More than one person commented saying 禁じ手あり means that forbidden moves are allowed, which is not the case. Hopefully this will help some Japanese learners: 禁じ手あり = 禁じ手がある, literally: There are forbidden moves (there are moves that are forbidden = forbidden moves are not allowed) 禁じ手なし = 禁じ手がない, literally: There are no forbidden moves (there are no moves that are forbidden = forbidden moves are allowed) Practical examples: ua-cam.com/video/a08PClSQWMs/v-deo.html Sora tells Miko and Subaru she has been practicing against the やばい CPU with 禁じ手なし ua-cam.com/video/LH0YfgRLHcM/v-deo.html The practice in question, here you can see Sora set all the forbidden moves to ゆるす (allow)
I feel like just saying "There are forbidden moves" works better, since "Forbidden moves are not allowed" is basically a tautology (I understand that these moves might be forbidden in a more specific sense, like "moves that are forbidden [in a standard competitive ruleset]", but for a person unaware of that context "forbidden is allowed/not allowed" just sounds silly)
For context, Kanade ended up playing with Nakayama Tomoharu 7 dan, professional renju (competitive gomoku narabe) player and ranked 3rd in Japan (and even finished 3rd in 2023 world championship). This was absolutely the final boss. Fitting opponent to end the stream.
That was very well executed from the opponent. The scariest moves aren't when they make a 3 or 4, but is instead when they are setting up an eventual 4-3 some turns later if not stopped.
The crux is "timing" attacks where there's many, many threats that you didn't check properly early on that coincide (and as soon as you "have" to put 2 pieces on the same turn, you lose) have to circle around and count moves like in Go, but it's much easier If you make knight's moves and don't create threats, you're giving your opp free turns.
@@annhoc against a competent opponent you are forced to defend if you are on white, she just defense wrong, always block the side that have a lot of enemy chess so they can't extend the line for more set up
how playing chess feels to me most of the time lol i think im doing well and all of a sudden everything falls apart and i end up floundering and yeah :D
En realidad solo tenía dos patrones para ganar aunque el único que lo podía hacer ganar era el de abajo ya que los demás si tenían una ficha tomando sus extremos.. solo por ese patrón de abajo ganó ya que es el único que le da la opción de tener dos lados libres 😅
japanese ranks are split between Kyuu and Dan it basically goes from 25th Kyuu -----> 1st Kyuu ---> 1st Dan ----> 9th Dan onwards. Dan is a 'professional' cut off point. You'd see it in martial arts where black belts start off from 1st Dan. This guy is online (Amateur) 9th Dan, but his actual tournament rank is 7th Dan, which is still ridiculously high. Another commentor said dude is ranked 3rd in Japan, won 3rd place in 2023 championship. I didn't double check but it sounds legit.
Nice clip, but imo Instead of highlighting the diagonal heading towards top left, you should've highlighted the vertical path that crosses the horizontal line, since that middle part where Kanade placed her piece would've been the next move if she blocked the initial attack. The other highlighted path is never going to be a winning path, nor does it contribute in a winning path
I assume they highlighted that diagonal because it's what meant she "already lost" at 2:08 (though her opponent ended up ultimately going a different route, if they made a 4 in a row at 3:08, those diagonal pieces would've been instrumental)
@@NhatAnhPhamDr There's a thin line between calculated moves and reckless ones man. I'd rather avoid that risk and settle the game with 2 winning moves at most.
Gomoku is a game where the first mover has a major advantage. If you can't push the first mover into a defensive position right from the get go, and it will be very hard to come back.
I love seeing the girls finds their niche with the most random thing. Like, who knew Ollie would be good at chess? Who knew Azki would be good at GeoGuessr? Who knew Kanade would be good at freakin gomoku of all things?
cut off enemy set up and looking for surprise counter is how you win on white, her second move is already a weak defense move, but the fact that she keep refuse to cut off that important position on her 5th move just seal the game, now the enemy have too much set up by taking that position
Any worthwhile defence requires some 'attack' or 'threat' in the first place. The issue with her strategy is that she 'defends' early attacks without building up her own threats. Basically the opponent could safely ignore her and just keep on the offense. An example would be at 1:28, where the opponent has 4 pieces, all of which are 'connected', and 2 of diagonals ended up being part of the winning sequence. On the other hand, Kanade similarly has 4 pieces on the board, but they're all spaced out by a knight's move, none of them could ever connect to each other.
禁じ手あり means there are forbidden moves. In other words "forbidden moves are indeed forbidden", or if we turn it into more natural English "the rules regarding forbidden moves apply". 禁じ手なし would mean "there are no forbidden moves", meaning restrictions for forbidden moves do not apply.
More than one person commented saying 禁じ手あり means that forbidden moves are allowed, which is not the case. Hopefully this will help some Japanese learners:
禁じ手あり = 禁じ手がある, literally: There are forbidden moves (there are moves that are forbidden = forbidden moves are not allowed)
禁じ手なし = 禁じ手がない, literally: There are no forbidden moves (there are no moves that are forbidden = forbidden moves are allowed)
Practical examples:
ua-cam.com/video/a08PClSQWMs/v-deo.html Sora tells Miko and Subaru she has been practicing against the やばい CPU with 禁じ手なし
ua-cam.com/video/LH0YfgRLHcM/v-deo.html The practice in question, here you can see Sora set all the forbidden moves to ゆるす (allow)
I feel like just saying "There are forbidden moves" works better, since "Forbidden moves are not allowed" is basically a tautology
(I understand that these moves might be forbidden in a more specific sense, like "moves that are forbidden [in a standard competitive ruleset]", but for a person unaware of that context "forbidden is allowed/not allowed" just sounds silly)
For context, Kanade ended up playing with Nakayama Tomoharu 7 dan, professional renju (competitive gomoku narabe) player and ranked 3rd in Japan (and even finished 3rd in 2023 world championship). This was absolutely the final boss. Fitting opponent to end the stream.
damn, pretty cool she got to play someone that level
Fuentes ? De los deseos 😂
@@ivanjaimeokliteralmente esta su nombre de pantalla ahi. Piensa un poquito.
So it's like when Suisei got smoked by the 2nd best Tetris player in the world?
Gotta say, "Amateur 9" as the rank name really undersells it then 🤣
That was very well executed from the opponent. The scariest moves aren't when they make a 3 or 4, but is instead when they are setting up an eventual 4-3 some turns later if not stopped.
Classic pro chess players. Had to guess at least 3 moves ahead
The crux is "timing" attacks where there's many, many threats that you didn't check properly early on that coincide (and as soon as you "have" to put 2 pieces on the same turn, you lose)
have to circle around and count moves like in Go, but it's much easier
If you make knight's moves and don't create threats, you're giving your opp free turns.
bruh i didnt even see that coming and dude had multiple winning moves out of nowhere😂
turn 2 she could have blocked him and extended her line completely changing the way it played out. This game should go to a tie 100% of the time.
On her turn before end of she play white on top left she can force him to defend. That can prolong the match more. Yes she too focus on defend.
Yeahh, i think kanade can win this game bruh, but the last strategy is fckng smarrttt shttt
@@annhoc against a competent opponent you are forced to defend if you are on white, she just defense wrong, always block the side that have a lot of enemy chess so they can't extend the line for more set up
@@Heatranoveryou If both players play perfectly, yes. The point is to punish mistakes.
this feels like getting trapped in your opponent's opening prep in chess. you just played all natural moves but all of a sudden you're just ded
how playing chess feels to me most of the time lol i think im doing well and all of a sudden everything falls apart and i end up floundering and yeah :D
@@hhdhpublicyup. playing like a 1500 ELO for 20 moves and suddenly walk right into a Checkmate in 4 somehow
People often don't realize, but blocking a 2-2 cross is way more important than blocking a 3-line
2:08 she is already lost when she put there 😂
she was almost dead on turn three, 0 threats against an opp with a block is a death sentence.
If you dont highlight that last move, I might have no idea that she's already lost
The moment the opponent puts a piece at 2:40, I can already see the pattern.
Dude lured her in for a trap. Very well executed
En realidad solo tenía dos patrones para ganar aunque el único que lo podía hacer ganar era el de abajo ya que los demás si tenían una ficha tomando sus extremos.. solo por ese patrón de abajo ganó ya que es el único que le da la opción de tener dos lados libres 😅
it's a guaranteed win after her move at 2:08. no trap required at that point
when the opponent makes a triangle, it's basically game over because you're stuck defending
Kanade: "Why do I hear boss music?"
2:13 literally said to me "you got a problem ?"
The new BGM was a "Boss Battle BGM," I guess.
keikaku dori...
Shimeshimeshimeshimeshimeji
shime-shime-shime SHIMEJI! Tsurareta NA?! Tsurarekuma!
@@TheGreatJinxhikkakatta na? Shime shimeji
Just as keikaku
TL note: Keikaku means plan
Masaka!
it's scary most would only set up 2 winning moves
but he setup like 3-4
esp that split one that's a really a nail in the coffin move.
Kanade get a taste of real gomoku power
this brings back tetris casual world competition flashback
ganbatte kusogaki..
I'm not even chess-like gamer but after 5 move i instantly know.."oh..She's done"
If i remember my ranks properly, it goes from 1 to 9(or 10-11-12-etc). This guy is 9-dan so he mustve been grinding the ladder for a long time.
japanese ranks are split between Kyuu and Dan
it basically goes from
25th Kyuu -----> 1st Kyuu ---> 1st Dan ----> 9th Dan onwards.
Dan is a 'professional' cut off point. You'd see it in martial arts where black belts start off from 1st Dan.
This guy is online (Amateur) 9th Dan, but his actual tournament rank is 7th Dan, which is still ridiculously high. Another commentor said dude is ranked 3rd in Japan, won 3rd place in 2023 championship. I didn't double check but it sounds legit.
Nice clip, but imo Instead of highlighting the diagonal heading towards top left, you should've highlighted the vertical path that crosses the horizontal line, since that middle part where Kanade placed her piece would've been the next move if she blocked the initial attack. The other highlighted path is never going to be a winning path, nor does it contribute in a winning path
I assume they highlighted that diagonal because it's what meant she "already lost" at 2:08 (though her opponent ended up ultimately going a different route, if they made a 4 in a row at 3:08, those diagonal pieces would've been instrumental)
It was joever when she let him build 2x2 block.
I think her opponet confuse by her move too, shr move like playing Go
Go is a much more skilled game
@hungerxhunger2548 But she didn't play Go.....
More or not Go skilled have no use here
@@forgame Just saying Go is a more skilled game.
Gomoku is not a hard game
this is some anime level stuff, kanade's gonna train and come back to win against this dude
This guy is like Suisei with Tetris. Never in my life have I ever see someone who can set up 3-4 winning moves like that
You’re definitely not playing enough, this is such a basic move. The trick is attacking non-stop, extend it as much as possible.
@@NhatAnhPhamDr There's a thin line between calculated moves and reckless ones man. I'd rather avoid that risk and settle the game with 2 winning moves at most.
@@brightside2210 The point is if you stop, you lose. Also most of the time it work, i win/lose in 1 single attacking streak
Susei is not that insane LoL
she lost when she put down her 5th
very strong guy
ggwp
she lost after her third, basically
second and third pieces were basically wasted tempo, conversion from there is a matter of time
Well tbh not starting as black is already a disadvantage but wow seeing the skills of a pro
When playing a high-ranking opponent, don't psyche yourself out. Stay calm, play your best, you might actually win.
That head tilt was cute
Gomoku is a game where the first mover has a major advantage. If you can't push the first mover into a defensive position right from the get go, and it will be very hard to come back.
When the boss music starts, expect facing a boss opponent 🔥
Amateur Div 9 💀 its so joever
The guy was just flexing. Already won multiple times against Kanade, so that's why the music was like that. It was boss music xD
The music was pretty nice to listen to.
I love seeing the girls finds their niche with the most random thing. Like, who knew Ollie would be good at chess? Who knew Azki would be good at GeoGuessr? Who knew Kanade would be good at freakin gomoku of all things?
cut off enemy set up and looking for surprise counter is how you win on white, her second move is already a weak defense move, but the fact that she keep refuse to cut off that important position on her 5th move just seal the game, now the enemy have too much set up by taking that position
her second and third move almost closed out the game by itself
letting your opp have a full corner (3/4 spots on a 2x2) is terrible.
2:08 is the losing point
me when no cuts and the video only 4 m long
You dont need to block 2 in a row, instead better set up your 2 in a row yourself.
I don't play Gomoku so I am curious if 2 pro players play together, how would they win? Or will it always end in a draw?
1 wrong move will lose. Similar to chess which has many traps
Even got the boss music lmao
* insert Vordt of the Boreal Valley *
Wait there are forbidden moves in that simple game ?! 😂
Is this an online version of gomoku? Where can i play it?
It's in the title of kanade's stream
Reminds me of the meme Russian kid against a chest grand master Anatoli Karpov 😂
That high rated player's name?
Sakura Miko
Owari da...
She should have focused on trying to get the 5 from the get go, she just fall right into his mind games
At least she tries
da main problem here is she dont know any kind of strat to attack or defend
Any worthwhile defence requires some 'attack' or 'threat' in the first place.
The issue with her strategy is that she 'defends' early attacks without building up her own threats. Basically the opponent could safely ignore her and just keep on the offense.
An example would be at 1:28, where the opponent has 4 pieces, all of which are 'connected', and 2 of diagonals ended up being part of the winning sequence.
On the other hand, Kanade similarly has 4 pieces on the board, but they're all spaced out by a knight's move, none of them could ever connect to each other.
@@Valk.. Kanade must've been playing the tilted board rules where 1:3 "diagonals" count 😂
Can someone tell me the rule of this game ?
doesn't it say 「禁じ手あり」and not なし？ 0:04? Why does it say not allowed? I haven't played gomoku so I don't really know
禁じ手あり means there are forbidden moves. In other words "forbidden moves are indeed forbidden", or if we turn it into more natural English "the rules regarding forbidden moves apply".
禁じ手なし would mean "there are no forbidden moves", meaning restrictions for forbidden moves do not apply.
@@noroiko7996 Oh I see, thank you for the explanation!
well, Kanade refused to take initiative.😅
attack is the best defense, she chances was slim but it’s zero when she refused to attack because she was intimidated by the rank
Yeah, you can't win if you're only playing defensively, full stop.