I think the Nightcrawler Attack scene is the original Quicksilver Save scene. Understanding why one is great explains the other. They aren't the same (Pietro is moving so fast his scenes are actually slower than Kurt's quick jumps) but they evoke the same reaction of "YEAH! LET'S GO!" in its viewers.
Alucard: The Lockheed SR-71 blackbird a advanced long-range strategic reconnaissance aircraft capable of Mach 3 and an altitude of 85,000 feet. Integra: you sure do seem to know a lot about it. Alucard: DO YOU EVEN READ MY CHRISTMAS LIST!?
then why tease on expanding it? "oh, yes, in this movie you will learn more about how this man experimented with you. He experimented with you... with this metal thing" That's... just bad script right there
Goddamn, that might be one of the funniest riffs they've done on these, when Kitty phases thru that guy. "Excuse me, Frank, my heart is *missing..* " but yeah, movie was and still is a few good juicy bits of fruit stirred into a lot of devastatingly ordinary yogurt.
Speaking of which, what are your guesses for the last movie of the month? I want to say first class but i'm unsure since they wouldn't be doing the films that follow it.
@@MrGBH I might be wrong because I haven't watched this movie in years, but I thought Pyro was unable to create flames and that's why he carries around the lighter. That's the basis of his conversation with Magneto IIRC.
Oddly my favourite scene is Logan walking around the mansion at night, seeing the kid use his powers on the TV and hanging out with Bobby as he ices his drink for him. It's a nice mood and makes the place feel more lived in.
When I was small I was sooo fascinated of nightcrawlers design. But I didn't knew he was supposed to be German bc I watched it here in Germany with the German dub 😂
@@ChannelAwesome my pleasure. And if you want to watch some real overblown trash can I recommend Far and Away with Tom Cruise. His accent alone makes it a comedy
So Rob wasnt paying attention in Logan. It was the corn syrup stuff they put into food and water that prevented more mutants from being born naturally. Xavier only killed mutants around his school in a bout of dementia.
And even then, it does have well done serious scenes. I kind of agree with Doug on the first Spider-Man though, if you're not looking at it as a borderline comedy, it can be tough to get through. Hasn't aged too well either.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical 1) When Peter tells Aunt May the truth of Uncle Ben's death 2) The "I Believe There is a Hero in All of Us" scene 3) The train scene All of those really hit me hard as a kid and even today
@@TechnologicallyTechnical I think that movie does a tonal high-wire act. All 3 of them have aged extremely well. Those movies play the same way now they did then, calling back to the history of cinema. Those 3 spiderman movies would work if released today or if released in 1966. They're all timeless, and pretty great. I don't get why goofy means bad. The Green Goblin and Dafoe's portrayal of him is GOOFY, but he's also terrifying, smart, and brutal. Just like the comics. I honestly don't understand how you can read those books, and not think the goofiness and quality of those movies aren't in line with the BEST Spiderman comic stories.
@@iansmart4158 The CG, certain plot/writing tropes, the songs surrounding the film (not the score) and the general style of filming for the first Spider-Man all give it away as an early 2000's superhero film. Spider-Man 2 has aged a bit, but it's not as clear as in Spider-Man. Even when the effects in Spider-Man 2 aren't good, it's subtle enough that you have to be looking for the bad effects in order to really notice them. They also swapped writers for Spider-Man 2. A typical Hollywood blockbuster writer wrote the first Spider-Man and an award winning book writer was hired for Spider-Man 2, and it really shows. Spider-Man 1 really didn't have much depth whereas Spider-Man 2 did have quite of bit of depth to it by diving into what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man outside of just the basic stuff like swinging around & fighting crime. As for Spider-Man 3, I've noticed lately that it's been popular to love the film suddenly, and I think that's just kids who grew up with it looking at it through nostalgia tinted glasses. The film's all over the place, the effects have aged terribly (except for Sandman), Eddie in that film sucked, Gwen came out of left field and was unnecessary, it was advertised as being super dark when certain parts got too goofy even by Sam Raimi Spider-Man standards, and the Harry/Peter conflict should've been the core of the film. I'm glad Raimi took such a firm stance on having his way with Spider-Man 4 (even though it resulted in the film never being made) because if the studio had gotten its way with Spider-Man 4, then it just would've been another Batman & Robin/Superman 4, and I'm so glad Raimi respected the franchise enough to not let that happen to it.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical I disagree. there are definitely some effects that don't work, but I'd argue they're as good as the Oscar nominated Black Panther, and I chalk that up to history. It's like counting the effects of The Terminator or T2 against it's prowess as a piece of action filmmaking. different time, and all this stuff is gonna look outdated in a matter of decades, so effects really don't bother me much. The pop music associated with the film only really comes into play during the credits. I was aware of it, but if you don't know the songs, they don't really impact the movie in any meaningful way. In terms of the early 2000s aesthetic on the first. Sure there's some, but Id say Raimi's previous film (The Gift) was more in line with the aesthtecs of the time. I mean, realistically, Spider-Man (2002) looks more expressive than most of the MCU stuff today. And the depth thing. I mean, I guess, but what Spider-Man does with visuals and the aesthetic choices throughout the films IS the depth in that film. It's a living breathing comic book with all the broad pathos, slightly hyper-real world building, and dynamics between colorful characters that the best mainstream comics are. Yeah, Spider-Man 2 has more humanity at it's core (and is perfect, so nothing really compares) but Spider-Man (2002) is mythic (the monologues that bookend the film have a sort of Tall-Tale aspect to them). It's broad in a way that works, and relatable in its intentions. Even the villain is kind of one note in the way iconic supehero villains are. (but I'd argue that rooftop convo with GG, is among the most well written and physically performed stuff you're likely to see in mainstream blockbusters). And Spider-Man 3 still slaps. It has a ton of issues (pacing, weird performance, the story never quite clicking), but what it does right (sandman, making you feel Peter's rage through the black suit) hasn't really been done nearly as well in other similar fair. It's not as perfect as the previous 2, but it's telling a story about Hubris and expectation that has not (and probably never will be) touched on in these movies again. God's having to deal with their humanity. That's Spider-Man 3. That movie ends, not with a swing or a kiss or triumphant gesture, but 2 people holding each other because they'd rather at least have each other than be alone and weak. They need the embrace of the one person that truly knows them, because they know this life isn't forever. THAT'S THE ENDING OF A SUPERHERO MOVIE! We gotta put respek on Raimi's name. Dude created some truly singular work (even if all of it isn't perfect. Oh, and BDH as Gwen Stacy is SO CHARMING; I don't care how she got there, I'm just happy I got to enjoy that performance).
X-Men and X2 are both awesome. Do they hold up? Well, maybe not compared to some modern superhero films, but in context, I think they're still hugely entertaining and interesting. I don't know what Doug and Rob are expecting after almost 20 years.
That would be a pointless review. Apples and oranges. It's like criticizing Journey to the moon. He'd start nitpicking, just like this review. SOMEDAY... he'll review Island of Dr. Moreau.
That opening still has a place in my heart, tbh. This movie came out when I was in Jr. High, and specifically during the (so far) only time in my life I was dating someone, and we decided to go see a movie. When I told him I wanted to see this movie I remember him being. Uh. You know when you can tell someone is trying hard not to be rude or mean because they don't want to hurt your feelings or offend you? He was not really all that enthused lmao Fast forward to us sitting in the theater when this opening shows and I just remember him leaning over to me and whispering 'This is pretty cool' haha
To be fair it was Striker's fault that Professor X almost wipes out humanity. He created the means and tried to do literal genocide. I think looking into a more peaceful solution with the mutants after that makes more sense...yeah even I have a hard time trying to buy what I just said...
What-Ifs for Jean stopping the water: 1) Storm placing a tornado around Jean & the X-jet strong enough to repel tidal waves of water 2)Iceman freezing the water outside surrounding Jean and the X-jet pass 15 inches. 3) Rogue absorbing a portion of Jean's power - or any of the X-men just mentioned - to help lift the X-jet 4) Xavier unlocking each of their hidden potentials more with his mind to
I actually have the VHS of this movie, and tbh the cover frightened me when I was a kid and it didn't strike to me as a Superhero movie when I was a kid, and now it's alright, the only thing that I liked is the casting, action is alright, but it did feel slower than before
Love First Viewing... X-2 was best for long time in my book. But there were still issues that I let slide. The fight with Logan vs Deathstrike was good could be so much better. So much history. Still good movie. Keep up great work
The Nightcrawler opening was the original Quicksilver scene. It overshadowed a mediocre film and made us think the whole thing was better than it was because that one scene was so fucking awesome.
travis.is.win That analogy definitely works for Apocalypse, but I still stand by the notion that Days of Future Past is the best proper X-Men film (the Deadpool and Wolverine movies don’t count).
@@Here_is_Waldo that's the thing the comics and first class both give a back story that says it's just a regular SR-71. Doug and Rob are the only ones calling it a fighter jet. Hell it doesn't even have weapons installed
@@TheCodyD Surely it can't be a regular model. The original wasn't a VTOL, and I'm pretty certain it was only capable of carrying two people: the pilot and the navigator. It's definitely not a fighter jet, but if must be heavily modified if nothing else.
I love it when you two practically put yourselves down when you're complimenting something in these movies, because I get it, it hurts to compliment something that seems to actively attack a franchise you love at times. My dudes, it's totally okay to think that Mystique is cool in these films. Her, Beast, Night Crawler, Professor X, Logan, and Magneto were all perfectly cast for these. The problem is that they don't always have cool things for these amazingly cast performers to actually do xD .
I've always been partial to Beast. So glad the next generation films made him a main character. Also, it's been awhile since you did a new "real thoughts." Are those still happening?
@@James352_ Timeline wipe from Days of Future Past? That's my only guess. Wolverine fucked up the timeline enough to make it where Angel was born much earlier, because of the ripple effect? Ultimately, my guess is chalked down to "X-Men inconsistencies, which happens a little too much."
Why do people hate the second wolverine movie I think its awesome. It's my favorite hugh Jackman performance in the series and has great action and character moments. it's also a lot better than X-Men Origins which is terrible
Same here. I can watch that repeatedly. Logan is awesome but is such a emotional pain, you can only watch it every now and then otherwise you will always be feel down and cry. Hell I've only watch it three times since it came out and I felt like I did when I first saw it. The wolverine is the best of both worlds
I don't know. It think it's awesome too. The big ending fight has its problems, but I still think it's better than the first X-Men trilogy and way better than X-Men Origins.
I personally (and most of the people I actually know) don't think it's terrible as much as... fine. A couple cool things, a couple really odd things, but mostly just bland, though not necessarily unenjoyable. Overall, like I said... fine
agreed i also really like that movie... kinda annoyed the dvd i bought didnt have the scene with chick grinding up all the ninjas in the snowblower or whatever that things called(doesnt snow here so idk if thats the proper term) at the time was hoping theyd twist the story a little bit and end up making her lady deathstryke... she woulda been perfect..
I enjoy these more than the actual NC reviews nowadays. Not having those cringy-unfunny skits are a huge factor but these two naturally commenting over films is just so satisfying.
7:40 The phoenix was first set up in the first movie. Pay attention to how Magneto's mutant aura affects Jean. Also, why do you guys keep confusing subtlety with "boring"? 9:20 Yes, he has discovered a lot in this movie. In the first movie, it was unrevealed how Logan got his adamantium skeleton and why. In this movie it is explained. And in the very scene you're bashing. 11:05 Yes, she has to do it from the outside because that's the only way she can save them without letting the phoenix harm her friends. 11:48 No that wasn't a threat. He was stating that they'll hope he'll make the more reasonable decision by not dividing mutants and humans further apart. 12:48 Yes Doug, yes they did establish that. Did you even watch these movies? You've become cinematically illiterate, guys. You obviously don't understand proper storytelling and narrative. And where you trying to be funny when you said Xavier tried to wipe out humanity or did you forget that he was under Stryker's control?
7:40 They don’t set up one of the most important parts of the story being her motherly nature so it’s all setup and no real payoff Also, you can make subtlety while still making a colorful and entertaining bombastic comic book movie. Being grey and static is inexcusable. 9:20 They showed that shit a bunch of times in the first one so we already knew this. It’s not a grand reveal. 11:05 How does she know the Phoenix is that dangerous? Up to this point it’s a subtle fear she had but there are many other options. Including Storm moving the water or Nightcrawler teleporting them away 11:48 why did he do it in the most terrifying and threatening way possible? What’s the point of the scary lightning strikes? Wouldn’t a less scary way be more effective in communicating that you’re not a threat? 12:48 That was more a joke on what the characters actually discussed amongst themselves not what we saw and not serious critique I think you need to be willing to see some flaws in a very static and dull Bryan Singer movie. And the joke about Xavier almost killing humanity is that it makes no sense anyone would be on his side even if he was mind controlled.
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Just want to point out; even though the X-Men's jet is /called/ "the Blackbird", it is NOT an SR71. It is considerably larger, large enough to function as a transport for about a dozen people. The SR71 interior is tiny and cramped, most of it is occupied by advanced photography, surveillance, and relay equipment. Plus, it's the interior layout of a two-seat jet fighter (pilot and photographer/radio operator seated one behind the other).
Ah, I remember liking X2 when I was younger. It was my favorite X-Men film of all time until I look back at it and realize... it has its flaws. NightCrawler was one of the best parts for me, but the rest of the movie fell flat. But hey, here’s to hoping MCU can make a better movie in the future. Love the video by the way! Always love watching these during my off time. I also can’t wait till you get to X-Men: Origins Wolverine. That’s the review I’m looking forward to the most!
I love the scene where Ice guy freezes the bottle for Logan. That's 100% something i would to with that power and that makes the characters more 3 dimensional
Even when this movie first came out and I'd watch it on repeat over and over when I was younger, I always assumed that Logan's line of "She did make a choice. It was you." was referring to the fact that Jean chose Scott's life over her own and not that she chose Scott over Logan as far as a relationship goes like Doug and Rob refer to here.
It's still a good movie to me. Excellent villain, did a better job of juggling the characters than they give credit (Cyclops aside), and I give credit to the film for adapting God Loves, Man Kills in a way that works without being preachy or offensive in its own right.
@@RickyUzumaki993 Yeah, that was a ridiculous conclusion they had. Freakin' Phoenix was coming next movie! Using Stryker was a major case of restraint even if his goal was to eradicate mutants. They took a forgotten storyline with a minor villain and made it potent enough to say that they can't top it, even with a Top 3 legendary comic story arc? And this incredible success is somehow used against it? Give me a break. As for the plot, it was well focused for an ensemble movie. The threads are always coming together and converging on the same spot. Despite their banging on about a few scenes with Xavier, they used Wolverine's group as the focal point, gathering the rest of the cast for the climax. It was a well put together movie. Frankly, I'll take it over Infinity War any day.
@@RickyUzumaki993 Meh, Infinity War was a pretty big mess really. Wildly inconsistent powers, dumb plot, idiotic villain motivation, and an ending that had no impact because anyone with a brain knows they only killed off the actors under contract. That train wreck got a massive pass.
Curseco Dude. They're gonna release a freaking critic of every X-men movie of the saga this month. For credibility they should at least know well the basic aspects of one of the main protagonist. Even more if they are trying to make fun of the "lack of coherence" in the powers in the movies. It's just hypocrite.
@@Curseco Read/control minds and moving objects with your mind. How are those similar? Because they're mind-based? That's like saying water and oil are the same because they're liquid.
Hello! Storm the mutant who can create STORMS, created a lightning storm so powerful that it knocked out the power, why do you think her eyes were glowing, there was a Storm raging outside and the power went out?
Of the three main actresses in this movie (Berry, Janssen, Romjin), Rebecca Romjin is the only one who _hasn’t_ been in a Bond movie. This is probably because they were afraid she’d out-badass Pierce Brosnan.
@@somerandolad Yeah. I can't wait for the X-Men to be milked to death by a purely market driven franchise that has never even once tried to challenge themselves or done anything meaningful with their characters. The MCU is quantity over quality. When their first X-Men movie comes out, people will start missing the old ones.
ya know one thing i have to say about watching the NC’s first is seeing some of the jokes and thinking “is that a rob joke or a doug joke” i always put my money on the rob jokes being the darker ones
6:20, even when I this came out (I think I was 11), I thought Logan’s response should have been “history”. Ya know, because he fought in like every freaking war except 2?!
when the dad asked Logan what he taught I wish he said metal shop. then at some point he was able to to display the claws in some way to the dad. like the middle claw?
What's your favorite X-Men character?
Make sure to catch the review here - ua-cam.com/video/oJ2H5DOVlJg/v-deo.html
Wolverine, Bub all the way
Colossus
Deadpool
Deadpool
Deadpool
The Nightcrawler Attack is the best scene of the entire trilogy
I think the Nightcrawler Attack scene is the original Quicksilver Save scene. Understanding why one is great explains the other. They aren't the same (Pietro is moving so fast his scenes are actually slower than Kurt's quick jumps) but they evoke the same reaction of "YEAH! LET'S GO!" in its viewers.
Honestly, my favourite scene is Magneto’s prison break.
Jean, Famke Janssen, just existing, is the highlight!
Funny cause they do real physical stunts.... none of that fake looking CGI acrobatics....
alejandromolinac I wonder when the mcu will start having scenes like this
I'd definitely would say Nightcrawler was one of the highlight of the film.
I love that nickname!
And then they fucking drop him in the sequel. Why? Because FOX wanted a smaller budget
"I'd definitely would" is redundant because I'd means I would. Hope you find this helpful. *I would definitely would* for example
True.
Famke Janssen was the highlight--every scene she's in.
4:37 "Excuse me Frank, my heart is missing." -Doug Walker, 2019
That moment makes me laugh every time
Alucard: The Lockheed SR-71 blackbird a advanced long-range strategic reconnaissance aircraft capable of Mach 3 and an altitude of 85,000 feet.
Integra: you sure do seem to know a lot about it.
Alucard: DO YOU EVEN READ MY CHRISTMAS LIST!?
All of the fucking yes!
Perfect 👌
Nazo- kage I was waiting for someone to comment this
That was literally what I thought as soon as I heard the word xD
Nazo- kage ah a man of culture I see good old hellsing abridged
I've always found Doug's improv to be much funnier that his scripted jokes. That "my heart is missing" joke was legitimately laugh-out-loud funny.
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I’ll admit. That joke was awesome
Personally I think less is more regarding Wolverine’s past
then why tease on expanding it? "oh, yes, in this movie you will learn more about how this man experimented with you. He experimented with you... with this metal thing"
That's... just bad script right there
If X-men Origins: Wolverine, also known as Shit Film, doesnt prove that I dont know what does!
@@thegreatherox because they always have
THANK YOU.
He was cool and mysterious back in the day. He was too popular for his own good and they kept adding shit to his background.
7:55 That's every bad guy/hero team-up thing summed up in one sentence and I love it
Goddamn, that might be one of the funniest riffs they've done on these, when Kitty phases thru that guy.
"Excuse me, Frank, my heart is *missing..* "
but yeah, movie was and still is a few good juicy bits of fruit stirred into a lot of devastatingly ordinary yogurt.
Also Colossus and Siren are here too.
And it shows Kitty covered in blood and guts and she horrifyingly shrieks "OH MY GOD!!!"
Great analogy
Can't wait to see their reaction to X-Men 3
That's actually Doug's favorite X-Men movie.
I've heard that's actually their favourite of the original trilogy
That it is overheated? Yes, it suffer on undeveloped crowd syndrome and was rushed, but it main flaw is that it come out after X2.
Speaking of which, what are your guesses for the last movie of the month? I want to say first class but i'm unsure since they wouldn't be doing the films that follow it.
X 3 is honestly my favorite of the original trilogy
"Unobtainium" is a real phrase NASA uses for a placeholder when looking for a material to fill a need.
I can't believe you guys didn't mention that Pyro is a firebender. How could you not make an Avatar reference with regards to this movie?
Ironically, this movie changed Pyro's powers so that he can create flames, whereas Avatar changed the firebenders to have Pyro's comic powers.
Because Firebenders can make fire
@@MrGBH I might be wrong because I haven't watched this movie in years, but I thought Pyro was unable to create flames and that's why he carries around the lighter. That's the basis of his conversation with Magneto IIRC.
Pyro can't create fire in these films. He uses a lighter to jumpstart his powers.
Probably because he’s a Shyamalan firebender
Oddly my favourite scene is Logan walking around the mansion at night, seeing the kid use his powers on the TV and hanging out with Bobby as he ices his drink for him. It's a nice mood and makes the place feel more lived in.
“Excuse me, Frank, my heart is missing.” **dead**
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Lame title.
X2: Too Exey.
X2: Exual Healing
X2: X goin give it to ya
X2: all my X’s live in Texas.
And so on.
X Two the MAX
There is a 2nd X-Mas
X2 Mutant Bugaloo
Double X
Rela-X too
X-Cape 2 Africa
When I was small I was sooo fascinated of nightcrawlers design. But I didn't knew he was supposed to be German bc I watched it here in Germany with the German dub 😂
Then whot about the bad guys in Die Hard??
@@popstalerfilm7782 same! I also didn't know he was supposed to be German 😂
@@popstalerfilm7782 his name is Jack Gruber in the German version btw not Hans 😂
Thank goodness you did this. Enjoy it as much as the reviews!
Doug’s reaction to the 20th Century Fox is great
I wonder if it will have X-Men in it
It doesn’t
4:35 Scott Lang: *gasp* "SOMETHING JUST MOVED THROUGH ME!!"
4:34:
Doug: "scuse me Frank, my heart is missing"
I found this channel a month ago. I've laughed a lot this month. Cheers Nostalgia dudes.
+WillyDIreland
Thanks for the nice comment!
@@ChannelAwesome my pleasure. And if you want to watch some real overblown trash can I recommend Far and Away with Tom Cruise. His accent alone makes it a comedy
When you said "wibbly wobbly" at 4:14, I immediately thought of "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" from Doctor Who.
You two are so enjoyable to watch together. This and movie reviews between the both of you is my favorite format on this channel😄keep them coming!👍🏻
2:48 THANK YOU! I've been telling people for years that Jean Gray is the most boring character in X-Men and people look at me like I'm crazy.
I dont know man... cyclops can be as if not more boring than her...
Emma Frost is better, and she made Cyclops more interesting as well.
All I remember of Jean is "I CAN'T CONTROL IT".
She ain't boring
@@TheSpaceJockey91 Yes she is, that's why Dark Phoenix was such a big deal. It's the archetypal "good girl gone bad" story line.
So Rob wasnt paying attention in Logan. It was the corn syrup stuff they put into food and water that prevented more mutants from being born naturally. Xavier only killed mutants around his school in a bout of dementia.
Neither of them were paying attention during Logan.
Though, Spiderman 2 still holds up for me since it embraces how over-the-top goofy it is
And even then, it does have well done serious scenes. I kind of agree with Doug on the first Spider-Man though, if you're not looking at it as a borderline comedy, it can be tough to get through. Hasn't aged too well either.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical 1) When Peter tells Aunt May the truth of Uncle Ben's death
2) The "I Believe There is a Hero in All of Us" scene
3) The train scene
All of those really hit me hard as a kid and even today
@@TechnologicallyTechnical I think that movie does a tonal high-wire act. All 3 of them have aged extremely well. Those movies play the same way now they did then, calling back to the history of cinema.
Those 3 spiderman movies would work if released today or if released in 1966. They're all timeless, and pretty great. I don't get why goofy means bad. The Green Goblin and Dafoe's portrayal of him is GOOFY, but he's also terrifying, smart, and brutal.
Just like the comics. I honestly don't understand how you can read those books, and not think the goofiness and quality of those movies aren't in line with the BEST Spiderman comic stories.
@@iansmart4158 The CG, certain plot/writing tropes, the songs surrounding the film (not the score) and the general style of filming for the first Spider-Man all give it away as an early 2000's superhero film.
Spider-Man 2 has aged a bit, but it's not as clear as in Spider-Man. Even when the effects in Spider-Man 2 aren't good, it's subtle enough that you have to be looking for the bad effects in order to really notice them. They also swapped writers for Spider-Man 2. A typical Hollywood blockbuster writer wrote the first Spider-Man and an award winning book writer was hired for Spider-Man 2, and it really shows. Spider-Man 1 really didn't have much depth whereas Spider-Man 2 did have quite of bit of depth to it by diving into what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man outside of just the basic stuff like swinging around & fighting crime.
As for Spider-Man 3, I've noticed lately that it's been popular to love the film suddenly, and I think that's just kids who grew up with it looking at it through nostalgia tinted glasses. The film's all over the place, the effects have aged terribly (except for Sandman), Eddie in that film sucked, Gwen came out of left field and was unnecessary, it was advertised as being super dark when certain parts got too goofy even by Sam Raimi Spider-Man standards, and the Harry/Peter conflict should've been the core of the film. I'm glad Raimi took such a firm stance on having his way with Spider-Man 4 (even though it resulted in the film never being made) because if the studio had gotten its way with Spider-Man 4, then it just would've been another Batman & Robin/Superman 4, and I'm so glad Raimi respected the franchise enough to not let that happen to it.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical I disagree. there are definitely some effects that don't work, but I'd argue they're as good as the Oscar nominated Black Panther, and I chalk that up to history.
It's like counting the effects of The Terminator or T2 against it's prowess as a piece of action filmmaking. different time, and all this stuff is gonna look outdated in a matter of decades, so effects really don't bother me much.
The pop music associated with the film only really comes into play during the credits. I was aware of it, but if you don't know the songs, they don't really impact the movie in any meaningful way.
In terms of the early 2000s aesthetic on the first. Sure there's some, but Id say Raimi's previous film (The Gift) was more in line with the aesthtecs of the time. I mean, realistically, Spider-Man (2002) looks more expressive than most of the MCU stuff today.
And the depth thing. I mean, I guess, but what Spider-Man does with visuals and the aesthetic choices throughout the films IS the depth in that film. It's a living breathing comic book with all the broad pathos, slightly hyper-real world building, and dynamics between colorful characters that the best mainstream comics are. Yeah, Spider-Man 2 has more humanity at it's core (and is perfect, so nothing really compares) but Spider-Man (2002) is mythic (the monologues that bookend the film have a sort of Tall-Tale aspect to them). It's broad in a way that works, and relatable in its intentions. Even the villain is kind of one note in the way iconic supehero villains are.
(but I'd argue that rooftop convo with GG, is among the most well written and physically performed stuff you're likely to see in mainstream blockbusters).
And Spider-Man 3 still slaps. It has a ton of issues (pacing, weird performance, the story never quite clicking), but what it does right (sandman, making you feel Peter's rage through the black suit) hasn't really been done nearly as well in other similar fair. It's not as perfect as the previous 2, but it's telling a story about Hubris and expectation that has not (and probably never will be) touched on in these movies again.
God's having to deal with their humanity. That's Spider-Man 3. That movie ends, not with a swing or a kiss or triumphant gesture, but 2 people holding each other because they'd rather at least have each other than be alone and weak. They need the embrace of the one person that truly knows them, because they know this life isn't forever. THAT'S THE ENDING OF A SUPERHERO MOVIE!
We gotta put respek on Raimi's name. Dude created some truly singular work (even if all of it isn't perfect. Oh, and BDH as Gwen Stacy is SO CHARMING; I don't care how she got there, I'm just happy I got to enjoy that performance).
X-Men and X2 are both awesome.
Do they hold up? Well, maybe not compared to some modern superhero films, but in context, I think they're still hugely entertaining and interesting. I don't know what Doug and Rob are expecting after almost 20 years.
Rogue can hug somebody as long as there's no skin contact. Notice Wolverine pulls back at the last minute.
Like, duh.
Doug, this is it. After X month Is finished you have to fulfill your destiny....
It's Time...
*Review Dune*
No......review tremors
Dune is actually pretty good
Which dune ?
That would be a pointless review. Apples and oranges. It's like criticizing Journey to the moon. He'd start nitpicking, just like this review. SOMEDAY... he'll review Island of Dr. Moreau.
Stargate.
That opening still has a place in my heart, tbh. This movie came out when I was in Jr. High, and specifically during the (so far) only time in my life I was dating someone, and we decided to go see a movie. When I told him I wanted to see this movie I remember him being. Uh. You know when you can tell someone is trying hard not to be rude or mean because they don't want to hurt your feelings or offend you? He was not really all that enthused lmao
Fast forward to us sitting in the theater when this opening shows and I just remember him leaning over to me and whispering 'This is pretty cool' haha
Really? No comments on Wolverine fighting Lady Deathstrike? That was a great fight!
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She was just whooping his ass until he pumped her with adamantium.
Seen better.
To be fair it was Striker's fault that Professor X almost wipes out humanity. He created the means and tried to do literal genocide. I think looking into a more peaceful solution with the mutants after that makes more sense...yeah even I have a hard time trying to buy what I just said...
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12:25 oh the sweet sweet Irony of that sentence. Rob, if you only knew.
What-Ifs for Jean stopping the water: 1) Storm placing a tornado around Jean & the X-jet strong enough to repel tidal waves of water
2)Iceman freezing the water outside surrounding Jean and the X-jet pass 15 inches.
3) Rogue absorbing a portion of Jean's power - or any of the X-men just mentioned - to help lift the X-jet
4) Xavier unlocking each of their hidden potentials more with his mind to
No one notices how Kitty Pride goes from being Girl in late teens in first movie, to child in this and then early teen in the next.
I guess it's a minor thing in this universe... I mean, you could wake up one morning and turn into a Peter Dinklage xD
8:44
Kitty!
Stroke that cat like the Bond villain you are.
I wonder if Doug and Rob will raise their ‘X’pectations on this one
*slow clap* i see what you did that was Xcellent
get out
@@cmigbear oh come on we're just having some harmless X puns
@@cmigbear yeah there's no reason the Xpel me.
Xxactly. 🧐
"I see you put the pieces together quite perfectly." Purrfectly*
Damn it guys. Now I'll never get Luane as Rogue out of my head.
That was my biggest take away from this 😂 😂 😂
The compulsory Chaplin cameo in this series always makes me smile, especially when he climbs on any of their laps.
Excuse me Frank my heart is missing!
LOL
I actually have the VHS of this movie, and tbh the cover frightened me when I was a kid and it didn't strike to me as a Superhero movie when I was a kid, and now it's alright, the only thing that I liked is the casting, action is alright, but it did feel slower than before
"i think you should be called spyro like the tiny purple dragon" i want more lines like that!
(EDIT:thx for the likes guys!)
Love First Viewing... X-2 was best for long time in my book. But there were still issues that I let slide. The fight with Logan vs Deathstrike was good could be so much better. So much history. Still good movie. Keep up great work
What’s funny is Marvel made care bears comics, so technically they could help him design it.
The Nightcrawler opening was the original Quicksilver scene. It overshadowed a mediocre film and made us think the whole thing was better than it was because that one scene was so fucking awesome.
travis.is.win That analogy definitely works for Apocalypse, but I still stand by the notion that Days of Future Past is the best proper X-Men film (the Deadpool and Wolverine movies don’t count).
X2: X-Men United
Is there a dumber title than that?
xXx Because internet piracy
Ummm let’s see
Ooh well it isn’t a movie but what about Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance?
@@jbuddylowring135 Infinite Undiscovery?
@@jbuddylowring135 I'll see that, and raise you a 1980's "Choose your own adventure" book; Fairie Mound of Dragonkind.
X: X-Men Begins: X Origins: Genisis
Okay please stop saying the SR-71 Blackbird is a fighter jet it is a high-altitude reconnaissance jet not a fighter jet
The original was, but they seem to be talking about the weird mis-match thing the Xmen get about it.
@@Here_is_Waldo that's the thing the comics and first class both give a back story that says it's just a regular SR-71. Doug and Rob are the only ones calling it a fighter jet. Hell it doesn't even have weapons installed
@@TheCodyD Surely it can't be a regular model. The original wasn't a VTOL, and I'm pretty certain it was only capable of carrying two people: the pilot and the navigator. It's definitely not a fighter jet, but if must be heavily modified if nothing else.
@@Here_is_Waldo that is true, it's deffentaly not stock
The X-Jet is actually an SR-77 Blackbird.
I love it when you two practically put yourselves down when you're complimenting something in these movies, because I get it, it hurts to compliment something that seems to actively attack a franchise you love at times.
My dudes, it's totally okay to think that Mystique is cool in these films. Her, Beast, Night Crawler, Professor X, Logan, and Magneto were all perfectly cast for these. The problem is that they don't always have cool things for these amazingly cast performers to actually do xD .
I've always been partial to Beast. So glad the next generation films made him a main character. Also, it's been awhile since you did a new "real thoughts." Are those still happening?
Agreed.
Also no matter what adaption, angel always gets shortchanged.
And we yet to see a decent rogue
@@alanmike6883 also, how the hell is Angel in apocalypse in the 80s when he was the same age in the early 2000s in x 3?
@@James352_ Timeline wipe from Days of Future Past? That's my only guess. Wolverine fucked up the timeline enough to make it where Angel was born much earlier, because of the ripple effect?
Ultimately, my guess is chalked down to "X-Men inconsistencies, which happens a little too much."
@@James352_
That is a good point and a plot hole.
@@motodog242
Days of future past was still a good film though
Prof.X doesn't kill all mutants, just the X-men
Why do people hate the second wolverine movie I think its awesome. It's my favorite hugh Jackman performance in the series and has great action and character moments. it's also a lot better than X-Men Origins which is terrible
Same here. I can watch that repeatedly.
Logan is awesome but is such a emotional pain, you can only watch it every now and then otherwise you will always be feel down and cry. Hell I've only watch it three times since it came out and I felt like I did when I first saw it.
The wolverine is the best of both worlds
I don't know. It think it's awesome too. The big ending fight has its problems, but I still think it's better than the first X-Men trilogy and way better than X-Men Origins.
I personally (and most of the people I actually know) don't think it's terrible as much as... fine. A couple cool things, a couple really odd things, but mostly just bland, though not necessarily unenjoyable.
Overall, like I said... fine
agreed i also really like that movie... kinda annoyed the dvd i bought didnt have the scene with chick grinding up all the ninjas in the snowblower or whatever that things called(doesnt snow here so idk if thats the proper term)
at the time was hoping theyd twist the story a little bit and end up making her lady deathstryke... she woulda been perfect..
It sets alot up in Logan too
If JFK can be a mutant in this then so can Abe
What would his power be?
Hes able to kill vampires way better than any human being
If Jean Grey takes of that neckless she turns into a 200 year old lady
I understood the reference....
I enjoy these more than the actual NC reviews nowadays.
Not having those cringy-unfunny skits are a huge factor but these two naturally commenting over films is just so satisfying.
12:13 well as of 2020 we don't have to imagine anymore....
Just rewatched x2, still best movie
So, y’all brave enough to watch the sequel to Norm of the North? I believe it’s out on video now. 😉
12:27 Rob predicted Biden.
Brian Cox doesn't get enough credit for his portrayal of Stryker
Am I the only one that thinks that Doug’s impressions are spot on?!??
7:40 The phoenix was first set up in the first movie. Pay attention to how Magneto's mutant aura affects Jean.
Also, why do you guys keep confusing subtlety with "boring"?
9:20 Yes, he has discovered a lot in this movie. In the first movie, it was unrevealed how Logan got his adamantium skeleton and why. In this movie it is explained. And in the very scene you're bashing.
11:05 Yes, she has to do it from the outside because that's the only way she can save them without letting the phoenix harm her friends.
11:48 No that wasn't a threat. He was stating that they'll hope he'll make the more reasonable decision by not dividing mutants and humans further apart.
12:48 Yes Doug, yes they did establish that. Did you even watch these movies?
You've become cinematically illiterate, guys. You obviously don't understand proper storytelling and narrative.
And where you trying to be funny when you said Xavier tried to wipe out humanity or did you forget that he was under Stryker's control?
7:40 They don’t set up one of the most important parts of the story being her motherly nature so it’s all setup and no real payoff
Also, you can make subtlety while still making a colorful and entertaining bombastic comic book movie. Being grey and static is inexcusable.
9:20 They showed that shit a bunch of times in the first one so we already knew this. It’s not a grand reveal.
11:05 How does she know the Phoenix is that dangerous? Up to this point it’s a subtle fear she had but there are many other options. Including Storm moving the water or Nightcrawler teleporting them away
11:48 why did he do it in the most terrifying and threatening way possible? What’s the point of the scary lightning strikes? Wouldn’t a less scary way be more effective in communicating that you’re not a threat?
12:48 That was more a joke on what the characters actually discussed amongst themselves not what we saw and not serious critique
I think you need to be willing to see some flaws in a very static and dull Bryan Singer movie.
And the joke about Xavier almost killing humanity is that it makes no sense anyone would be on his side even if he was mind controlled.
12:20 CAN YOU IMAGINE IF A PRES... ? OH... I guess we already have that now..
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"X2: X-Men United - First in a while Viewing
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Since he brought it up, could you do a Harry Potter review?
Yes that would be great! two months dedicated to potter!
Just want to point out; even though the X-Men's jet is /called/ "the Blackbird", it is NOT an SR71. It is considerably larger, large enough to function as a transport for about a dozen people. The SR71 interior is tiny and cramped, most of it is occupied by advanced photography, surveillance, and relay equipment. Plus, it's the interior layout of a two-seat jet fighter (pilot and photographer/radio operator seated one behind the other).
I think it's meant to be a heavily modified SR71
Still the best X-men movie in my opinion!
Not as good as Logan.
@@trustinfaith9778 or Days of Future Past
@@victorm152 I rewatched days of future past, x2 sti better
Ah, I remember liking X2 when I was younger. It was my favorite X-Men film of all time until I look back at it and realize... it has its flaws.
NightCrawler was one of the best parts for me, but the rest of the movie fell flat. But hey, here’s to hoping MCU can make a better movie in the future.
Love the video by the way! Always love watching these during my off time. I also can’t wait till you get to X-Men: Origins Wolverine. That’s the review I’m looking forward to the most!
I love the scene where Ice guy freezes the bottle for Logan. That's 100% something i would to with that power and that makes the characters more 3 dimensional
Even when this movie first came out and I'd watch it on repeat over and over when I was younger, I always assumed that Logan's line of "She did make a choice. It was you." was referring to the fact that Jean chose Scott's life over her own and not that she chose Scott over Logan as far as a relationship goes like Doug and Rob refer to here.
man you guys pump out videos multiple times weekly, MUCH RESPECT!
Man, those quips about the president have aged FANTASTICALLY well with Biden as our current president in 2023 🤣
Gotta admit for 2003 these effects are amazing.
Why they keep bashing "The Wolverine"? SURE it has a kinda odd Climax, but is actually a very good film. Not great, but at least an OK film
The best X-Men movie ever is days of future past hands-down
Not Deadpool or Logan those are solo films
Noah Olson Agreed
Jennifer Lawrence really brings down the second trilogy for me. Rebecca Romijn was an infinitely better Mystique, in my opinion.
@I I'm glad that you feel that way. I don't, but art is subjective so its all good. 👍
Just rewatched it. I have to disagree, x2 still the best
It's still a good movie to me. Excellent villain, did a better job of juggling the characters than they give credit (Cyclops aside), and I give credit to the film for adapting God Loves, Man Kills in a way that works without being preachy or offensive in its own right.
Jon Smith
Yeah, but they kinda blew their load on using it as the plot of the second movie. Not to mention that the plot jumps around a bit.
@@RickyUzumaki993 Yeah, that was a ridiculous conclusion they had. Freakin' Phoenix was coming next movie! Using Stryker was a major case of restraint even if his goal was to eradicate mutants. They took a forgotten storyline with a minor villain and made it potent enough to say that they can't top it, even with a Top 3 legendary comic story arc? And this incredible success is somehow used against it? Give me a break. As for the plot, it was well focused for an ensemble movie. The threads are always coming together and converging on the same spot. Despite their banging on about a few scenes with Xavier, they used Wolverine's group as the focal point, gathering the rest of the cast for the climax. It was a well put together movie. Frankly, I'll take it over Infinity War any day.
Jon Smith
I disagree about it being better than Infinity War. Infinity War is the better movie by far to me
@@RickyUzumaki993 Meh, Infinity War was a pretty big mess really. Wildly inconsistent powers, dumb plot, idiotic villain motivation, and an ending that had no impact because anyone with a brain knows they only killed off the actors under contract. That train wreck got a massive pass.
*12:20*
*Buddy I'm sure Biden fits that description better 😂😂*
I still can't get over the Fact this guys thought that Professor X could lift the plane
Curseco Dude. They're gonna release a freaking critic of every X-men movie of the saga this month. For credibility they should at least know well the basic aspects of one of the main protagonist. Even more if they are trying to make fun of the "lack of coherence" in the powers in the movies. It's just hypocrite.
@@Curseco Read/control minds and moving objects with your mind. How are those similar? Because they're mind-based? That's like saying water and oil are the same because they're liquid.
First viewing in years is not the same as a first viewing. I appreciate that you guys honestly told us before the video but still.
Hello! Storm the mutant who can create STORMS, created a lightning storm so powerful that it knocked out the power, why do you think her eyes were glowing, there was a Storm raging outside and the power went out?
Seriously just gonna skip Magneto's escape scene? That's arguably the best part of the film.
Famke Janssen is the highlight of the film...no qualification...just her.
I don't care what you say! LOGAN was incredible!
12:14
Well, this didn’t age well
This is actually my favorite x-men film.
I liked The Wolverine
Same
Of the three main actresses in this movie (Berry, Janssen, Romjin), Rebecca Romjin is the only one who _hasn’t_ been in a Bond movie. This is probably because they were afraid she’d out-badass Pierce Brosnan.
*First class is the best X-Men movie*
A-freaking-men. First Class is the only X-men movie in my opinion... only movie where they actually looked like X-men...
*cough* Logan *cough*
No it’s obviously Days of Future Past. The simple inclusion of Bishop is proof
I'm still anxiously waiting for the X-Men to finally be in the MCU
@@somerandolad Yeah. I can't wait for the X-Men to be milked to death by a purely market driven franchise that has never even once tried to challenge themselves or done anything meaningful with their characters. The MCU is quantity over quality. When their first X-Men movie comes out, people will start missing the old ones.
I really hope your gonna do all the x-men movies!
ya know one thing i have to say about watching the NC’s first is seeing some of the jokes and thinking “is that a rob joke or a doug joke” i always put my money on the rob jokes being the darker ones
They really need to focus on the movie
Again
even if this was your first viewing, its still more times than Tamara's seen it
🎵X-men is a kick-ass show. Now you know!🎶
6:20, even when I this came out (I think I was 11), I thought Logan’s response should have been “history”. Ya know, because he fought in like every freaking war except 2?!
4:54 I been saying the same thing for years!!!
We have a "President" like that now thanks to voters like you.
when the dad asked Logan what he taught I wish he said metal shop. then at some point he was able to to display the claws in some way to the dad. like the middle claw?