Beats Are Too Cheap? Sonny Digital Exposes Beat Selling.

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  • Опубліковано 19 гру 2024

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  • @DJPain1
    @DJPain1  12 днів тому +10

    The best DRUM KIT for 2025? Get it here: bsta.rs/R1GBL

    • @BossieSickadye-music
      @BossieSickadye-music 12 днів тому +1

      I am a recording artist but I make my own beats. How can I sell beats? I have a BeatStars account. I am getting better at beat making

    • @michaeldaniels8818
      @michaeldaniels8818 12 днів тому +1

      does it come with stems and does it come with a license for terms of use is it royalty free ?

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +3

      @@michaeldaniels8818 the starters come with stems and the kit is mostly one shots with a few folders of different types of loops. All drum sounds and drum loops are royalty free. The original samples are a 20% split only if you get a major placement or synch license

    • @emptytombprod
      @emptytombprod 11 днів тому

      ​@DJPain1 **sync.. had to seize the opportunity.. I might not ever get it again 😂😂😂

    • @MWMKC
      @MWMKC 11 днів тому

      Send yo direct email or num. Need to get wit u asap big bro

  • @Crazysteve0017
    @Crazysteve0017 12 днів тому +61

    Any artist that's not willing to buy beats or make their own beats and are still stealing beats off UA-cam aren't real artists 💯

    • @koolaid1982
      @koolaid1982 12 днів тому +3

      AMEN ITS TACKY TO 💀ESPECIALLY ON YOUR CHANNEL

    • @joelrene1559
      @joelrene1559 12 днів тому +5

      They're still real artists for creating, but they are going to run into legal troubles.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +6

      @@joelrene1559 among other problems

    • @EmperorKamikaze
      @EmperorKamikaze 12 днів тому

      For creating what? ​@@joelrene1559

    • @darkcharmrecords
      @darkcharmrecords 12 днів тому +3

      "Good artists copy, great artists steal" -
      Pablo Picasso.
      One of the biggest artists of all time

  • @prodbyhostile
    @prodbyhostile 11 днів тому +13

    We don’t spend hundreds to thousands on equipment, daw’s, sound packs etc. and our time just to give our creations away or for dirt.

  • @2hiptae
    @2hiptae 8 днів тому +1

    Very well said Pain! I appreciate ya! 💯💯💯

  • @im_avg_joe
    @im_avg_joe 12 днів тому +16

    ANYONE who complains about what Sonny Digital is charging for beats, yet spending the SAME price for a pair of shoes that puts money in Nike's and Jordan's pockets really needs to stop bitching about music that has longevity over a pair of shoes manufactured in a sweat shop in China! Yea, I went there! #KnowYourWorth!

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +3

      @@im_avg_joe 🎯

    • @GoodBaleadaMusic
      @GoodBaleadaMusic 11 днів тому

      I bet those shoes average more than 14,000 steps because that's how many plays per beat made sunny digital gets. If Sonny digital wants his music out there and heard he should publish together with these artists. Beat makers are not better than the artists. Especially not in 2024. You better write something

    • @Invisible-Rhino
      @Invisible-Rhino 2 дні тому

      @@GoodBaleadaMusic they're not worse either

  • @mafiamusicfamily
    @mafiamusicfamily 12 днів тому +13

    I agree with what you and Sonny Digital have said about the this business. At the end of the day, this a business that we are in.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +2

      Absolutely and it seems so obvious right?

  • @antoniomurphymusic
    @antoniomurphymusic 12 днів тому +4

    12:08 its funny how when pain was talking about the publishing guide I was debating on whether I should get back to reading the donald passman book or working on a beat or maybe touching up the lyrics of this song I been working on lol i think imma read some of that Donny Passman for 20 minutes

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +2

      It was a sign

    • @user-xedwsg
      @user-xedwsg 12 днів тому +1

      20 minutes....? brother, get serious...read more

    • @antoniomurphymusic
      @antoniomurphymusic 11 днів тому

      @@user-xedwsg balance is key my friend

    • @antoniomurphymusic
      @antoniomurphymusic 11 днів тому

      @@user-xedwsg also that book is so dense that 20minutes of reading is like 30 minutes of notes

  • @bushpoobeats
    @bushpoobeats 12 днів тому +9

    People like that will either be humbled by people or reality later if they don't humble themselves now.
    When it comes to pricing, why would you set up any form of business just to devalue yourself? If someone does that, they probably shouldn't be allowed to run a business without parental guidance because that's how a child thinks.
    I know some people that think everything should be done for them, they're the best in their mind already, it's their song, they could apparently make the beats, not worth any money, the artist will make 30 dollars off their song so that's not fair they have to pay the producer, and all the other bullshit we hear.
    People want money now, but they don't want to invest money or invest time and if they can't see the value in themselves and in their future and the value in others where are they going to get really? Not very far.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +3

      @@bushpoobeats I’m saying

  • @ErrolBeats
    @ErrolBeats 12 днів тому +5

    How much is something worth? Whatever the buyer and seller agree it's worth. Supply and demand.

    • @Southernkhal
      @Southernkhal 11 днів тому

      I agree to a point. But f don’t forget when the supply outweighs the demand, it does weaken your negotiating strength, unless you’re a well established producer and even then it may not help.

  • @scaleshenry
    @scaleshenry 12 днів тому +10

    You know what ALL beats should cost! Our time energy and monetary investment should be rewarded. I charge so that the weak, the broke and the fake can get out of the way! What I spend on sample kits alone.....man get out of here. I applaud ALL music creators who do this for a living, i do not, as the fuckery in the game is overwhelming!

    • @kicksquadtv
      @kicksquadtv 12 днів тому +2

      Facts I Simply Make Music For Therapy Now But When I Do Work With Others I Charge Out Of Respect For The Game You Would Think $100/150 Is Reasonable For A Mix And Master On Top Of A $100 Lease/Exclusive But Then Again Artist Only See The Clout To Gain Instead Of Building Relationships And Overlooks All The Investing Producers/Engineers Does For Their Craft 💯‼️

  • @prodsirsiah
    @prodsirsiah 9 днів тому +1

    I’m not even a huge online producer very small like very small still and my DMs are wild so either we need to see more poems being uploaded to DSP‘s or something has to work, but this is funny 💀

  • @jonesconrad1
    @jonesconrad1 12 днів тому +2

    Great video again mate.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +1

      @@jonesconrad1 thank you 🙏🏽

  • @pxhaxe
    @pxhaxe 10 днів тому

    Gotta respect the craft investing itself is the value

  • @Gflye
    @Gflye 9 днів тому +1

    IMO People have definitely been conditioned to devalue the music and the grind, so of course they think 300 is too much. All this shit cost, and it never been cheap to get into. Before equipment got a little cheaper (or I should say they created products to cater to entry level artist and hobbyists) studio time cost, the producers equipment cost thousands of dollars for the real good shit….Save up or negotiate to give up percentages if you’re lacking with the rest of the bread.

  • @Roses_R_redeR
    @Roses_R_redeR 12 днів тому +3

    Getting the pack next week pain... and I just found you on Soundcloud today....
    🥀🥀🔥👊🥀🔥🔥

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому

      @@Roses_R_redeR thank you, my
      SoundCloud hasn’t been updated for like a decade though, sorry

  • @XcluZiveBeats
    @XcluZiveBeats 12 днів тому +2

    The Donald Passman book is great! It’s more tailored towards artist, but so much applies to producers as well.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +2

      @@XcluZiveBeats we are artists and it helps us to learn what artist’s needs are to be better producers

  • @swimin7357
    @swimin7357 12 днів тому +1

    First! Pain with the info as always.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @YamashitaKoikeDS
    @YamashitaKoikeDS 12 днів тому +2

    I think the problem is that there is no real proper metric to determine how successful you'll be. You have to pay for venues, travel, promo, plugins, some social media/streaming services, etc. I could probably even say a lot of ppl start off somewhat in the red to get to the green; paying hundreds/thousands to attempt continuos selling of an album for $14 per person. NOT saying you ALWAYS HAVE to be scared or devalue yourself but there are many people putting time, energy, money into the craft generally that don't make it far as they should even if they are good for a multitude of reasons.
    I believe the industry can be lucrative obviously. But there a lot of thing's that still don't make sense money wise. Like people talking about much a stream should be worth or Spotify(I think) making the change to not paying artists for songs getting < 1,000 plays last year. Like, the pull these companies have to Distrubute your music to get you heard to some extent. Companies making subscription services cause they know a lot of people don't have an extra 3-5,000 to drop for their products right now cause living anywhere is expensive af these days. The fact we even still have this same conversation about how we get paid or how much is too much/little in soon to be 2025 is crazy. Shows you how shaky the industry has always been. What Im getting at is that I feel it is another gamble/race to the bottom for survival until the industry collapses on itself completely. And you could say that about a lot of industries and even the value of the currency itself(might as well just learn how to live off of land). But the quality of art is subjective and art is something thats now too heavily involved with technology as well as labor on individual and corporate levels. It just hasn't ever made 100% sense cause you're trying to survive off of like-ability as a person or really an alter ego or a quarter of yourself. Thats conditional unlike having an actual set of trades to be unconditionally sustainable in life 24/7

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +4

      @@YamashitaKoikeDS there’s no metric for how successful any start-up small sole proprietorship will be, so either go for it or don’t. Life is a risk- but those of us who took the risk don’t need to be punished for another person’s lack of success.

    • @YamashitaKoikeDS
      @YamashitaKoikeDS 12 днів тому +1

      @DJPain1 I'd probably word the last part differently but in context to the main topic we're actually talking about, I definitely get what you're saying. Not saying you're wrong but Im just being extreme with the logic. The Only reason I'm getting Meta about it is because somebody does has to lose or sacrifice in some way for there to be a win. So if you're taking that risk, you wouldn't want to end off losing everything/have all the work you put in become insignificant. Thats why I mentioned Spotify having songs under 1000 plays not be monetized as an example. I wouldn't doubt that in some way they're getting underpaid for what they do and wouldn't doubt that Spotify, Tunecore, etc would have payable plays change from >1,000 to >5,000-10,000 and they'll blame it on Bot manipulation on top of probably not having enough money anyway.
      There are a lot of people who wouldn't mind taking the risk cause they either love it, see music as a chance to change their life or as another hustle. But ultimately, you still have to survive outside of it. That one example definitely hurts smaller artists as well as their producers and engineers to an extent cause if the artist doesn't get paid enough to keep their finances up, they'll complain about prices or if not that they may slow down on releasing stuff. The more artists that go down that path, the more producers and engineers will start to get less work/replaced for those who will align more with said artists. I agree that you should put in honest work and know your worth; I wouldn't want to undersell my Beat because someone else is not successful. If we are going to talk about knowing worth in the industry, that could get crazy if larger entities started chiming in on that. Really imagine if Spectrasonic's, Waves and all these companies went "Oh word, you're producing beats for songs that go Platinum and potentially even Diamond off of our plugins that we sweat for; $100,000 for this plugin now". Numbers exaggerated, lol, but there are most definitely plugins we all know of and use faithfully that are impactful enough to up their prices way more than they probably already do just because they know what you could make and what has already been made. Especially since you have people like Billie Eilish(a lot of artists and producers applied here really) coming out saying they were just recording #1 hits in the crib. Naturally, producers and engineers will want to follow suit; especially if they make high quality work. Clearly, the artist, labels or whoever would need to pay what the producers work is worth but I'm pretty sure you see and are already familiar with the cyclical point I'm getting at Here. The question will always just be "how sustainable is this really" or "when will it become sustainable". Not saying you're wrong at all.

  • @BossieSickadye-music
    @BossieSickadye-music 12 днів тому +1

    U are wise. I respect what you say. I make beats and sing my own songs. I need the inspiration.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому

      🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @Justice098
    @Justice098 12 днів тому +1

    My first placement was $5k in 2005. I stopped when producers started selling beats for $50.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому +1

      Why’d their actions make you quit?

  • @supa407
    @supa407 8 днів тому

    Well, I started out selling beats back in 97. My leases were $300.

  • @miketodd6970
    @miketodd6970 11 днів тому

    🎉 I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE OF US WHO HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому

      @@miketodd6970 🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @koolaid1982
    @koolaid1982 12 днів тому +2

    🤔IF ITS ONE ☝🏾 THING I HAVE LEARNED AS A ARTIST IS UN TAGGED BEATS ARE NOT JUST SUPPORTING THE BEAT MAKERS DREAMS. ITS SUPPORTING YOURS TO.ITS ALSO LESS TACKY WHEN ITS CLEAN AND YOUR VOCALS ARE NOT INTERRUPTED FROM THE TAG 🏷️ FULL OWNER SHIP IS THE BOMB 💣🔥AND LICENSE KEEPS YOU DRAMA FREE ESPECIALLY IF YOU BENEFIT FROM THE BEAT 🪘

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +1

      @@koolaid1982 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

    • @michaeldaniels8818
      @michaeldaniels8818 12 днів тому

      also you want the stems or project file give the mixing and mastering engineer the best canvas to bring out your song because it allows for the best quality of mix

    • @darkcharmrecords
      @darkcharmrecords 12 днів тому

      ​@@michaeldaniels8818 Stems yes, not sure about project files

  • @zlatkobeatz
    @zlatkobeatz 10 днів тому

    Mr.Shrapnel feels quite confident in speaking of saturated music and beats not worth paying for.

  • @nskeip
    @nskeip 12 днів тому +1

    @DjPain1 Are your sample packs clear in terms of copyright? Or should a producer clear it?

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +1

      @@nskeip no clearances needed, I’d never make somebody who gets a pack of mine go through the sample clearance process

  • @Invisible-Rhino
    @Invisible-Rhino 2 дні тому

    i get artists and graphic designers asking me on tiktok i fi will give them money for their arts - i just asked them to give me money for my tunes instead.,.,., XD

  • @kamenbiz
    @kamenbiz 12 днів тому +6

    Crazy how Artists fell a beat is nothing or should be free or cheap… No artist is putting out Acapella albums” Dumb F^cks 😂

    • @Santanna536
      @Santanna536 12 днів тому

      That goes both ways honestly 🤷‍♂️. Some producers feel they're more important than the artist so they can charge exorbitant amounts for a beat but the average music listener isn't listening to instrumentals. It's a symbiotic relationship between producer and the artist.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому +1

      @@Santanna536 context, man, context. Not everything is an argument

    • @Santanna536
      @Santanna536 11 днів тому

      @@DJPain1 true, that wasn't my intention

    • @thelibrarian3734
      @thelibrarian3734 4 дні тому

      Uh uh aha uhhh haaa uhhhh ha yeah 🤔😅

  • @DodgaOfficial
    @DodgaOfficial 11 днів тому +1

    Whenever I try to tell people this shit, they get so offended. I see producers spending so much money on bullshit, they can't pay money for any plugins, they expect everything for free and claim to be broke, but they are at the dispensary every other day, they're eating out every day, doing fucking grub hub, but they don't have money to actually invest in their own career.
    What I've found is that what you put into something like music, is EXACTLY what you will get out of it, how much can you really believe in what you're doing if it's not worth spending money on?
    I get it, most people pirate in the beginning, but if you actually want to make money from this or do it as a career, you are going to have to spend money and pay your dues, nothing worth having in life is free.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому

      @@DodgaOfficial 🎯

  • @Southernkhal
    @Southernkhal 11 днів тому

    I think more people need to get away from beat selling and learn actual music production. There’s a clear difference. I only offer production services, surrounding a track that I’ve composed.

  • @tracksphantom540
    @tracksphantom540 12 днів тому

    Illmind just created a A.I. beat generator royalty free with his style for people to pay a monthly fee and you can have the A.I. bot do all the work no more spending hours looking for samples and clearances does that mean when I make a beat with It I can charge like a major producer as well for my beats ?

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому

      I have a very similar ai software for myself and it’s available through lemoaide

  • @michaeldaniels8818
    @michaeldaniels8818 12 днів тому +3

    just sonny digital name alone is gonna get you the clicks same qith a DJ pain beat its gonna get you the clicks its worth the investment

  • @Tiodenéromuzik
    @Tiodenéromuzik 12 днів тому +1

    Facts 9:51

  • @309fliteschool
    @309fliteschool 12 днів тому +2

    😂 shout out to P1 for the slimmiest segue of all time..
    i will be copping simply for the creative genius behind the campaign. 💯

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому

      It wasn’t a bad segue was it?

  • @BSTYLEE2024
    @BSTYLEE2024 12 днів тому +1

    Strange U - The Cake is a Lie {the music is real,the cake IS a lie} =music is priceless

  • @JD-bx7ob
    @JD-bx7ob 8 днів тому

    I definitely understand, and agree with, the vast majority of what your saying, but I think its important to be cognizant of your own mentality, and its potential issues, as well man, no disrespect intended. If someone is trying to convince you to give them free beats, and you said yourself that it is not intended as disrespect, that is not inherently disrespectful (if anything its actually the opposite, because the one thing we can say for sure is that he likes your music and wants to work with you). I am by no means telling you to give your work away for free, but, at the end of the day, you are choosing to feel disrespected by that, when there is simply no need to feel that way. Similarly, you could most likely see where that message was going after like 1 or 2 seconds, so, if youre not interested, any time or energy you spend after that is honestly you wasting your own time, not him. They may not be going about it the right way, but they are trying to make a connection with you, not waste your time or hurt your feelings, its up to you how you respond🤷‍♂️ This message is actually a perfect example, you could take this as some random hater on youtube trying to criticize you for no reason, or as a total waste of your time, but it was intended as friendly constructive criticism, written with an honest desire to help you, and you had every opportunity to stop reading at any time🤷‍♂️ Anyway, I do hope you see this as the latter and I wish you the best and hope you have a great rest of your day man!💯💯💯

    • @JD-bx7ob
      @JD-bx7ob 8 днів тому

      Also, I was cooking while I was listening, so if I misunderstood, my bad!🤣🤣

  • @ProdbyNateee
    @ProdbyNateee 12 днів тому +1

    Facts! 5:41 💯

  • @thelibrarian3734
    @thelibrarian3734 4 дні тому

    Pain on the subject of 29.99 for 3 kits, tell me now how much does NI charge for a sample pack with 20/30 kits all bang on the money production 🤔🤔🤔

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  4 дні тому

      @@thelibrarian3734 I don’t know
      Edit: I looked it up and they’re 49.99 for a three pack. What point were you trying to convey with this?

    • @thelibrarian3734
      @thelibrarian3734 4 дні тому

      @ they give more for less🤔

  • @jeremybenson5782
    @jeremybenson5782 11 днів тому

    Check out Aiva Ai. Looks neat.

  • @nskeip
    @nskeip 12 днів тому +1

    We need Beat Makers' Union!

  • @joshmcali.sk8
    @joshmcali.sk8 12 днів тому +1

    $300 too much for Sonny Digital? Man if I were an artist I’d try to get him to produce my whole project 😂 that seems like a steal

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому

      @@joshmcali.sk8 ikr

  • @lostluv718
    @lostluv718 10 днів тому

    So you are telling me that people on the train playing instruments like life long orchestra aren't musicians or artists
    Art is art like I said.
    I didnt say anything about stealing beats.
    Read it for what it is instead of coming out of pocket because you don't understand.
    There are plenty of dope artists who make no money from every angle of artistry

  • @TheNoticer12
    @TheNoticer12 12 днів тому +1

    I don't get the issue? People can charge WHATEVER they want for their product, you dont get to dictate how much other people charge.

  • @MecheGT
    @MecheGT 12 днів тому +2

    These are not real artist or producers

  • @prodrecker
    @prodrecker 12 днів тому +1

    crazy tf

  • @skyd6692
    @skyd6692 12 днів тому

    Rappers want free beats to cry on it about being free from oppression.

  • @ghfjfghjasdfasdf
    @ghfjfghjasdfasdf 11 днів тому

    Agreed

  • @DERAILENTERTAINMENT1
    @DERAILENTERTAINMENT1 10 днів тому

    Nard and B make some cheap beats too.. imo they sound like your just paying for the tag..

  • @Wellykproductions
    @Wellykproductions 11 днів тому

    One petite problem your kits don't have 808s 😮

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому

      Yes they do. This one absolutely does.

  • @EmperorKamikaze
    @EmperorKamikaze 12 днів тому

    I laugh at the collapse of drum machine beats. Write a song or dont.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому

      @@EmperorKamikaze oh kewl

  • @therearenoruleshere
    @therearenoruleshere 12 днів тому

    He did what Drake did, including another man into his mess 😂

  • @koolaid1982
    @koolaid1982 12 днів тому +5

    HOPEFULLY 🙏🏾 🤞🏾 IF YOU CAN AFFORD A STUDIO SESSION THEN YOU CAN AFFORD A BEAT. MATTER OF FACT YOU SHOULD BUY THE BEATS PRIOR .THE BEAT MAKERS USUALLY CAN START ANYWHERE FROM LIKE 50.00$ AND UP SOME $30.00 STUDIO SESSIONS ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THAT 🤣🫶🏾🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  12 днів тому +2

      @@koolaid1982 and rappers should get this before I delete it tonight
      www.djpain1beats.com/music/albums/35-beats-for-4999-171695

    • @im_avg_joe
      @im_avg_joe 12 днів тому

      $50 for a beat? FOH! I would NEVER devalue my worth as a person just to work with an established artist or an up and coming artist. Even songwriters don't stoop that low for a featured verse! I charge WAY more than $50 for my art!

  • @onx364
    @onx364 12 днів тому +1

    👌

  • @vincentbrown-scott4610
    @vincentbrown-scott4610 11 днів тому +1

    🌝😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆❤️🏆

  • @GoodBaleadaMusic
    @GoodBaleadaMusic 11 днів тому +1

    Nobody needs to play your beat lottery anymore. We can just pay your buddy to bot stream the same amount of listens and just bang our spoons against the wall
    If we estimate Sonny Digital's beats have cumulatively generated 7 million sales and he has produced 500 beats, we can calculate the average listens or sales per beat:
    \text{Average listens per beat} = \frac{\text{Total Sales}}{\text{Number of Beats}}
    \text{Average listens per beat} = \frac{7,000,000}{500} = 14,000
    So, each beat has roughly 14,000 sales/listens on average.

    • @DJPain1
      @DJPain1  11 днів тому

      @@GoodBaleadaMusic and your entire discography has 43 monthly listeners. Math is fun, good times.

    • @GoodBaleadaMusic
      @GoodBaleadaMusic 11 днів тому

      @DJPain1 It's as old as June. I've made more music since June then you will make for the rest of your life if you live to be 200 years old. Beats don't count

    • @GoodBaleadaMusic
      @GoodBaleadaMusic 11 днів тому

      @DJPain1 isn't that fucking insane???

    • @GoodBaleadaMusic
      @GoodBaleadaMusic 11 днів тому

      @DJPain1 math is very fun. You've never spoken to a more prolific songwriter. You'll see DJ pain part 2

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      @GoodBaleadaMusic 11 днів тому

      @DJPain1 You forgot my other artists. That's just one 😂😂😂. Since June 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Three songs a day. 12 different dialects so far You can't even come up with an original DJ name 😔📛