We know His will. It’s very clear, promise after promise. Have you done it? Take care that your emphasis on sovereignty doesn’t testify against you. Take care family. Two brothers arguing about how mighty dad is may realize that He’s right there over their shoulder reminding them that He commissioned them, and He meant it!!
If an Arminian church sends out a missionary and supports him, and that missionary was convinced to Calvinism and the Arminian church cut his support, who is killing the mission?
Treat it this way: Pre-destinated is that believing or accepting this grace is pre-destinated to cause your justification. In other word, God is definitely chose a group of people to be saved, but those group is the group of people who use free-will to chose Him. That's how free-will and pre-destination. So, in this way, the grace can still be resisted even God will not control it. So, in here, God do the initial chance and requirement to be chosen, but still man needs to be willing to take this chance. So, Pre-destination and free-will will not contradict each other.
6:00 I would say the answer to that is that in God's grace He threw both me and my brother a life rope when we were drowning. I chose to grab the rope, my brother didn't. I responded, my brother didn't. That's not me saving myself because I'm so amazing. Working my way to heaven etc. It's just me holding onto and trusting the rope that God graciously provided to save me. I didn't deserve it, I bring nothing to the table, that makes me love God all the more for what He did for me.
Except if you throw a life rope to a man already dead he's not grabbing it. So for him to grab the rope he has to be "made alive" first to even see the rope. "And you who were DEAD in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God MADE ALIVE together with Him." -Col. 2:13 Dead men don't see, grab, taste, touch or feel unless someone with the power of life in his breath breathes into him. Salvation is complete and total grace.
Dead men don’t lust, steal ,murder or anything either. They just rot. We were not dead like Lazarus but dead like the prodigal son who did do all those things then came to his senses.
God Our Lord brings one to the gospell or brings the Gospell to them. It is allways by the Gospell that we come to the Lord. And always by conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit. Never lost is never saved.
. Right , believing the gospel that CHRIST has offered every creature in the whole world . You might get lucky and be on the elect list . I'm not a Calvinist , I'm just breaking it down to the actuality of calvinistic doctrine of election and predestination . Calvinism mocks the sovereignty of GOD and blasphemes our SAVIOR when applied to passages where CHRIST is speaking about who HE died for and who HE draws and who HE offers salvation to .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Well, you have a complete misunderstanding of Calvinism. It's not as though you give Christianity a shot in hopes you are elect. Each and every person who believes on Christ truly is elect and was predestinated by God. John 6:44 - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." Ephesians 1:4-5 - "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." Romans 8:30 - "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." And there plenty other verses
@@fireflames3639 calvinism isn't christianity in that sense my friend and I most certainly understand calvinism but it seems you don't have a clue by your response .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 I didn't say Calvinism was Christianity. You don't have to believe it to be saved. It seems as though you are mad I gave verses and now you are using as hominems.
so a person ends up in hell bc God refused to elect& choose him for heaven… it’s not bc they will not come to Christ…Jn5:39,40… it’s bc they were not elected to do so… oh B/4 the foundation of the world… of course… how silly of me..
I still don't get it, after watching this video, why do Calvinists bother to evangelize? As an Arminian Christian I feel I have a duty to evangelize, as by doing so I can increase the number of those who are saved in eternity. Calvinists believe that this number of those who are saved in eternity (which they call "the elect") has been set from the beginning of time, ergo, it cannot be increased. So why would Calvinists bother to make effort to evangelize? May as well just lie on the sofa watching Netflix, as when there is someone you are predestined to evangelize, there's nothing you can do that would stop that from happening.
adburltv- It's simple! Because God commands us to! It's the means that God uses to bring in his Elect/Sheep. We declare the gospel and then God does the work and regenerates the believers heart to BELIEVE. See John 6:28-29, John 6:37-40, John 10:25-29,John 17:2
I won't say it is not needed as @teemu1381 told us one aspect why we have to do evangelism, but certainly Calvinism's tulip soteriology doesn't have enough biblical support. Although we cannot say it is a heretical though but still will hinder some of real reasons and put down the enthusiasm of evangelism and global mission. It is just like the elder member say the same thing to William Carey. God doesn't need our enthuses to share the gospel, because I will do it and those I have worked on him, will not be able to resist.
but rather Arminian soteriology, like today's some Wesleyan and Baptist church also has their problem with eternal security on salvation which has problem with God's guarantee He will keep us from gospel of John and other books. True that some people are not believed from the beginning and not save, but many believers are once believe and then got weak or frustrated, then leave the church and never come back. Some of them don't even admit that he is a believer anymore, are they still save? If not, then either they have never regenerate, or God cannot keep His promise to keep them from eternal punishment. So, deeds are always needed to proof that you are saved. It is actually the same in Calvinism soteriology.
Man i feel the same way after leaving the Catholic church and looking for a non-denominational church i didn't even know people believed in such things. Sounds an awful lot like Jehovah's Witness to me!!!
I wish John Piper said it simpler, because Jesus commanded us so. But what he was getting is that God not only ordained the salvation of the one He elected, but also the MEANs by which said person is saved, which is through the preaching of the gospel. That's why Calvinists DO bother to evangelize because the only way a person will be saved is through the preaching of the gospel and nothing else. And because we know that it is God who saves, it was God who elects, we can share the gospel knowing full well that God will do His work, no matter how well or bad we present the gospel to the person. And it's amazing to share the gospel as a Calvinist because the burden is not on me to save them, I just gotta be faithful to God's word and God will do the rest, in other words, I got guaranteed success that God's will be done no matter the outcome. Just like the parable of the sower where each seed falls, the sower(evangelist) throws the seed(gospel) to all types of ground(people) and each ground has been prepared beforehand(by God) to accept or reject the seed. If anything I pity the Arminian because the final decision lies to the man which means you gotta present a gospel that's reasonable to the person and the burden falls on you to do it right. Which leads to discouragement and pragmatism and trying to add philosophy to the gospel and have bad theologians like William Lane Craig who says "first you gotta prove to the person that a god exists" "Then! you can try to prove to them that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah" and so on and so forth. Biblically you just preach the gospel and that's it for it is the power of God onto salvation like Romans 1:16 says.
"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people[a] should be kept alive, as they are today." Genesis 50:20 What brothers did, did out of their own will. AND it was planned by God to happen before the foundation of the world.
Here's the answer for you (since I have a friend who asked the exaxt same thing). First, We need to believe that God made all humans and that we are his jars of clay... His vessel to be used. On the account of when pharaoh's heart is hardened by God to let the Israelites go (Genesis) ... Please read Romans 9:15-20. God... Our sovereign God... Will have mercy to whom he has mercy...and compassion as he has compassion, As he pleases. If one intelligence thinks about this... It's unfair, doesnt make sense that God made Pharaoh's heart hardened. He must not have free will and controlled by God then even though he's seen all those plagues as clear signs of God's powers. We may think then: "God must loved pharaoh as well, pharaoh is His creation and wanted everyone saves. Because that means that pharaoh's just a puppet... a robot. Then it goes... So then it depends Not on human will or exertion, but on God who has mercy. So, if you read carefully along... Regarding the non-free will/hardening heart of pharaoh, as God gives mercy as He wills, He will also hardened hearts as He wills. Who can resist His will? Who are you o man to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its maker "why you made me this way?" Then pursue this train of thought further if your heart has been compelled by God to find out more: Romans 9:19... Romans 9:20-21...Ezekiel 36:26-27...Hebrews 6:1...Ephesians 1:17-18. I pray that these will bring clarity to your question as to whether we have free will to eat an apple right now, or not wanting to let go of our intellectual doctrines of theology and know that God is in control since He is God. Amen.
If God ordained or decreed all things that come to pass, then whatever you do is ordained or decreed by God. So, just live your lives.. love, heal, hate, murder… it doesn’t matter it’s all preordained. Just do whatever… or this heresy is wrong and we do have choices ( non compatibillistic choices).
Based on your theology. Then people got divorced. Which is against Scripture. If God chose and decided each selected person for salvation. Based on this thinking. God chose that divorced people to get divorced. See the flaw in the Calvinism think.
"I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things." Isa 45:7 "Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the LORD that will stand." Prov. 19:21 "As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." Gen 50:20 Yes, God did decide that that couple would get divorced, AND at the same time, they went against God's commanding will and sinned against Him. God ordained it, God planned it, God was in control of it, AND those two couples wanted to do it. In their own hearts wanted a divorce and did so our of the ambition of their own hearts and are responsible for their sin, not God. Now that may not logically make sense in OUR minds, but who are we gonna listen to, our rationality or God's words? Just because it doesn't make sense ergo that's not what the text means? I don't think so. And neither can we say that's unfair because we're the creature and God is the creature, by what standard do we accuse God of doing what He wants with his creation? (Paul addresses this issue in Romans 9 btw)
Jn. 6:28,29 alone refutes his bs…” what must…WE….DO… that we might work the works of God…”& Jesus answered & said…” this is the work of God… that… YOU… BELIEVE…IN…ME…WHOM…. HE….HAS…SENT…” Our Lord never said…” hold on to ya hats… I gotta ck, w/ the father to see if you, ve been elected/ chosen to believe or not… in Jn. 5:39,40 Jesus says…” you…WILL….NOT…come to me that you might have life…” Question…?? How do ya…”WIL….NOT…” if ya have no…WILL… To…” WILL…NOT…” with …????
What about 2 Peter 3:9, NIV: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." This verse tells us very clearly that God wants to save everyone, but we know that not everyone gets save, why? Because people have the free will to reject God. To reject something is a decision, if you can reject something you can accept it too, aka free will.
The problem with free will in salvation is this: what about those who died & never heard the gospel? They couldn't even use their so called free will to receive by faith or reject the gospel. Free will presupposes that all humans have an equal opportunity & capability to respond to the gospel where in reality we don't.
@@universegroove Yeah but that's just a very specific case that the Bible doesn't address. We know that God is good and holy, so we can assume he will properly judge those people.
@@tommysurielSo what's the point to evangelize at all if God can properly judge everyone (and, I assume from your statement, you meant not only judgement for eternal hell but for an endless life with Him) even without hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
2peter3v9 in kjv mentions usward meaning the elect It's not his will that any of the elect will perish but all brought To repentance Modern versions weaken the doctrine of election and the deity of Christ!
It's strange how Calvinists get so much hate from so called "christians" for believing in what the bible clearly and unmistakably says and teaches. I wonder why is that.
It's not hatred towards Calvinists. But the time is long overdue that the heresies from these Calvinists are identified and called out. This garbage has gone on for too long now that it's become accepted.
This argument about God’s total sovereignty it’s one that does not put God in a good light, because God has to decree everything in order to His will be accomplished. I believe that the Bible (The Word of God) portrays a much sovereingh God than that, that God created beings (angels and Humans) with will to choose, and despite of what their choise, God will still fulfill His plan of salvation. That is a much more sovereingh God to me. Imagine that God will play chess with you and in order to win, He has to decree you to loose. That is a weak God. And it’s all fun and games to joke about God decree of where the bootle on the table would be, but change the exemple with the bootle with rapeing of a 3 year of girl and sexually exploit her and sell her 10 times a day, or impregnanting of african womens for the purpose of harvesting organs from their baby’s, not fun anymore ay Jhonny boy? Peace to everybody, and discernement.👌🏻
Little Andrew the other guy answering him with Mark Devor pastor of capital Hill Baptist Church Washington DC and is one of the top figures in evangelicalism today and is highly highly respected
Stop being disruptive? If you are buying into what John is saying then the disruption was also decreed by God from eternity past. And so is your objection to this comment.
@@zachm.6572 The question is not if you like it or find it Awful. The question and Answer is that Our Lord God does what He wants and He alone knows the outcome of all things All years together is for Him the same as one day. Here it is. Matthew 10: 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from YOUR FATHER’S WILL. Leighton and other Palagianist will tell you it is the bird’s fault. But what about the greatest catastrophic event? Was God not in control of that? Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. After God created all things and God saw that it was good [perfect] God planted a tree: “The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL.” Men did not know about evil but God did. Blasphemers are those that deny the Sovereignty of God. Iblīs was an Angel he was cast out of heaven because he argued with God why He created men who He made out of clay in His own Image with so much Glory. He said with more other angels to God: "You created them from clay and us from Fire why are we servants." we should receive more glory than they. God’s anger arose and Fire came from His Nostrils. The anger of God was never seen before. Michael and the angels on God’s side started war and threw Iblīs and his followers out of Heaven. Due to his fall from God's grace and jealousy he went to the earth to Paradise and deceived Adam and Eve to hurt God in the Crown of His creation. Iblis is often identified with Al-Shaitan ("the Devil"). It is a story you find in the Quran but is much much older than the Quran. from older manuscripts. The name Iblīs is derived from Ancient Greek διάβολος (diábolos) There was no Devil on day 6 when God saw that all he made was GOOD. If God did ?? not predetermine things???? God The Creator of Heaven and Earth could have thrown Iblīs In hell in the outer darkness or even destroy/ Annihilate him completely. But no God let him go to the earth take upon himself the form of a snake and deceive Eva and then Adam by his own wife, God gave him. Did God just only know that it would happen? God already had a plan of salvation and that Christ our Lord would come and die for the sins of the world. The plan was not optional it was determent. God prevented them to eat from the tree of life and live. Joseph went to see his Brothers. What happened they were jealous of him being his dad’s favored kid. We know what happened he was sold as a slave to Egypt. He becomes the slave of Potiphar. His wife want Joseph in her bed. Joseph refusal end him up in jail where he reveals a dream and because of it he was called by pharaoh who also had a dream. He became the second ruler in Egypt. When his brothers came because of hunger in the world. Was God in Control of that? Joseph tells his brothers Genesis 45:5 But don’t be upset. And don’t be angry with yourselves because you sold me here. God sent me ahead of you to SAVE MANY LIVES. 6 For two years now, there hasn’t been enough food in the land. It was God’s plan even the drought God could have given rain. God knew that the drought would force Jacob and Joseph's brothers to Egypt and made Joseph go ahead of them. It's clear this was the plan of God! Jacob went to Egypt to move there and see Joseph again. God did NOT tell Jacob to start a mission post in Egypt. Did they not need the faith of Jacob if God wants them Saved? But instead God gave them their own territory the land of Goshen separated from the Egyptians. The Israelites became Slaves for 400 years. This the Lord already told Abraham It was not an option it was determent and instead of doing mission they started to serve the Idols of the Egyptians. God made pharaoh affright for the Israelites [or was it not God Who controlled even the tiniest thought of the Pharaoh if He can Harden his heart?] He started to kill every boy born to the Israelites. Because of it Moses ended up with the princes of Egypt and could have all the riches of Egypt but: Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, You get it God was in control of the weather and could have given rain so Joseph’s brothers would not have gone to Egypt. Pharaoh’s heart would not have been hardened and all first born in Egypt who did not know the left from the right hand not have died. All the calamities in the desert would not have happened. From the almost 2 Million people that left Egypt non entered the promised land. What about all the first born in Egypt who died because God hardened the heart of Pharaoh. All the army of pharaoh drowned in the red sea without the Gospel. And the order of the Lord to kill each other after worship of the Golden Calf. 3,000 were killed by sword instead of a temporary punishment to give them time to repent and being forgiven. This worship was because they went to Egypt were they learned serving Idol gods. Was that a good reason for God to let them kill each other? Or did God not have to give an account to anyone for what He does? according to you God was wrong. Daniel 4: 34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; 35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?” Just a period of drought created all this and Joseph being sold to Egypt. If God is Confused then Kevin Leighton and the other Palagians or semi Palagians are Right. If God is the All Glorious Lord Creator and the Alpha and the Omega the Begin of all things and the Ruler of all the earth and Do whatever him pleases. Better remember what Happened to Iblīs I say Iblīs and not Lucifer because that is the King Of Babylon and a wrong translation of the word Morning Star. While all is translated in English it is left in Latin. This is why the Mormons say that Jesus is the Brother of Lucifer. Revelation 20: 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more. Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? Did God just know? Where does it say that? Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth. …Then the righteous will answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?” And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.” (Matthew 25:37-40) those being Saved by grace did not know that what they did pleased God.
Christ’s death was absolutely necessary in God’s plan but, according to the Bible, it is not what saved us. If Jesus died and was left on the cross and turned to dust or turned to dust in the tomb we would still be in our sins (1 Cor 15:17). But because he rose from the dead we are saved (Rom 5:9-10)
My brother just continue reading until John 3:19-20 and there you will find the answer men does not come to the light how can they freely choose? if they want darkness rather than the light. It is the grace of God that cause a man to be born again so he can have faith to be save. Now tell me who is wrong? Everyone is wrong or in sin is your choosing cause you to brag to God? Its all by His grace .
Kevin Barton I agree with you brother. God’s grace extends to my brother as well as me. 28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?”29 Paul replied, “Short time or long-I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.” Acts 26:28-29 | NIV
I think the Calvinist view of Christianity is more honest to what the Bible says... But it is absurd... People need to remember the Bible was written by man, it's not a given that It is literally true...
You are indeed right that the Bible, the papyrus was written by Men as close to the original historical accounts back then. Jesus couldn't have written by himself as a testimony/witness since we were instructed to Go and make disciples to all. So, would one even believe a book that a guy wrote 2000 years who claimed he was the Son of God, and that He is God? I think we'd be more skeptical about a crazy book claiming someone's God. So, the apostles were compelled to write all their memories and understanding about what happened so the next generation and the next won't forget, hence we now heard about Jesus. We believe because of the written words by men, breathed out by the truth of God about what happened. Is the word of God. If you are still unsure, with a humble heart... you can ask God to talk to you, if He wills it. Hope this bring a little bit of hopeful clarity for you.
Calvin was a tradition of men, God defying Sunday keeper, graven image user, reformer within the already traditionalist realm of Catholics, and Lutherans. No reverence or credibility is worthy of deliberate defiers of God's holy spiritual law. Thus: Calvinism smalvanism.
Calvinism is not only anti-mission, it's anti-Christ because it says we're saved by election and not by faith in Christ. So let me provide a proper understanding... those the Father foreknew are known to Him as Israel, and the Father predestined all of Israel to be saved. Want to be a part of the Father's people known to Him as Israel, read Romans 11:11-32
@@Niko-zg6uqyou failed to continue with the verse which says: " we're saved by grace through FAITH, not election or some other random selection process. Those who plant The Word that comes from the Father in their heart are given the "gift", which is Immanuel.
@@aaronpaulk we do that by dying to ourselves and our fear of death, which is the fear of being separated from the world, so we can live in the newness of a life in Christ and a fear of the Lord, which os the fear of being separated from Him.
We know His will. It’s very clear, promise after promise. Have you done it? Take care that your emphasis on sovereignty doesn’t testify against you. Take care family. Two brothers arguing about how mighty dad is may realize that He’s right there over their shoulder reminding them that He commissioned them, and He meant it!!
Would you DO ACTS 1:8 !! Will we ??!!
He references Acts 14:38 but there is no Act 14:38. Not a fan of Mocking laughter at a serious question.
1:16 he says Acts 14:38
He meant 13:48 which literally teaches unconditional election.
Very good...!!!
If an Arminian church sends out a missionary and supports him, and that missionary was convinced to Calvinism and the Arminian church cut his support, who is killing the mission?
the Bible is just unambiguous on this point: God chose who he chose before we were created, not after. Romans 8 and 9.
what if Paul was wrong? He was also wrong about slavery.
Paul was never wrong because his words were from God not of His own. "Slavery" back then was a form of paying your debts.
We are not God. We have to respond to the gospel. We have free will but God knows those who are His.
Treat it this way: Pre-destinated is that believing or accepting this grace is pre-destinated to cause your justification. In other word, God is definitely chose a group of people to be saved, but those group is the group of people who use free-will to chose Him. That's how free-will and pre-destination. So, in this way, the grace can still be resisted even God will not control it. So, in here, God do the initial chance and requirement to be chosen, but still man needs to be willing to take this chance. So, Pre-destination and free-will will not contradict each other.
Those he foreCHOSE? No, it doesn't say forechose. It says foreKNEW.
I can't imagine God asking us why someone else did or did not come to Christ.
Nobody's saying he would ask that.
6:00 I would say the answer to that is that in God's grace He threw both me and my brother a life rope when we were drowning. I chose to grab the rope, my brother didn't. I responded, my brother didn't. That's not me saving myself because I'm so amazing. Working my way to heaven etc. It's just me holding onto and trusting the rope that God graciously provided to save me. I didn't deserve it, I bring nothing to the table, that makes me love God all the more for what He did for me.
Except if you throw a life rope to a man already dead he's not grabbing it. So for him to grab the rope he has to be "made alive" first to even see the rope.
"And you who were DEAD in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God MADE ALIVE together with Him." -Col. 2:13
Dead men don't see, grab, taste, touch or feel unless someone with the power of life in his breath breathes into him. Salvation is complete and total grace.
@@jdoggmusicman did you see Voddie Baccum's "Dead man don't grab!"
@@andrewglessner9355 Clips but from what I've seen I completely agree with him. Lazarus was as dead as a soap dish until Jesus called his name.
Dead men don’t lust, steal ,murder or anything either. They just rot. We were not dead like Lazarus but dead like the prodigal son who did do all those things then came to his senses.
The guy with the mix is very strange
God Our Lord brings one to the gospell or brings the Gospell to them. It is allways by the Gospell that we come to the Lord. And always by conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit. Never lost is never saved.
Is " you might be elect so give it a shot harmful to missions "?
Give what a shot? Meaning go on missions or believe on the gospel because you might be elect?
. Right , believing the gospel that CHRIST has offered every creature in the whole world . You might get lucky and be on the elect list . I'm not a Calvinist , I'm just breaking it down to the actuality of calvinistic doctrine of election and predestination . Calvinism mocks the sovereignty of GOD and blasphemes our SAVIOR when applied to passages where CHRIST is speaking about who HE died for and who HE draws and who HE offers salvation to .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Well, you have a complete misunderstanding of Calvinism. It's not as though you give Christianity a shot in hopes you are elect. Each and every person who believes on Christ truly is elect and was predestinated by God. John 6:44 - "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." Ephesians 1:4-5 - "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." Romans 8:30 - "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." And there plenty other verses
@@fireflames3639 calvinism isn't christianity in that sense my friend and I most certainly understand calvinism but it seems you don't have a clue by your response .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 I didn't say Calvinism was Christianity. You don't have to believe it to be saved. It seems as though you are mad I gave verses and now you are using as hominems.
David livingstone only had one convert in his years of evangelism!
Since the guys …” making fun of the issue…” isn’t he ordained to do just that & has no choice to do other wise..??
Piper has got to be one of the biggest freaks for Calvinism. He'd "curb anyone's enthusiasm" not to receive their Salvation.
so a person ends up in hell bc God refused to elect& choose him for heaven… it’s not bc they will not come to Christ…Jn5:39,40… it’s bc they were not elected to do so… oh B/4 the foundation of the world… of course… how silly of me..
I still don't get it, after watching this video, why do Calvinists bother to evangelize?
As an Arminian Christian I feel I have a duty to evangelize, as by doing so I can increase the number of those who are saved in eternity.
Calvinists believe that this number of those who are saved in eternity (which they call "the elect") has been set from the beginning of time, ergo, it cannot be increased. So why would Calvinists bother to make effort to evangelize? May as well just lie on the sofa watching Netflix, as when there is someone you are predestined to evangelize, there's nothing you can do that would stop that from happening.
adburltv- It's simple! Because God commands us to! It's the means that God uses to bring in his Elect/Sheep. We declare the gospel and then God does the work and regenerates the believers heart to BELIEVE. See John 6:28-29, John 6:37-40, John 10:25-29,John 17:2
I won't say it is not needed as @teemu1381 told us one aspect why we have to do evangelism, but certainly Calvinism's tulip soteriology doesn't have enough biblical support. Although we cannot say it is a heretical though but still will hinder some of real reasons and put down the enthusiasm of evangelism and global mission. It is just like the elder member say the same thing to William Carey. God doesn't need our enthuses to share the gospel, because I will do it and those I have worked on him, will not be able to resist.
but rather Arminian soteriology, like today's some Wesleyan and Baptist church also has their problem with eternal security on salvation which has problem with God's guarantee He will keep us from gospel of John and other books. True that some people are not believed from the beginning and not save, but many believers are once believe and then got weak or frustrated, then leave the church and never come back. Some of them don't even admit that he is a believer anymore, are they still save? If not, then either they have never regenerate, or God cannot keep His promise to keep them from eternal punishment. So, deeds are always needed to proof that you are saved. It is actually the same in Calvinism soteriology.
Man i feel the same way after leaving the Catholic church and looking for a non-denominational church i didn't even know people believed in such things. Sounds an awful lot like Jehovah's Witness to me!!!
I wish John Piper said it simpler, because Jesus commanded us so. But what he was getting is that God not only ordained the salvation of the one He elected, but also the MEANs by which said person is saved, which is through the preaching of the gospel. That's why Calvinists DO bother to evangelize because the only way a person will be saved is through the preaching of the gospel and nothing else.
And because we know that it is God who saves, it was God who elects, we can share the gospel knowing full well that God will do His work, no matter how well or bad we present the gospel to the person. And it's amazing to share the gospel as a Calvinist because the burden is not on me to save them, I just gotta be faithful to God's word and God will do the rest, in other words, I got guaranteed success that God's will be done no matter the outcome. Just like the parable of the sower where each seed falls, the sower(evangelist) throws the seed(gospel) to all types of ground(people) and each ground has been prepared beforehand(by God) to accept or reject the seed.
If anything I pity the Arminian because the final decision lies to the man which means you gotta present a gospel that's reasonable to the person and the burden falls on you to do it right. Which leads to discouragement and pragmatism and trying to add philosophy to the gospel and have bad theologians like William Lane Craig who says "first you gotta prove to the person that a god exists" "Then! you can try to prove to them that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah" and so on and so forth. Biblically you just preach the gospel and that's it for it is the power of God onto salvation like Romans 1:16 says.
Are calvinists saved when calvin-ism is a false gospel?
If God decides ALL things, as John says, we have ZERO free will, and are robots - our actions are just Gods, and our intentions are meaningless.
"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people[a] should be kept alive, as they are today." Genesis 50:20
What brothers did, did out of their own will. AND it was planned by God to happen before the foundation of the world.
Here's the answer for you (since I have a friend who asked the exaxt same thing).
First, We need to believe that God made all humans and that we are his jars of clay... His vessel to be used.
On the account of when pharaoh's heart is hardened by God to let the Israelites go (Genesis) ... Please read Romans 9:15-20.
God... Our sovereign God... Will have mercy to whom he has mercy...and compassion as he has compassion, As he pleases. If one intelligence thinks about this... It's unfair, doesnt make sense that God made Pharaoh's heart hardened. He must not have free will and controlled by God then even though he's seen all those plagues as clear signs of God's powers.
We may think then: "God must loved pharaoh as well, pharaoh is His creation and wanted everyone saves. Because that means that pharaoh's just a puppet... a robot.
Then it goes... So then it depends Not on human will or exertion, but on God who has mercy.
So, if you read carefully along... Regarding the non-free will/hardening heart of pharaoh, as God gives mercy as He wills, He will also hardened hearts as He wills.
Who can resist His will?
Who are you o man to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its maker "why you made me this way?"
Then pursue this train of thought further if your heart has been compelled by God to find out more: Romans 9:19... Romans 9:20-21...Ezekiel 36:26-27...Hebrews 6:1...Ephesians 1:17-18.
I pray that these will bring clarity to your question as to whether we have free will to eat an apple right now, or not wanting to let go of our intellectual doctrines of theology and know that God is in control since He is God. Amen.
If God ordained or decreed all things that come to pass, then whatever you do is ordained or decreed by God. So, just live your lives.. love, heal, hate, murder… it doesn’t matter it’s all preordained. Just do whatever… or this heresy is wrong and we do have choices ( non compatibillistic choices).
Based on your theology. Then people got divorced. Which is against Scripture. If God chose and decided each selected person for salvation. Based on this thinking. God chose that divorced people to get divorced. See the flaw in the Calvinism think.
"I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things." Isa 45:7
"Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the LORD that will stand." Prov. 19:21
"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." Gen 50:20
Yes, God did decide that that couple would get divorced, AND at the same time, they went against God's commanding will and sinned against Him. God ordained it, God planned it, God was in control of it, AND those two couples wanted to do it. In their own hearts wanted a divorce and did so our of the ambition of their own hearts and are responsible for their sin, not God.
Now that may not logically make sense in OUR minds, but who are we gonna listen to, our rationality or God's words? Just because it doesn't make sense ergo that's not what the text means? I don't think so. And neither can we say that's unfair because we're the creature and God is the creature, by what standard do we accuse God of doing what He wants with his creation? (Paul addresses this issue in Romans 9 btw)
Jn. 6:28,29 alone refutes his bs…” what must…WE….DO… that we might work the works of God…”& Jesus answered & said…” this is the work of God… that… YOU… BELIEVE…IN…ME…WHOM…. HE….HAS…SENT…” Our Lord never said…” hold on to ya hats… I gotta ck, w/ the father to see if you, ve been elected/ chosen to believe or not… in Jn. 5:39,40 Jesus says…” you…WILL….NOT…come to me that you might have life…” Question…?? How do ya…”WIL….NOT…” if ya have no…WILL… To…” WILL…NOT…” with …????
What about 2 Peter 3:9, NIV: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." This verse tells us very clearly that God wants to save everyone, but we know that not everyone gets save, why? Because people have the free will to reject God. To reject something is a decision, if you can reject something you can accept it too, aka free will.
The problem with free will in salvation is this: what about those who died & never heard the gospel? They couldn't even use their so called free will to receive by faith or reject the gospel. Free will presupposes that all humans have an equal opportunity & capability to respond to the gospel where in reality we don't.
@@universegroove Yeah but that's just a very specific case that the Bible doesn't address. We know that God is good and holy, so we can assume he will properly judge those people.
@@tommysurielSo what's the point to evangelize at all if God can properly judge everyone (and, I assume from your statement, you meant not only judgement for eternal hell but for an endless life with Him) even without hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
2peter3v9 in kjv mentions usward meaning the elect
It's not his will that any of the elect will perish but all brought
To repentance
Modern versions weaken the doctrine of election and the deity of Christ!
@@universegroovehow does free will presuppose that all humans have an equal opportunity?
It's strange how Calvinists get so much hate from so called "christians" for believing in what the bible clearly and unmistakably says and teaches. I wonder why is that.
Decreed by God…. What else can it be.
It's not hatred towards Calvinists. But the time is long overdue that the heresies from these Calvinists are identified and called out. This garbage has gone on for too long now that it's become accepted.
He’s saying something God didn’t say..
There is a smugness from these two that is disquieting.
My God this guys loony toons…” bubbles in a glass…” who,s counting the…” bubbles in his head…? & did God put those…” bubbles… in his head..?
Ha ha “ I love… clarity…” what a joke… on Christiandom…& for well over 400 yrs now w/ no end in sight…
& all the trained seals went arf… arf… arf… for his “ means $ method …” bs
This argument about God’s total sovereignty it’s one that does not put God in a good light, because God has to decree everything in order to His will be accomplished. I believe that the Bible (The Word of God) portrays a much sovereingh God than that, that God created beings (angels and Humans) with will to choose, and despite of what their choise, God will still fulfill His plan of salvation.
That is a much more sovereingh God to me.
Imagine that God will play chess with you and in order to win, He has to decree you to loose. That is a weak God.
And it’s all fun and games to joke about God decree of where the bootle on the table would be, but change the exemple with the bootle with rapeing of a 3 year of girl and sexually exploit her and sell her 10 times a day, or impregnanting of african womens for the purpose of harvesting organs from their baby’s, not fun anymore ay Jhonny boy?
Peace to everybody, and discernement.👌🏻
One would think that Piper that would be smart enough not to be in the false belief system of calvinism.
Piper the false teacher.
The other guy asking the question has a problem. Keep shut and let him answer. Stop being disruptive.
Little Andrew the other guy answering him with Mark Devor pastor of capital Hill Baptist Church Washington DC and is one of the top figures in evangelicalism today and is highly highly respected
Stop being disruptive? If you are buying into what John is saying then the disruption was also decreed by God from eternity past. And so is your objection to this comment.
The Blood and dead of Christ is Sufficient for the Sins of the whole world of all times. However He died efficacious for His Own.
What an awful belief.
@@zachm.6572 The question is not if you like it or find it Awful. The question and Answer is that Our Lord God does what He wants and He alone knows the outcome of all things All years together is for Him the same as one day. Here it is.
Matthew 10: 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from YOUR FATHER’S WILL. Leighton and other Palagianist will tell you it is the bird’s fault. But what about the greatest catastrophic event? Was God not in control of that?
Matthew 10:34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. After God created all things and God saw that it was good [perfect] God planted a tree: “The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and EVIL.” Men did not know about evil but God did.
Blasphemers are those that deny the Sovereignty of God. Iblīs was an Angel he was cast out of heaven because he argued with God why He created men who He made out of clay in His own Image with so much Glory. He said with more other angels to God: "You created them from clay and us from Fire why are we servants." we should receive more glory than they. God’s anger arose and Fire came from His Nostrils. The anger of God was never seen before. Michael and the angels on God’s side started war and threw Iblīs and his followers out of Heaven. Due to his fall from God's grace and jealousy he went to the earth to Paradise and deceived Adam and Eve to hurt God in the Crown of His creation. Iblis is often identified with Al-Shaitan ("the Devil"). It is a story you find in the Quran but is much much older than the Quran. from older manuscripts. The name Iblīs is derived from Ancient Greek διάβολος (diábolos)
There was no Devil on day 6 when God saw that all he made was GOOD.
If God did ?? not predetermine things???? God The Creator of Heaven and Earth could have thrown Iblīs In hell in the outer darkness or even destroy/ Annihilate him completely. But no God let him go to the earth take upon himself the form of a snake and deceive Eva and then Adam by his own wife, God gave him. Did God just only know that it would happen? God already had a plan of salvation and that Christ our Lord would come and die for the sins of the world. The plan was not optional it was determent. God prevented them to eat from the tree of life and live.
Joseph went to see his Brothers. What happened they were jealous of him being his dad’s favored kid. We know what happened he was sold as a slave to Egypt. He becomes the slave of Potiphar. His wife want Joseph in her bed. Joseph refusal end him up in jail where he reveals a dream and because of it he was called by pharaoh who also had a dream. He became the second ruler in Egypt. When his brothers came because of hunger in the world. Was God in Control of that? Joseph tells his brothers Genesis 45:5 But don’t be upset. And don’t be angry with yourselves because you sold me here. God sent me ahead of you to SAVE MANY LIVES. 6 For two years now, there hasn’t been enough food in the land. It was God’s plan even the drought God could have given rain. God knew that the drought would force Jacob and Joseph's brothers to Egypt and made Joseph go ahead of them. It's clear this was the plan of God! Jacob went to Egypt to move there and see Joseph again. God did NOT tell Jacob to start a mission post in Egypt. Did they not need the faith of Jacob if God wants them Saved? But instead God gave them their own territory the land of Goshen separated from the Egyptians. The Israelites became Slaves for 400 years. This the Lord already told Abraham It was not an option it was determent and instead of doing mission they started to serve the Idols of the Egyptians. God made pharaoh affright for the Israelites [or was it not God Who controlled even the tiniest thought of the Pharaoh if He can Harden his heart?] He started to kill every boy born to the Israelites. Because of it Moses ended up with the princes of Egypt and could have all the riches of Egypt but: Hebrews 11:24 By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, You get it God was in control of the weather and could have given rain so Joseph’s brothers would not have gone to Egypt. Pharaoh’s heart would not have been hardened and all first born in Egypt who did not know the left from the right hand not have died. All the calamities in the desert would not have happened. From the almost 2 Million people that left Egypt non entered the promised land. What about all the first born in Egypt who died because God hardened the heart of Pharaoh. All the army of pharaoh drowned in the red sea without the Gospel. And the order of the Lord to kill each other after worship of the Golden Calf. 3,000 were killed by sword instead of a temporary punishment to give them time to repent and being forgiven. This worship was because they went to Egypt were they learned serving Idol gods. Was that a good reason for God to let them kill each other? Or did God not have to give an account to anyone for what He does? according to you God was wrong.
Daniel 4: 34 At the end of the days I, Nebuchadnezzar, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High, and praised and honored him who lives forever, for his dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom endures from generation to generation; 35 all the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, and he does according to his will among the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand or say to him, “What have you done?”
Just a period of drought created all this and Joseph being sold to Egypt.
If God is Confused then Kevin Leighton and the other Palagians or semi Palagians are Right. If God is the All Glorious Lord Creator and the Alpha and the Omega the Begin of all things and the Ruler of all the earth and Do whatever him pleases. Better remember what Happened to Iblīs I say Iblīs and not Lucifer because that is the King Of Babylon and a wrong translation of the word Morning Star. While all is translated in English it is left in Latin. This is why the Mormons say that Jesus is the Brother of Lucifer.
Revelation 20: 1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more.
Why now release Satan to deceive the nations? Did God just know? Where does it say that?
Revelation 20:7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan WILL BE released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. “WILL BE” means it will happen BECAUSE of God’s Decree
This lifetime is short and Hell is forever. Would you rather be presumptuous and not find out the truth.
…Then the righteous will answer him, saying, “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?” And the King will answer them, “Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.” (Matthew 25:37-40) those being Saved by grace did not know that what they did pleased God.
Rattling off scripture is unlikely to convert any Arminians to Calvinism and vice versa.
Christ’s death was absolutely necessary in God’s plan but, according to the Bible, it is not what saved us. If Jesus died and was left on the cross and turned to dust or turned to dust in the tomb we would still be in our sins (1 Cor 15:17). But because he rose from the dead we are saved (Rom 5:9-10)
John Piper speaks nonsense, very crazy! God did NOT predestined sin..etc.
All wrong headed !!!!!!
Do you believe john 3:16& SEVENTEEN !!
My brother just continue reading until John 3:19-20 and there you will find the answer men does not come to the light how can they freely choose? if they want darkness rather than the light. It is the grace of God that cause a man to be born again so he can have faith to be save. Now tell me who is wrong? Everyone is wrong or in sin is your choosing cause you to brag to God? Its all by His grace .
MrDEXTRE13 - Matthew 5:16 .
@@kevinbarton1661 just consider this two verses also. John 3:27, James 1 17, 1Corinthians 4:7. :)
Kevin Barton I agree with you brother. God’s grace extends to my brother as well as me.
28 Then Agrippa said to Paul, “Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?”29 Paul replied, “Short time or long-I pray to God that not only you but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains.”
Acts 26:28-29 | NIV
I think the Calvinist view of Christianity is more honest to what the Bible says... But it is absurd... People need to remember the Bible was written by man, it's not a given that It is literally true...
You are so wrong. May God forgive you for blaspheming His word.
You are indeed right that the Bible, the papyrus was written by Men as close to the original historical accounts back then. Jesus couldn't have written by himself as a testimony/witness since we were instructed to Go and make disciples to all. So, would one even believe a book that a guy wrote 2000 years who claimed he was the Son of God, and that He is God? I think we'd be more skeptical about a crazy book claiming someone's God.
So, the apostles were compelled to write all their memories and understanding about what happened so the next generation and the next won't forget, hence we now heard about Jesus.
We believe because of the written words by men, breathed out by the truth of God about what happened. Is the word of God.
If you are still unsure, with a humble heart... you can ask God to talk to you, if He wills it.
Hope this bring a little bit of hopeful clarity for you.
Calvin was a tradition of men, God defying Sunday keeper, graven image user, reformer within the already traditionalist realm of Catholics, and Lutherans. No reverence or credibility is worthy of deliberate defiers of God's holy spiritual law.
Thus: Calvinism smalvanism.
Calvinism is not only anti-mission, it's anti-Christ because it says we're saved by election and not by faith in Christ.
So let me provide a proper understanding... those the Father foreknew are known to Him as Israel, and the Father predestined all of Israel to be saved.
Want to be a part of the Father's people known to Him as Israel, read Romans 11:11-32
No, we're saved by grace(a gift) which was given to us BY God. Now to whom did God give this gift to? To his elect. That's not anti-Christ?
@@Niko-zg6uqyou failed to continue with the verse which says: " we're saved by grace through FAITH, not election or some other random selection process. Those who plant The Word that comes from the Father in their heart are given the "gift", which is Immanuel.
@@tommorrow2627 How are they supposed to do that if the heart is only evil continually?
@@aaronpaulk we do that by dying to ourselves and our fear of death, which is the fear of being separated from the world, so we can live in the newness of a life in Christ and a fear of the Lord, which os the fear of being separated from Him.
@@tommorrow2627 Let me ask you this, is it a possibility that Jesus could have saved no one?