Emeralds
9:22
Sega Making Sonic Frontiers:
WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!
(Written 3 Years After This Videos Release)
Sorry, just wanna ask:
Being as unbiased as possible, wouldn't hover wisp be ranked closer to the light speed dash?
(Same for pink/spike and spin dashing, only I'd actually argue it's better than the OG move)
I've been playing Sonic 3 since release day. Insta shield would have easily been F tier for me when I was a kid. It wasn't until this year I even learned that the insta shield could deflect projectiles or phase through spiked enemies to destroy them. Now, it's straight up S tier just for the satisfaction I get every time I successfully pull it off. It might not be as flashy as some other abilities, but the fact that it's so skill based makes it the most rewarding.
I didn’t even know the drop dash existed
I want Dark Sonic to come back! There is SO MUCH Potential to that form! Both story-wise and gameplay wise!
I feel that the homing attack is the best
also subscribing to chaomix
please don't sue me
The peel out, although still not super amazing, does have an advantage you didn't seem to notice. Where as when you spindash, the ability ends as soon as you jump / leave the ground. After doing a peel out, as long as you keep the input held down and don't have to stop, the ability continues and you can just keep going with max speed.
Parkour was in Sonic Heroes since some Speed characters could wall cling/wall jump.
Sonic/Shadow can wall cling in SA2 as well
Insta-Shield should at least be A tier, it can dodge most attack be used to defeat some enemies without taking damage, it can help you to defeat bosses, it is pretty easy to get the timing down, and it can be very satisfying to use. If you can count the times you've purposely used it on your hands, then in my eyes, you're playing the game wrong.
You forgot the elemental shields from 3&k
aside from game limitations, if sonic uses asteroid or void he can basically destroy ANYTHING in his way realistically, he basically transforms anything into matter with asteroid and straight up vaporizes anything with void
Mario can run and jump.
This is false.
“When deflecting attacks, the timing has to be pretty precise…”
CupHead after getting the final Super Art: “Aww, you gonna cry?”
You forgot double spindash from sonic 4
But that game is forgotten so its OK
I feel like it would be a good idea in the future games to make it so that whenever you stomp/bounce down, Sonic's trajectory is slightly homed in on any rails below him, if there are any.
That would be a good balance of not getting forcefully sucked onto rail during normal gameplay, while also giving the player the ability to stick the landing on the rails which can be very inconsistent
Whenever I play SA2 and use the Bounce Bracelet, it feels like it does that already.
5:56 I'm pretty sure the SPO is made to be chained into a roll in situations where the Spindash isn't an option due to topography.
27:20 (Ahl-ph Leh-la Wah Leh-la)
36:00 By the way, you missed a couple names, and the Alternate Team Blast in Heroes, which by the way, all Team Blasts have specific Names. Sonic Overdrive and Super Sonic Power are the two that Sonic Team has. You also didn't add the Hyper Flash as a seperate ability from Hyper Sonic despite the form and attack being seperate abilities. There are some other niche abilities that would go as powered up versions of other abilities on the list, such as Turbo Boost.
I have played through 6 different Sonic games and never realized he could just roll to do damage. I'll see myself out now.
Am I high or did he miss the wall jump?
He did, and thank god I wasn't the only one who realized, been looking through so many comments. Mans brought in so many random abilities and forgot one of the essentials.