I am 85 and still quite healthy. I grew up in UK during the war years when food was limited to simple varieties. We had a little meat, oats, onions, potatoes, carrots, peas, green beans, cabbage, celery, milk, jam, a little butter/margarine, bread, apples in season. The situation has changed, but I have gone vegan and stick with the same simple foods less meat and dairy, plus broccoli, lentils/beans, tomatoes, mushrooms, rice, no oil/fats, fruit. I cannot run marathons any more, but have been advised my arteries are not clogged, still do light gardening. shopping, most household tasks, and best of all pass the medical test for my driving license.
Good on you Sexton! I am trying to get my Dad (who is now 76 and healthy) to live at least to 100. He is still swimming 2km daily and does very similar things to you :)
@@ethicsexistentialism4191 Dear Mary, Thank you for your comment. However, I think I was wrong in regard to my diet. I have been putting on weight so am modifying what I was doing. I have cut out carbs and am currently trying Keto. I am envious of your fathers exercise regime. My plan is to reach 90 plus. Hopefully the big 100. Will keep you posted if I can.
@@sextoncardew903 hi again Sexton! I don't think keto is great, especially for people I've 70. I am a health scientist... Look up Valter Longo... And his book, The Longevity Diet. In my opinion it is the best evidence based diet BY FAR, which includes specific recommendations for people over 70. I am trying to get my Dad to stick to it and while he's not perfect he's doing pretty well 😁😉👍 Id love to hear what you think of it and if you decide to try it (and I have no affiliation with Valter Longo, I just find his work fascinating and very credible!)Kind regards, Mary 😊(from Australia)😎
@@sextoncardew903 and PS. I was saying well done for being 85 and in good health, and especially living through the war years 🙏👍 Valter's Longevity diet is mostly vegan with a little fish 👌😉
That's great, but a sample size of "1" means nothing. George Burns smoked into old age, for instance. There are always outliers. It's important for people to understand that.
@@angelarose6602 Dr Fuhrman recommends using beans as the main starch source (at least 1/2 to 1 cup a day) and keeping calories from sources like potatoes and grains to 20% or less. Fuhrman also recommends eating nuts and seeds as 10% to 40% of calories...at least 1 ounce of nuts daily. And Dr Fuhrman recommends eating a large amount of green vegetables and other vegetables raw and cooked every day.
absolutely a good point. people make lifechoices based on what is easier. now the challenge of learning why the easy route is not always the best route.
That's interesting. I'm on Mcdougall 4 years now. Some of the doctors like Greger and Fuhrman have specific items that can tend to be more expensive, and that's ok for a certain time, but not for me at this time. I avoid any nuts mainly because of the calorie density but also because addictive, and the price. I do manage to get by with chia seeds, maybe an ounce a day or less, getting a large container of it. Spinach and oranges are the next most expensive, which aren't bad really. Then there's carrots, tea, whole wheat pasta and black beans: all pretty cheap.
I did the Starch Solution. My body felt great, my joint paint disappeared, but I lost zero weight. Actually gained weight. But it made me feel great. The nurtitarian diet is what helped me lose weight. Lost 120 pounds. AFTER losing weight, I switched back to a starch-based diet to maintain weight.
That's so interesting. I did an experiment of eating the way Dr. McDougall suggests and I lost 29 lbs in a week and a half (including some weight gain and /or slowing down, whien I experimented with adding a little animal protein or coconut milk back in) When I was eating what would be much closer to the nutritarian way, I had to add in quite a bit of carbs plus fast for 24-48 hours at a time to lose weight. However, it wa not the nutritarian way and I learned a lot more about things i just should never have, including apples, which I never suspected would be a problem .So, if I try it again, results may vary.
I am from Sardinia. We don't eat meat or dairy where I live. It was a poor section. So legumes, greens, and fruit is what we've aways ate. We eat bread and pasta also. We use olive oil also. We live well over 100.
I make a big batch of savory beans once a week, canned beans with bell peppers, onion, garlic, greens, whatever, and lots of spices. I spoon them on top of whatever potatoes I have on hand - white or sweet. I also batch cook potatoes. Then I make a lovely nut/seed-based sauce, once or twice a week. I pile greens on top of beans on top of potatoes and drizzle with sauce, maybe sprinkle with minced red onion and cooked mushrooms (which I also batch cook once a week). Preparation is the key! Find some recipes you like, batch cook, be prepared.
I do the same and it works really well. I love always having a big variety of good, wholesome, home cooked food to eat depending on what I'm in the mood for. I don't buy anything in metal cans anymore bc of the health reasons... batch cooking allows me to control what seasonings are in my food, there's no metals or plastics leaching into my food, it's way cheaper and I just feel everything is yummier when its homemade.
Love this idea. Frozen veggies may be healthier than store bought (not knowing how long they've been traveling to and fro). Sounds like good crap. Lol.
The big key to not going overboard on healthy fats (nuts, seeds etc.) is to add them to your meals and not have them as snacks. Making *complete* meals and only eating when that *whole meal* is prepared is really the trick to making everything click.
Yes that's great as a rule and I love your suggestion but some people aren't able to even have nuts in the house, even if they're raw, unsalted, because they'd be eating them by the handfuls.
Akuma, long time man. I use the same technique of only eating the nuts and seeds as part of a meal, typically alongside beans and greens as a designated NutraTarain meal. Are you still Shredded?
Dude.what? not to eat nuts and seeds as snacks.....huh? I eat walnuts, almonds sunflower seeds and much more as snacks and I assure you I couldn't be healthier. I am slim extremely health below 150 cholesterol and more. You are wrong about not eating them as snacks
You can do both diets at the same time... In the Starch Solution by John McDougall the basis of the diet is eating: 1. Half a plate of non-starchy vegetables. 2. Half a plate of starchy foods from tubers like potatoes and sweet potatoes, from legumes and beans and/or from whole grains. And fruit as dessert...eating nuts infrequently. In Joel Fuhrman's nutritarian diet he recommends... 1. 2 pounds of vegetables, half cooked and half raw including greens and mushrooms. 2. 1-2 cups of beans And a variety of other foods in his GBOMBS - greens, beans, onions, mushorooms, berries, nuts and seeds Furhman's diet recommends 30%-60% of calories from vegetables (those vegetables can include sweet potatoes) 10%-40% of calories from fruit 10%-40% of calories from beans and legumes 20% or less of calories from whole grains and/or potatoes. 10%-40% of calories from seeds, nuts and/or avocados. So you could definitely follow a McDougall diet if you were following Fuhrman's nutritarian diet because McDougall classifies beans and legumes as a starch source. The only difference would be actively eating nuts and seeds as at least 10% of calories instead of eating them sporadically. To put that in context that's ensuring you eat around 7 walnuts a day on a 2,000 calorie diet. eg. half a plate of non starchy vegetables including some greens, mushrooms and raw onion 10%-30% of calories from sweet potato 20%-40% of calories from beans and legumes 20% of calories from potatoes fruit as dessert (10%-40% of calories) including some berries like blueberries or strawberries 10% of calories as nuts and seeds eg 7 whole walnuts a day.
I am so with you on just about everything you said. Bravo! And I just really appreciate all these doctors doing their best to give us their best and well thought out recommendations. For me, a combination of Esselstyn's, McDougall's and Fuhrman's advice has given me the ability to set up my own rules that work for me, without feeling guilty that I am not sticking 100% to any one of those diet plans.
@@hortensejones4050 Have you noticed which meals leaving you feeling in knots? I believe we have different constitutions and we need to be listening when our body tells us something is making us feel badly. I don't really worry about integrating the three. I pretty much "let it flow," and gravitate to what makes me feel good and isn't too much trouble to prepare. For instance, for me, eating a lot of potatoes makes me feel good, as well as beans and onions and vegetables. I put most of my energy into making sure I'm eating food that I process at home -- rather than pre-processed foods, and I can't say I always do that well with avoiding butter or olive oil -- yet I use it a LOT less than before, and being careful about what bread I eat helps a lot. Dave's Killer Bread seems safe for me (and I'm not gluten-intolerant), but I work on making my own bread because it is so much less expensive and a good skill to have. (I'm still learning, but recently purchased 4" in diameter cast iron pans for baking whole grain sourdough into little "hamburger buns" for instance. And I eat a lot of chocolate. Oh, I'm a mess really, but those are the three doctors that have helped me the most even though I break their rules a lot!
That's what I'm doing. Not just them, but taking mostly Ornish, McDougall, some of Eric Berg, Dr. Jason Fund and Fuhrman's advice on eating and Mindy Peltz, Dr. Pompas, Dr. Bergman's advice on other lifestyle aspects and just making my own way.
This is very well said. I find it so much easier to eat a starch-based diet. But I do eat a fairly decent amount of non-starchy vegetables and fruits. I just feel so great on a starchitarian diet. Perpetually satisfied and content, full of energy, I have excellent bloodwork and everything is perfectly in range, and it's so easy to maintain a trim figure even though I'm eating giant platefuls of food.
This is one of my all-time favorite videos that has to do with healthy eating on the entire Internet! 🥳 Because you’re Promoting a healthy eating routine that a person can actually maintain long-term! And you are realistic ! So many out there do not do that so the person fails! Thank you so much for this awesome video! One of my other favorites is the first time I saw Dr. Ornish on Ted talks!! That one really changed the trajectory of my life and I was able to lose 100 pounds. You Guys are awesome! Thank you for taking the time to help people you don’t even know!!! 💝👍P.S. Your wife is such a fun uplifting person! Her contribution to your channel doesn’t go unnoticed 😁👍You guys make a wonderful Combination !
Your video is going on my Watch Later list forever. I think my confusion/guilt between the McDougall and Fuhrman plans have actually prevented me from jumping the fence completely into a sustainable eating plan. I find myself reading and listening to these two doctors and feeling a bit overwhelmed, particularly with Fuhrman’s precise recommendations. Thank you a million for your common sense approach and helpful support! Amazing presentation. Thank you so much💕👍
I think sometimes, we unconsciously take all these little differences and use them as an excuse for throwing up our hands and saying none of it works. Sheesh, try one approach if you need to, see how it works/how you feel, then try the other. Either one is better than the SAD.
And I’m primarily an Esselstyn person but need some nuts (he oks if not a heart disease patient) & starches but I know I can OD on potatoes in a blink! While I’m put off my Fuhrman’s manner a LOT, I think he knows his science. (Tho he seems to defer to Esselstyn when they are together) Net result-I’m corn 🌽fused…never feel I’m doing it right, especially cause am allergic to onions, most beans, & soy! I’d love to know with whom I can talk who can clarify & simplify for me!???
I love your point about longevity. Why live your life overwhelmed by thoughts of nutrients when u can live a long and healthy life in a much more relaxed way. It’s Starch solution all the way for me.
Can it not be the best of both worlds, that is fuhrman and McDougal? I like both. I also like the fuhrman 90% rule were he even allows a little meat/dairy. But that might be my confirmation bias because I am not a big fan of supplements and if I can have a little meat instead of vit b supplements then that suits me better.
@@youngkevinsmith I have to say: I used to love meat, so this would be a HUGE NO for me. And if you're in it for your love of animals and not just for your health, all the more reason to refuse any animal products.
Thank you so much for this break-down. I appreciate your common-sense approach, and I basically share it after studying the books and lectures of Drs. Fuhrman, Greger, McDougall, Esselstyn, etc. I essentially do a hybrid of all of them myself, as suits my own preferences and lifestyle. At home, where salads and other produce are handy in our refrigerator, I eat closer to Fuhrman & Greger. When I'm away and starches are the most readily-accessible foods, I'm closer to McDougall. I don't sweat it. But even at home I also won't give up my white potatoes (and occasional slices of cracked wheat sourdough bread)! I must say I do perceive a kind of "shaming" vibe from Dr. Fuhrman at times when I listen to his lectures, but I do appreciate his lame jokes and the way he is striving towards finding the absolute best formula for human nutritional excellence. He looks to the future where McDougall looks to our evolutionary past (which is a valid perspective in itself, I believe).
Great points. I would agree that Dr. Fuhrman’s presentation style can make a person feel a little shamed, but I really do think he is just being funny with his shock value delivery. I don’t think he is constantly judging everyone but I could certainly be wrong. I had fun with his presentations while I know others find his style offensive.
Wow... I feel so much better after listening to your take on all this. Even if it is over two years old at this time, it speaks to me right where I am today. Thank you so much. I feel as if a little weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I can go forward with more confidence about what I can do and what I just don't wanna..! I am 75 and in good health but can't (or won't) spend my day standing in the kitchen... It is a bit draining and I have so many more equally creative things calling to me that I want to do. Yay!!!! Love ya...
I found Eat to Live 7 years ago and it was all I knew. I adopted his plan and it became habit so it isn’t hard. Also I really don’t think being aware of a few of the major health benefits of various classes of foods (GBOMBS) is reductionist. In other words there is no conflict with the synergistic effects of whole plant foods for health. It’s really a point of emphasis. Getting more of the foods with higher nutrient density and lower caloric density. I guess this information does impact me because I would tend to overdo on starch and displace the more nutritious veggies and fruits. They are more addictive for me. I’m not doing this for some long term longevity goals. I really notice that I feel lighter and more energized when eating more of those high nutrient/ lower calorie foods. But of course everyone needs to do what works for them. I do include nuts, seeds and avocados for example and those are not addictive for me, nor do they cause weight gain. I’m just putting this out there in case someone wants to try the nutritarian approach. It has been incredible for me. I reversed high cholesterol, high blood pressure and pre-diabetes plus lost over 60 pounds. I transformed in 9 months time and have sustained it over 7 years. I think it is a fun way to eat and live.
I’m a geriatrician for over 20 years. I follow McDougall, but the evidence I find is that my fit 90 year olds exercise moderately every day and eat very little. They don’t follow a particular diet. But they all are skinny. One of my patients lived to 102, healthy and riding her Exercycle until a month before she died. She ate one meal a day from age 21 till the end.
All those doctors agree that constantly digesting food is the number one factor in speeding up the aging process. So one meal a day can certainly prolong life.
Having cruciferous vegetables in high amounts daily is important for me, vs all the starch. The nutrients in them keeps my autoimmune diseases in check and my numbers normal. I’m also reversing a lifetime of bad nutrition, so for some of us, nutritarian foods work better and are worth the effort. Otherwise I don’t have the energy I need for my life. Wish I could afford to just be simple 😊
I had to return to this rant because my sister called me yesterday to tell me she was doing Dr. Fuhrmans 6 week program from his book. I've been wfpb for almost 4 years, mostly following the Starch Solution, but just basically eating starches and veg and frut I like. I started listening to Dr. Fuhrmans daughters podcast with him, and after 2 episodes, I had my mind blown with the over abundnace of information, and the hacks he has to make things healthier, which honestly, make me crazy, and makes me feel for the moment, like I'm not doing it right!!!!! UGH, I like your simple approach Dylan, and Furhman definitely doesn't promote ease in my opinion. You are so right in attaching Dr. Lisle's idea of don't major in minor things in this instance. I am so glad Furhmans plan works for some people, it's certainly not hurting them! But, I feel like all these methods and plans are like religions, it's good to have some in your life, and to take parts that work for you from all of them. I have never agreed with someone as much as I do in this rant! I hate when someone sidelines me with something I haven't done! Thanks for making me feel better about my diet!
OMG... this is my first introduction to you. You are the male version of me! I love that you are so pragmatic: what am I really willing to do? It is so easy to let perfection get in the way of progress, as they say. If you're eating plants, and not processed vegan stuff, you are 99% of the way there.
I agree 💯! I utilize both. I stay away from nuts because I can't stop at 1oz. Sometimes I want potatoes, sometimes I want beans. Snacking what gets me in trouble so I don't do it!
I did dr. McDougalls and Furhman. My body takes well to Dr. Furhmans way of eating. I think it depends how the persons body and their preference. I lose weight on Furhmans and I feel amazing.
I like your advice. Pam Popper says the same thing about not getting hung up on specifics. It made my transition a few months be a lot less stressful in trying to do the “right” thing.
I virtually NEVER comment on videos. This, however, was incredibly well thought out and presented impeccably. Thank you! I’m an old guy (56) that has studied (not applied until I had a stroke) all of the teachings of everyone you have mentioned for over 35 years. You sound like a recording of the same conclusions I reached. Immensely appreciated. Very helpful.
THANK YOU!! This was immensely helpful. I know this video is 2 years old but it is exactly what I needed to see/hear right now. I've been starting to get confused and overwhelmed by which doctor to follow. All are mostly the same but have their own specific "thing." What's right? Whatever "plan" will keep you WFPB and not sliding back to SAD.
I agree with your thinking 100%, My philosophy is I don't want to, nor can I, live forever. I'm not afraid to die, but I don't want to LIVE a life worse than death. So, I eat as healthy as I can. Do I fall off the wagon occasionally, yes. But, I don't stay there. I hop right back on. Find the best, healthiest diet possible with foods that you love and continue doing that for the rest of your healthy life.
I follow a whole food plant based diet which combines points from both Nutritarian and Starch based. If you are concerned about the glycemic index of white potatoes there are some tricks to help lower the index. Eat at least a half cup of beans daily, keep the potato chilled before cooking, and eat the skin of the potato. These factors help to lower the index. Good health to you all!
You are absolutely right and made so much sense. I think it would help so many people if the Doctors you referred to supported each other’s approach. When Dr Fuhrman compared his diet to McDougall’s I immediately thought of a saying I have heard many times throughout my life and that is, it’s OK if you sing in a high voice and I sing in a low voice as long as we’re singing from the same song sheet. When I listened to Dr Fuhrman I thought it’s dangerous for these very influential Doctors to sing very different songs. They need to tweak a few lyrics but sing the same song otherwise it all becomes too confusing and people lose confidence, when all they really need to is ditch the rubbish and eat more healthily. Imagine how strong these Drs would be if they all formed one choir singing in harmony to the world. I am looking to improve my diet and regularly juice, enjoy a starch based approach to cooking but I still occasionally eat meat and I love a coffee and a gin and tonic! However, I seem to have acquired dozens of very expensive books over the last few months which as you say confirm pretty much the same message while appearing a little contradictory. I think this is dangerous because it confuses people, nuts and seeds are a prime example. Your last question in the Fuhrman interview was spot on. UA-cam has been inspirational for me and yourself, the Krocks in the kitchen, the brand new vegan and many others are doing a fantastic job. So a huge thank you for the fantastic work you’re doing and apologies for the very long comment. I wonder if anyone ever reads it! 😂
I'm half way between the two. I understand the importance of greens, seeds and fruits/berries. At the same time I appreciate starch/beans and see them as the foundation of my diet and as a simple, cheap, fast way of eating. Dr. Fuhrman tends to overcomplicate things.
I think people get confused by the different lifestyle doctors because they aren't hearing the whole message. Fuhrman and Esselstyn generally lecture on reversing illnesses such as heart disease and diabetes, even cancer. Therefore, they have stricter guidelines for reversal of disease. The other lifestyle doctors primary focus on a good eating style for the average person, though their recommendations will still benefit people with poor medical status. If your current prognosis is surgery or disability, Fuhrman and Esselstyn should be your go-to guys. If you're basically healthy, Greger, McDougal, and others will improve your longterm health.
@@theveganceliac3410 it gets individualistic if you get stricter than Dr. Fuhrman check out Brian Clements. But every BODY is different and every one is on their own journey. I am a 60 yr old diabetic and Oatmeal and Fruit have to much carb for me my bood sugar is still to high.. But the increase in beans helps a lot.
Good, balanced look at your personal conclusions about the recommendation of these two doctors. I also consider Dr Greger and his daily dozen, as a very useful guide, and while Dr Esselstyn doesn't promote using nuts and seeds, probably because he's addressing those with heart disease, I find it useful to watch Ann, Jane and Rip Esselstyn, as they show what variations are possible. But your major point here is about not splitting hairs, and making it work for you so you'll actually do it. You're right on point there imho. My little tip: including flax seed, no breakfast cereal passes my lips without flaxseed on it, the same with baking. Great video, always interesting.
I love how blunt, honest and straight to the point you are. Human nature is to energy conserve, and that is my ultimate goal while eating optimally. Glad I found your page.
This was really helpful! I’ve been trying to eat starch solution for a while, and it’s been difficult because I’m a type 1 diabetic and I find that the white potatoes hit me hard. Harder than beans or sweet potatoes. (Also, I realize I’m in the minority here, but I don’t really like white potatoes unless they have fat on them. Don’t come for me please😉). You bring up a great point, instead of trying to follow one doctor perfectly, I should eat what I like and what works! Eat beans, whole grains, and sweet potatoes and don’t worry about it.
Your comment is from a year ago, but I had the same problem of having white potatoes cause a blood sugar spike for me. I could only eat them by putting them in a soup and adding some beans and veggies. I tried a vegan broccoli/potato soup but I ended up craving sugar so much that I never made it again (but I probably could have done better if I added beans)
Nothing beats potatoes and beans. There’re so many ways to combine’em: vegetables and beans, vegetables and potatoes, vegetables and beans and potatoes, zucchini and potatoes, zucchini and beans, broccoli and potatoes, broccoli and beans, purple cabbage and potatoes, purple cabbage and beans, brussel sprouts and beans, brussel sprouts and potatoes, etc., etc., etc. See? Endless possibilities 🤗
Fantastic video and I agree with you 100%. I have no doubt that fuhrman approach is better but I end up combining the two just because it’s easier. I also cheat now and then with snacks but 95% of my food is good.
To get more fruits in your diet batch cook some steel cut oats then get frozen berries put a cup to cup and a half in a bowl with a 1/2 banana. Let them sit for 20 minutes. Then heat your oatmeal and pour over the fruit. Add hemp heart chia seeds and flaxseed. Best breakfast ever
This is a great video! I was an avid adopter of Daily Dozen with Dr Greger. It’s great to see that you stand independently. My biggest struggle is some of the these theories require a lot of prep work. But like others, I follow WFPB no oil. I eat processed foods/oils minimally when it’s unavoidable. I refuse to travel with food all the time and I like to go to restaurants every so often.
Agreed! I am not going to a hotel with food. No freakin' way. And if I eat out, I will eat plants but I will NOT PRESENT a card that tells them no oil, etc... Sheesh, I go out so seldom, and even less now with the pandemic.
You are so real and straightforward! Thank you. I have tried plant based before and failed. I am ready to give it another go. Your suggestions make me feel optimistic that I can do this.
I struggled with weight most of my life. At my top weight in 2013, I discovered Joel Fuhrman on a PBS special, bought 'Eat to Live' after and lost a bunch of weight -- close to 100 lbs. In my enthusiasm for plant-based eating, I discovered the rest of those doctors you mention -- McDougall the most notable. Started eating more starches than I should. Weight loss stalled. Eventually got discouraged I wasn't hitting my weight loss goals, slowly went back to eating indiscriminately and gained 3/4 of it back. Take #2 in 2021. I've lost 50-60 lbs and I really combine the Fuhrman and McDougal methods now. If I want to crank up the weight loss, I focus on more greens, but really I don't stress about it any more. At 5'10" and 51 years of age, I'm just happy to be under 200 lbs again and I never want to be 250 lbs+ again. I can probably lose 20-30 lbs more but truthfully I'd be more inclined to do it in early spring 2022. I froze my ass off in 2013/2014 where I am in Canada when I lost all that weight and we had the coldest winter in 20 yrs that year.
WOW! THANK YOU for bringing my attention back to the big picture! Trying to stay educated and on top of all the plant-based information out there is key to remaining committed for me, but the downside of listening and reading all that is that I can get caught up in the details of all the different approaches and beliefs. Trying to figure out which “guy” is RIGHT, makes me just lose sight of the bigger picture. What I basically got from this is, eat more greens and then eat the whole plant foods that work best for YOU. I needed this reminder ..... so thanks!
Thank you for the video. I'm grateful that these two doctors are out there. Having multiple perspectives helps serve a greater number of people. I've been WFPB for about three years, and Starch solution did not work for me. I'm allergic to nightshade vegetables, so no white potatoes, and I do not care for sweet potatoes. I used grains as my primary starch, but I do not think I digest them well. I was so tired at the end of every meal, I could barely keep from falling head first onto the plate! When I limit grains, intermittent fast and eat an SOS free diet made up primarily of beans, greens, nuts and seeds, I feel incredible. I am 54 years old and had no idea it was possible to feel this good....
I find that I eat more greens when I stuff a handful of salad greens, which I buy, ready cleaned, in beside my potatoes, beans, and pico meal. I can cut up some red onion, some colored peppers, fresh or dried garlic, herbs, etc. I use a lot of dried foods. I use the Eden beans and follow what Jeff Novick says about beans. He suggests keeping an open can of beans in the fridge (keep the liquid to cover the beans. They don't last long) and whenever you need some... scoop out a couple tablespoons onto your rice and vegi/ greens mixture, and voila. Doing that helps me make a great salad dressing with the cooking liquid in the can. It gives the same mouth feel as oil. I just pour some in a little bowl, add my favorite vinegar, whole grain mustard, herbs and spices and again, voila.... actually, I have got to the point of just sprinkling each item on my salad like I used to with oil and vinegar dressing. It's the lazy way but, oh, so good. I'm talking about a very large/wide bowl. It's a lovely meal but, I will say that you are getting more nutrition than most people, the way you eat so, best not to get myopic as some of these authors will want. Don't forget they are selling books and selling a plan. I think that Dr. McDougall gives a lot for free. People can get all they need from his free program on his web sight. That is why I've chosen the one dish meal option. Now and then I get some/make some no oil, no salt wraps/tortillas as an alternative but I'd rather just eat out of that big bowl. You actually helped me with that. I keep some potatoes, brown rice, and sweet potatoes cooked and ready to go. Add some colorful vegis/pico, and greens and chow down. We aren't supposed to make a life out of preparing and eating. We are supposed to eat well and get on with living life. Always love your videos. Lynn
Great comments Lynn. I always appreciate your support and enthusiasm. And I always enjoy your comments. Keep up being an influencer in our community ❤️
I am following Dr. McDougall's plan. Easy for me. By the way, thanks for posting the 'cheeze sauce' recipe. It will be a staple in my fridge. Love your channel.
I'm doing some McDougall and some Fhurman. I eat mashed sweet potatoes and beans and that's about it for the starch, then I eat vegetables the rest of the time. No nuts, no meat and no dairy. I take a B12 supplement and one Garden of Life Organic Vit & Mineral. I also do Intermittent Fasting 16/8. Good video!
I am a brand new Vegan, first book was Dr Neil Barnard and second was Dr. McDougall. These two have helped me transfer over and anything stricter I may not have made it.
Love you back as our mentor. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on two doctors I greatly respect, as you do. Your balanced perspective is positive and constructive. It makes sense to me.
The way I found works best for me is to add frozen greens to my meals. So when you are heating up your beans on the stove, throw some frozen greens in. After your starch blaster is done, throw some frozen greens in. Every little bit helps :) For me the nutritarian diet leaves me feeling hungry. I have to have my starch! But with the amount of plant foods I'm eating, I'm getting all the nutrients I need :)
The strict nutritarian way is low starch and is more for weight loss. But he does have a section iirc were some people can eat more starch than others. Even a little olive oil also. And as is stated here fuhrman and McDougal are more similar than not. It would great to see them talk about some of these subjects!
Well said, couldn't agree more. I've learned different things from all the doctors ( Esselstyn, Campbell, Greger, McDougall, Lisle, Pam Popper) as well as Chef AJ and others. I basically follow a starch solution diet although I've never actually even read the book. Just doing what works for me and I'm confident that if something in my body goes sideways or doesn't feel right, I'll know it. ( I also go for regular yearly exams) . THanks for your sage commentary and nice synopsis. Spot on.
I was 145 pounds 6 feet tall at 22. At 215 pounds with asthma, arthritis, hemorrhoids, diverticulitis, no energy. Went on Mcdougall diet initially was 166 pounds now at 175 feel much better. Thanks for your personal insights... It makes it make sense. You are an inspiration for us! Bless you Dillon and keep it up!
Great assessment! As you say, all of the plant based docs have a lot more in common than not. I listen to all of them and use a combination of their recommendations that are sustainable and effective for me. Just by virtue of eating a whole food plant- based diet and cutting out meat, dairy and processed junk, we are on the right track for longevity and good health. The reductionist stuff is splitting hairs. As Dr. Lisle says, "majoring in minor things".
Such excellent advice. I have listened to Fuhrman, Mcdougall and Chef AJ and take all their recommendations in to account. I eat totally plant based whole foods and feel fantastic, so full of energy . I have easily eliminated all meats, fish ,dairy, oils and sugar and really it is a breeze. Can’t recommend it enough and that is now my lifestyle without another thought .🙂
Great video, I can tell you from experience that both of these diets work well. Dr. Fuhrman’s does allow you to eat a lot more as it’s not centered around tubers and starches. Yeah he adds beans and does say that you can eat potatoes as well. To put this in perspective I placed myself on a 1600 calorie a day diet. I couldn’t eat more than 1200 to 1300 calories a day. I would eat an apple and a banana for breakfast, 200 calories. A pound of greens for lunch 100 calories with another pound combined of cucumber 🥒 corn 🌽 celery, carrots🥕 onions 🧅 mushrooms 🍄 a ounce of nuts totaling 300 calories. My total thus far is 500. For dinner I would add a can of bean at 350 calories and a can of Amy’s soup and oftentimes I would add a can of Amy’s organic soup 🍲 adding another 200 to 300 calories for a daily total of 1000 to 1100 calories and I was full all day long and couldn’t eat a drop more. Sometimes I would eat a potato white in the evening with the soup but I could never consume more than around 1200 calories and the weight just melted off. Again both diets are solid but Dr. Fuhrmans is healthier. This is just my opinion
Good discussion. Have struggled to get more greens myself. Two good ways I’ve found are Dr. Brooke Goldner’s anti inflammatory green smoothies (75% greens/25% fruit/water/chia seeds) or taco salad with greens, rice,beans, corn and salsa, pico or guacamole for dressing.
She makes a whole blender of green smoothie every morning and sips on that and water throughout the day for her breakfast and lunch and then just has a healthy dinner when she gets home. Also a great idea for busy people at work. You can get close to a pound of greens a day that way.
Very balanced and practical. The general thrust of your diet is the main thing which is plant based and low fat. It may be that these disputes between doctors who essentially promote the same thing is good for public attention but the more important point is that both approaches are infinitely better than paleo or animal product diets.
I am 100LBs overweight right now. Dr. Fuhrman's recipes seem to help me right now. I like that he is on the restriction take. For me I need to increase the greens. As a 55-year woman, I need the restriction.
Totally with you on the salad prep - I hate it, so now I just grab a pile of green and throw it on a plate next to my bowl of hot food and it works for me.
I've been able to get more salads in by advance prep. I get a bag of arugula, a bag of watercress, maybe some spinach and kale, maybe some chopped herbs, I like cilantro or basil, put in a huuuge bowl and mix. Then add some chopped carrots, celery, onions, snap peas or snow peas, chopped asparagus. I then put it all in a gallon size Ziploc bag which I have poked lots of holes into with a straight pin, and also put in the bag half of a dry paper towel. The holes in the bag allow the transpiration of the veggies, and the paper towel absorbs excess moisture. If the veggies are too wet, they'll rot pretty quick. ( I got the information on storing veggies to prolong their freshness and nutrition from a book I checked out from my library, "Eating on the Wild Side". I don't recall the author). I also learned to store mushrooms in a paper bag, and wrap fresh herbs in a paper towel to make them last longer. Herbs and shrooms that are a little dried out are still edible, unlike herbs, shrooms, or other veggies stored in a non-permeable plastic bag, which become slimy and rotten. So I have my bag of ready salad, just grab 2 or 3 handfuls, add some of my homegrown broccoli sprouts, some grape tomatoes, and top with whatever, like beans, tahini, some oil-free dressing.
I never prep. I just prepare each meal as it comes. It is usaly ready in 15 minutes. That includes steamed greens, a salad with varied raw veggies, a bean of some sort and a sweet potato, brown rice or quinoa. So much easier and fresher to do it that way then to wear myself out chopping ahead.
My idea for eating nuts and seeds would be to make nut/seed based dressing or sprinkle some onto your daily salad. For me that would be an easy way to not get crazy with the nuts/seeds.
I didn't like this video....I LOVED it!!! I watch all of your videos (except the live ones....my archaic browser doesn't support live video) but this is definitely one of my favorites. You address the issues that I have mentally wrestled with for a long time, having followed the work of these same doctors over the years. I think the overall benefits of plant based eating often gets lost in the rigid adherence to a particular plan of a particular doctor. The general precepts are basically the same and if followed in a comfortable and sustainable way, as you articulated it so well, the benefits to the environment, the animals, and your health will inevitably follow.
I was about to leave a comment, but when I read this I thought, well, this is exactly what I was thinking but much more articulate, so let me just say... I couldn't agree more.😊❤️
Couldn't have said it better. Well done. To follow either of these guys or creating a combination of both, will still mean you will be healthier than 99% of the population.
Well said video. Echos a lot of my sentiments. As a plant based eater who has to travel the world I can tell you it is much much easier to communicate to people( with english as a second or third language) and restaurants a meal based on potatoes and rice and beans. These are the staples that keep you going day after day and week after week. From the poorest to the richest countries, these are everywhere. Greens and such are rare and not everybody has them and you have to take the fruits and veggies that are prevalent to that region. So while I respect Dr. Fuhrman for the help that he has given to so many and the expertise that he brings to the table, I will always be a Mcdougaller.
As a plant based person our food choices are as close to the ethnicity and culture of our family roots France and Mediterranean which include nuts and regional grains. Even when we have eaten plant based American, German British fare we gain weight and just don't feel well. Eating is also a communal activity where we sit savour our food and love the preparation.
Sound advice. There are times I get so overwhelmed and discouraged and don't receive alot of support from my dr regarding the effects of diet on my health. I am over 65 and on medications. I often feel I am going it alone without support from my medical comm.
Don’t feel discouraged; your experience is very common among all of us seeking sound advice from a medical community incapable of providing it. That is why we have built our own community such as this Well Your World community, not to provide medical advice, but it turns out most of the advice we need is not medical in nature. But regarding your meds, there are a lot of great plant based doctors that can transition you toward a health promoting lifestyle.
I'm 66 and have been vegan almost 7 years. This is the best change I've ever made - I have three sisters who are animal eaters and on blood pressure and cholesterol meds. They can take them forever! Don't give up, I'm here along with others.
I have read both Drs books and followed both food plans at different times.. They are both right. I will say Dr McDougal is WAY easier and WAY WAY WAY cheaper
You don't need as much food by a long shot if the quality is there. You'll be shocked. You can use head lettuce to dilute the more expensive stuff. Go to Aldi's, stay out of Whole Foods for the most part.
McDougall's approach has more studies and clinical experience backing it up. I think balance and moderation is important, that means not obsessing about the details of food too much. There are other important aspects of health that have nothing to do with what we put in our mouth, such as stress management, that are often overlooked in the desire to micromanage food.
Great video! After 30 years of veganism I've gone through the same stuff. Love Dr. Fuhrman, been following him for years. However, I do disagree about not eating before working out. I'm a personal trainer and find it extremely difficult for myself and my clients to sustain energy with no food in the belly. I advise eating fruit an hour before the workout. I prefer bananas and/or oranges. It's made a bit difference in my life. It's all about RESULTS!
You have articulated my thoughts as I have followed many of the doctor's for about a year now. The most thoughtful summary I have heard to date. Thanks!
So good to hear you discuss this. I feel the same way about potatoes too. So I'm not the only one who can't stop at one handful of nuts either, I'm thinking of crushing them and sprinkling a little on my breakfast along with my flax. Maybe that would work. Thank you for the video. Do you ever do live chats ?
My newest hack is a huge raw salad then use canned beans as a base of a dressing. Put some beans, soaked nuts, water with various spices and apple cider vinegar in a blender. This makes a great substantial and savory dressing which make the huge salad absolutely mouthwateringly amazing…
Excellent pragmatic summation of the various plant diets. I know I will never achieve a 100% perfect diet, i.e I have just enough oil and sugar, as I can get away with to make plant-based foods palatable to me. These little cheats mean I stick with the diet. If I can achieve 90% or 95% perfection that's good enough for me. This works for me.
I've lost weight doing both of these plans. I tend to stick with DrF's plan with a little more organic potato/bread because I feel better mentally with some healthy fats (nuts, seeds, avocados) in my diet. I also try to buy organic whenever possible...especially ww breads/flours/oats...too many chemicals being sprayed on our crops these days.
Great Video! Karen and I just had this conversation last week. The difference between these two Doctors. We agree with you! I went Vegan for health reasons. Blood tests were heading the wrong way back when I was eating animal products. I was 50 and eating a healthy American diet.... not good! Plant based corrected all issues. I am also intermittent fasting, do the Vegan Version of Bulletproof coffee. This all works well for me! The one thing I always lean into is the Blue Zones study (Beans are Great). They looked at longest living humans and said what are they doing? Let’s do that.
I am 85 and still quite healthy. I grew up in UK during the war years when food was limited to simple varieties. We had a little meat, oats, onions, potatoes, carrots, peas, green beans, cabbage, celery, milk, jam, a little butter/margarine, bread, apples in season. The situation has changed, but I have gone vegan and stick with the same simple foods less meat and dairy, plus broccoli, lentils/beans, tomatoes, mushrooms, rice, no oil/fats, fruit. I cannot run marathons any more, but have been advised my arteries are not clogged, still do light gardening. shopping, most household tasks, and best of all pass the medical test for my driving license.
Good on you Sexton! I am trying to get my Dad (who is now 76 and healthy) to live at least to 100. He is still swimming 2km daily and does very similar things to you :)
@@ethicsexistentialism4191 Dear Mary, Thank you for your comment. However, I think I was wrong in regard to my diet. I have been putting on weight so am modifying what I was doing. I have cut out carbs and am currently trying Keto. I am envious of your fathers exercise regime. My plan is to reach 90 plus. Hopefully the big 100. Will keep you posted if I can.
@@sextoncardew903 hi again Sexton! I don't think keto is great, especially for people I've 70. I am a health scientist... Look up Valter Longo... And his book, The Longevity Diet. In my opinion it is the best evidence based diet BY FAR, which includes specific recommendations for people over 70. I am trying to get my Dad to stick to it and while he's not perfect he's doing pretty well 😁😉👍 Id love to hear what you think of it and if you decide to try it (and I have no affiliation with Valter Longo, I just find his work fascinating and very credible!)Kind regards, Mary 😊(from Australia)😎
@@sextoncardew903 and PS. I was saying well done for being 85 and in good health, and especially living through the war years 🙏👍 Valter's Longevity diet is mostly vegan with a little fish 👌😉
@@ethicsexistentialism4191 Thank you. I will seriously look at it.
My father is 95 and been eating beans all his life. He eats beans for dinner 5 to 6 times a week and he is in perfect health.
That is great! Thank you!
That's great, but a sample size of "1" means nothing. George Burns smoked into old age, for instance. There are always outliers. It's important for people to understand that.
Ama call him Mr. Beans
How blessed you are to still have your 95 year old father in perfect health. God bless him.😊
Hey, pull my finger.
My rule..Whole foods, plant based, no oil. I like the gbombs and I like the starches...I eat them.
We sound alike there!
Sounds like a Good and Easy rule to follow😊
... yup, HCLF.
whats a gbomb ?
@@kurtsbills185 foodrevolution.org/blog/gbombs-healthiest-foods/
I’ve done both diets. Dr McDougall’s is easier because I am never hungry and much less expensive. This is more sustainable.
Isn't the Nutriarian a spin off from the Starch Solution? 😂
I beleive the starch works long term as it is satisfying.
@@angelarose6602 Dr Fuhrman recommends using beans as the main starch source (at least 1/2 to 1 cup a day) and keeping calories from sources like potatoes and grains to 20% or less. Fuhrman also recommends eating nuts and seeds as 10% to 40% of calories...at least 1 ounce of nuts daily. And Dr Fuhrman recommends eating a large amount of green vegetables and other vegetables raw and cooked every day.
absolutely a good point. people make lifechoices based on what is easier.
now the challenge of learning why the easy route is not always the best route.
I tried both but the best diet for me is raw paleo diet.
That's interesting. I'm on Mcdougall 4 years now. Some of the doctors like Greger and Fuhrman have specific items that can tend to be more expensive, and that's ok for a certain time, but not for me at this time.
I avoid any nuts mainly because of the calorie density but also because addictive, and the price. I do manage to get by with chia seeds, maybe an ounce a day or less, getting a large container of it. Spinach and oranges are the next most expensive, which aren't bad really. Then there's carrots, tea, whole wheat pasta and black beans: all pretty cheap.
I did the Starch Solution. My body felt great, my joint paint disappeared, but I lost zero weight. Actually gained weight. But it made me feel great. The nurtitarian diet is what helped me lose weight. Lost 120 pounds. AFTER losing weight, I switched back to a starch-based diet to maintain weight.
That's so interesting. I did an experiment of eating the way Dr. McDougall suggests and I lost 29 lbs in a week and a half (including some weight gain and /or slowing down, whien I experimented with adding a little animal protein or coconut milk back in) When I was eating what would be much closer to the nutritarian way, I had to add in quite a bit of carbs plus fast for 24-48 hours at a time to lose weight. However, it wa not the nutritarian way and I learned a lot more about things i just should never have, including apples, which I never suspected would be a problem .So, if I try it again, results may vary.
Wallmart has no sodium canned black beans. So good with a little spice. Cheap too!
I like that idea!!!!! I start thinking that’s something for me to try! You didn’t gain weight again?
@@arlettasloan6453It’s a few years later now I realise… did you maintain your weight?? I like your approach and I think it might work for me too
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I’m 58 ..plant-based for a year I feel like I’m in my 20,s .when you now what’s up you wonder why everyone doesn’t do it ....amazing
I am from Sardinia. We don't eat meat or dairy where I live. It was a poor section. So legumes, greens, and fruit is what we've aways ate. We eat bread and pasta also. We use olive oil also. We live well over 100.
Wow!
That’s my kind of eating!
I make a big batch of savory beans once a week, canned beans with bell peppers, onion, garlic, greens, whatever, and lots of spices. I spoon them on top of whatever potatoes I have on hand - white or sweet. I also batch cook potatoes. Then I make a lovely nut/seed-based sauce, once or twice a week. I pile greens on top of beans on top of potatoes and drizzle with sauce, maybe sprinkle with minced red onion and cooked mushrooms (which I also batch cook once a week). Preparation is the key! Find some recipes you like, batch cook, be prepared.
Sounds like you have a very successful method in place. Awesome!
I do the same and it works really well. I love always having a big variety of good, wholesome, home cooked food to eat depending on what I'm in the mood for. I don't buy anything in metal cans anymore bc of the health reasons... batch cooking allows me to control what seasonings are in my food, there's no metals or plastics leaching into my food, it's way cheaper and I just feel everything is yummier when its homemade.
I'm right on with You! I do the same exact thing. I do both and they both work for me!
Love this idea. Frozen veggies may be healthier than store bought (not knowing how long they've been traveling to and fro). Sounds like good crap. Lol.
Preparing is key😊
“Drop dead 💀 peacefully ✌🏼 at the end of it all”. 😆 One of the best ways of putting it yet 😆
#goals
Drop dead is not nice for people who find or are with U...die in your sleep is slightly less messy ..my dad did
The big key to not going overboard on healthy fats (nuts, seeds etc.) is to add them to your meals and not have them as snacks. Making *complete* meals and only eating when that *whole meal* is prepared is really the trick to making everything click.
Sounds very reasonable to me! Thank you!!
Yes that's great as a rule and I love your suggestion but some people aren't able to even have nuts in the house, even if they're raw, unsalted, because they'd be eating them by the handfuls.
Yes it is definitely not something everyone can do. Might help some but not others.
Akuma, long time man. I use the same technique of only eating the nuts and seeds as part of a meal, typically alongside beans and greens as a designated NutraTarain meal. Are you still Shredded?
Dude.what? not to eat nuts and seeds as snacks.....huh? I eat walnuts, almonds sunflower seeds and much more as snacks and I assure you I couldn't be healthier. I am slim extremely health below 150 cholesterol and more. You are wrong about not eating them as snacks
You can do both diets at the same time...
In the Starch Solution by John McDougall the basis of the diet is eating:
1. Half a plate of non-starchy vegetables.
2. Half a plate of starchy foods from tubers like potatoes and sweet potatoes, from legumes and beans and/or from whole grains.
And fruit as dessert...eating nuts infrequently.
In Joel Fuhrman's nutritarian diet he recommends...
1. 2 pounds of vegetables, half cooked and half raw including greens and mushrooms.
2. 1-2 cups of beans
And a variety of other foods in his GBOMBS - greens, beans, onions, mushorooms, berries, nuts and seeds
Furhman's diet recommends
30%-60% of calories from vegetables (those vegetables can include sweet potatoes)
10%-40% of calories from fruit
10%-40% of calories from beans and legumes
20% or less of calories from whole grains and/or potatoes.
10%-40% of calories from seeds, nuts and/or avocados.
So you could definitely follow a McDougall diet if you were following Fuhrman's nutritarian diet because McDougall classifies beans and legumes as a starch source. The only difference would be actively eating nuts and seeds as at least 10% of calories instead of eating them sporadically. To put that in context that's ensuring you eat around 7 walnuts a day on a 2,000 calorie diet.
eg. half a plate of non starchy vegetables including some greens, mushrooms and raw onion
10%-30% of calories from sweet potato
20%-40% of calories from beans and legumes
20% of calories from potatoes
fruit as dessert (10%-40% of calories) including some berries like blueberries or strawberries
10% of calories as nuts and seeds eg 7 whole walnuts a day.
Which is the best program for losing weight
We’ll done❤
I love your very common sense approach. I agree it has to be sustainable for the long term and we each have to figure out what works best for us.
Thank you!!
Sustainability is everything! Eat the diet you can eat for the rest of your life that both makes you happy & keeps you HEALTHY. 🌱🥦
I just want to thank you for putting Dr Fuhrman back on my radar. I love the changes I’ve made, love the simplicity of the G-BOMBS 🌱
I am so with you on just about everything you said. Bravo! And I just really appreciate all these doctors doing their best to give us their best and well thought out recommendations. For me, a combination of Esselstyn's, McDougall's and Fuhrman's advice has given me the ability to set up my own rules that work for me, without feeling guilty that I am not sticking 100% to any one of those diet plans.
I’m trying to do that that too but I end up in knots How do you integrate the three?
@@hortensejones4050 Have you noticed which meals leaving you feeling in knots? I believe we have different constitutions and we need to be listening when our body tells us something is making us feel badly. I don't really worry about integrating the three. I pretty much "let it flow," and gravitate to what makes me feel good and isn't too much trouble to prepare. For instance, for me, eating a lot of potatoes makes me feel good, as well as beans and onions and vegetables. I put most of my energy into making sure I'm eating food that I process at home -- rather than pre-processed foods, and I can't say I always do that well with avoiding butter or olive oil -- yet I use it a LOT less than before, and being careful about what bread I eat helps a lot. Dave's Killer Bread seems safe for me (and I'm not gluten-intolerant), but I work on making my own bread because it is so much less expensive and a good skill to have. (I'm still learning, but recently purchased 4" in diameter cast iron pans for baking whole grain sourdough into little "hamburger buns" for instance. And I eat a lot of chocolate. Oh, I'm a mess really, but those are the three doctors that have helped me the most even though I break their rules a lot!
That's what I'm doing. Not just them, but taking mostly Ornish, McDougall, some of Eric Berg, Dr. Jason Fund and Fuhrman's advice on eating and Mindy Peltz, Dr. Pompas, Dr. Bergman's advice on other lifestyle aspects and just making my own way.
This is very well said. I find it so much easier to eat a starch-based diet. But I do eat a fairly decent amount of non-starchy vegetables and fruits. I just feel so great on a starchitarian diet. Perpetually satisfied and content, full of energy, I have excellent bloodwork and everything is perfectly in range, and it's so easy to maintain a trim figure even though I'm eating giant platefuls of food.
This is one of my all-time favorite videos that has to do with healthy eating on the entire Internet! 🥳 Because you’re Promoting a healthy eating routine that a person can actually maintain long-term! And you are realistic ! So many out there do not do that so the person fails! Thank you so much for this awesome video! One of my other favorites is the first time I saw Dr. Ornish on Ted talks!! That one really changed the trajectory of my life and I was able to lose 100 pounds. You Guys are awesome! Thank you for taking the time to help people you don’t even know!!! 💝👍P.S. Your wife is such a fun uplifting person! Her contribution to your channel doesn’t go unnoticed 😁👍You guys make a wonderful Combination !
What a sensible speech! "Do what you can and dont overdo it!"
Thank you!!
You do exactly what I do. I take the best and most practical points from both guys and it makes life a lot simpler. Thanks bro for the video! 😃
Thank you!!
Your video is going on my Watch Later list forever. I think my confusion/guilt between the McDougall and Fuhrman plans have actually prevented me from jumping the fence completely into a sustainable eating plan. I find myself reading and listening to these two doctors and feeling a bit overwhelmed, particularly with Fuhrman’s precise recommendations. Thank you a million for your common sense approach and helpful support! Amazing presentation. Thank you so much💕👍
You’re not alone in feeling overwhelmed by all the little differences. Sometimes we just have to take a step back and look at the big picture.
I think sometimes, we unconsciously take all these little differences and use them as an excuse for throwing up our hands and saying none of it works. Sheesh, try one approach if you need to, see how it works/how you feel, then try the other. Either one is better than the SAD.
And I’m primarily an Esselstyn person but need some nuts (he oks if not a heart disease patient) & starches but I know I can OD on potatoes in a blink! While I’m put off my Fuhrman’s manner a LOT, I think he knows his science. (Tho he seems to defer to Esselstyn when they are together) Net result-I’m corn 🌽fused…never feel I’m doing it right, especially cause am allergic to onions, most beans, & soy! I’d love to know with whom I can talk who can clarify & simplify for me!???
I've changed from SAD to vegan and have combined that with intermittent fasting. Both changes have been earth shattering healthy for me.
I love your point about longevity. Why live your life overwhelmed by thoughts of nutrients when u can live a long and healthy life in a much more relaxed way. It’s Starch solution all the way for me.
Beautiful perfect thank you, Niamh
Can it not be the best of both worlds, that is fuhrman and McDougal? I like both. I also like the fuhrman 90% rule were he even allows a little meat/dairy. But that might be my confirmation bias because I am not a big fan of supplements and if I can have a little meat instead of vit b supplements then that suits me better.
@@youngkevinsmith I have to say: I used to love meat, so this would be a HUGE NO for me. And if you're in it for your love of animals and not just for your health, all the more reason to refuse any animal products.
Thank you so much for this break-down. I appreciate your common-sense approach, and I basically share it after studying the books and lectures of Drs. Fuhrman, Greger, McDougall, Esselstyn, etc. I essentially do a hybrid of all of them myself, as suits my own preferences and lifestyle. At home, where salads and other produce are handy in our refrigerator, I eat closer to Fuhrman & Greger. When I'm away and starches are the most readily-accessible foods, I'm closer to McDougall. I don't sweat it. But even at home I also won't give up my white potatoes (and occasional slices of cracked wheat sourdough bread)! I must say I do perceive a kind of "shaming" vibe from Dr. Fuhrman at times when I listen to his lectures, but I do appreciate his lame jokes and the way he is striving towards finding the absolute best formula for human nutritional excellence. He looks to the future where McDougall looks to our evolutionary past (which is a valid perspective in itself, I believe).
Great points. I would agree that Dr. Fuhrman’s presentation style can make a person feel a little shamed, but I really do think he is just being funny with his shock value delivery. I don’t think he is constantly judging everyone but I could certainly be wrong. I had fun with his presentations while I know others find his style offensive.
Balanced observations, and excellent points. Thank you Stacy
Agreed! Your presentation was quite clear thank you!
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Our evolutionary past kind of goes back to when 40 was old. Just saying :)
Love watching you. I follow Dr Michael Greger’s Daily Dozen. Easy to follow and super healthy.
Wow... I feel so much better after listening to your take on all this. Even if it is over two years old at this time, it speaks to me right where I am today. Thank you so much. I feel as if a little weight has been lifted off my shoulders and I can go forward with more confidence about what I can do and what I just don't wanna..! I am 75 and in good health but can't (or won't) spend my day standing in the kitchen... It is a bit draining and I have so many more equally creative things calling to me that I want to do. Yay!!!! Love ya...
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I found Eat to Live 7 years ago and it was all I knew. I adopted his plan and it became habit so it isn’t hard. Also I really don’t think being aware of a few of the major health benefits of various classes of foods (GBOMBS) is reductionist. In other words there is no conflict with the synergistic effects of whole plant foods for health. It’s really a point of emphasis. Getting more of the foods with higher nutrient density and lower caloric density. I guess this information does impact me because I would tend to overdo on starch and displace the more nutritious veggies and fruits. They are more addictive for me. I’m not doing this for some long term longevity goals. I really notice that I feel lighter and more energized when eating more of those high nutrient/ lower calorie foods. But of course everyone needs to do what works for them. I do include nuts, seeds and avocados for example and those are not addictive for me, nor do they cause weight gain. I’m just putting this out there in case someone wants to try the nutritarian approach. It has been incredible for me. I reversed high cholesterol, high blood pressure and pre-diabetes plus lost over 60 pounds. I transformed in 9 months time and have sustained it over 7 years. I think it is a fun way to eat and live.
I’m a geriatrician for over 20 years. I follow McDougall, but the evidence I find is that my fit 90 year olds exercise moderately every day and eat very little. They don’t follow a particular diet. But they all are skinny. One of my patients lived to 102, healthy and riding her Exercycle until a month before she died. She ate one meal a day from age 21 till the end.
All those doctors agree that constantly digesting food is the number one factor in speeding up the aging process. So one meal a day can certainly prolong life.
Having cruciferous vegetables in high amounts daily is important for me, vs all the starch. The nutrients in them keeps my autoimmune diseases in check and my numbers normal. I’m also reversing a lifetime of bad nutrition, so for some of us, nutritarian foods work better and are worth the effort. Otherwise I don’t have the energy I need for my life. Wish I could afford to just be simple 😊
Just eat a variety of wholes foods that you can afford 👍 that's my tip 😜🤓
I take the best of both...does that make me a “starchnut”?
Haaaaaaaa!
No...a nutrastarchavarian
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I had to return to this rant because my sister called me yesterday to tell me she was doing Dr. Fuhrmans 6 week program from his book. I've been wfpb for almost 4 years, mostly following the Starch Solution, but just basically eating starches and veg and frut I like. I started listening to Dr. Fuhrmans daughters podcast with him, and after 2 episodes, I had my mind blown with the over abundnace of information, and the hacks he has to make things healthier, which honestly, make me crazy, and makes me feel for the moment, like I'm not doing it right!!!!! UGH, I like your simple approach Dylan, and Furhman definitely doesn't promote ease in my opinion. You are so right in attaching Dr. Lisle's idea of don't major in minor things in this instance. I am so glad Furhmans plan works for some people, it's certainly not hurting them! But, I feel like all these methods and plans are like religions, it's good to have some in your life, and to take parts that work for you from all of them. I have never agreed with someone as much as I do in this rant! I hate when someone sidelines me with something I haven't done! Thanks for making me feel better about my diet!
Happy it helps! Thanks for the super nice comment. 🥰
OMG... this is my first introduction to you. You are the male version of me! I love that you are so pragmatic: what am I really willing to do? It is so easy to let perfection get in the way of progress, as they say. If you're eating plants, and not processed vegan stuff, you are 99% of the way there.
I agree 💯! I utilize both. I stay away from nuts because I can't stop at 1oz. Sometimes I want potatoes, sometimes I want beans. Snacking what gets me in trouble so I don't do it!
I did dr. McDougalls and Furhman. My body takes well to Dr. Furhmans way of eating. I think it depends how the persons body and their preference. I lose weight on Furhmans and I feel amazing.
I like your advice. Pam Popper says the same thing about not getting hung up on specifics. It made my transition a few months be a lot
less stressful in trying to do the “right” thing.
I virtually NEVER comment on videos. This, however, was incredibly well thought out and presented impeccably. Thank you!
I’m an old guy (56) that has studied (not applied until I had a stroke) all of the teachings of everyone you have mentioned for over 35 years.
You sound like a recording of the same conclusions I reached.
Immensely appreciated. Very helpful.
THANK YOU!! This was immensely helpful. I know this video is 2 years old but it is exactly what I needed to see/hear right now. I've been starting to get confused and overwhelmed by which doctor to follow. All are mostly the same but have their own specific "thing." What's right? Whatever "plan" will keep you WFPB and not sliding back to SAD.
I agree with your thinking 100%, My philosophy is I don't want to, nor can I, live forever. I'm not afraid to die, but I don't want to LIVE a life worse than death. So, I eat as healthy as I can. Do I fall off the wagon occasionally, yes. But, I don't stay there. I hop right back on. Find the best, healthiest diet possible with foods that you love and continue doing that for the rest of your healthy life.
Beautiful!!! Yes!!!
I follow a whole food plant based diet which combines points from both Nutritarian and Starch based. If you are concerned about the glycemic index of white potatoes there are some tricks to help lower the index. Eat at least a half cup of beans daily, keep the potato chilled before cooking, and eat the skin of the potato. These factors help to lower the index. Good health to you all!
You are absolutely right and made so much sense. I think it would help so many people if the Doctors you referred to supported each other’s approach. When Dr Fuhrman compared his diet to McDougall’s I immediately thought of a saying I have heard many times throughout my life and that is, it’s OK if you sing in a high voice and I sing in a low voice as long as we’re singing from the same song sheet. When I listened to Dr Fuhrman I thought it’s dangerous for these very influential Doctors to sing very different songs. They need to tweak a few lyrics but sing the same song otherwise it all becomes too confusing and people lose confidence, when all they really need to is ditch the rubbish and eat more healthily. Imagine how strong these Drs would be if they all formed one choir singing in harmony to the world. I am looking to improve my diet and regularly juice, enjoy a starch based approach to cooking but I still occasionally eat meat and I love a coffee and a gin and tonic! However, I seem to have acquired dozens of very expensive books over the last few months which as you say confirm pretty much the same message while appearing a little contradictory. I think this is dangerous because it confuses people, nuts and seeds are a prime example. Your last question in the Fuhrman interview was spot on. UA-cam has been inspirational for me and yourself, the Krocks in the kitchen, the brand new vegan and many others are doing a fantastic job. So a huge thank you for the fantastic work you’re doing and apologies for the very long comment. I wonder if anyone ever reads it! 😂
I'm half way between the two. I understand the importance of greens, seeds and fruits/berries. At the same time I appreciate starch/beans and see them as the foundation of my diet and as a simple, cheap, fast way of eating. Dr. Fuhrman tends to overcomplicate things.
Do your best and I think you will thrive!
I think people get confused by the different lifestyle doctors because they aren't hearing the whole message. Fuhrman and Esselstyn generally lecture on reversing illnesses such as heart disease and diabetes, even cancer. Therefore, they have stricter guidelines for reversal of disease.
The other lifestyle doctors primary focus on a good eating style for the average person, though their recommendations will still benefit people with poor medical status. If your current prognosis is surgery or disability, Fuhrman and Esselstyn should be your go-to guys. If you're basically healthy, Greger, McDougal, and others will improve your longterm health.
Thank you!
McDougall is great for reversing type 2 diabetes and heart disease.
@@theveganceliac3410 it gets individualistic if you get stricter than Dr. Fuhrman check out Brian Clements. But every BODY is different and every one is on their own journey. I am a 60 yr old diabetic and Oatmeal and Fruit have to much carb for me my bood sugar is still to high.. But the increase in beans helps a lot.
Good, balanced look at your personal conclusions about the recommendation of these two doctors. I also consider Dr Greger and his daily dozen, as a very useful guide, and while Dr Esselstyn doesn't promote using nuts and seeds, probably because he's addressing those with heart disease, I find it useful to watch Ann, Jane and Rip Esselstyn, as they show what variations are possible. But your major point here is about not splitting hairs, and making it work for you so you'll actually do it. You're right on point there imho. My little tip: including flax seed, no breakfast cereal passes my lips without flaxseed on it, the same with baking. Great video, always interesting.
Thanks for the support as well as the tip!! 💪
I don't like the slimy or sticky quality of flax. I only eat it measured before I eat.
I love how blunt, honest and straight to the point you are. Human nature is to energy conserve, and that is my ultimate goal while eating optimally. Glad I found your page.
This was really helpful! I’ve been trying to eat starch solution for a while, and it’s been difficult because I’m a type 1 diabetic and I find that the white potatoes hit me hard. Harder than beans or sweet potatoes. (Also, I realize I’m in the minority here, but I don’t really like white potatoes unless they have fat on them. Don’t come for me please😉). You bring up a great point, instead of trying to follow one doctor perfectly, I should eat what I like and what works! Eat beans, whole grains, and sweet potatoes and don’t worry about it.
Your comment is from a year ago, but I had the same problem of having white potatoes cause a blood sugar spike for me. I could only eat them by putting them in a soup and adding some beans and veggies. I tried a vegan broccoli/potato soup but I ended up craving sugar so much that I never made it again (but I probably could have done better if I added beans)
Nothing beats potatoes and beans. There’re so many ways to combine’em: vegetables and beans, vegetables and potatoes, vegetables and beans and potatoes, zucchini and potatoes, zucchini and beans, broccoli and potatoes, broccoli and beans, purple cabbage and potatoes, purple cabbage and beans, brussel sprouts and beans, brussel sprouts and potatoes, etc., etc., etc.
See? Endless possibilities 🤗
Wow! Thank you for answering every single question and worry I had in an 18.41-minute video! You are my hero!
I’m glad you thought it helped! Thank you
Thank you for you’re words of encouragement. Transitioning is hard enough, I do think for me Dr. McDougals program has been the easiest.
Fantastic video and I agree with you 100%. I have no doubt that fuhrman approach is better but I end up combining the two just because it’s easier. I also cheat now and then with snacks but 95% of my food is good.
To get more fruits in your diet batch cook some steel cut oats then get frozen berries put a cup to cup and a half in a bowl with a 1/2 banana. Let them sit for 20 minutes. Then heat your oatmeal and pour over the fruit. Add hemp heart chia seeds and flaxseed. Best breakfast ever
This is a great video! I was an avid adopter of Daily Dozen with Dr Greger. It’s great to see that you stand independently. My biggest struggle is some of the these theories require a lot of prep work. But like others, I follow WFPB no oil. I eat processed foods/oils minimally when it’s unavoidable. I refuse to travel with food all the time and I like to go to restaurants every so often.
Agreed! I am not going to a hotel with food. No freakin' way. And if I eat out, I will eat plants but I will NOT PRESENT a card that tells them no oil, etc... Sheesh, I go out so seldom, and even less now with the pandemic.
Thanks for your honesty. At 73, I find I do the same thing when I go into kitchen to eat.
You are so real and straightforward! Thank you. I have tried plant based before and failed. I am ready to give it another go. Your suggestions make me feel optimistic that I can do this.
I struggled with weight most of my life. At my top weight in 2013, I discovered Joel Fuhrman on a PBS special, bought 'Eat to Live' after and lost a bunch of weight -- close to 100 lbs. In my enthusiasm for plant-based eating, I discovered the rest of those doctors you mention -- McDougall the most notable. Started eating more starches than I should. Weight loss stalled. Eventually got discouraged I wasn't hitting my weight loss goals, slowly went back to eating indiscriminately and gained 3/4 of it back.
Take #2 in 2021. I've lost 50-60 lbs and I really combine the Fuhrman and McDougal methods now. If I want to crank up the weight loss, I focus on more greens, but really I don't stress about it any more. At 5'10" and 51 years of age, I'm just happy to be under 200 lbs again and I never want to be 250 lbs+ again.
I can probably lose 20-30 lbs more but truthfully I'd be more inclined to do it in early spring 2022. I froze my ass off in 2013/2014 where I am in Canada when I lost all that weight and we had the coldest winter in 20 yrs that year.
Congrats on the weight loss. Hope you’re still doing well.
WOW! THANK YOU for bringing my attention back to the big picture! Trying to stay educated and on top of all the plant-based information out there is key to remaining committed for me, but the downside of listening and reading all that is that I can get caught up in the details of all the different approaches and beliefs. Trying to figure out which “guy” is RIGHT, makes me just lose sight of the bigger picture. What I basically got from this is, eat more greens and then eat the whole plant foods that work best for YOU. I needed this reminder ..... so thanks!
Glad to hear it helped you, thank you!!
Thank you for the video. I'm grateful that these two doctors are out there. Having multiple perspectives helps serve a greater number of people. I've been WFPB for about three years, and Starch solution did not work for me. I'm allergic to nightshade vegetables, so no white potatoes, and I do not care for sweet potatoes. I used grains as my primary starch, but I do not think I digest them well. I was so tired at the end of every meal, I could barely keep from falling head first onto the plate! When I limit grains, intermittent fast and eat an SOS free diet made up primarily of beans, greens, nuts and seeds, I feel incredible. I am 54 years old and had no idea it was possible to feel this good....
Wow this is really great. Great example of how the basics generally apply to everyone but the specifics can have dramatically different results.
I find that I eat more greens when I stuff a handful of salad greens, which I buy, ready cleaned, in beside my potatoes, beans, and pico meal. I can cut up some red onion, some colored peppers, fresh or dried garlic, herbs, etc. I use a lot of dried foods. I use the Eden beans and follow what Jeff Novick says about beans. He suggests keeping an open can of beans in the fridge (keep the liquid to cover the beans. They don't last long) and whenever you need some... scoop out a couple tablespoons onto your rice and vegi/ greens mixture, and voila. Doing that helps me make a great salad dressing with the cooking liquid in the can. It gives the same mouth feel as oil. I just pour some in a little bowl, add my favorite vinegar, whole grain mustard, herbs and spices and again, voila.... actually, I have got to the point of just sprinkling each item on my salad like I used to with oil and vinegar dressing. It's the lazy way but, oh, so good. I'm talking about a very large/wide bowl. It's a lovely meal but, I will say that you are getting more nutrition than most people, the way you eat so, best not to get myopic as some of these authors will want. Don't forget they are selling books and selling a plan. I think that Dr. McDougall gives a lot for free. People can get all they need from his free program on his web sight. That is why I've chosen the one dish meal option. Now and then I get some/make some no oil, no salt wraps/tortillas as an alternative but I'd rather just eat out of that big bowl. You actually helped me with that. I keep some potatoes, brown rice, and sweet potatoes cooked and ready to go. Add some colorful vegis/pico, and greens and chow down. We aren't supposed to make a life out of preparing and eating. We are supposed to eat well and get on with living life. Always love your videos. Lynn
Great comments Lynn. I always appreciate your support and enthusiasm. And I always enjoy your comments. Keep up being an influencer in our community ❤️
I just came across your videos and enjoying them .. I have known of Dr McDougal’s wisdom for years
I am following Dr. McDougall's plan. Easy for me. By the way, thanks for posting the 'cheeze sauce' recipe. It will be a staple in my fridge. Love your channel.
Thank you!!
I'm doing some McDougall and some Fhurman. I eat mashed sweet potatoes and beans and that's about it for the starch, then I eat vegetables the rest of the time. No nuts, no meat and no dairy. I take a B12 supplement and one Garden of Life Organic Vit & Mineral. I also do Intermittent Fasting 16/8. Good video!
Sounds like you are doing well. Thank you!!
I’m so glad I came across this video. So well reasoned!
Thank you! I am glad too!
I am a brand new Vegan, first book was Dr Neil Barnard and second was Dr. McDougall. These two have helped me transfer over and anything stricter I may not have made it.
Yes, please do the micro greens educational videos!!! Thanks, WYW
My pleasure. I will do that for sure! Thanks for the support!
Love you back as our mentor. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on two doctors I greatly respect, as you do. Your balanced perspective is positive and constructive. It makes sense to me.
Thanks for the kindness! XO
The way I found works best for me is to add frozen greens to my meals. So when you are heating up your beans on the stove, throw some frozen greens in. After your starch blaster is done, throw some frozen greens in. Every little bit helps :)
For me the nutritarian diet leaves me feeling hungry. I have to have my starch! But with the amount of plant foods I'm eating, I'm getting all the nutrients I need :)
Great advice on the greens Laura!! Thank you!
I only eat frozen stuff I made myself. I think the food always tastes yucky and feeezer-burnt unless it's all mine that I made.
The strict nutritarian way is low starch and is more for weight loss. But he does have a section iirc were some people can eat more starch than others. Even a little olive oil also. And as is stated here fuhrman and McDougal are more similar than not. It would great to see them talk about some of these subjects!
This is the absolute most no nonsense channel ever. Love it. Thank you dude.
Well said, couldn't agree more. I've learned different things from all the doctors ( Esselstyn, Campbell, Greger, McDougall, Lisle, Pam Popper) as well as Chef AJ and others. I basically follow a starch solution diet although I've never actually even read the book. Just doing what works for me and I'm confident that if something in my body goes sideways or doesn't feel right, I'll know it. ( I also go for regular yearly exams) . THanks for your sage commentary and nice synopsis. Spot on.
Thank you Michelle! Great to hear from you!
I was 145 pounds 6 feet tall at 22. At 215 pounds with asthma, arthritis, hemorrhoids, diverticulitis, no energy. Went on Mcdougall diet initially was 166 pounds now at 175 feel much better. Thanks for your personal insights... It makes it make sense. You are an inspiration for us! Bless you Dillon and keep it up!
Great assessment! As you say, all of the plant based docs have a lot more in common than not. I listen to all of them and use a combination of their recommendations that are sustainable and effective for me.
Just by virtue of eating a whole food plant- based diet and cutting out meat, dairy and processed junk, we are on the right track for longevity and good health. The reductionist stuff is splitting hairs. As Dr. Lisle says, "majoring in minor things".
Love it, yes!
Such excellent advice. I have listened to Fuhrman, Mcdougall and Chef AJ and take all their recommendations in to account. I eat totally plant based whole foods and feel fantastic, so full of energy . I have easily eliminated all meats, fish ,dairy, oils and sugar and really it is a breeze. Can’t recommend it enough and that is now my lifestyle without another thought .🙂
Glad to hear it! Thank you!
Great video, I can tell you from experience that both of these diets work well. Dr. Fuhrman’s does allow you to eat a lot more as it’s not centered around tubers and starches. Yeah he adds beans and does say that you can eat potatoes as well. To put this in perspective I placed myself on a 1600 calorie a day diet. I couldn’t eat more than 1200 to 1300 calories a day. I would eat an apple and a banana for breakfast, 200 calories. A pound of greens for lunch 100 calories with another pound combined of cucumber 🥒 corn 🌽 celery, carrots🥕 onions 🧅 mushrooms 🍄 a ounce of nuts totaling 300 calories. My total thus far is 500. For dinner I would add a can of bean at 350 calories and a can of Amy’s soup and oftentimes I would add a can of Amy’s organic soup 🍲 adding another 200 to 300 calories for a daily total of 1000 to 1100 calories and I was full all day long and couldn’t eat a drop more. Sometimes I would eat a potato white in the evening with the soup but I could never consume more than around 1200 calories and the weight just melted off. Again both diets are solid but Dr. Fuhrmans is healthier. This is just my opinion
I agree with you I cannot eat without overeating it. I do like Dr. Fuhrman's plan.
Good discussion. Have struggled to get more greens myself. Two good ways I’ve found are Dr. Brooke Goldner’s anti inflammatory green smoothies (75% greens/25% fruit/water/chia seeds) or taco salad with greens, rice,beans, corn and salsa, pico or guacamole for dressing.
I like her and her husband! Thank you!!
She makes a whole blender of green smoothie every morning and sips on that and water throughout the day for her breakfast and lunch and then just has a healthy dinner when she gets home. Also a great idea for busy people at work. You can get close to a pound of greens a day that way.
Very balanced and practical. The general thrust of your diet is the main thing which is plant based and low fat. It may be that these disputes between doctors who essentially promote the same thing is good for public attention but the more important point is that both approaches are infinitely better than paleo or animal product diets.
This video was exactly what I needed. I was coming to the same conclusions you have! Its like you read my mind!
We make a lot of sense ha ha 💪
I like both views. I actually feel better without nuts and seeds. But Furhmans focus on greens and beans is awesome imo. Thanks
Good video! I agree that you need to do what is sustainable! Thank you for you honest opinion,it is good to hear!
Thank you, I appreciate that! 🙂
I am 100LBs overweight right now. Dr. Fuhrman's recipes seem to help me right now. I like that he is on the restriction take. For me I need to increase the greens. As a 55-year woman, I need the restriction.
Totally with you on the salad prep - I hate it, so now I just grab a pile of green and throw it on a plate next to my bowl of hot food and it works for me.
Ya totally. A pile of green, I love it.
My husband hates salads, so he just grabs a few handfuls of raw greens, usually baby spinach, and shoves them in his mouth.
I've been able to get more salads in by advance prep.
I get a bag of arugula, a bag of watercress, maybe some spinach and kale, maybe some chopped herbs, I like cilantro or basil, put in a huuuge bowl and mix. Then add some chopped carrots, celery, onions, snap peas or snow peas, chopped asparagus. I then put it all in a gallon size Ziploc bag which I have poked lots of holes into with a straight pin, and also put in the bag half of a dry paper towel. The holes in the bag allow the transpiration of the veggies, and the paper towel absorbs excess moisture. If the veggies are too wet, they'll rot pretty quick. ( I got the information on storing veggies to prolong their freshness and nutrition from a book I checked out from my library, "Eating on the Wild Side". I don't recall the author). I also learned to store mushrooms in a paper bag, and wrap fresh herbs in a paper towel to make them last longer. Herbs and shrooms that are a little dried out are still edible, unlike herbs, shrooms, or other veggies stored in a non-permeable plastic bag, which become slimy and rotten.
So I have my bag of ready salad, just grab 2 or 3 handfuls, add some of my homegrown broccoli sprouts, some grape tomatoes, and top with whatever, like beans, tahini, some oil-free dressing.
I never prep. I just prepare each meal as it comes. It is usaly ready in 15 minutes. That includes steamed greens, a salad with varied raw veggies, a bean of some sort and a sweet potato, brown rice or quinoa. So much easier and fresher to do it that way then to wear myself out chopping ahead.
April Hall great info!
My idea for eating nuts and seeds would be to make nut/seed based dressing or sprinkle some onto your daily salad. For me that would be an easy way to not get crazy with the nuts/seeds.
I didn't like this video....I LOVED it!!! I watch all of your videos (except the live ones....my archaic browser doesn't support live video) but this is definitely one of my favorites. You address the issues that I have mentally wrestled with for a long time, having followed the work of these same doctors over the years. I think the overall benefits of plant based eating often gets lost in the rigid adherence to a particular plan of a particular doctor. The general precepts are basically the same and if followed in a comfortable and sustainable way, as you articulated it so well, the benefits to the environment, the animals, and your health will inevitably follow.
Beautiful write up! ❤️❤️ you’re always so good to me! Thank you for the support always!
I was about to leave a comment, but when I read this I thought, well, this is exactly what I was thinking but much more articulate, so let me just say... I couldn't agree more.😊❤️
Excellent, cannot agree more!
Couldn't have said it better. Well done. To follow either of these guys or creating a combination of both, will still mean you will be healthier than 99% of the population.
Great video. You said exactly what I’ve thought for ages. So nice to hear. 😁
Thank you!
Well said video. Echos a lot of my sentiments.
As a plant based eater who has to travel the world I can tell you it is much much easier to communicate to people( with english as a second or third language) and restaurants a meal based on potatoes and rice and beans. These are the staples that keep you going day after day and week after week. From the poorest to the richest countries, these are everywhere. Greens and such are rare and not everybody has them and you have to take the fruits and veggies that are prevalent to that region. So while I respect Dr. Fuhrman for the help that he has given to so many and the expertise that he brings to the table, I will always be a Mcdougaller.
As a plant based person our food choices are as close to the ethnicity and culture of our family roots France and Mediterranean which include nuts and regional grains.
Even when we have eaten plant based American, German British fare we gain weight and just don't feel well. Eating is also a communal activity where we sit savour our food and love the preparation.
It’s definitely in our blood to be social with our food
Thank you so much for sharing all that awesome INFORMATION AND TIME AND IDEAS for someone like me WHO is New to the PLANT BASE WAY OF LIFE
Sound advice. There are times I get so overwhelmed and discouraged and don't receive alot of support from my dr regarding the effects of diet on my health. I am over 65 and on medications. I often feel I am going it alone without support from my medical comm.
Don’t feel discouraged; your experience is very common among all of us seeking sound advice from a medical community incapable of providing it. That is why we have built our own community such as this Well Your World community, not to provide medical advice, but it turns out most of the advice we need is not medical in nature. But regarding your meds, there are a lot of great plant based doctors that can transition you toward a health promoting lifestyle.
I'm 66 and have been vegan almost 7 years. This is the best change I've ever made - I have three sisters who are animal eaters and on blood pressure and cholesterol meds. They can take them forever! Don't give up, I'm here along with others.
I love The starch solution, I love beans, potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, rice or brown rice.... for me is the best
what beans is the best for you?
I have read both Drs books and followed both food plans at different times.. They are both right. I will say Dr McDougal is WAY easier and WAY WAY WAY cheaper
You don't need as much food by a long shot if the quality is there. You'll be shocked.
You can use head lettuce to dilute the more expensive stuff. Go to Aldi's, stay out of Whole Foods for the most part.
McDougall's approach has more studies and clinical experience backing it up.
I think balance and moderation is important, that means not obsessing about the details of food too much. There are other important aspects of health that have nothing to do with what we put in our mouth, such as stress management, that are often overlooked in the desire to micromanage food.
Great video! After 30 years of veganism I've gone through the same stuff. Love Dr. Fuhrman, been following him for years. However, I do disagree about not eating before working out. I'm a personal trainer and find it extremely difficult for myself and my clients to sustain energy with no food in the belly. I advise eating fruit an hour before the workout. I prefer bananas and/or oranges. It's made a bit difference in my life. It's all about RESULTS!
You have articulated my thoughts as I have followed many of the doctor's for about a year now. The most thoughtful summary I have heard to date. Thanks!
Thanks for this. ENJOYED THIS INFORMATION. Very real !!
Excellent review of both diets and I agree that whatever eating plan, or combo of eating plans you choose to follow, it must be sustainable.
So good to hear you discuss this.
I feel the same way about potatoes too.
So I'm not the only one who can't stop at one handful of nuts either, I'm thinking of crushing them and sprinkling a little on my breakfast along with my flax. Maybe that would work. Thank you for the video. Do you ever do live chats ?
Yes join us in the well your world facebook group. I have not done any youtube live videos yet. I'm sure I will in the near future...
Have you tried raw unsalted?
My newest hack is a huge raw salad then use canned beans as a base of a dressing. Put some beans, soaked nuts, water with various spices and apple cider vinegar in a blender. This makes a great substantial and savory dressing which make the huge salad absolutely mouthwateringly amazing…
That's an awesome idea, thanks for sharing!
Excellent pragmatic summation of the various plant diets. I know I will never achieve a 100% perfect diet, i.e I have just enough oil and sugar, as I can get away with to make plant-based foods palatable to me. These little cheats mean I stick with the diet. If I can achieve 90% or 95% perfection that's good enough for me. This works for me.
Yes!! Thank you!
I've lost weight doing both of these plans. I tend to stick with DrF's plan with a little more organic potato/bread because I feel better mentally with some healthy fats (nuts, seeds, avocados) in my diet. I also try to buy organic whenever possible...especially ww breads/flours/oats...too many chemicals being sprayed on our crops these days.
Good sense in your video.... thanks for sharing your take on this small differences.
Thank you!
Great Video! Karen and I just had this conversation last week. The difference between these two Doctors. We agree with you! I went Vegan for health reasons. Blood tests were heading the wrong way back when I was eating animal products. I was 50 and eating a healthy American diet.... not good! Plant based corrected all issues. I am also intermittent fasting, do the Vegan Version of Bulletproof coffee. This all works well for me!
The one thing I always lean into is the Blue Zones study (Beans are Great). They looked at longest living humans and said what are they doing? Let’s do that.