We tried to film on a LED Volume and this is what happened.
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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Hitchcock and others were doing rear projection a long time ago. Nothing new, just new technology.
Great overview Spencer! I worked with an LED wall most of 2022. We were still working out a lot of kinks. We didn’t have a very large space and screen, our biggest issue is moire. You have to make sure the subject is further away from the screen than the camera is to the subject.
That limited what kinds of shots would could achieve, and clients always wasn’t to go wide, which wasn’t ideal.
I think if your working on a volume that doesn’t wrap around you have to nail your lighting to make it look realistic.
Overall! I think it’s super convenient if you need a specific shot like being on a mountaintop, this is much easier to achieve!
These LED walls are super interesting. Definitely adds a lot to the planning stages too, planning is my biggest weakness so far
Planning is one of the most underlooked filmmaking steps.
Where on earth is this low budget?!
Lighting these days is all kinds of awesome. So many options. Great video and look at how you do it.
Great video. Can you create a video explaining the economics of short films?
Is this in OKC somewhere? Is it Storypixel's?
I'd love to make a lower cost / mode DiY version of this with a bunch of high powered projectors.
4 for the bakc waall kind of like 4 big panels, one on each side for light texture and maybe onw overhead?
The ones on the side wouldn't need to be great image quality wise but have tons of output.
On the consumer end if you even went with sime LG CineBeams short throw projectors that's 7 projectors ... 4 in a grid for the pback panel ... I wonder how soemthing like that would work.
We were just talking about these at the studio today. Definitely seems like the way forward.
Low Budget compared to what? 😅 Apart from that: super interesting video!
Can you give us the name of the LED facility you shot this at ?
Sorry if I missed something - but how exactly is this low budget? Even renting this space hourly seems insanely expensive
Now wat I have seen this guy is just bragging 😢that he gat one
Happy holidays Spencer!!! Love how you keep at it! And unreal engine is nuts!
I was waiting for you to step out of your "sunlight" setting and revealed it as the LED wall... :-)
Understood
Low budget filmmaking? these walls aren't cheap.
Compared to going to those locations... way cheaper
@@zakkincaid A field with trees? A desert scrub? Perhaps if the production isn't near those locales, and they are absolutely necessary, this would be cheaper.
But if there are nearby real-world environments, then cannot imagine the volume is (yet) the better value. Of course, it eventually will be cheaper than nearly everything, but not yet, not today.
Keep in mind a permit to shoot on public property in LA can be $1000 a day per location, you move around the corner to an adjacent street ...that can be considered a secondary location! You get rained out? Sorry still $1000 lol so yes it's a massive investment upfront but the return for a small movie studio could be realized rather quickly. Also I'm guessing a producer, especially a low budget one isn't buying one, they're renting it from a production house. Just thought I'd throw that in to put it in perspective a bit
@@jeffoberg685 But those rentals are going to cost just as much…
To get PROPER volume stages it costs well over 2k a day. Not some cheap concert screens some jo blow bought and strapped a vive controller. hat’s not including your techs / building the staging etc. It will be cheaper eventually. But it is definitely not a “low budget” solution. I have already been burned by producers who where convinced they would save money by using these volumes because they where “cheaper”.
On your shutter - was all your signal path in sync? from camera to Unreal to processor diving wall? Genlock?
Looks fantastic btw.
No genlock for this setup. Shutter was put at 144 to match tho. Which worked for this setup
This was really neat to see a little bts and your experience with these walls. Thank you. Would love to know what LED wall was used, if you happen to know. Looking into one for our studio.
Question regarding post . What did color space did you guys shoot on the camera vs what’s being displayed on the wall . For example if you shoot slog3 on the camera would you want your led volume to also be slog 3 being displayed so it makes it easier to color in post . Or do you do a custom lut and pick either 709, pq or hdr to display and shoot the same ?
These specific panels were not HDR so we just used REC709 I believe and then just treated the background like a real scenario
What kind of budget ARE we talkin? Looks like you put together a nice crew and there’s some cool footage being shot. Do you have a solid VFX solution in place for this project? I assume with the photogrammetry and the unreal pipeline that’s probably a yes. If you need additional VFX help I’d love to demonstrate my capabilities.
Compelling. How low is the 'low budget' to use a volume?
They've been around a while now.
There’s nothing low budget about this lol we use 3-D walls for a lot of marvel movies at Manhattan Beach studios along with the Mandalorian show also. Nonetheless great job using this tech
This is Great! Yeah but...What got me interested in Filmmaking years and years ago, was filming on location with various lenses. Telephoto..wide angle....(see films of the late 1960's and early 1970's) Sugarland Express, Bullitt...or Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.
I thought that virtual production set-up and services, pre- production, is very expensive. How can this be a low budget option?
It's not :)
the only real expense in this situation are things like the LED Volumes and other hardware stuff. Another thing is you cut a lot of costs by using LED walls by not having to pay rent for locations and you don't have to move actors and crews around. And you don't have to hire people to create full studio sets like a kitchen room or something. This is a vastly superior option budget wise. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually smaller studios open up for indie filmmakers who have a much more affordable option for things like this. I for one would love to shoot music videos with something like this
@Chicken Pasta Do you need to create the virtual environment and characters as well as to pay for shooting in VP studio. I was quoted at between $15K to $40K a day before props, live production and actors & extras.
I enjoyed your video on LED Volume BUT.....
some notes on the harness and rig for the performer
1 the wooden cube is unfit for purpose - professional stunt riggers would use Box truss -eg Tomcat or Global etc
2 she is wearing a safety harness designed for working at height (ie MEWP operators are mandated to wear them by OSHA) they are NOT designed for performing in - this would NEVER be used on productions by people who professionally put actors on lines.
it should be a harness from Climbing Sutra - which would have 99 pick points and is designed for performer flying.
3 the lines attached to her harness !! - They should be low profile spliced tech 12 (or similar HMPE lines) with small WIchard performer shackles
No professional rigger would use carabiners as an attachment from lines to a performers harness - looks very unprofessional
Looks like Overholser 😂😂😂
But this a expensive 😢but how much a there,I want to get one after seeing this series of Star Wars and now am seeing indie films on them
Hello Spencer!
Any chance I could use some vacation days to help out on a future short film? Looking to fly down and help out as a camera PA, or 2nd - 1st AC.