Practicing against the hardest CPU going first with all the forbidden moves allowed is a great way to level up your omok/gomoku levels because you get used to seeing the winning and losing board states, thus being less likely to be surprised or missing basic lines you should have blocked. A commendable practice strategy from everyone's favourite Soda-chan.
@fortypersec I believe the 3 forbidden rules in Clubhouse 51 are rules agaist 3-3, placing a stone that makes two unguarded lines of 3 thus guaranteeing a win in because the opposing player can't block both, the 3-4 rule which is similar but with an unguarded line of 3 and an unguarded line, and finally allowing wins with lines longer than 5 go stones.
Great gaming sense from her as usual, no surprises. She is actually one of the few members who think deeply about each game's system like a true gamer, basically every game that is either technical or puzzle-like are her happy hunting grounds.
For those wondering, the forbidden moves Sora is talking about probably are: - The rule of three and three: Any move that gives black two unbroken lines of three stones, unless white has "blocked" one of them by putting a piece next to one. So making a + shape, for instance, as black would be illegal, unless the opponent has covered one or more ends of the plus with a white stone. - The rule of four and four: Any move that gives black two unbroken rows of four stones is illegal whether those rows are blocked by white stones on the ends or not. - Overlines are not illegal to make, but black overlines cannot win. An overline is any unbroken line of more than five stones. So black is allowed to make a line of six stones if it chooses to do so (say, to block a white move), but the game continues. These apply to black and not white specifically because going first is a MASSIVE advantage in the game. Preventing black from doing certain things not only makes it harder for them to force wins, but makes it harder to defend, since if white only needs one move to win but blocking it is a forbidden move for black, well, that's checkmate.
On the rule of 3 and 3: If you have a single unblocked row of 3 (a line of 3 stones that is open to both sides), your opponent can just make it in time to block it. If you start with [ ]AAA[ ], they can play [B]AAA[ ], you play [B]AAAA[ ], and they can stop your attempt of reaching 5 by playing [B]AAAA[B] So if you already have an unblocked row of 3, your opponent immediately has to start blocking or they will lose. This means that the rule of 3 and 3 specifically prevents black from placing a stone that creates two unblocked rows of 3 in a single move. So it has to be an X, +, or L-shaped formation, in which one stone will be shared between your two rows. And that shared stone is the last one that you place, which turns two unblocked rows of 2 into two unblocked rows of 3 in a single move. Such a move immediately wins the game if it can be played, since your opponent would have to block both rows of 3 in a single move, which is impossible. Against the better Gomoku players in Hololive, these cross-setups are how they win practically every game. They are good enough so they don't simply miss a single-line win condition for their opponent, so their opponent generally has to win by creating a sneaky three/three, three/four, or four/four cross-setup. But for even better Gomoku players, going first gives such an overwhelming advantage that they could easily force a three/three. Black would be an auto-win for good players if this move wasn't banned for them.
@@sojourn6207I think that would be because your opponent has time to block the four, then consecutively block the 3, but I can also see that not being allowed cause it forces your opponents moves greatly
My mental image: **Sora emitting massive yakuza vibes as she unsheathes her katana, her looming shadow towering over Polka as she shivers with an "I'm so f*cked" expression on her face**
(forbidden knowledge alert) It's nice to have someone like Polka who is as old as soda chan (old as in industry debut). I believe sofa chan thinks of their relationship as rivals or middle aged ladies of same neighborhood
@@ashmanideep6253 True. I remember when Polka shocked Kanata by saying "I burned all my MP on this summon" and then telephoning Sora out of nowhere and getting her to come on the air
I saw Sora making her area of trickery and knew Polka was doomed relatively quickly. I saw it and understood what she was going for, but was there a solution at te point I saw it, nope, I'd be doomed too.
And you can see that Sora was even holding back in their mental warfare. She didn't even use her signature "ja teki da ne", then Polka would be scared to even show up
Poor Polka... Not only did Sora obliterate her in the match, she also played psychological warfare on her and succeeded. Sora's sadistic side is truly something to fear...
I didn't know how to play until Sora won but now I understand why she loses when going second it seems really hard to win while stopping black like the way Sora had it.
2:40 Sora made a blunder here. She could have extended it upwards instead of downwards, blocking Polka's 3-3 while creating a new line of 3. Fortunately, Polka didn't notice it and even made basic blunder a few turn later.
@@LuminousRen wouldn't it only be a bait if there wasn't a blunder as well? Edit: as op mentioned though, this was just a double blunder play by both players.
Sora may be a Goddess, yet she doesn’t show any mercy, as most of her own gen doesn’t either. Edit: I heard about Steinermathics, now I hear about Soramathics. 😂
You forgot to include in your title that this is a tournament to decide the weakest player and they're all actually weak, so there's some backseaters spawning...
Am I going crazy? Every single Gomoku battle I've seen in Hololive someone makes a mind-bogglingly stupid and obvious mistake do they not? I can't fathom how you could possibly have missed this. It's like seeing 200 rated chess players duke it out.
Polka basically had the "unwinnable scripted boss battle" experience
Tokino sORTa
"owari desu ne"
peak Sora-chan
Aka-chan has fallen asleep, Sora-chan has risen.
it's the same meaning as "Omae wa mo shindeiru"
...sou desu ne. D:
Sora-Chan really knows what to say perfectly for any occasion.
That's my Soda-chan, always ruthless to her enemies 😊
_Stand proud, you're strong_
-Sora probably
Practicing against the hardest CPU going first with all the forbidden moves allowed is a great way to level up your omok/gomoku levels because you get used to seeing the winning and losing board states, thus being less likely to be surprised or missing basic lines you should have blocked. A commendable practice strategy from everyone's favourite Soda-chan.
just wondering, what is this forbidden moves that was mentioned?
@fortypersec I believe the 3 forbidden rules in Clubhouse 51 are rules agaist 3-3, placing a stone that makes two unguarded lines of 3 thus guaranteeing a win in because the opposing player can't block both, the 3-4 rule which is similar but with an unguarded line of 3 and an unguarded line, and finally allowing wins with lines longer than 5 go stones.
"Sora dayo! So~ ra~"
Great gaming sense from her as usual, no surprises.
She is actually one of the few members who think deeply about each game's system like a true gamer, basically every game that is either technical or puzzle-like are her happy hunting grounds.
Bro , she really went "+100 Gravity training" right off the bat
For those wondering, the forbidden moves Sora is talking about probably are:
- The rule of three and three: Any move that gives black two unbroken lines of three stones, unless white has "blocked" one of them by putting a piece next to one. So making a + shape, for instance, as black would be illegal, unless the opponent has covered one or more ends of the plus with a white stone.
- The rule of four and four: Any move that gives black two unbroken rows of four stones is illegal whether those rows are blocked by white stones on the ends or not.
- Overlines are not illegal to make, but black overlines cannot win. An overline is any unbroken line of more than five stones. So black is allowed to make a line of six stones if it chooses to do so (say, to block a white move), but the game continues.
These apply to black and not white specifically because going first is a MASSIVE advantage in the game. Preventing black from doing certain things not only makes it harder for them to force wins, but makes it harder to defend, since if white only needs one move to win but blocking it is a forbidden move for black, well, that's checkmate.
On the rule of 3 and 3:
If you have a single unblocked row of 3 (a line of 3 stones that is open to both sides), your opponent can just make it in time to block it. If you start with [ ]AAA[ ], they can play [B]AAA[ ], you play [B]AAAA[ ], and they can stop your attempt of reaching 5 by playing [B]AAAA[B]
So if you already have an unblocked row of 3, your opponent immediately has to start blocking or they will lose.
This means that the rule of 3 and 3 specifically prevents black from placing a stone that creates two unblocked rows of 3 in a single move. So it has to be an X, +, or L-shaped formation, in which one stone will be shared between your two rows. And that shared stone is the last one that you place, which turns two unblocked rows of 2 into two unblocked rows of 3 in a single move.
Such a move immediately wins the game if it can be played, since your opponent would have to block both rows of 3 in a single move, which is impossible.
Against the better Gomoku players in Hololive, these cross-setups are how they win practically every game. They are good enough so they don't simply miss a single-line win condition for their opponent, so their opponent generally has to win by creating a sneaky three/three, three/four, or four/four cross-setup.
But for even better Gomoku players, going first gives such an overwhelming advantage that they could easily force a three/three. Black would be an auto-win for good players if this move wasn't banned for them.
Thank you for the explanation.
@@T33K3SS3LCH3N Is it allowed to have a blocked row of 3 and an unblocked row of 2 and then add a stone to create [B]AAAA[ ] and [ ]AAA[ ]?
@@sojourn6207I think that would be because your opponent has time to block the four, then consecutively block the 3, but I can also see that not being allowed cause it forces your opponents moves greatly
Sora: "To achieve victory, nothing is off the table, not even... the forbidden arts. I am sorry, Polka. But this ends now."
My mental image: **Sora emitting massive yakuza vibes as she unsheathes her katana, her looming shadow towering over Polka as she shivers with an "I'm so f*cked" expression on her face**
Sofa chan using one percent of her true power on polka
Sora looks cool when she does something serious
And oddly menacing when she's doing it.
"So you are the enemy."
Sora to Polka before the match. Probably.
Sora saw Polka as her opponent and decided to Lock In and practiced before the tournament lol
(forbidden knowledge alert)
It's nice to have someone like Polka who is as old as soda chan (old as in industry debut). I believe sofa chan thinks of their relationship as rivals or middle aged ladies of same neighborhood
@@ashmanideep6253 True. I remember when Polka shocked Kanata by saying "I burned all my MP on this summon" and then telephoning Sora out of nowhere and getting her to come on the air
I don't think I've ever seen Polka lose at this game. I guess she just can't beat the final boss.
She kind of misplayed once (2:30) and missed the obvious threat right after.
She lost the mental game
I think she was pretty much baited into making the wrong move , taking her attention from the center to focus on the diagonal
Sora once again destroying her opponents mentally before the actual battle even starts.
I saw Sora making her area of trickery and knew Polka was doomed relatively quickly.
I saw it and understood what she was going for, but was there a solution at te point I saw it, nope, I'd be doomed too.
Polka got a debuff before the game started from the daisenpai
And you can see that Sora was even holding back in their mental warfare. She didn't even use her signature "ja teki da ne", then Polka would be scared to even show up
Sora: So, you're the...
Polka: I forfeit, thank you very much. **flees instantly**
This really brings back the "Ja teki da ne" vibes
Poor Polka. She probably need to get comforted by her two immoto after this. Just hearing Polulu Onee-chan would probably heal her soul probably.
Sora-chan...is merciless... doesn't even give any changes at all, and uses a forbidden move for a win.
0:30 Ikari Polka: "There's no way!"
Subaru: "Get in the robot, Polka."
Polka lost before the game even started, lmao
0:18 Poor Polka lol
She just got ran over by the dai-senpai
"We don't even know what the forbidden moves are."
Sodachan: Omae wa mou shindeiru
Got matched up with Polka
Sora : So, you're the enemy.
Soda-chan can get surprisingly competitive when she put her mind into it and I love it. 😂
3:19 This comment was expected from Sora's no 1 fan...
Polpol: Sora-chan said something so i'll lose in advance.
Everyone: what did she say?
Sora: Tokino Sora desu.
Sora just going Overkill preparing for this tournament. LMAO
Sasuga KING
Who?
@@BeforeON3 Sora was nicknamed "KING" during dance training by the other Holo members (for her dancing and advice)
Sora is dai-senpai for a reason.
Polka: PoPo doesnt get in , huh ?
Narrator: PoPo in fact did not get it
No Mercy From Sora Nice
Don't mess with Daisenpai.
Fighting against Sora is like fighting against the origin of Hololive itself.
勇敢なアイドルよ… お前の力はステージにふさわしい。
-- そら、たぶん
Sora even beat Polka in the introductions lol.
Sora deserves the win. She training it and training always give you outcome.
Polka is so cute lol
Sora had already won the mental war against Polka before they started the game
Polka: a single misplay
Sora: "omae wa mou shindeiru"
polka got the final boss at the first round, rip
I like it when everyone is serious at the "I've watched Hikaru no Go before" level, but Sora takes it to the "I must learn the forbidden move" level.
2:53
Sora be like: Omaewa mou Shindeiru
1:25
Don't mind me...just keep scrolling along
uwogh?
@@zabu14CUTE AND FUNNY 😭😭💢💢💢💢
Love the Soda-Polka dynamics. Only few have the privilege of tasting Soba-chan's savagery in full.
Soda to PolPol: Jya, teki da ne?
wow a new line emerges 2025 is a blessing "you're done for" sasuga sora!
owari da...
Sora: Omae wa mou shinderu
Polka: NANI?!?
Sora: *talks about practicing against extreme difficulty NPC with forbidden moves allowed*
Polka: Why do I hear boss music?
pol : i'm so screwed
sora : you got that right
When you meet again in battle sporting a new form but you still get blitzed by the main character anyway
Polka got the Hololive equivalent dark souls gomuku DLC experience
*PLK Tries It™: Bugged Strategy Mechanics (Othello Edition)*
I can't believe Polka get clowned litterally at the start of the years😭
Even if Sora went second, her win rate would probably be closer to 100% against Polka 😅
Poor Polka...
Not only did Sora obliterate her in the match, she also played psychological warfare on her and succeeded.
Sora's sadistic side is truly something to fear...
She is the begining and the end, sasuga Sora queen
Nicely set up Soda chan
2:43 That's so OP so this is the forbidden move
that's why she called king
SASUGA DAI SENPAI / KING / HOLOLIVE'S FOUNDER🔥🔥 OVERWHELMING VICTORY
I feel bad for Polka. Sofa-chan is merciless regardless of who she is facing.
Owari da ~
Nene : AAAAAAAAAA
Sora is possessed by the ghost from hikari no go
HOLY I just remembered this is the exact tournament style they had in Hunter x Hunter. Only one loser.
Sora: its no use!
2:49 In Gomoku, you basically don't ever want to let an opponent's 3-in-a-row go uncontested. This was a blunder, not an outplay.
plot twist: Polka threw on purpose.
As expected from the final boss
I didn't know how to play until Sora won but now I understand why she loses when going second it seems really hard to win while stopping black like the way Sora had it.
Damn, I really just watched my oshi get steamrolled in a game she's usually good at. Daisenpai tax, I guess.
I feel like Polka sounds too much like laplus in this clip i keep double checking to see if laplus actually there 😭
In my heart Pol Pol is always number one!
No mercy for the kohai 😂😂😂
Soda chan strongest idol
of course sora-chan would be strong.
I thought Polka had a chance since she's really good at Othello but that wasn't even close lol
poor polka
Polka : Nah, I'd win
So basically sora-chi needs to go first like in Yu-Gi-Oh to commit FTK (first turn kill). 😅
2:40 Sora made a blunder here. She could have extended it upwards instead of downwards, blocking Polka's 3-3 while creating a new line of 3. Fortunately, Polka didn't notice it and even made basic blunder a few turn later.
It's about making your enemy nervous enough that they overlook things and focus on where your last move was instead of looking at the whole picture.
Not technically a blunder, more like a bait.
@@LuminousRen wouldn't it only be a bait if there wasn't a blunder as well? Edit: as op mentioned though, this was just a double blunder play by both players.
LOL damn!
Sora may be a Goddess, yet she doesn’t show any mercy, as most of her own gen doesn’t either.
Edit: I heard about Steinermathics, now I hear about Soramathics. 😂
KING
You forgot to include in your title that this is a tournament to decide the weakest player and they're all actually weak, so there's some backseaters spawning...
Backseaters is a constant in Hololive tourneys. It's a given.
-Sora teki da ne
polka had a winning chance
not as fast as mikos loss... but very similar
❤
Wait i just realised they advance when they lost what??😂😂
Because the tournament Miko and Subaru hosted was "The Weakest in Gomoku"
I love how casual Polka is with Sora. Usually people treat Sora as the Dasenpai, but Polka isn’t afraid of her since they knew each other in the past
she may have been a bit mentally afraid game-wise here, though lol
Did she lose on purpose? 😂
R/LastBoss
Am I going crazy? Every single Gomoku battle I've seen in Hololive someone makes a mind-bogglingly stupid and obvious mistake do they not? I can't fathom how you could possibly have missed this. It's like seeing 200 rated chess players duke it out.
Why blacks goes first? Its strange.
It's the same with chess anyway, with white always going first.
Ja, make da ne
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