Tantra teachings and practice of meditations have helped me getting out of my own created fantasy worlds, stories mental movies and victimhood. I started seeing ignorance in the outside and realized It was my own ignorance. I found some bliss in doing what I do not want to do.. a bit strange I still can not put words on It. Million thanks Hareesh for your teachings and meditations which you have made available for all. ❤❤❤
It's so stupid but for such a long time I thought it was considered "lesser" to work with the body and emotions... but I have always really wanted that. But now it's like screw those opinions. I love this digesting. Why would the body or emotions be lesser? It's all one in the end and these individuations is how we play the divine game ❤
Teacher Hareesh 🙏 As per your mentioning of the etymology of "Tantra".. I have a question.. I'm here comparing "Tantric nonduality" to the "direct path" versions of nonduality as per for example Advaita Vedanta, Dzogchen or Zen etc.. Could it be said (from your view) that Tantra is a more accessible or perhaps a more "realistic" expression of the nondual experience (wholism) than these other so called "direct path" (or simply "direct") practices are? I dont mean to be disparaging of these other ways, it's just that in my experience Tantra (I study and practice Vajrayana and "Yoga") seems to work with the "dirty-ness" of life as it comes up rather than trying to delete the dirty-ness. And so it (Tantra as a methodolgy) feels more like REAL (or immediate?) nonduality to me more so than these other "direct" practices do (I also practice Zen & Tib Mahamudra) in that Tantric nonduality (if it can even be distinguished as that) seems to work with "what is" without any kind of judgement even MORE than they do. So simply put, is Tantra in your view, the REAL version of nonduality? Thanks 🙏❤
I wouldn't go that far -- some versions of Zen, Mahāmudrā, or Dzogchen emphasize communion with reality just as much as nondual Shaiva Tantra does. It really just depends on who's teaching. One can highlight one or another of the many aspects of these traditions in one's pedagogical approach.
Hello Christopher there is an important question to me I would love to have you answer. Have you ever heard or seen of any prophecy fortelling or incident in which Kali is said to come to earth or be reincarnated into a physical avatar ?
The idea that the body is the temple of God is also in the Bible. That particular way of wording it is probably more a direct influence from the Bible.
@@christopherwallis751 1 Corinthians 6:19 (NASB) "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?"
What is real yoga? Listening to you, it sounds very much like Tantra is akin to self reflection and the practice of communion with reality. But you cannot truly commune with reality if the chattering mind reuses to stay still. Not picking on Tantra but all religions that practice their own rituals, mass etc. You can have all the right intentions, all the incense and candles burning, the auspicious occasion and a majestic altar but the mind will nevertheless drift off into other thoughts. Try holding the mind in contemplation of a divine aspect, even in a relaxed way. Within a few minutes, the mind will revolt and begin to wander, simply because it’s bored to death. This is the real world reality you will be facing. On the other hand, the mind is effortlessly held stead only when pleasure is experienced, the greater the pleasure, the greater its stillness, the greater the clarity. This is Patanjali. This is Veda. All other mind training techniques to hold the chattering mind steady are doomed to fail.
"The mind is effortlessly held stead only when pleasure is experienced" ~ We don't find that teaching in Patañjali's Yoga-sūtras at all, or in Vedic texts, but we do find it in a Tantrik text (see the link below). In fact what you wrote towards the end there is almost a paraphrase of exactly what this Tantrik text says. Your teachers have misinformed you as to the true sources of what you have learned. hareesh.org/blog/2018/3/9/the-blossoming-of-your-awareness
I did read the link you provided. But one thing I should clear up. I had no teacher. As a matter of fact, I knew nothing of the Vedas or even knew what the word yogi meant. I had never read the story of the Buddha but have only heard of a religion called Buddhism. I went alone on my own looking for God. Not knowing if a real God existed but only knowing is that is what I was told in Sunday school church. Back to the subject at hand. It’s one thing for Tantrik text to easily say but it is quite another thing in Tantra’s real life practices. Cultivating the stillness in between thoughts or in between sense perception is not stilling the mind. The chattering mind does not come under your control in that way. And no amount of effort or will can stop a chattering mind. Can a person will himself into being happy or experience joy? Of course not. But it is only when the mind’s attention is directed toward pleasure that it gain steadfastness. Steadfastness and the Absolute are integrally linked thoughout the Gita. And all the talk of making the mind “one pointed” is about the self directing tendency of the mind to effortlessly turn and become fixated on a pleasurable experience. The reason why people find Patanjali practice so arduous is because they are wrongfully using their own efforts and will to still the mind. That exhausting practice will never work because boredom sets in and the mind will revolt. In Veda, Patanjali and Buddha, perception is directed inwardly away from the senses. Transcending into the subconscious is indeed very enjoyable. That is what holds the mind effortlessly steady. If our minds have the ability to effortlessly turn our attention towards pleasure then why isn’t it turning inwardly, on its own? What is the mechanism to get the mind’s self-directing tendency to effortlessly turn inwardly toward the Absolute? The Absolute being non-material and complete within itself means Tantra practices will forever remain bound and shackled to the material corporeal world because reality is experienced though the senses. Don’t get me wrong, there is real joy, pleasure and bliss to be experienced in the sensory material world but it is fleeting.
What I’m understanding, the goal of Tantra is not to become perfect by being in union with the divine Self(Atman) because you already are an embody divinity and just need to realize it. No, No, No and again No! You are not a God or a demigod, no matter how hard you want to convince yourself. You and I are humans. Atman alone is divine. Atman alone is perfect. Atman alone is stainless. The originators of Tantra could not figure out how to still the mind or how to turn towards divinity, so they came up with a simpler method to still the mind, self reflection, ritual worship and call that the truer, more complete understanding of yoga.
@@richardhernandez6937 Atman literally means 'self'. As in, YOUR true Self. I won't be replying anymore because you are too profoundly confused, my friend. Please, get yourself a teacher.
Tantra teachings and practice of meditations have helped me getting out of my own created fantasy worlds, stories mental movies and victimhood. I started seeing ignorance in the outside and realized It was my own ignorance. I found some bliss in doing what I do not want to do.. a bit strange I still can not put words on It. Million thanks Hareesh for your teachings and meditations which you have made available for all. ❤❤❤
Wonderful!! It is beginning to help me too. ❤
Love simplicity of the language and a high value of knowledge snippets that two of you drop into the hands of listeners during this interview
Arrgh!! So good!!! I love this talk!!!! Digest emotions.. yes!! ❤❤❤
It's so stupid but for such a long time I thought it was considered "lesser" to work with the body and emotions... but I have always really wanted that. But now it's like screw those opinions. I love this digesting. Why would the body or emotions be lesser? It's all one in the end and these individuations is how we play the divine game ❤
Teacher Hareesh 🙏
As per your mentioning of the etymology of "Tantra"..
I have a question..
I'm here comparing "Tantric nonduality" to the "direct path" versions of nonduality as per for example Advaita Vedanta, Dzogchen or Zen etc..
Could it be said (from your view) that Tantra is a more accessible or perhaps a more "realistic" expression of the nondual experience (wholism) than these other so called "direct path" (or simply "direct") practices are?
I dont mean to be disparaging of these other ways, it's just that in my experience Tantra (I study and practice Vajrayana and "Yoga") seems to work with the "dirty-ness" of life as it comes up rather than trying to delete the dirty-ness.
And so it (Tantra as a methodolgy) feels more like REAL (or immediate?) nonduality to me more so than these other "direct" practices do (I also practice Zen & Tib Mahamudra) in that Tantric nonduality (if it can even be distinguished as that) seems to work with "what is" without any kind of judgement even MORE than they do.
So simply put, is Tantra in your view, the REAL version of nonduality?
Thanks
🙏❤
I wouldn't go that far -- some versions of Zen, Mahāmudrā, or Dzogchen emphasize communion with reality just as much as nondual Shaiva Tantra does. It really just depends on who's teaching. One can highlight one or another of the many aspects of these traditions in one's pedagogical approach.
Hello Christopher there is an important question to me I would love to have you answer. Have you ever heard or seen of any prophecy fortelling or incident in which Kali is said to come to earth or be reincarnated into a physical avatar ?
No.
Looking for the link to Abhinavagupta's Gita interpretation please
the Gītārtha-saṅgraha of Abhinavagupta has been translated by Boris Marjanovic, but the translation is not really satisfactory.
I appreciate this interview but the interviewer talks really really fast lol
The idea that the body is the temple of God is also in the Bible. That particular way of wording it is probably more a direct influence from the Bible.
@@goblinsdammit citation please?
@@christopherwallis751 1 Corinthians 6:19 (NASB) "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?"
What is real yoga? Listening to you, it sounds very much like Tantra is akin to self reflection and the practice of communion with reality. But you cannot truly commune with reality if the chattering mind reuses to stay still. Not picking on Tantra but all religions that practice their own rituals, mass etc. You can have all the right intentions, all the incense and candles burning, the auspicious occasion and a majestic altar but the mind will nevertheless drift off into other thoughts. Try holding the mind in contemplation of a divine aspect, even in a relaxed way. Within a few minutes, the mind will revolt and begin to wander, simply because it’s bored to death. This is the real world reality you will be facing. On the other hand, the mind is effortlessly held stead only when pleasure is experienced, the greater the pleasure, the greater its stillness, the greater the clarity. This is Patanjali. This is Veda. All other mind training techniques to hold the chattering mind steady are doomed to fail.
"The mind is effortlessly held stead only when pleasure is experienced" ~ We don't find that teaching in Patañjali's Yoga-sūtras at all, or in Vedic texts, but we do find it in a Tantrik text (see the link below). In fact what you wrote towards the end there is almost a paraphrase of exactly what this Tantrik text says. Your teachers have misinformed you as to the true sources of what you have learned.
hareesh.org/blog/2018/3/9/the-blossoming-of-your-awareness
I did read the link you provided. But one thing I should clear up. I had no teacher. As a matter of fact, I knew nothing of the Vedas or even knew what the word yogi meant. I had never read the story of the Buddha but have only heard of a religion called Buddhism. I went alone on my own looking for God. Not knowing if a real God existed but only knowing is that is what I was told in Sunday school church. Back to the subject at hand. It’s one thing for Tantrik text to easily say but it is quite another thing in Tantra’s real life practices. Cultivating the stillness in between thoughts or in between sense perception is not stilling the mind. The chattering mind does not come under your control in that way. And no amount of effort or will can stop a chattering mind. Can a person will himself into being happy or experience joy? Of course not. But it is only when the mind’s attention is directed toward pleasure that it gain steadfastness. Steadfastness and the Absolute are integrally linked thoughout the Gita. And all the talk of making the mind “one pointed” is about the self directing tendency of the mind to effortlessly turn and become fixated on a pleasurable experience. The reason why people find Patanjali practice so arduous is because they are wrongfully using their own efforts and will to still the mind. That exhausting practice will never work because boredom sets in and the mind will revolt. In Veda, Patanjali and Buddha, perception is directed inwardly away from the senses. Transcending into the subconscious is indeed very enjoyable. That is what holds the mind effortlessly steady. If our minds have the ability to effortlessly turn our attention towards pleasure then why isn’t it turning inwardly, on its own? What is the mechanism to get the mind’s self-directing tendency to effortlessly turn inwardly toward the Absolute? The Absolute being non-material and complete within itself means Tantra practices will forever remain bound and shackled to the material corporeal world because reality is experienced though the senses. Don’t get me wrong, there is real joy, pleasure and bliss to be experienced in the sensory material world but it is fleeting.
What I’m understanding, the goal of Tantra is not to become perfect by being in union with the divine Self(Atman) because you already are an embody divinity and just need to realize it. No, No, No and again No! You are not a God or a demigod, no matter how hard you want to convince yourself. You and I are humans. Atman alone is divine. Atman alone is perfect. Atman alone is stainless. The originators of Tantra could not figure out how to still the mind or how to turn towards divinity, so they came up with a simpler method to still the mind, self reflection, ritual worship and call that the truer, more complete understanding of yoga.
@@richardhernandez6937 Atman literally means 'self'. As in, YOUR true Self.
I won't be replying anymore because you are too profoundly confused, my friend. Please, get yourself a teacher.