My peers at school accused me of being preachy, so I started taking note of who was bringing it up at lunchtime. It was mostly them finding an excuse to poke fun at me. At least once there was a vegan ‘joke’ before I even sat down. Some people hate it when someone else is passionate about something and most people can’t stand the suggestion that they are doing something immoral.
@@tedf1471 Veganism is not a dogmatic faith to me, it is simply part of a moral code. I don’t like the idea of sentient beings suffering unnecessarily, so I try to avoid paying for it. It is not always easy or possible. No company is going to write on their labels ‘sweat shops used’ or ‘animals abused for this product’. It’s also one of the single biggest things you can do to reduce your negative impact on the environment (animal agriculture is a terribly inefficient and polluting industry and we could feed many times more people with the same land if everyone went vegan) and protect yourself from major killers like heart disease and cancer. I don’t think it’s the epitome of morality, its just a small thing to minimise the harm I cause. And I know a lot of people think it requires a lot of willpower and inconvenience, but that hasn’t been my experience.
@@saoirse7167 As someone who has recently had to address becoming Gluten intolerant, I too appreciate maybe more than in the past the moral/ethical elements of my diet. However, your vegan diet will still depend on workers in near servitude labouring to produce food acceptable to you. Human misery vs animal death? Awkward.
I'm old and I've been veggo/vegan since the only vegan sausages came in a can and tasted like dog food, but I'm still pleased AF to suddenly be an Avenger 💪🏻🌿
This why comedy is so good. Using humour to bring attention to serious issues in a light-hearted, but brutally honest way. Hopefully gets people thinking more!! Avengers, assemble!
@Jack Smith He's just keeping it 100 with all the meat eaters out there. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't like the way it makes you feel, maybe ask yourself why? Consuming meat and dairy has been pushed down everyone's throats like no one's business. Not just from family, even schools would give us milk during break times. So, if you think this is preachy then I would say stop using that as an excuse to assess your practices. All the best.
@Jack Smith Who's emotions are running high? I only speak facts when it comes to the veganism debate and there are plenty of them! The science directly shows us that eating a whole foods, plant-based diet is the best thing we can do for the planet and for our bodies in so many ways. And that's not to mention the needless suffering we put animals through for our momentary sensory pleasure. You suggest that your health problems mean you can't eat a diet full of carbs. May I ask why that is? I've never really understood when meat-eaters talk about vegans acting superior. For the vegan, it's never been about themselves. It's always been about putting an end to the exploitation and abuse. We don't care how you view us, whether that is being too preachy, holier than thou or whatever other bullshit you say to avoid the discomfort you feel when confronting why you do what you do. Because, frankly, there are bigger problems at hand.
Romesh’s rather arrogant stance that he is ethically better than someone eating meat exemplifies why people dislike ideological vegans, they think they are better humans, which they palpably aren’t. It doesnt make me feel uncomfortable just sad. He places himself in an extreme position and that is a problem…Extreme views and idealism always cause issues whatever it be - diet, nationalism, private v state owned, left v right, Corbyn v Starmer, Brexit and animal rights. ..Extremism has led to the rise of fascism and populism in so many countries including the UK. Moderate views have disappeared from politics and modern discourse. I have no doubt that it is better for the planet to reduce meat consumption and to improve farming practices, but evolutionary we wouldn’t be humans without eating meat (the evidence is very strong for that). Vegetarianism and veganism are modern inventions, we lost our hair which gave us the advantage that we could run faster and for longer to catch prey. There are a plethora of arguments showing that a vegan diet isn’t perfect..plants are one life form, animals are another, animals especially apes eat both and surprisingly so do some plants. Dogs can live on a meat free diet, but they wouldn’t choose to. Buddhists eat meat, contrary to popular thinking, so do Hindus…they simply cant kill it themselves (a cop out). As for Inuits well not many plants grow in the Arctic. I don’t think vegans will convince the French nor Italians, nor turks to give up meat and cheese. It is more effective to use Aristotles philosophy “moderation in all things” ..That is a much better way to get people on board, improve farming and reduce eating meat and animal products. I am happy to embrace not eating meat and cook food without meat and dairy, but I will not accept that my position of moderation is less ethical. In fact I would argue it is more ethical. I live by Aristotles moderate paradigm, I don’t eat much meat, I have kept chickens and if I became vegan I would have to dispose of the eggs, that is madness…I understand the terrible farming methods to supply eggs, but that is not an argument for veganism it is an argument against modern farming methods. alun x@@alimbo9436
oh please, I dislike farming practices and abuse, but eat meat, I dont feel uncomfortable at all confronting what I do. what I dislike are holier than though pricks @@alimbo9436
People don't like having the negative consequences of their actions shown to them. I've heard "stop trying to make us feel guilty" Only you can make yourself feel guilty, and if you do then that just shows that you know its wrong.
As a vegan you usually don't have to do much to make meat eaters feel morally attacked and their opinion threatened. Often, mere existence is enough. If you fail to do something because you find it unethical - for example the consumption of animal products - and this neglected behavior is an important part of the convictions and life of another person, then you are almost automatically a personified reproach. And these partly implicit accusations are then often more or less instinctively tried to counter-criticize accordingly. Relatively reflexively, the choice usually falls on the accusation of intolerance and disrespect. Respect and acceptance for one's own opinion is demanded and it is pointed out that as a meat eater you also accept the opinion of vegans. And on the surface, that sounds really reasonable at first. But the accusation of supposed disrespect is often used in order to say goodbye as a moral winner to a discussion that cannot be won otherwise. Criticism of such a fundamental behavior can understandably have a very provocative effect and one then reflexively tries to denounce something supposedly immoral in defense, and criticizing the non-acceptance of other opinions is obvious. But it doesn't work that simple. A main problem is that the two modes of action - vegan and non-vegan diet - are usually simply summarized as "eating behavior", as two supposedly equivalent alternatives from which everyone can freely choose. But if you think this thing further, it turns out that these two opposing positions are still NOT equivalent. Non-violence is not on a par with violence. Exploitation is not the same as justice. Slavery is not equal to the right to freedom. If someone is so tolerant of vegans that they accept their non-violent diet, it does not automatically follow that, in return, their violence-related diet must also be accepted or respected. The tolerance of violence is different from the tolerance of nonviolence. So if a meat eater accepts vegans, that is initially not a moral achievement - even if vegans are often perceived as annoying. The demand to tolerate the use of violence, on the other hand, is quite a demand and on a completely different level. It is understandable that one can easily feel attacked on an emotional level by such statements and take on the role of victim. The real victims here are the animals, not the people whose opinion is criticized. Yes, eating meat may be a very "personal decision" for the individual. But that's violence, racism, murder, rape and whether you beat the shit out of your kids every day equally. Just a very personal decision. But in the end, everyone has to answer for themselves whether it is a really good decision in each case ... We all have that choice. Vegans are so uncomfortable for people because they take your rose-tinted glasses off your head and show you reality. Because if you find that the actions that have been conditioned for a lifetime do not actually correlate with your own inner moral claim, then that is extremely uncomfortable and of course makes the ego emotionally defensive in some way. Inward and outward. Then, out of alleged self-protection, you unconsciously and desperately talk yourself into something that you would like to believe in, in order to convulsively maintain your own positive self-image. But unfortunately that's such a thing with believing. It's basically like any religion. As is well known, “belief” is the acceptance of statements that are not proved or cannot be proven . But it is not an unproven belief, but a fact that human consumption of animal products causes enormous suffering and environmental damage - and it would be more religious to deny such a thing.
I think it's the same feeling people with obesity and diabetes feel when someone tells them to eat healthier food and exercise. They know it's the right thing to do but they don't like being told what to do and they're addicted to sugar.
vegetarian here 22 years.. stop preaching abt 15 years ago.. the hate is from the fear of discipline and as you said its spiritually and intuitively the right thing to do🤷🏾♂️
Best way to save the earth and environment is to reduce the human population. I suggest a max of 2 billion people. We can achieve this within 100 years. Its like deciding how many children you want in your familie. How many can fit in your house? How much money do you earn to feed your future children? Make that de decision but on a global scale.
@@ProjectFight animals dont drive cars, buy plastic bottles, live in heated houses. Reducing human population would reduce any negative impact we have on the earth. Not only animal wellfair.
@@yuboka49 No, but we drive truks, ships and car for them, we deforest forest to produce more meat, we grow more crops to feed them and so on... and they are 10 times more than humans. And produce more Co2 and methane than humans do.
This is the right take. Not having a child will literally save more of the environment than any one person can save through veganism. Even if the child chose to live out all their days as a vegan the world is set up in a way that they will still contribute massively to is degradation unless they go fully off the grid.
@@RamblyBear than don't have a child and go vegan too...double benefit huh??? And if u make ur child vegan than he would preach veganism and would make other people vegan...so it would kinda save more environment as just bcoz of ur child so many people would go vegan
Romesh, I am vegan. I have been for ten years. I was so glad you went vegan. I don't feel like I am better because I am VEGAN, though. I try to be an adult about it all. I feel better because I can live a very long life, and after my friends are gone, I can visit their graves. And I can laugh at them, for making fun of me. For mocking my salads and tofu. "I hope you loved those chili dogs and meat lovers pizzas, because it turned out you were dead wrong!"
lol I love it. I just turned 30 and my friends are all falling apart at the seams while I swear I look better than I did 10 years ago when I first made the switch. Karma's not instant but it turns out not eating rotting corpses is good for more than just the planet.
With the advent of shmeat, no excuse. If there's ever going to be a way that a meat product is easier/cheaper to produce than by farming animals, the opportunity will be pounced & capitalised upon [consider this to be in progress as an earnest effort to solve the real world problem that feeding ahuman population creates]. Lab-grown meat is actual meat, not pea protein or a substitute, but the process of cloning tissue removes the animal and its suffering/death from the equation. There wouldn't be as much of problem if it wasn't for the space & resources required to bring a meat product to market, not to mention making it safe with veterinarian drugs/vaccinations and those periodic culls of entire herds/industrial farm units due to how quickly a disease can spread among a species that has no communicable knowledge of an illness it contracts that would warn its own kind and lead to a responsible separation/quarantine. How humans farm livestock is antiquated at best and yet battery farming is relatively new - there's not much hope it will ever catch up with population growth though, and so the solutions must come from other methods - considering protein can be made from air, it's reasonable to assume animal flesh as a 'product' has had its day.
It’s so sad to be gluten intolerant, they’ll be accommodated with a sense of you poor thing but fk me trying to save animal we are insane terr oh wrists.
The studys that show veganism is better for the planet focus on no one eating meat they don't take I to account the fact that the majority of vegans survive on imported products, I would like to see a sect of vegans that only ate vegetables and fruit from there local environment
Do you have any research that shows that more vegans buy imported goods than omnis? I’m always encouraging people to grow their own fruit and veg. Organic flower farmer here so we also want to encourage people to buy local flowers too (currently 80% are imported and I’m certain most of them are omnis). 99% of people are omnis - it’d be interesting to see what percentage of those only buy local produce, grow their own and forage. Most vegans are vegan because they don’t agree with animal cruelty and exploitation, however, most that I speak to are pretty interested in the environment too…
As much as this video is a laugh, and I love it. There is one thing though that is much higher on the list of ethical superiority in terms of taking care of the world, its not having children. Unless you go fully off the grid as a vegan with your children, in their lifetime even if they too commit to the vegan lifestyle from birth, they will consume more than you save through veganism. So I have the high ground once again Romesh (makes swashbuckling sounds). Ha Harrrr.
@@BigKeith805 you definitely have good odds. Your job, commute method, country, and source of vegan produce might negate some of that. The most sure fire way to ensure victory would be to adopt an already existing child and convert them to vegan. /s
@@rick777888 you got good odds on winning, but a few other factors might go in my favour. The way to ensure victory, adopt an already existing child who is not a vegan, convert them to vegan.
I'm not a vegan primarily because I already am so restrictive in what I eat so restricting it even more would be worse for me. But I mean, I have cooked for vegetarians of which three of my closest friends are (with one being pescatarian). If one of them switched switched to Vegan... I probably would just shrug and look up vegan recipes to make. It's like a challenge rather than an annoyance. It's an annoyance if I'm told on the night they come round and no one warns me ahead that someone is vegan or veggie.
There is currently not a single form of large scale production agricultural for produce that does not do significant harm to the immediate ecosystem and environment. In contrast there are more and more regenerative/holistic meat production models that not only do a great service to there immediately ecosystem and environment, by replacing keystone species, but also have far less of a carbon footprint. In fact when done in a regenerative and holistic way meat production is actually a net negative for Co2 (it sequesters carbon). Large scale crop production on the other hand has a huge carbon footprint and requires significant pesticides,herbicides and synthetic fertilizers. Not to mention the need to continually apply nutrients and minerals to the ever more depleted soils which have become mostly sterile through the farming practices required for large scale production. Large scale production agriculture removes nature form the land and replaces it with the crop and is the largest cause of species extinctions and pressure in recent history. Large scale regenerative/holistic meat production can be done in and with nature and can actually benefit nature by replacing keystone species. In many cases it was crop production that was the cause of the loss of the keystone species. These are absolute truths! Curious how your math brought you so far into stupid and misinformed.
your argument that you seem to brandish as if you were the first in history to use it, I am afraid it is tremendously boring and stupid because all vegans have heard it dozens of times. And it is so easy to reject it with a single piece of information that one feels ashamed of others. It is a classic sophistry. Between 60 and 80%, depending on the country, of everything cultivated, is dedicated to feeding livestock. If you really care about CO2 emissions that much, you should go vegan this afternoon. If you want this same argument developed in depth and with a multitude of reliable statistics, please check it out from the 1.30 minute ua-cam.com/video/0QTNgKpV_K4/v-deo.html And finally, it is good that you understand that the main reason why more and more people are becoming vegan is not emissions, although we are very happy, not even our own health, although again it is a joy to know that they worst diseases of the 21st century are closely linked to animal consumption. But the main reason is that we do not want millions and millions of sentient beings to be raised exclusively to suffer their entire short lives and then be killed. And all non-vegans know as well as we do that this is the morally correct thing to do and you make up ten thousand excuses in order not to acknowledge that you are on the wrong side of history.
@@Rafa.veganism_bikes PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THIS TIME!!! The argument you suggest I was boringly brandishing is not the argument I presented at all in any way. In fact did not make an argument at any point simply stated facts. Never once did I compare row cropping for meat production vs. row cropping for veganism. All row cropping is equally completely devastating to its ecosystem and habitat. I do not see any intelligence in the argument you suggest and video you linked that explains how much more of the devastation caused by row cropping is because of meat production vs. veganism so become a vegan. This would only increase the amount of devastation done for veganism and reduce the amount done for meat production. Not intelligent or moral. The general consensus is that modern agriculture practices are causing significant damage and complete devastation to natural habitats and ecosystems and we need to figure out how to do things differently. The entirety of what I had presented is that meat production can be done in not only a non detrimental way with nature but in a mutually beneficial way with nature in a holistic and regenerative manner without any row crop input. I understand that most meat production currently uses row crop input, but it is not required or necessary and can be done entirely without, again in symbiosis with the native habitat and ecosystem. Veganism cannot and is entirely dependent on row cropping which cannot be done with nature. Range land and pasture/hay land is not and should not be in the same agricultural category as row cropping as most already existed naturally and even the land that was developed for these purposes begins to benefit the native species. Again you can produce meat in a holistic manner without any row cropping inputs so please don’t boringly and stupidly assume I am brandishing an argument. As for the carbon footprint, which I am not terribly concerned with, again in a holistic and regenerative model without any row crop input is actually a net negative for carbon footprint. So I will not become a vegan today or any day for that matter. As for the morality of it all harvesting an organism of any kind should be looked at as equal through this lens. You won’t eat the secretions from an animal but will from a plant?? Maybe you think the plant enjoys it. Most plants have developed defenses against this. Studies are also showing that plants can communicate and show conscious decision making. Most crops when harvested are already dead so technically you didn’t kill them, but they were raised in an unhealthy nutrient deficient soil in a mono crop situation. Maybe if the animals died of old age then it could be vegan approved meat?? In short veganism is not dietary decisions being made in the name of saving the planet or not harming an ecosystem,(if so then you should become an omnivore today), nor some form of morality. Veganism is emotionally limited morality completely devastating to ecosystems and at the end of the day just another ism. That’s right just another form of man made bigotry. If sexism and racism wasn’t enough now we have foodism. Again this is all absolute truth (make sure you google that this time) and of course actually read before responding so you don’t sound so stupid in the future. At which point you won’t respond just return to being an omnivore. Let me know if the animals dying of old age would be something that vegans could stomach. I’m thinking we could really corner the market on vegan approved meats. Curious do vegan crops get fertilized with manure or strictly synthetic fertilizers?
@@brettadams417 you say we CAN produce meat in a holistic manner, but do we? 26% of ice-free land is used for livestock, which in most cases is not sustainable. The price of meat is ridiculously low, so farmers do not even make money without subsidies from government. 2/3 of all the crops is used for feeding livestock. Meat production currently is in no way sustainable and that is the fact. Forrest is buying cut down to make more space for livestock and their food. But then other products can also be, ex. avocados are not sustainable, cause they require so much water. The best way for us to improve the way we eat and make it sustainable is to eat locally and seasonally. I live in Finland, where you have lots of herring, but it is cheaper to import them from Sweden I believe, so people are buying fish, which needs to be imported and that makes it unsustainable. And on top of that, eating meat correlates to many diseases, which then leads to pandemic (ex. Covid) and puts a massive strain on healthcare and economy. But then, humans just weren't built for eating meat, just look at our teeth or pH of our stomach. Or drinking milk of other species, just look at the amount of people who are lactose intolerant.
@@angel17223 I have already acknowledged that 60-80% of row cropping goes to feeding livestock, this is mostly in 1st world countries and is a direct result of government subsidies and is also entirely a modern issue. In underdeveloped countries and in times past, it has never made sense as it is a significant deficit of protein to feed livestock grain...you would have more available food by just eating the crop yourself than feeding it to an animal that would give you less than the sum you fed it. I have acknowledged that the general consensus is that our agricultural practices both meat and row cropping in our modern 1st world countries is completely devastating and yes is unsustainable. The difference is that there is no alternative to large scale crop production that is not detrimental and completely devastating to its ecosystem and environment, but as for meat production, it can be done in not only a non detrimental way but rather a mutually beneficial way with nature and is catching on more every year. Meat production can be done completely absent of row cropping and is not necessary and is actually harmful to the animals that it is be fed to. They actually had to develop breeds that could actually survive long enough on such a terrible diet in these feed lot models of meat production. The problems with how we produce meat are driven by our societal dynamics and our governing models. This means it can be corrected and yes shopping for locally grown food and seasonally would be a huge aspect. There is also a component of raising the right animal for your ecosystem and environment...cattle will not always be able to be raised in a non detrimental way in all places, so we as local producers and consumers should realize and appreciate this and select accordingly. If the consumers only want beef then the farmers have no choice and will go down an unsustainable path. The amount of land used for meat production is completely sustainable the only part of modern meat production that is not sustainable is tied to the completely devastating practices of row cropping to feed livestock and farmers having no choice but to raise 1 of three or four animals because the consumers have such boring diets. In fact the amount of land used for agricultural has no impact or consequence on sustainability because in a holistic regenerative model you are benefiting and improving the ecosystems you take part in as you develop symbiosis with nature.
Just looking at the stats about over half of vegans go back to a vegetarian or omnivore diet within the first year. "More people are choosing a vegan diet".. mhm... 80% of those will be back to gnawing on a rib within 2 years. To get real, unbias information is difficult. I'm not going to be shown statistics from a very biased, dyed in the wool vegan, just like I won't get my information about veganism from a cattle farmer.
Used to be vegan. My health gradually declined and I was constantly hungry. So I went back to being vegetarian. Still doing my bit but perhaps one day when veganism further evolves I can try again.
Tips: take a b12 supplement daily and a vitamin D supplement if you aren’t getting enough sunlight. Contrary to popular belief there are loads of adequate vegan sources of protein both processed and plant based. Lentils and pulses should be a staple part of your diet for example as they are good sources of protein and (fairly) good sources of iron. Tofu, nuts and seeds and oats are great sources of protein too. A quick google search will reveal many more. Tofu, spinach, kale and beet are also good sources of iron. That’s virtually the entire nutritional content of meat covered. Dairy replacement are even easier. Most milk alternatives contain calcium, protein and b12. If you want more calcium, tofu tempeh, leafy greens sesame seeds, tahini and, again pulses are all good sources. Also, brown and white bread in the UK are all fortified with calcium by law, probably because people aren’t getting enough even on a meat/dairy based diet. That’s basically everything you would normally get from a meat/dairy based diet covered by a vegan diet. Everything else you should already be getting anyway if you eat properly. Hope this helps.
This needs to be mentioned. Veganism is good but not great. Some aspects are unSpiritual and unhealthy. Firstly there are so many vegan products that are full of chemicals, processed shit and mostly nobody even knows what a lot of these products are even made from. Veganism also includes not wearing or owning anything animal derived but this isn't great either. Say a cow has died through natural causes and is just left to rot. This is bad for the environment as the cowhide is wastage causing littering to the Earth. These cowhides are beautiful organic materials thats are more than suitable for human use. There is nothing wrong in utilising this high quality God given product which helps humans with so many things from clothing, footwear, baggage and all sorts of useful items. Also, sheepskin, etc. are advised in ancient text to sit on whilst meditation so as to protect from the Earth's current. It is perfectly ethical to utilise these animal products should the beautiful animal die of natural cause. Even in Hinduism, God's are seen wearing and seated on animal skins. Animals are dying all the time and it is a good thing to benefit from the left behind remains for the betterment of humanity and the planet. A better choice would be to go plant-based whole foods. This eating plan, I found is the best, Spiritually, for health, ethics and environment. Second only to the raw foods eating plan but that is far too restrictive for the average person. Things to ponder.
Having anglophiled his Indian name ~ it's Ranga"naadhan" not Ranga"naythan" ~ he should be one to lecture others on ethics! Fall at his feet and worship him? My foot!
Romesh’s rather arrogant stance that he is ethically better than someone eating meat exemplifies why people dislike ideological vegans, they think they are better humans, which they palpably aren’t. He places himself in an extreme position and that is a problem…Extreme views and idealism always cause issues whatever it be - diet, nationalism, private v state owned, left v right, Corbyn v Starmer, Brexit and animal rights. ..Extremism has led to the rise of fascism and populism in so many countries including the UK. Moderate views have disappeared from politics and modern discourse. I have no doubt that it is better for the planet to reduce meat consumption and to improve farming practices, but evolutionary we wouldn’t be humans without eating meat (the evidence is very strong for that). Vegetarianism and veganism are modern inventions, we lost our hair which gave us the advantage that we could run faster and for longer to catch prey. There are a plethora of arguments showing that a vegan diet isn’t perfect..plants are one life form, animals are another, animals especially apes eat both and surprisingly so do some plants. Dogs can live on a meat free diet, but they wouldn’t choose to. Buddhists eat meat, contrary to popular thinking, so do Hindus…they simply cant kill it themselves (a cop out). As for Inuits well not many plants grow in the Arctic. I don’t think vegans will convince the French nor Italians, nor turks to give up meat and cheese. It is more effective to use Aristotles philosophy “moderation in all things” ..That is a much better way to get people on board, improve farming and reduce eating meat and animal products. I am happy to embrace not eating meat and cook food without meat and dairy, but I will not accept that my position of moderation is less ethical. In fact I would argue it is more ethical. I live by Aristotles moderate paradigm, I don’t eat much meat, I have kept chickens and if I became vegan I would have to dispose of the eggs, that is madness…I understand the terrible farming methods to supply eggs, but that is not an argument for veganism it is an argument against modern farming methods.
Mate that's not why I hate vegans. I don't hate the majority of vegans to begin with. It's the small minority of vegans that are arrogant as shit and treat us meat eaters as unethical, taking the moral high ground. Respect non-vegans like I respect your veganism. This should be mutual lol
Unfortunately for Romesh, this kind of smug condescension will not further his argument that veganism is morally superior (and it could be). People just aren’t buying it, and until you find a way to actually make people listen, they never will. But carry on considering yourself superior if that helps you
Oh, it's Romesh being serious? Disappointing. Well he's wrong. If everyone became a vegan who would save the planets plant life? What about all the suffering and risk of eradication of plant life? Being vegan is selfish. Us omnivores eating in balance are keeping our planet balanced and flourishing.
Yes eating non veg in limits and naturally is fine Because today's covid spread through animals meat like bat dogs raccoon. I am vegan but i eat eggs too .balance nature. Humans are omnivorous
Well, more plants are eaten by the animals that u people raise in farms.What does a diary cow and a farm goat eat? A diary cow eat atleast 10X kgs of plants than a vegan. So If world went vegan tmrw, the overall consumption of plants will drastically reduce.. So if u love plants that much, then the first thing u can do is go vegan tomorrow.
It's always funny how people who are obviously indifferent to animal suffering often develop a spontaneous concern about plant suffering. ;) If you answer criticism with counter-criticism instead of refuting the criticism yourself, that is a logical fallacy called "Tu Quoque" (Latin for you too!) If one also implies that it is probably the same thing to pick a flower or rip off the legs of a cat, then that is not only very cynical but also another fallacy known as “false equivalence”. So why do vegans allegedly worry about other living things and criticize the killing of animals, but have fewer problems killing plants? No, that is not because plants do not have cute button eyes that make you sentimental or that it is not so nice to stroke them, because vegans do not eat animal products - not even from "ugly" animals. Short answer: Plants are not consciously capable of suffering and cannot feel pain. Of course, they are also living beings. When a vegan speaks - perhaps somewhat imprecisely - of living beings, he generally means "living beings capable of suffering". Plants have nothing that can be compared to a central nervous system or a brain. There are now and then pseudoscientific studies according to which plants supposedly start to “scream” when someone approaches them who has torn off leaves or where one thinks to prove that plants, although they have no ears, like to talk to them and gladly listening to classical music. However, extensive reputable research has not produced any evidence that plants have any kind of conscious sensation. Pain exists to protect higher living beings from harm. But since plants cannot escape, it makes no evolutionary sense that they would develop something like a pain sensation. We have now well understood what is a prerequisite for something like consciousness and pain sensitivity and without something like a central nervous system and a kind of brain, such a thing does not exist in nature. Plants are most likely something like biological automatons. Of course, they also react to their environment and sometimes also communicate with one another to a certain extent. But that is also what smartphones do, for example, and we would hardly call them capable of suffering in a conscious sense. Even if it were so that one could expect that plants have some kind of consciousness, one should of course try to create as little plant suffering as possible without giving up one's right to live. For ecological reasons, plants should already be damaged as little as possible today. And vegans kill particularly few plants, because to produce animal products you have to feed many more plants. Depending on the type of animal, up to 15 times as many calories are required from plants as are subsequently obtained in the form of meat. In order to cover my energy needs, I can either kill a certain amount of plants that are presumably capable of suffering, or an animal that is definitely capable of suffering, for whose feeding a multiple number of plants had to be killed beforehand. Even if, contrary to any scientific knowledge, one not only assumes that plants and animals can equally feel suffering and pain, but hypothetically denies animals the ability to suffer and assumes that plants can actually suffer, I have the choice of whether I feel the suffering of some plants by eating them directly, or causing multiple plant suffering by eating meat. So even if plants are capable of suffering and animals are not, vegans cause less suffering. And if we leave out the fictitious assumption that animals don't suffer, the suffering of the animal even adds to that of the plants on top. If all this does not convince you that there are decisive differences between animals and plants, you can do a little experiment for yourself: people have the rather strange custom of handing over the genital organs of plants on different occasions. Just give away a bouquet of pig penises at the next opportunity and let me know how it went. ;)
Rangnation lied. He said he wasn't humorous. No I found this video pretty funny. I like how he admits why majority of people "hate" vegans. Fyi, no one hates vegans, we love you as much as we love the farmer who slaughters the pig. I would totally be friends with a vegan as long as they are not constantly shoving veganism down my throat. And hey if you want to come over my place and bring some sort of vegan dish with you for yourself for dinner then by all means do so. While I eat a burger we order you salad worst cream scenario. It's not that serious. But since we are being honest you think you are a better person than someone who eats meat but I am smarter than you for eating meat. I did not let some wacky person convince me of something that had never been a problem for us as long as humans roamed the earth.
No, problem at all, fellow. Enjoy the carcass you're devouring, Mr vulture (I find so funny, you guys pride yourself on eating flesh, you think you resemble a majestic lion, but you're actually behaving more like hyenas or rats, eating corpses that others has killed) Ps, For centuries, humans also used to throw on the streets the urine and feces, and have slaves, and bath once a year, but we don't do that anymore, do we
@@Rafa.veganism_bikes You have one thing right for sure. The PH of the human stomach is 1.2-1.3 which is exactly the same as vultures, buzzards which means we evolved to eat rotting flesh.
And there people is the difference between comedy and wisdom. Romesh is comedy, George Carlin was wise. Watch his stance on 'save the planet' and you'll understand what I mean.
Exactly! This is why I hate people who are against child abuse. They're always shoving it in my face and telling me it's wrong to punch kids. Like I get that they don't wanna punch kids but that's their choice.
Just wanted to comment and let everyone here know that I am vegan btw.
lol love it
Me too! For the animals?
Lol representing VCJ
u dont support the harm abuse of animals!?!? How dare you!
My peers at school accused me of being preachy, so I started taking note of who was bringing it up at lunchtime. It was mostly them finding an excuse to poke fun at me. At least once there was a vegan ‘joke’ before I even sat down. Some people hate it when someone else is passionate about something and most people can’t stand the suggestion that they are doing something immoral.
Because not being a vegan is not immoral? Absolute belief is a fatal dead-end (probably...)
@@tedf1471 yes that is because you are eating dead bodies everyday
@@tedf1471 Veganism is not a dogmatic faith to me, it is simply part of a moral code. I don’t like the idea of sentient beings suffering unnecessarily, so I try to avoid paying for it. It is not always easy or possible. No company is going to write on their labels ‘sweat shops used’ or ‘animals abused for this product’. It’s also one of the single biggest things you can do to reduce your negative impact on the environment (animal agriculture is a terribly inefficient and polluting industry and we could feed many times more people with the same land if everyone went vegan) and protect yourself from major killers like heart disease and cancer. I don’t think it’s the epitome of morality, its just a small thing to minimise the harm I cause. And I know a lot of people think it requires a lot of willpower and inconvenience, but that hasn’t been my experience.
@@saoirse7167 As someone who has recently had to address becoming Gluten intolerant, I too appreciate maybe more than in the past the moral/ethical elements of my diet. However, your vegan diet will still depend on workers in near servitude labouring to produce food acceptable to you. Human misery vs animal death? Awkward.
@@tedf1471 human misery? lol making vegan food is not that hard.
YAY! I've never been refered to as an Avenger! That's so cool. Loved this message. Thanks! ❤
I'm old and I've been veggo/vegan since the only vegan sausages came in a can and tasted like dog food, but I'm still pleased AF to suddenly be an Avenger 💪🏻🌿
😂😂😂
How did you know they tasted like dog food?
Age is just a number, you're a hero and inspiration. Bless you!
This why comedy is so good. Using humour to bring attention to serious issues in a light-hearted, but brutally honest way. Hopefully gets people thinking more!! Avengers, assemble!
@Jack Smith He's just keeping it 100 with all the meat eaters out there. Nothing wrong with that. If you don't like the way it makes you feel, maybe ask yourself why?
Consuming meat and dairy has been pushed down everyone's throats like no one's business. Not just from family, even schools would give us milk during break times. So, if you think this is preachy then I would say stop using that as an excuse to assess your practices. All the best.
@Jack Smith Who's emotions are running high? I only speak facts when it comes to the veganism debate and there are plenty of them! The science directly shows us that eating a whole foods, plant-based diet is the best thing we can do for the planet and for our bodies in so many ways. And that's not to mention the needless suffering we put animals through for our momentary sensory pleasure.
You suggest that your health problems mean you can't eat a diet full of carbs. May I ask why that is?
I've never really understood when meat-eaters talk about vegans acting superior. For the vegan, it's never been about themselves. It's always been about putting an end to the exploitation and abuse. We don't care how you view us, whether that is being too preachy, holier than thou or whatever other bullshit you say to avoid the discomfort you feel when confronting why you do what you do. Because, frankly, there are bigger problems at hand.
Jack Smith had no good response and deleted his comments. Maybe you made him think about his cognitive dissonance!
Romesh’s rather arrogant stance that he is ethically better than someone eating meat exemplifies why people dislike ideological vegans, they think they are better humans, which they palpably aren’t. It doesnt make me feel uncomfortable just sad.
He places himself in an extreme position and that is a problem…Extreme views and idealism always cause issues whatever it be - diet, nationalism, private v state owned, left v right, Corbyn v Starmer, Brexit and animal rights. ..Extremism has led to the rise of fascism and populism in so many countries including the UK. Moderate views have disappeared from politics and modern discourse.
I have no doubt that it is better for the planet to reduce meat consumption and to improve farming practices, but evolutionary we wouldn’t be humans without eating meat (the evidence is very strong for that). Vegetarianism and veganism are modern inventions, we lost our hair which gave us the advantage that we could run faster and for longer to catch prey. There are a plethora of arguments showing that a vegan diet isn’t perfect..plants are one life form, animals are another, animals especially apes eat both and surprisingly so do some plants. Dogs can live on a meat free diet, but they wouldn’t choose to. Buddhists eat meat, contrary to popular thinking, so do Hindus…they simply cant kill it themselves (a cop out). As for Inuits well not many plants grow in the Arctic. I don’t think vegans will convince the French nor Italians, nor turks to give up meat and cheese.
It is more effective to use Aristotles philosophy “moderation in all things” ..That is a much better way to get people on board, improve farming and reduce eating meat and animal products.
I am happy to embrace not eating meat and cook food without meat and dairy, but I will not accept that my position of moderation is less ethical. In fact I would argue it is more ethical.
I live by Aristotles moderate paradigm, I don’t eat much meat, I have kept chickens and if I became vegan I would have to dispose of the eggs, that is madness…I understand the terrible farming methods to supply eggs, but that is not an argument for veganism it is an argument against modern farming methods.
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oh please, I dislike farming practices and abuse, but eat meat, I dont feel uncomfortable at all confronting what I do. what I dislike are holier than though pricks
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I'm vegan btw.
don’t care mate
@@JakTheLad And yet you're here, commenting.
Spot on
I’m going to burst
Not laughed this hard in ages
People don't like having the negative consequences of their actions shown to them. I've heard "stop trying to make us feel guilty" Only you can make yourself feel guilty, and if you do then that just shows that you know its wrong.
I'm still vegan, btw
It’s so good to be vegan! Save the planet 🌎!
I am vegan
Vegans are fun to pick on because their diet causes them to be mentally unstable.
It is so good to live vegan! 🌱✌🏽
Until you are suicidal, look anemic and are on 8 depression meds!
@@DadJokeBros Yeah, like that vegan, Anthony Bourdain.
As a vegan you usually don't have to do much to make meat eaters feel morally attacked and their opinion threatened. Often, mere existence is enough. If you fail to do something because you find it unethical - for example the consumption of animal products - and this neglected behavior is an important part of the convictions and life of another person, then you are almost automatically a personified reproach.
And these partly implicit accusations are then often more or less instinctively tried to counter-criticize accordingly. Relatively reflexively, the choice usually falls on the accusation of intolerance and disrespect. Respect and acceptance for one's own opinion is demanded and it is pointed out that as a meat eater you also accept the opinion of vegans.
And on the surface, that sounds really reasonable at first. But the accusation of supposed disrespect is often used in order to say goodbye as a moral winner to a discussion that cannot be won otherwise. Criticism of such a fundamental behavior can understandably have a very provocative effect and one then reflexively tries to denounce something supposedly immoral in defense, and criticizing the non-acceptance of other opinions is obvious.
But it doesn't work that simple. A main problem is that the two modes of action - vegan and non-vegan diet - are usually simply summarized as "eating behavior", as two supposedly equivalent alternatives from which everyone can freely choose. But if you think this thing further, it turns out that these two opposing positions are still NOT equivalent. Non-violence is not on a par with violence. Exploitation is not the same as justice. Slavery is not equal to the right to freedom.
If someone is so tolerant of vegans that they accept their non-violent diet, it does not automatically follow that, in return, their violence-related diet must also be accepted or respected. The tolerance of violence is different from the tolerance of nonviolence. So if a meat eater accepts vegans, that is initially not a moral achievement - even if vegans are often perceived as annoying. The demand to tolerate the use of violence, on the other hand, is quite a demand and on a completely different level.
It is understandable that one can easily feel attacked on an emotional level by such statements and take on the role of victim. The real victims here are the animals, not the people whose opinion is criticized.
Yes, eating meat may be a very "personal decision" for the individual. But that's violence, racism, murder, rape and whether you beat the shit out of your kids every day equally. Just a very personal decision. But in the end, everyone has to answer for themselves whether it is a really good decision in each case ... We all have that choice.
Vegans are so uncomfortable for people because they take your rose-tinted glasses off your head and show you reality. Because if you find that the actions that have been conditioned for a lifetime do not actually correlate with your own inner moral claim, then that is extremely uncomfortable and of course makes the ego emotionally defensive in some way. Inward and outward. Then, out of alleged self-protection, you unconsciously and desperately talk yourself into something that you would like to believe in, in order to convulsively maintain your own positive self-image.
But unfortunately that's such a thing with believing. It's basically like any religion. As is well known, “belief” is the acceptance of statements that are not proved or cannot be proven . But it is not an unproven belief, but a fact that human consumption of animal products causes enormous suffering and environmental damage - and it would be more religious to deny such a thing.
Amazing comment
I'm not reading all that.
I'm happy for you or... sad it happened.
I think it's the same feeling people with obesity and diabetes feel when someone tells them to eat healthier food and exercise. They know it's the right thing to do but they don't like being told what to do and they're addicted to sugar.
Absolutely!
😂 love it. I also think they hate us just because they are jealous 🥰
You should be worshiping us! Haha
vegetarian here 22 years.. stop preaching abt 15 years ago.. the hate is from the fear of discipline and as you said its spiritually and intuitively the right thing to do🤷🏾♂️
I couldn't agree with him more.
Yes, exactly, you made the point 🌱🌱🌱❣️👍
pure class
Legend
Well said Romesh, everything you say is true 👍 😊
I'm vegan this video spoke to me let's be avengers, y'all we can all be the hulk
I love you Romesh 🍏🌿🌎🌽🐮❤️🇳🇵🙏
Best way to save the earth and environment is to reduce the human population. I suggest a max of 2 billion people. We can achieve this within 100 years. Its like deciding how many children you want in your familie. How many can fit in your house? How much money do you earn to feed your future children? Make that de decision but on a global scale.
Go vegan.. the you reduce the world population by 60 Billions. Wich are the amount of animals we eat each year.
@@ProjectFight animals dont drive cars, buy plastic bottles, live in heated houses. Reducing human population would reduce any negative impact we have on the earth. Not only animal wellfair.
@@yuboka49 No, but we drive truks, ships and car for them, we deforest forest to produce more meat, we grow more crops to feed them and so on... and they are 10 times more than humans. And produce more Co2 and methane than humans do.
This is the right take. Not having a child will literally save more of the environment than any one person can save through veganism. Even if the child chose to live out all their days as a vegan the world is set up in a way that they will still contribute massively to is degradation unless they go fully off the grid.
@@RamblyBear than don't have a child and go vegan too...double benefit huh??? And if u make ur child vegan than he would preach veganism and would make other people vegan...so it would kinda save more environment as just bcoz of ur child so many people would go vegan
Romesh, I am vegan. I have been for ten years. I was so glad you went vegan. I don't feel like I am better because I am VEGAN, though. I try to be an adult about it all. I feel better because I can live a very long life, and after my friends are gone, I can visit their graves. And I can laugh at them, for making fun of me. For mocking my salads and tofu. "I hope you loved those chili dogs and meat lovers pizzas, because it turned out you were dead wrong!"
lol I love it. I just turned 30 and my friends are all falling apart at the seams while I swear I look better than I did 10 years ago when I first made the switch. Karma's not instant but it turns out not eating rotting corpses is good for more than just the planet.
Well said matey xxden
Fair enough
This is amazing!! 👌👏👏🤣🤣
I am vegan. Worship me!!!!!
Based
Tbf vegans are better people eating meat is just selfish
I'm vegan!!
I love Romesh and I love vegans ❤️ Thanks for posting.
With the advent of shmeat, no excuse. If there's ever going to be a way that a meat product is easier/cheaper to produce than by farming animals, the opportunity will be pounced & capitalised upon [consider this to be in progress as an earnest effort to solve the real world problem that feeding ahuman population creates]. Lab-grown meat is actual meat, not pea protein or a substitute, but the process of cloning tissue removes the animal and its suffering/death from the equation. There wouldn't be as much of problem if it wasn't for the space & resources required to bring a meat product to market, not to mention making it safe with veterinarian drugs/vaccinations and those periodic culls of entire herds/industrial farm units due to how quickly a disease can spread among a species that has no communicable knowledge of an illness it contracts that would warn its own kind and lead to a responsible separation/quarantine.
How humans farm livestock is antiquated at best and yet battery farming is relatively new - there's not much hope it will ever catch up with population growth though, and so the solutions must come from other methods - considering protein can be made from air, it's reasonable to assume animal flesh as a 'product' has had its day.
It’s so sad to be gluten intolerant, they’ll be accommodated with a sense of you poor thing but fk me trying to save animal we are insane terr oh wrists.
The studys that show veganism is better for the planet focus on no one eating meat they don't take I to account the fact that the majority of vegans survive on imported products, I would like to see a sect of vegans that only ate vegetables and fruit from there local environment
Do you have any research that shows that more vegans buy imported goods than omnis? I’m always encouraging people to grow their own fruit and veg. Organic flower farmer here so we also want to encourage people to buy local flowers too (currently 80% are imported and I’m certain most of them are omnis).
99% of people are omnis - it’d be interesting to see what percentage of those only buy local produce, grow their own and forage. Most vegans are vegan because they don’t agree with animal cruelty and exploitation, however, most that I speak to are pretty interested in the environment too…
As much as this video is a laugh, and I love it. There is one thing though that is much higher on the list of ethical superiority in terms of taking care of the world, its not having children. Unless you go fully off the grid as a vegan with your children, in their lifetime even if they too commit to the vegan lifestyle from birth, they will consume more than you save through veganism. So I have the high ground once again Romesh (makes swashbuckling sounds). Ha Harrrr.
I'm vegan and childfree so unfortunately I win
Vegan, childless, no car and I've been on a plane once I'm my life. I'm doing fucking great. Did I mention I'm vegan?
I’m vegan, childless, I do have a truck but I seldom drive it. Guess I have a fairly small carbon footprint.
@@BigKeith805 you definitely have good odds. Your job, commute method, country, and source of vegan produce might negate some of that. The most sure fire way to ensure victory would be to adopt an already existing child and convert them to vegan. /s
@@rick777888 you got good odds on winning, but a few other factors might go in my favour. The way to ensure victory, adopt an already existing child who is not a vegan, convert them to vegan.
Vegans are Avengers!! I love that. Thanks mate
Love this!!
Wait, so where do I redeem my worshipper coupon?
Exactly 💯
I'm not a vegan primarily because I already am so restrictive in what I eat so restricting it even more would be worse for me.
But I mean, I have cooked for vegetarians of which three of my closest friends are (with one being pescatarian). If one of them switched switched to Vegan... I probably would just shrug and look up vegan recipes to make. It's like a challenge rather than an annoyance. It's an annoyance if I'm told on the night they come round and no one warns me ahead that someone is vegan or veggie.
Hahahahahahahahaha I loved it 😂😂😂😂
Fuck yes
He is humourless.
He’s a comedian you twat
There is currently not a single form of large scale production agricultural for produce that does not do significant harm to the immediate ecosystem and environment. In contrast there are more and more regenerative/holistic meat production models that not only do a great service to there immediately ecosystem and environment, by replacing keystone species, but also have far less of a carbon footprint. In fact when done in a regenerative and holistic way meat production is actually a net negative for Co2 (it sequesters carbon). Large scale crop production on the other hand has a huge carbon footprint and requires significant pesticides,herbicides and synthetic fertilizers. Not to mention the need to continually apply nutrients and minerals to the ever more depleted soils which have become mostly sterile through the farming practices required for large scale production. Large scale production agriculture removes nature form the land and replaces it with the crop and is the largest cause of species extinctions and pressure in recent history. Large scale regenerative/holistic meat production can be done in and with nature and can actually benefit nature by replacing keystone species. In many cases it was crop production that was the cause of the loss of the keystone species. These are absolute truths! Curious how your math brought you so far into stupid and misinformed.
your argument that you seem to brandish as if you were the first in history to use it, I am afraid it is tremendously boring and stupid because all vegans have heard it dozens of times. And it is so easy to reject it with a single piece of information that one feels ashamed of others. It is a classic sophistry. Between 60 and 80%, depending on the country, of everything cultivated, is dedicated to feeding livestock. If you really care about CO2 emissions that much, you should go vegan this afternoon.
If you want this same argument developed in depth and with a multitude of reliable statistics, please check it out from the 1.30 minute
ua-cam.com/video/0QTNgKpV_K4/v-deo.html
And finally, it is good that you understand that the main reason why more and more people are becoming vegan is not emissions, although we are very happy, not even our own health, although again it is a joy to know that they worst diseases of the 21st century are closely linked to animal consumption. But the main reason is that we do not want millions and millions of sentient beings to be raised exclusively to suffer their entire short lives and then be killed. And all non-vegans know as well as we do that this is the morally correct thing to do and you make up ten thousand excuses in order not to acknowledge that you are on the wrong side of history.
@@Rafa.veganism_bikes PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THIS TIME!!! The argument you suggest I was boringly brandishing is not the argument I presented at all in any way. In fact did not make an argument at any point simply stated facts. Never once did I compare row cropping for meat production vs. row cropping for veganism. All row cropping is equally completely devastating to its ecosystem and habitat. I do not see any intelligence in the argument you suggest and video you linked that explains how much more of the devastation caused by row cropping is because of meat production vs. veganism so become a vegan. This would only increase the amount of devastation done for veganism and reduce the amount done for meat production. Not intelligent or moral. The general consensus is that modern agriculture practices are causing significant damage and complete devastation to natural habitats and ecosystems and we need to figure out how to do things differently. The entirety of what I had presented is that meat production can be done in not only a non detrimental way with nature but in a mutually beneficial way with nature in a holistic and regenerative manner without any row crop input. I understand that most meat production currently uses row crop input, but it is not required or necessary and can be done entirely without, again in symbiosis with the native habitat and ecosystem. Veganism cannot and is entirely dependent on row cropping which cannot be done with nature. Range land and pasture/hay land is not and should not be in the same agricultural category as row cropping as most already existed naturally and even the land that was developed for these purposes begins to benefit the native species. Again you can produce meat in a holistic manner without any row cropping inputs so please don’t boringly and stupidly assume I am brandishing an argument. As for the carbon footprint, which I am not terribly concerned with, again in a holistic and regenerative model without any row crop input is actually a net negative for carbon footprint. So I will not become a vegan today or any day for that matter. As for the morality of it all harvesting an organism of any kind should be looked at as equal through this lens. You won’t eat the secretions from an animal but will from a plant?? Maybe you think the plant enjoys it. Most plants have developed defenses against this. Studies are also showing that plants can communicate and show conscious decision making. Most crops when harvested are already dead so technically you didn’t kill them, but they were raised in an unhealthy nutrient deficient soil in a mono crop situation. Maybe if the animals died of old age then it could be vegan approved meat?? In short veganism is not dietary decisions being made in the name of saving the planet or not harming an ecosystem,(if so then you should become an omnivore today), nor some form of morality. Veganism is emotionally limited morality completely devastating to ecosystems and at the end of the day just another ism. That’s right just another form of man made bigotry. If sexism and racism wasn’t enough now we have foodism. Again this is all absolute truth (make sure you google that this time) and of course actually read before responding so you don’t sound so stupid in the future. At which point you won’t respond just return to being an omnivore. Let me know if the animals dying of old age would be something that vegans could stomach. I’m thinking we could really corner the market on vegan approved meats. Curious do vegan crops get fertilized with manure or strictly synthetic fertilizers?
@@brettadams417 you say we CAN produce meat in a holistic manner, but do we? 26% of ice-free land is used for livestock, which in most cases is not sustainable. The price of meat is ridiculously low, so farmers do not even make money without subsidies from government. 2/3 of all the crops is used for feeding livestock. Meat production currently is in no way sustainable and that is the fact. Forrest is buying cut down to make more space for livestock and their food. But then other products can also be, ex. avocados are not sustainable, cause they require so much water. The best way for us to improve the way we eat and make it sustainable is to eat locally and seasonally. I live in Finland, where you have lots of herring, but it is cheaper to import them from Sweden I believe, so people are buying fish, which needs to be imported and that makes it unsustainable. And on top of that, eating meat correlates to many diseases, which then leads to pandemic (ex. Covid) and puts a massive strain on healthcare and economy. But then, humans just weren't built for eating meat, just look at our teeth or pH of our stomach. Or drinking milk of other species, just look at the amount of people who are lactose intolerant.
@@angel17223 I have already acknowledged that 60-80% of row cropping goes to feeding livestock, this is mostly in 1st world countries and is a direct result of government subsidies and is also entirely a modern issue. In underdeveloped countries and in times past, it has never made sense as it is a significant deficit of protein to feed livestock grain...you would have more available food by just eating the crop yourself than feeding it to an animal that would give you less than the sum you fed it. I have acknowledged that the general consensus is that our agricultural practices both meat and row cropping in our modern 1st world countries is completely devastating and yes is unsustainable. The difference is that there is no alternative to large scale crop production that is not detrimental and completely devastating to its ecosystem and environment, but as for meat production, it can be done in not only a non detrimental way but rather a mutually beneficial way with nature and is catching on more every year. Meat production can be done completely absent of row cropping and is not necessary and is actually harmful to the animals that it is be fed to. They actually had to develop breeds that could actually survive long enough on such a terrible diet in these feed lot models of meat production. The problems with how we produce meat are driven by our societal dynamics and our governing models. This means it can be corrected and yes shopping for locally grown food and seasonally would be a huge aspect. There is also a component of raising the right animal for your ecosystem and environment...cattle will not always be able to be raised in a non detrimental way in all places, so we as local producers and consumers should realize and appreciate this and select accordingly. If the consumers only want beef then the farmers have no choice and will go down an unsustainable path. The amount of land used for meat production is completely sustainable the only part of modern meat production that is not sustainable is tied to the completely devastating practices of row cropping to feed livestock and farmers having no choice but to raise 1 of three or four animals because the consumers have such boring diets. In fact the amount of land used for agricultural has no impact or consequence on sustainability because in a holistic regenerative model you are benefiting and improving the ecosystems you take part in as you develop symbiosis with nature.
Just looking at the stats about over half of vegans go back to a vegetarian or omnivore diet within the first year.
"More people are choosing a vegan diet".. mhm... 80% of those will be back to gnawing on a rib within 2 years.
To get real, unbias information is difficult. I'm not going to be shown statistics from a very biased, dyed in the wool vegan, just like I won't get my information about veganism from a cattle farmer.
So glad your not going to bang on about it John 👌
SAVAGE lol
"We are the Avengers"
*Meanwhile Avengers in the post credit scene in first Avenger movie* : Eats shawarma. Lol
Say what you will I’m still having my steak
Enjoy your piece of flesh for now, karma's on its way
@@Rafa.veganism_bikes u dumb AF m8🤣🖕
I am not vegan, I don´t hate you guys. Thanks for the effort.
I do love bacon more than I love you though
Dude went full Todd Ingram.
If you're REALLY Vegan, where's your vegan powers?
Attracting trolls like you from the four corners of the world, isn’t it a super power mate
Lmao... Idk like I got this Lazer vision since going vegan but I gotta keep it on the Down Low because big brothers watching...
@@Rafa.veganism_bikes 😂😂😂😂 epic reply
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Saving a planet?
No the reason people hate vegans is because there are people like that vegan teacher in the world
How are you saving the planet ?
Because eating meat contributes to deforestation and climate change
@@cheekypuzzle808 true
My husband is vegetarian (he eats dairy and eggs) since 1974 and even he thinks vegans are too out there at times, especially about eggs.
Of course he thinks vegans are too out there, he wants to eat eggs and cheese. Vegetarians are closer to meat eaters than vegans.
This video should be nominated for the face of self righteousness and disappointment.
I’m a vegetarian, not a vegan. And no, I don’t think you’re going to save the planet.
Used to be vegan. My health gradually declined and I was constantly hungry. So I went back to being vegetarian. Still doing my bit but perhaps one day when veganism further evolves I can try again.
Tips: take a b12 supplement daily and a vitamin D supplement if you aren’t getting enough sunlight. Contrary to popular belief there are loads of adequate vegan sources of protein both processed and plant based. Lentils and pulses should be a staple part of your diet for example as they are good sources of protein and (fairly) good sources of iron. Tofu, nuts and seeds and oats are great sources of protein too. A quick google search will reveal many more. Tofu, spinach, kale and beet are also good sources of iron. That’s virtually the entire nutritional content of meat covered. Dairy replacement are even easier. Most milk alternatives contain calcium, protein and b12. If you want more calcium, tofu tempeh, leafy greens sesame seeds, tahini and, again pulses are all good sources. Also, brown and white bread in the UK are all fortified with calcium by law, probably because people aren’t getting enough even on a meat/dairy based diet. That’s basically everything you would normally get from a meat/dairy based diet covered by a vegan diet. Everything else you should already be getting anyway if you eat properly. Hope this helps.
'Further evolves' means new, factory processed vegan alternatives? No thank you.
Lmfaoo vegans saying they are healthy while also piping pills like a crackhead to mention a balanced life lmfao
@@MA-qf5gq all meat is being fed with such supliments, the only difference is that vegans consume it directly, tf are you talking about?
@@josedanielcallejassandoval2964 all the crap you eat does
This needs to be mentioned. Veganism is good but not great. Some aspects are unSpiritual and unhealthy. Firstly there are so many vegan products that are full of chemicals, processed shit and mostly nobody even knows what a lot of these products are even made from. Veganism also includes not wearing or owning anything animal derived but this isn't great either. Say a cow has died through natural causes and is just left to rot. This is bad for the environment as the cowhide is wastage causing littering to the Earth. These cowhides are beautiful organic materials thats are more than suitable for human use. There is nothing wrong in utilising this high quality God given product which helps humans with so many things from clothing, footwear, baggage and all sorts of useful items. Also, sheepskin, etc. are advised in ancient text to sit on whilst meditation so as to protect from the Earth's current. It is perfectly ethical to utilise these animal products should the beautiful animal die of natural cause. Even in Hinduism, God's are seen wearing and seated on animal skins. Animals are dying all the time and it is a good thing to benefit from the left behind remains for the betterment of humanity and the planet. A better choice would be to go plant-based whole foods. This eating plan, I found is the best, Spiritually, for health, ethics and environment. Second only to the raw foods eating plan but that is far too restrictive for the average person. Things to ponder.
I don't agree with your point of view on vegans and veganism, but I still like you and your comedy... keep it up!
You sold out
Having anglophiled his Indian name ~ it's Ranga"naadhan" not Ranga"naythan" ~ he should be one to lecture others on ethics!
Fall at his feet and worship him? My foot!
පොර ඉංග්රීසි. ඔයා මොන ජාතියද?
@@nishan375 write in English.
U ok hun?
He didn't alter his name, his parents did.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 Nothing stopping him from correcting the pronunciation that anglophiles his Indian name.
Romesh’s rather arrogant stance that he is ethically better than someone eating meat exemplifies why people dislike ideological vegans, they think they are better humans, which they palpably aren’t.
He places himself in an extreme position and that is a problem…Extreme views and idealism always cause issues whatever it be - diet, nationalism, private v state owned, left v right, Corbyn v Starmer, Brexit and animal rights. ..Extremism has led to the rise of fascism and populism in so many countries including the UK. Moderate views have disappeared from politics and modern discourse.
I have no doubt that it is better for the planet to reduce meat consumption and to improve farming practices, but evolutionary we wouldn’t be humans without eating meat (the evidence is very strong for that). Vegetarianism and veganism are modern inventions, we lost our hair which gave us the advantage that we could run faster and for longer to catch prey. There are a plethora of arguments showing that a vegan diet isn’t perfect..plants are one life form, animals are another, animals especially apes eat both and surprisingly so do some plants. Dogs can live on a meat free diet, but they wouldn’t choose to. Buddhists eat meat, contrary to popular thinking, so do Hindus…they simply cant kill it themselves (a cop out). As for Inuits well not many plants grow in the Arctic. I don’t think vegans will convince the French nor Italians, nor turks to give up meat and cheese.
It is more effective to use Aristotles philosophy “moderation in all things” ..That is a much better way to get people on board, improve farming and reduce eating meat and animal products.
I am happy to embrace not eating meat and cook food without meat and dairy, but I will not accept that my position of moderation is less ethical. In fact I would argue it is more ethical.
I live by Aristotles moderate paradigm, I don’t eat much meat, I have kept chickens and if I became vegan I would have to dispose of the eggs, that is madness…I understand the terrible farming methods to supply eggs, but that is not an argument for veganism it is an argument against modern farming methods.
Mate that's not why I hate vegans. I don't hate the majority of vegans to begin with. It's the small minority of vegans that are arrogant as shit and treat us meat eaters as unethical, taking the moral high ground. Respect non-vegans like I respect your veganism. This should be mutual lol
Unfortunately for Romesh, this kind of smug condescension will not further his argument that veganism is morally superior (and it could be). People just aren’t buying it, and until you find a way to actually make people listen, they never will. But carry on considering yourself superior if that helps you
You r just proving what he said dumbo🤦♂️😂
@@rajulrathi9886 The thing is, he's not consistent with his views.
@@rajulrathi9886 no I’m not
Oh, it's Romesh being serious? Disappointing.
Well he's wrong. If everyone became a vegan who would save the planets plant life?
What about all the suffering and risk of eradication of plant life? Being vegan is selfish. Us omnivores eating in balance are keeping our planet balanced and flourishing.
Yes eating non veg in limits and naturally is fine Because today's covid spread through animals meat like bat dogs raccoon. I am vegan but i eat eggs too .balance nature. Humans are omnivorous
Well, more plants are eaten by the animals that u people raise in farms.What does a diary cow and a farm goat eat? A diary cow eat atleast 10X kgs of plants than a vegan. So If world went vegan tmrw, the overall consumption of plants will drastically reduce.. So if u love plants that much, then the first thing u can do is go vegan tomorrow.
It's always funny how people who are obviously indifferent to animal suffering often develop a spontaneous concern about plant suffering. ;)
If you answer criticism with counter-criticism instead of refuting the criticism yourself, that is a logical fallacy called "Tu Quoque" (Latin for you too!) If one also implies that it is probably the same thing to pick a flower or rip off the legs of a cat, then that is not only very cynical but also another fallacy known as “false equivalence”.
So why do vegans allegedly worry about other living things and criticize the killing of animals, but have fewer problems killing plants? No, that is not because plants do not have cute button eyes that make you sentimental or that it is not so nice to stroke them, because vegans do not eat animal products - not even from "ugly" animals.
Short answer: Plants are not consciously capable of suffering and cannot feel pain. Of course, they are also living beings. When a vegan speaks - perhaps somewhat imprecisely - of living beings, he generally means "living beings capable of suffering". Plants have nothing that can be compared to a central nervous system or a brain.
There are now and then pseudoscientific studies according to which plants supposedly start to “scream” when someone approaches them who has torn off leaves or where one thinks to prove that plants, although they have no ears, like to talk to them and gladly listening to classical music. However, extensive reputable research has not produced any evidence that plants have any kind of conscious sensation. Pain exists to protect higher living beings from harm. But since plants cannot escape, it makes no evolutionary sense that they would develop something like a pain sensation.
We have now well understood what is a prerequisite for something like consciousness and pain sensitivity and without something like a central nervous system and a kind of brain, such a thing does not exist in nature.
Plants are most likely something like biological automatons. Of course, they also react to their environment and sometimes also communicate with one another to a certain extent. But that is also what smartphones do, for example, and we would hardly call them capable of suffering in a conscious sense.
Even if it were so that one could expect that plants have some kind of consciousness, one should of course try to create as little plant suffering as possible without giving up one's right to live.
For ecological reasons, plants should already be damaged as little as possible today. And vegans kill particularly few plants, because to produce animal products you have to feed many more plants. Depending on the type of animal, up to 15 times as many calories are required from plants as are subsequently obtained in the form of meat.
In order to cover my energy needs, I can either kill a certain amount of plants that are presumably capable of suffering, or an animal that is definitely capable of suffering, for whose feeding a multiple number of plants had to be killed beforehand.
Even if, contrary to any scientific knowledge, one not only assumes that plants and animals can equally feel suffering and pain, but hypothetically denies animals the ability to suffer and assumes that plants can actually suffer, I have the choice of whether I feel the suffering of some plants by eating them directly, or causing multiple plant suffering by eating meat.
So even if plants are capable of suffering and animals are not, vegans cause less suffering. And if we leave out the fictitious assumption that animals don't suffer, the suffering of the animal even adds to that of the plants on top.
If all this does not convince you that there are decisive differences between animals and plants, you can do a little experiment for yourself: people have the rather strange custom of handing over the genital organs of plants on different occasions. Just give away a bouquet of pig penises at the next opportunity and let me know how it went. ;)
@@anitha2053 lol,, I am vegetarian, but I eat chicken.. does that even make sense.. 🤣🤣😂
@@robflynn5682 sorry mate, I would rather become a vegan than to read this lengthy comment.
Rangnation lied. He said he wasn't humorous. No I found this video pretty funny. I like how he admits why majority of people "hate" vegans. Fyi, no one hates vegans, we love you as much as we love the farmer who slaughters the pig. I would totally be friends with a vegan as long as they are not constantly shoving veganism down my throat. And hey if you want to come over my place and bring some sort of vegan dish with you for yourself for dinner then by all means do so. While I eat a burger we order you salad worst cream scenario. It's not that serious. But since we are being honest you think you are a better person than someone who eats meat but I am smarter than you for eating meat. I did not let some wacky person convince me of something that had never been a problem for us as long as humans roamed the earth.
No, problem at all, fellow. Enjoy the carcass you're devouring, Mr vulture
(I find so funny, you guys pride yourself on eating flesh, you think you resemble a majestic lion, but you're actually behaving more like hyenas or rats, eating corpses that others has killed)
Ps, For centuries, humans also used to throw on the streets the urine and feces, and have slaves, and bath once a year, but we don't do that anymore, do we
@@Rafa.veganism_bikes You have one thing right for sure. The PH of the human stomach is 1.2-1.3 which is exactly the same as vultures, buzzards which means we evolved to eat rotting flesh.
I identify the meat I ate as vegetables.
Ergo, I am vegan?
Woke politics are fun 😊
But bacon tho XD
Cringe
nah, not really
@@RealGamePanda yes really
@@Assassin99584 nah
@@Assassin99584 go cry
@@SubhajitM Don't worry about the Assassin dude, he has no problem with holocausting humans so long as you eat them afterwards.
And there people is the difference between comedy and wisdom.
Romesh is comedy, George Carlin was wise.
Watch his stance on 'save the planet' and you'll understand what I mean.
Carlin's viewpoints are purely nihilistic, I don't see how wanting to reduce suffering among all species is unwise.
Rubbish
Hate vegans because u preach to those who are not !
Exactly! This is why I hate people who are against child abuse. They're always shoving it in my face and telling me it's wrong to punch kids. Like I get that they don't wanna punch kids but that's their choice.