I've had some recent evidence that says riposte is in fact melee damage, which means melee quirks can be usable on MAA. I apologize for posting potential minsinformation. Originally I thought riposte was melee, and then I had people tell me it wasn't, but Thick showed me the game code and it does indeed look to be considered melee. Sorry folks. Hope this helps.
A Riposte attack will have the base stats of the Weapons held by the Heroes, inheriting base damage and critical chance before calculating any modifiers to those parameters. This is what the wiki says. So, even if it is considered melee, doesn't it mean that quirks or trinkets do not affect the damage output from riposte? I may be wrong because English is not my first language.
@@fihamakash502 That is what I originally thought as well. However if it is classified specifically as a melee attack in the riposte file, it should be able to take modifiers from melee bonuses. I guess I should have tested it thoroughly beforehand. I'll make sure to have an answer when I do the highwayman video.
My first run getting the game last week had Dismas get just wrecked with neg quirks and die the fourth run. I named him Dismal and sent him on his way.
He starts with an amazing qurik +2 speed Dismas is a dude I invest heavily in every play through cuz hes a highway man with garenteed +2 speed and stun resist.
I just realized that the team name The Collection is called that because the MAA, V, HM are the three heads that the collector uses in his fight and the antiquarian is like the collector in this team so cool!
That last effect is a complete joke and I have no idea how that made it into game. It's probably the worst non-downside related effect in the entire game. First, bellow has to hit. Second, it has to debuff. Third, the enemy has to be marked by a different character. Fourth, you bank off a 5% crit increase.
My main issue with man at arms is that he's a tank in a game where offense is king. A lot of times I'm looking at crusader to fill a similar role but better. Sure he can't guard but why would you spend a turn to protect a squishy rather than simply buffing your team or taking out enemy?
Because sometimes you need lest you get nuked in 2-3 turns. Some battles like the Prophet, Swine or Vvulf are hellish if you don't have MaA or an Occultist reducing the incoming damage
MaA is high dmg setup hero, you just need to rotate guard, command and reposte. This way you deal dmg by reposting and get less dmg with guard and at the same time the whole team has high accuracy and crit. The guarded character does 25% more dmg as well. He's just so good with leper or helion or any high dmg hero
reminder that percentile defenses like dodge get better the more you have of them If an enemy has a 50% base chance to hit you, a 10 bonus to dodge reduces that to 40%, which is 20% less than before. Another 10 dodge reduces that to 30%, which is 25% less than before. In other words when's the divina commedia guide shuffle
Hey shuff, small feedback here. I learned more about flagellant than MAA. You might consider making these guides more focused around characters. I know dd is more about comps and synergies than individual skill sets. But you get sidetracked about other characters and their builds,trinkets etc. When you return to the main character you are explaining i feel like "Ooh yeah, this was a MAA guide.". I have no idea how can you make it this deep but more focused around a character. You can find a way tho. Love the content and consistency. Thank you!
I don’t know anything about 2 really but if 2 MAA and one Vestal can knock out bosses that’s insane. Very team dependent characters but they’re super strong?
I've been playing DD for almost 2 years now and for a while I wasn't great at it and I'd often just throw teams together and think very surface level about them but you're the reason I started getting better at the game. I would watch your video (and I have to say I love the long tutorials and tier lists cuz I just put 1 on and watch for ages) and you would open my eyes to a lot of fun things that work really well. You've managed to make me enjoy 1 of my favourite games even more.
Considering he's supposed to be an officer his design is pretty ingenious. He has a lot of things he could be doing but at the end of the day he needs to make a descion. He's most susceptible to stress. and though he can hold his own in melee it's often better to do something to set up a team mate rather than bashing someone with his mace.
MAA is forever relegated to that hero I bring for Prophet and literally nothing else. Idk, I just am not a fan personally and would rather bring houndmaster if I want a guard hero.
Man At Arms not needs good damage. Because his HP decreases the Low damage's Bad effect. MAA Support hero nonetheless. He will take every sort of Damage. Thats why he exist.
Man, I know this is not about the video, but I love how you interact with your followers on twitch and how you create a friendly atmosphere, keep it up man, love watching you.
Never knew MAA's skill buffed the whole party, I never used it cause i thought buffing only one person wasn't worth it (it still isn't most of the time) but that's just so much better
Thank God for this video. I've had this guy in my roster for a while but I couldn't figure out what to do with him. All of his strengths are just not my playstyle, but after this video I'll go ahead and give him a fair shot.
I think you are too hard on atonement beads. You'd be willing to slot Dazling charm for 10 stun chance but if you're already using the diary then I just see it as minus virtue for a +35 stun which is amazing. My rank 3 vestal uses the CC set all the time and I love the extra stun. It's really work trying. Otherwise love the guide def gonna try using more MAA
The Atonement Beads are kind of a psychological trap. The fact that they're all but useless on their own makes them feel like a waste of a slot even though the benefits you get from the full set are much more valuable than a lot of other trinkets you could put on instead. It's a net gain, but it feels like a loss anyway.
I actually tried a 2nd place Vestal today with Guard and her buff provided by Hand of Light and with no crit (if I remember correctly), she could hit up to 27 with Mace Bash on a Bloodsucking enemy. She saved the whole mission almost by herself.
Gotta disagree with the bellow critique, hardly ever misses and when it does stick, you get to go first with everyone and kill the enemy team before they stress or crit you. Saves my ass a lot.
I personally LOVED using Rank 4 MAA for my very first run of Wolves at the Door, on a team of MAA-BH-Occ-Flag. Really made myself vulnerable to stress by giving him his own head, but holy shit was it worth trivializing Vvulf's entire boss mechanic. As it turns out, 40ish damage bombs can't really do shit against 80% PROT and trinket-buffed Reclaim heals. With that taken care of... the fight wasn't _easy,_ but it was certainly manageable given that you're just fighting off straightforward shit like bleed, direct damage, and stress at that point, rather than all of that PLUS a nuclear bomb every round.
Hope i’m not too late. Alright so for a Rank 4 MaA comp i would pair it with the jester in rank 3. Battle Ballad and Command together can get your party to +40 ACC & CRIT. MaA Bellow can nerf the enemy depending on the dungeon(ex: cove would be easy to debuff) Due to having so much CRIT & ACC the front liners will destroy the enemy and heal stress, meaning Jester can focus stress healing the MaA. The only issue with the comp is consistent healing because you will not be able to run a standard Vestal and Hitting the back row. So to circumvent this you can bring 1. a lot of food or 2. front line Occultist, seeing as his much CRIT the party will have his heals may be better than usual and MaA can guard him so that he isn’t exposed while in the front, also you would have to play Daemons pull to reach the back liners and would be forced to choose between Sacrificial Stab, Weakening Curse or Vulnerability Hex. Option 3. is using a Support Crusader with Focus on Battle Heal as jester has Stress healing covered. Although Crusader will not be able to deal with the back line enemies like occultist. My Comp would be in order of rank 4-1 MAA,JESTER,OCC,CRU Goal of Trying to aim for consistent healing If you do replace one of the front liners i would suggest having heroes that can have high Stun Chance seeing as you won’t want Foes to interfere with this strategy. Heroes such as ABOM, HEL, BH would be able to replace one of the two. ABOM due to his trinkets giving +55% stun skill chance, HEL due to YAWP, and BH due to Uppercut and Flash-bang as well as his compatibility with Finish him against stunned enemies and being able to take advantage of the high CRIT chance.
I like man at arms for the riposte and that's pretty much it, I always run a healer with him because I expect him to be heavily targeted , sadly sometimes enemies love to hit everyone except the marked tank tho :(
So bellow you use when you want to rob the enemy of their next turn. That it has to hit and debuff is obviously major drawbacks, I agree. But I consider it essential for hallway fights just because you're almost guaranteed to go before the enemy if it hits, with all champions, before even fast enemies. Battle ballad is not as huge a speed buff as bellow, -7 speed is really what bellow is about. But again, I agree that to hit and to debuff doesn't feel ideal in many situations. Then I'm not really using Jester with Man at arm, so I tend to lean towards bellow.
I like using MAA with Shieldbreaker; primarily to guard her as she uses her moves and doesn't need to setup the blocks. After that, it's either Bolster during her nightmares, or that move I already forgot the name of that increases damage, accuracy and crit for that sweet Impale- Edit: I also like QuickDraw Charm or other speed boosts, just so he can activate his buffs before the party goes so they benefit from it immediately
I don't know why some people see Bellow as a bad skill. It's lowering dodge is not very useful, but the reduced speed is very useful to take out an enemy or two before they'd otherwise get their action, effectively giving your party 2 or 3 extra actions per battle, while taking the same number away from enemies. In the long dungeons this can be extremely useful, saving you from dozens of enemy actions that would otherwise harm and inflict your party.
Most enemies have low debuff resistance, but like most skills you're going to use often, it helps to put on a trinket that boosts it. The skill isn't very useful against bosses, but against mobs it can effectively give your party 3 extra actions per battle with slight increase to hit. All of those extra actions really add up.
I’ve found that bellow works well in high control teams with heroes like pd and another stun. You can stun 3 enemies and bellow to move their turn even further back
The problem with your bellow hatred is that you're comparing it to jester's battle bailed in a vacuum and not considering the character those moves are attached to The guy has twice as much health as jester and multiple (placement flexible) full team buffs, it's a false equivalence
It's kind of sad... Man at arms is so guilt ridden that he focuses too much on guarding his teammates, instead of crushing his enemies. His whole skillset is focused around support, but that causes him to take on too much of the pressure and eventually succumb to it via a heart attack or just being afflicted. If he let his teammates take on some of the burden, maybe he wouldn't die to stress so easily.
ANyone who pronounces Flagellent as Fla-GEL-ant needs to get their cranium checked. Flagellation is pronounced as FLA-gel-ation. FlaGELant is assuming that the name comes from Flagella of cells, not from Flagelation
@@ShuffleFM maybe just some of the more well known named teams. Crimson hand, Usual Suspects, The Wall etc. Ones you think are best or poll for community favorites.
I've noticed in the last team comp, the Wall, when you said that you start off with Rampart and holy lance: in the background fight in the Warrens, you didn't actually use Rampart until Round 3, and you used Command and Defend instead. Which surprised me cause you let the pig vomit on you like 3 times. In my experience, almost every other pig vomit results in a horrible disease 😅 I'm guessing maybe it's because you got a surprise round, so you favored a buff? Maybe the spear throwing pig was more threatening? Maybe cause there were no stress casters? (altho I thought the vomit pig counted as one) I don't know. Maybe I will figure it out with more experience
If MMA starts in 3 and then moves to 4 will his reposte still work? He starts in 3, first move reposte then gets moved to 4. This reads REALLY awkward, but hopefully someone understands what I am asking.
@@ShuffleFM thanks. Also, just it has not been said in awhile, your videos on DD are really helpful- even year/s later and after watching multiple times. Plus they are entertaining.
Something I'm noticing in my playthrough about bellow is that is one of those moves that is better on early game! I feel like command, which I also love, needs more time to build up. Early game there are 1-2 enemies with evasion and bellow usually hits. Later on you can fail virtually every attack, included bellow. But hitting wise, I think lvl 1 and 2 bellow is better than command.
Team Rank 4, replace the Flagellant with the Crusader, Rank 2 Bounty with Highwayman and rank 3 Bounty with Vestal. You will activate the team name "The Walking Heads"
Man at arms is such an awesome skill set. And I love the fact he has a riposte be cause of how much I dislike highwayman. Why, God why did highwayman have to be the only other riposte skill? Wasted.
Just for the memes I like to run MAA with trinkets that boost prot by 45 and then guard heroes. You can hit 85 prot and then I shuffle him around with jester or shieldbreaker
Gotta say I think alot of people sleep on Crush. Sure, it doesn't hit for alot. But sometimes you low roll a hit with someone else and need just that little bit of extra damage to clean it up and a dead enemy doesn't do damage/stress. The fact that it can even hit rank 3 is nice. As has been said before, with MAA its hard because almost every one of his buttons wants to be pushed and there are arguments to be made for each
I LOVE the stress reduce of bolster more than the dodge. Dodge is good but -%20 stress makes stress management almost taken care of early to mid game and late game it gives you a huge boost IMO.
good setup is when you take party like arbalest- antiquarian- highwayman- and man at arms. so antiquarcian forces highwayman to guard her and man at arms guards arbalest and boost her dmg. also antiquarian with healing trinkets should work well with a little heal boost from arbalest. but it wont work well against massive stress runs. :D eventually swap arbalest for jester ..
Hi I’m new to the channel and the game. I ran a rank four MAA before I found this video; I am 7 minutes in but I want to say my answer to the stress problem is dodge. Funny word that, dodge…so obviously Antiquarian, PD, and Arbbys lol
When MAA is in rank 4, I would drop bellow or one of the buffs for SOMETHING that does damage. I did this version in rank 4 and watched in horror as my party got killed because rank 1 died and then things snowballed. Treat MAA in 4 like crusader in 1, you may never press holy spear, but imagine needing to and not having it! Love your videos. My runs have improved by a lot from watching them. STUN STUN STUN! Also, the cove is becoming my favorite zone for the coral.
Maybe you know it. If you take Jester and Flag you can heal stress very effective. Jester play Inspiring Tune on Flag. Flag use Endure and absorb all team stress. You need gave Flag -% stress trinket. Inspiring tune buff stress resist. Flag take less and less stress. Yes, you spare 2 turns on 1 thing (stress heal). Someone can say - take 2 Jesters and jobs done. But Flag can fieght, heal HP, heal stress - I prefer Flag than second Jester. First turn: Jester Battle ballade, rest team stun/kill fos. When dangeros enemys dead recovery phase. Jest Inspiring tune on flag, Flag Endure, rest team stun/heal HP. Sorry bad english. I use it for free stress heal afflicted heroes from previus run (if i had them). I rarely trhow my money on stress heal. Go in dungeon With stressed hero a bit scary. but if first fieght not stress heavy i can recovery affliction.
@@ShuffleFM that is wrong rank 4 manatarm team. rank 4 manatarm team is centered around two characters. 1) plague doctor 2) leper Or Shieldbreaker The idea behind team is that manatarms at rank 4 has command. command gives accuracy and damage boost to a single ally who is guarded. The idea is to make front-line characters into hyper damage carries. There are two possibles candidates to boost and those two are Leper and Shieldbreaker. One issue with Leper is that although he has high damage, Most enemies in front-line have very high prod. so this highly offsets his high damage. You can argue shieldbreaker is just a better Leper because he ignores prod but he also has 10% damage penalty and he is squishy. well thanks to manatarms, he's not squishy. The team is Manatarms, Plague doctor, Antiquarian, Leper/Shieldbreaker. Manatarms: Turn 1, you shield leper or shieldbreaker. This redirect damage to manatarms -> All other turns are spend on pressing command on leper or shieldbreaker who ramp up to deal damage. Antiquarian has to press "Protect me" on Manatarms, This stacks to give Manatarms like 60% prod and gives manatarm double redirection of damage. The other turns are spend on healing manatarms(Run healing trinkets on her), using Festering Vepers on high blight resistance enemies for plague doctor noxiume or using flashpowder bully last enemy that is alive for plague doctor to heal. In leper variant, Blight damage is only counter to High prod enemies. Plague doctor is a healer for manatarms. Do note she is only character who is not protected in this composition. her turn 1 is blinding gas. The other turns are spent healing Manatarms. you want healing trinkets on plague doctor to stack with manatarm's artifact. She can cure manatarm's bleed and blight and camping skill can cure disease. noxiume fumes can work vestering veper and flashpowder. Leper main move is Chop. Shieldbreaker's main move is Pierce. they do big damage when boosted with command. It is somewhat joke composition to run but you can run it in mid game. its not good early because you need manatarm's artifact to run it and antiquarian's early game offensive is not very good, neither are leper's inaccuracy ratings and the team is very fragile when it comes displacements and stuns. Manatarms gets no bonus if he is not in position 4. Plague doctor is heal is not good without trickets. Leper is useless if he is not in position 1/2 and shieldbreaker's early game is not good either. Antiquarian has move to go back, but no moves to go forward and her level 1 moves are terrible offensive. Its shame manatarms cannot use retribution at rank 4, but I assume they really wanted manatarms to use guard->command. The composition would be so much better in early game if he could use it on rank 4. At least retribution is broken in darkest dungeon 2 so there is that.
Just recently discovered your channel after getting this game + all DLC on sale for about $12 like 2 weeks ago. Really enjoy your hard work. Still don't know how to use shieldbreaker or antiquarian. Guess I have more videos to watch.
Easily the worst and most frustrating character to me. I can do more damage with an antiquarian ffs. Actually he may be an antiquarian with lots of hp+prot and lacking the ability to make tons of money. I'll watch this video some 5 more times before trying to get something good out of him again.
The man at arms LOVES when an antiquarian is in the same team comp. Also, getting him stressed to proc a virtue, with a backup stress healer to reset any afflictions. still my least favourite class, but has it's uses
Yesterday I created a riposte-guard team that ran like a very rude clock. Antiquarian, Highwayman, Vestal, Man at Arms from back to front. Basically you set up riposte for both fighters, then the antiquarian uses Protect Me on the highwayman while the man at arms guards the healer. Any time anyone gets attacked you get a counter.
i've run a team with rank 4 MAA where it starts as HWM/MAA/VEST/LEP and the HWM always pistol shots then duelists, giving MAA time to riposte first turn. its not too bad
I've had some recent evidence that says riposte is in fact melee damage, which means melee quirks can be usable on MAA. I apologize for posting potential minsinformation. Originally I thought riposte was melee, and then I had people tell me it wasn't, but Thick showed me the game code and it does indeed look to be considered melee. Sorry folks. Hope this helps.
A Riposte attack will have the base stats of the Weapons held by the Heroes, inheriting base damage and critical chance before calculating any modifiers to those parameters.
This is what the wiki says. So, even if it is considered melee, doesn't it mean that quirks or trinkets do not affect the damage output from riposte? I may be wrong because English is not my first language.
@@fihamakash502 That is what I originally thought as well. However if it is classified specifically as a melee attack in the riposte file, it should be able to take modifiers from melee bonuses. I guess I should have tested it thoroughly beforehand. I'll make sure to have an answer when I do the highwayman video.
I wonder then if abom's riposte skill in BC is actually ranged since skill itself is range.
Not like it actually matters though.
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@Vicente Dominic yea, have been watching on Flixzone} for since november myself :D
Its ok Shuffle, Dismas is the name of the class for me too.
My first run getting the game last week had Dismas get just wrecked with neg quirks and die the fourth run.
I named him Dismal and sent him on his way.
He starts with an amazing qurik +2 speed Dismas is a dude I invest heavily in every play through cuz hes a highway man with garenteed +2 speed and stun resist.
I just realized that the team name The Collection is called that because the MAA, V, HM are the three heads that the collector uses in his fight and the antiquarian is like the collector in this team so cool!
I didn't notice either! That's amazing!
Ironically that team would be pretty bad against the Collector. No wonder they lost and got turned into ghost heads.
It is good against the first darkest dungeon mission tho
Imagine HM and MAA Heads activating Riposte when you fight the Collector. X(
I love how Vestal bringing her NSFW fanfic book to the dungeons helps her stress heal.
Nothing soothes the mind more than the power of holy boners
It worked for Kakashi
I really enjoy that the old man is prone to dying of stress.
“I would not take this team to the weald. Not-not ever.”
Me, in the Weald with The Wall, in the middle of a 35 turn long collector fight: Ah.
Did you win?
@@webpombo7765 Yes :)
@webpombo7765 of course they won the collector couldn't take the wall
That last effect is a complete joke and I have no idea how that made it into game. It's probably the worst non-downside related effect in the entire game. First, bellow has to hit. Second, it has to debuff. Third, the enemy has to be marked by a different character. Fourth, you bank off a 5% crit increase.
My main issue with man at arms is that he's a tank in a game where offense is king. A lot of times I'm looking at crusader to fill a similar role but better. Sure he can't guard but why would you spend a turn to protect a squishy rather than simply buffing your team or taking out enemy?
This is a great point to make
Man at Arms can buff and has a great debuff, you must give him that
Because sometimes you need lest you get nuked in 2-3 turns. Some battles like the Prophet, Swine or Vvulf are hellish if you don't have MaA or an Occultist reducing the incoming damage
@@Guille2033 also a good point
MaA is high dmg setup hero, you just need to rotate guard, command and reposte. This way you deal dmg by reposting and get less dmg with guard and at the same time the whole team has high accuracy and crit. The guarded character does 25% more dmg as well. He's just so good with leper or helion or any high dmg hero
The official story of the man at arms is just a cover up for the fact that he is nick fury
*[Colour 2 MAA would like to know your location]*
reminder that percentile defenses like dodge get better the more you have of them
If an enemy has a 50% base chance to hit you, a 10 bonus to dodge reduces that to 40%, which is 20% less than before. Another 10 dodge reduces that to 30%, which is 25% less than before.
In other words when's the divina commedia guide shuffle
Resuming man at arms:
Step 1: Shout at the enemies
Step 2: Shout at allies
Step 3: Repeat rule 1and 2 again
Step 4: in case of problems see step 3
Step 5: *BONK*
@@peepeepoopoo7724but only in small and specific instances. Very old soul.
MAA is the first one to get afflicted, except when there's a Vestal. Vestal will always be the first to reach 100 stress.
Is there a reason for that?
Do man at arms actually get more stressed from attacks? (or get targeted more?)
@@Tomer-oy1hj Since he is often Guarding he will basically take the Stress attacks of two people, making him afflict twice as fast as any other char.
lol the antiquarian is named Bezos. Talking about money magnet.
The wall is clearly the best set up beacuse no one on earth can make it fall!
I if it does fall, it's gonna fall upon your crew and crush them all.
You go to and ya can't go through it, can't knock it down!
Hey shuff, small feedback here. I learned more about flagellant than MAA. You might consider making these guides more focused around characters. I know dd is more about comps and synergies than individual skill sets. But you get sidetracked about other characters and their builds,trinkets etc. When you return to the main character you are explaining i feel like "Ooh yeah, this was a MAA guide.". I have no idea how can you make it this deep but more focused around a character. You can find a way tho. Love the content and consistency. Thank you!
Thanks for that. I'll keep that in mind for the future guides
I wish rank 4 MaA was better. Darn you Red Hook!
MAA was so OP before the damage nerf, with 2 and a vestal I was able to beat [redacted] and [redacted] without using items.
I don’t know anything about 2 really but if 2 MAA and one Vestal can knock out bosses that’s insane. Very team dependent characters but they’re super strong?
I've been playing DD for almost 2 years now and for a while I wasn't great at it and I'd often just throw teams together and think very surface level about them but you're the reason I started getting better at the game. I would watch your video (and I have to say I love the long tutorials and tier lists cuz I just put 1 on and watch for ages) and you would open my eyes to a lot of fun things that work really well. You've managed to make me enjoy 1 of my favourite games even more.
Also I'd like to add that you're 1 of my favourite people 2 watch, not just in the DD community but on YT in general.
This is one of the most heartwarming comments I've ever gotten. Thank you so much!
Considering he's supposed to be an officer his design is pretty ingenious. He has a lot of things he could be doing but at the end of the day he needs to make a descion. He's most susceptible to stress. and though he can hold his own in melee it's often better to do something to set up a team mate rather than bashing someone with his mace.
Damn,that’s a pretty interesting take on his skillset
MAA is forever relegated to that hero I bring for Prophet and literally nothing else. Idk, I just am not a fan personally and would rather bring houndmaster if I want a guard hero.
Man At Arms not needs good damage. Because his HP decreases the Low damage's Bad effect. MAA Support hero nonetheless. He will take every sort of Damage. Thats why he exist.
Man, I know this is not about the video, but I love how you interact with your followers on twitch and how you create a friendly atmosphere, keep it up man, love watching you.
Never knew MAA's skill buffed the whole party, I never used it cause i thought buffing only one person wasn't worth it (it still isn't most of the time) but that's just so much better
Its unfortunate cause MAA I honestly use the least, though his buffs are really good which is why I usually like to take him
Kek, you named your Highwayman DisMISS. That'pretty damn clever.
dictionary says both pronunciations of "flagellant" are acceptable -- don't listen to the canadians ;)
Thank God for this video. I've had this guy in my roster for a while but I couldn't figure out what to do with him. All of his strengths are just not my playstyle, but after this video I'll go ahead and give him a fair shot.
I think you are too hard on atonement beads. You'd be willing to slot Dazling charm for 10 stun chance but if you're already using the diary then I just see it as minus virtue for a +35 stun which is amazing. My rank 3 vestal uses the CC set all the time and I love the extra stun. It's really work trying. Otherwise love the guide def gonna try using more MAA
The Atonement Beads are kind of a psychological trap. The fact that they're all but useless on their own makes them feel like a waste of a slot even though the benefits you get from the full set are much more valuable than a lot of other trinkets you could put on instead. It's a net gain, but it feels like a loss anyway.
I actually tried a 2nd place Vestal today with Guard and her buff provided by Hand of Light and with no crit (if I remember correctly), she could hit up to 27 with Mace Bash on a Bloodsucking enemy. She saved the whole mission almost by herself.
Mah man, you totally butchered Flagellant's pronounciation. It fla-TU-lent
Gotta disagree with the bellow critique, hardly ever misses and when it does stick, you get to go first with everyone and kill the enemy team before they stress or crit you. Saves my ass a lot.
I've since changed my opinion on bellow after making this video. It is p dang good I agree.
I personally LOVED using Rank 4 MAA for my very first run of Wolves at the Door, on a team of MAA-BH-Occ-Flag. Really made myself vulnerable to stress by giving him his own head, but holy shit was it worth trivializing Vvulf's entire boss mechanic. As it turns out, 40ish damage bombs can't really do shit against 80% PROT and trinket-buffed Reclaim heals. With that taken care of... the fight wasn't _easy,_ but it was certainly manageable given that you're just fighting off straightforward shit like bleed, direct damage, and stress at that point, rather than all of that PLUS a nuclear bomb every round.
Hope i’m not too late.
Alright so for a Rank 4 MaA comp i would pair it with the jester in rank 3. Battle Ballad and Command together can get your party to +40 ACC & CRIT. MaA Bellow can nerf the enemy depending on the dungeon(ex: cove would be easy to debuff) Due to having so much CRIT & ACC the front liners will destroy the enemy and heal stress, meaning Jester can focus stress healing the MaA. The only issue with the comp is consistent healing because you will not be able to run a standard Vestal and Hitting the back row. So to circumvent this you can bring 1. a lot of food or 2. front line Occultist, seeing as his much CRIT the party will have his heals may be better than usual and MaA can guard him so that he isn’t exposed while in the front, also you would have to play Daemons pull to reach the back liners and would be forced to choose between Sacrificial Stab, Weakening Curse or Vulnerability Hex. Option 3. is using a Support Crusader with Focus on Battle Heal as jester has Stress healing covered. Although Crusader will not be able to deal with the back line enemies like occultist.
My Comp would be in order of rank 4-1
MAA,JESTER,OCC,CRU
Goal of Trying to aim for consistent healing
If you do replace one of the front liners i would suggest having heroes that can have high Stun Chance seeing as you won’t want Foes to interfere with this strategy. Heroes such as ABOM, HEL, BH would be able to replace one of the two. ABOM due to his trinkets giving +55% stun skill chance, HEL due to YAWP, and BH due to Uppercut and Flash-bang as well as his compatibility with Finish him against stunned enemies and being able to take advantage of the high CRIT chance.
I like man at arms for the riposte and that's pretty much it, I always run a healer with him because I expect him to be heavily targeted , sadly sometimes enemies love to hit everyone except the marked tank tho :(
So bellow you use when you want to rob the enemy of their next turn. That it has to hit and debuff is obviously major drawbacks, I agree. But I consider it essential for hallway fights just because you're almost guaranteed to go before the enemy if it hits, with all champions, before even fast enemies.
Battle ballad is not as huge a speed buff as bellow, -7 speed is really what bellow is about. But again, I agree that to hit and to debuff doesn't feel ideal in many situations.
Then I'm not really using Jester with Man at arm, so I tend to lean towards bellow.
I like using MAA with Shieldbreaker; primarily to guard her as she uses her moves and doesn't need to setup the blocks. After that, it's either Bolster during her nightmares, or that move I already forgot the name of that increases damage, accuracy and crit for that sweet Impale-
Edit: I also like QuickDraw Charm or other speed boosts, just so he can activate his buffs before the party goes so they benefit from it immediately
I am gonna be that guy. His weapon is a morning star, not a mace :)
I don't know why some people see Bellow as a bad skill. It's lowering dodge is not very useful, but the reduced speed is very useful to take out an enemy or two before they'd otherwise get their action, effectively giving your party 2 or 3 extra actions per battle, while taking the same number away from enemies. In the long dungeons this can be extremely useful, saving you from dozens of enemy actions that would otherwise harm and inflict your party.
The argument isn't about its numbers but the likeliness of it to actually hit the enemy
Most enemies have low debuff resistance, but like most skills you're going to use often, it helps to put on a trinket that boosts it. The skill isn't very useful against bosses, but against mobs it can effectively give your party 3 extra actions per battle with slight increase to hit. All of those extra actions really add up.
never use this one
Holy moly that triple Crit in the intro physically hurts me.
Appreciate this guide a lot cuz MAA is the class that always dies the most for me
I don't think bellow is necessarily a bad skill, I just think Man-At-Arms usually has a better option in any given moment
I’ve found that bellow works well in high control teams with heroes like pd and another stun. You can stun 3 enemies and bellow to move their turn even further back
almost an hour? come on now...
Roming boss with 7pt Blight? Is that Thing?
Yep
I don't think Bellow in this character is a Weakness. He can weaken all 4 enemies at once at the start. That is very helpful.
Run a team with a lot of stuns and bellow let’s you get two turns before the enemy gets one
The problem with your bellow hatred is that you're comparing it to jester's battle bailed in a vacuum and not considering the character those moves are attached to
The guy has twice as much health as jester and multiple (placement flexible) full team buffs, it's a false equivalence
It's kind of sad...
Man at arms is so guilt ridden that he focuses too much on guarding his teammates, instead of crushing his enemies. His whole skillset is focused around support, but that causes him to take on too much of the pressure and eventually succumb to it via a heart attack or just being afflicted.
If he let his teammates take on some of the burden, maybe he wouldn't die to stress so easily.
MAA when he first came out was funny broken, look it up if you haven't seen it yet
Thank you for these very comprehensive guides
completely agree -- really helping me get back into the game 5 years since I last played
He can in rank 4, but it's meh...
*B roll shows MaA in Rank 4*
Bellow is pretty good in pvp where stress becomes something you can use to get an early kill on your opponent
Abusive man at arms always uses bellow for his passive... at his teammates...
ANyone who pronounces Flagellent as Fla-GEL-ant needs to get their cranium checked.
Flagellation is pronounced as FLA-gel-ation.
FlaGELant is assuming that the name comes from Flagella of cells, not from Flagelation
i cannot wait for you to make content on Darkest dungeon 2
will you be getting the early access?
Yes :)
@@ShuffleFM hehehehe *excitement*
Shuffle can you do a party comp video. Specificaly the Crimson Hand. I crushed the late game with that team.
Might be easy enough to do that I can put it together in a day. Do you mean of the pre-made teams or just teams in general?
@@ShuffleFM maybe just some of the more well known named teams. Crimson hand, Usual Suspects, The Wall etc. Ones you think are best or poll for community favorites.
Pos 4 Man At Arms
Pos 3 HighwayMan/Bounty
Pos 2 Occulist
Pos 1 HighwayMan/Leper
won maybe 5-6 boss with this build even against Hag/Siren
I've noticed in the last team comp, the Wall, when you said that you start off with Rampart and holy lance: in the background fight in the Warrens, you didn't actually use Rampart until Round 3, and you used Command and Defend instead.
Which surprised me cause you let the pig vomit on you like 3 times. In my experience, almost every other pig vomit results in a horrible disease 😅
I'm guessing maybe it's because you got a surprise round, so you favored a buff? Maybe the spear throwing pig was more threatening? Maybe cause there were no stress casters? (altho I thought the vomit pig counted as one) I don't know. Maybe I will figure it out with more experience
If MMA starts in 3 and then moves to 4 will his reposte still work?
He starts in 3, first move reposte then gets moved to 4.
This reads REALLY awkward, but hopefully someone understands what I am asking.
Yeah riposte triggers anywhere :)
@@ShuffleFM thanks.
Also, just it has not been said in awhile, your videos on DD are really helpful- even year/s later and after watching multiple times. Plus they are entertaining.
Oh, I didn't know you could command and THEN guard. I always thought you had to guard before commanding for some reason..
Something I'm noticing in my playthrough about bellow is that is one of those moves that is better on early game! I feel like command, which I also love, needs more time to build up. Early game there are 1-2 enemies with evasion and bellow usually hits. Later on you can fail virtually every attack, included bellow. But hitting wise, I think lvl 1 and 2 bellow is better than command.
Team Rank 4, replace the Flagellant with the Crusader, Rank 2 Bounty with Highwayman and rank 3 Bounty with Vestal. You will activate the team name "The Walking Heads"
Bellow Debuff is stackable, tested last night, putting enemies -30 Dodge, -21 Speed,
after 3 times at level 2
I love it
Was that a bahroo reference at the start? Or is the getting off the lawn a common meme?
It's common, at least to me. Though I have watched my share of Bahroo so maybe it was subliminal lol
I instantly thought of Gran Torino when shuff said that haha
Man at arms is such an awesome skill set. And I love the fact he has a riposte be cause of how much I dislike highwayman. Why, God why did highwayman have to be the only other riposte skill? Wasted.
Just for the memes I like to run MAA with trinkets that boost prot by 45 and then guard heroes. You can hit 85 prot and then I shuffle him around with jester or shieldbreaker
Gotta say I think alot of people sleep on Crush. Sure, it doesn't hit for alot. But sometimes you low roll a hit with someone else and need just that little bit of extra damage to clean it up and a dead enemy doesn't do damage/stress. The fact that it can even hit rank 3 is nice. As has been said before, with MAA its hard because almost every one of his buttons wants to be pushed and there are arguments to be made for each
I LOVE the stress reduce of bolster more than the dodge. Dodge is good but -%20 stress makes stress management almost taken care of early to mid game and late game it gives you a huge boost IMO.
good setup is when you take party like arbalest- antiquarian- highwayman- and man at arms. so antiquarcian forces highwayman to guard her and man at arms guards arbalest and boost her dmg. also antiquarian with healing trinkets should work well with a little heal boost from arbalest. but it wont work well against massive stress runs. :D eventually swap arbalest for jester ..
Seeing this video now after dismissing my only Man at Arms lol he seems like a good support character
Wonder if stacking virtue chance on him is at least an okay strat.
What else is he doing with his trinket slots, you know?
Pros: Loud
Cons: Old
I visualized man at arms shouting at people to get out of his lawn, threatening to bonk them with a mace
He’s literally me
Hi I’m new to the channel and the game. I ran a rank four MAA before I found this video; I am 7 minutes in but I want to say my answer to the stress problem is dodge. Funny word that, dodge…so obviously Antiquarian, PD, and Arbbys lol
Hey it happened as soon as I got done typing. Fate is funny like that.
Commenting because of stupid youtube crap
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10 years after darkest dungeon release:"Darkest Dungeon and you"
When MAA is in rank 4, I would drop bellow or one of the buffs for SOMETHING that does damage. I did this version in rank 4 and watched in horror as my party got killed because rank 1 died and then things snowballed. Treat MAA in 4 like crusader in 1, you may never press holy spear, but imagine needing to and not having it! Love your videos. My runs have improved by a lot from watching them. STUN STUN STUN! Also, the cove is becoming my favorite zone for the coral.
Do you mean running an attack move in case he gets moved out of position? That's certainly something worth considering.
@@ShuffleFM yeah, basically my man at arms was the last one standing in a party wipe and had no way out
Maybe you know it. If you take Jester and Flag you can heal stress very effective. Jester play Inspiring Tune on Flag. Flag use Endure and absorb all team stress. You need gave Flag -% stress trinket. Inspiring tune buff stress resist. Flag take less and less stress. Yes, you spare 2 turns on 1 thing (stress heal). Someone can say - take 2 Jesters and jobs done. But Flag can fieght, heal HP, heal stress - I prefer Flag than second Jester. First turn: Jester Battle ballade, rest team stun/kill fos. When dangeros enemys dead recovery phase. Jest Inspiring tune on flag, Flag Endure, rest team stun/heal HP. Sorry bad english. I use it for free stress heal afflicted heroes from previus run (if i had them). I rarely trhow my money on stress heal. Go in dungeon With stressed hero a bit scary. but if first fieght not stress heavy i can recovery affliction.
Jester and flagellant are a great stress heal duo :)
@@ShuffleFM that is wrong rank 4 manatarm team. rank 4 manatarm team is centered around two characters.
1) plague doctor
2) leper Or Shieldbreaker
The idea behind team is that manatarms at rank 4 has command. command gives accuracy and damage boost to a single ally who is guarded. The idea is to make front-line characters into hyper damage carries. There are two possibles candidates to boost and those two are Leper and Shieldbreaker. One issue with Leper is that although he has high damage, Most enemies in front-line have very high prod. so this highly offsets his high damage. You can argue shieldbreaker is just a better Leper because he ignores prod but he also has 10% damage penalty and he is squishy. well thanks to manatarms, he's not squishy.
The team is Manatarms, Plague doctor, Antiquarian, Leper/Shieldbreaker.
Manatarms: Turn 1, you shield leper or shieldbreaker. This redirect damage to manatarms -> All other turns are spend on pressing command on leper or shieldbreaker who ramp up to deal damage.
Antiquarian has to press "Protect me" on Manatarms, This stacks to give Manatarms like 60% prod and gives manatarm double redirection of damage. The other turns are spend on healing manatarms(Run healing trinkets on her), using Festering Vepers on high blight resistance enemies for plague doctor noxiume or using flashpowder bully last enemy that is alive for plague doctor to heal. In leper variant, Blight damage is only counter to High prod enemies.
Plague doctor is a healer for manatarms. Do note she is only character who is not protected in this composition. her turn 1 is blinding gas. The other turns are spent healing Manatarms. you want healing trinkets on plague doctor to stack with manatarm's artifact. She can cure manatarm's bleed and blight and camping skill can cure disease. noxiume fumes can work vestering veper and flashpowder.
Leper main move is Chop. Shieldbreaker's main move is Pierce. they do big damage when boosted with command.
It is somewhat joke composition to run but you can run it in mid game. its not good early because you need manatarm's artifact to run it and antiquarian's early game offensive is not very good, neither are leper's inaccuracy ratings and the team is very fragile when it comes displacements and stuns. Manatarms gets no bonus if he is not in position 4. Plague doctor is heal is not good without trickets. Leper is useless if he is not in position 1/2 and shieldbreaker's early game is not good either. Antiquarian has move to go back, but no moves to go forward and her level 1 moves are terrible offensive. Its shame manatarms cannot use retribution at rank 4, but I assume they really wanted manatarms to use guard->command. The composition would be so much better in early game if he could use it on rank 4.
At least retribution is broken in darkest dungeon 2 so there is that.
Could you please make a guide for a Helion? I've been struggling to keep her alive .
Of course! I'm hoping to get every class covered before DD2.
Shuffle why wasn't his -33% stress on crit? :(
Like -33 stress if he crits as a stress heal? That would be so busted but also kinda fun haha
excelent video buddy
Just recently discovered your channel after getting this game + all DLC on sale for about $12 like 2 weeks ago. Really enjoy your hard work.
Still don't know how to use shieldbreaker or antiquarian. Guess I have more videos to watch.
That's a great sale. Thanks for watching :)
Wenis
Easily the worst and most frustrating character to me. I can do more damage with an antiquarian ffs. Actually he may be an antiquarian with lots of hp+prot and lacking the ability to make tons of money. I'll watch this video some 5 more times before trying to get something good out of him again.
Looking forward to this one
love you shuffle
The man at arms LOVES when an antiquarian is in the same team comp. Also, getting him stressed to proc a virtue, with a backup stress healer to reset any afflictions.
still my least favourite class, but has it's uses
Yesterday I created a riposte-guard team that ran like a very rude clock. Antiquarian, Highwayman, Vestal, Man at Arms from back to front.
Basically you set up riposte for both fighters, then the antiquarian uses Protect Me on the highwayman while the man at arms guards the healer. Any time anyone gets attacked you get a counter.
Oh I see that team is in the video 😆
I tend to run highwayman in three instead of two though.
there's a reason my only man at arms was level 3 when Vvulf showed up. lucky, shield breaker serpent sway OP. needs a rework
i've run a team with rank 4 MAA where it starts as HWM/MAA/VEST/LEP and the HWM always pistol shots then duelists, giving MAA time to riposte first turn. its not too bad