The reason why the arctic hadrosaur wasn't specifically named might be because it was initially Edmontosaurus than it became Ugrunaaluk and now it's Edmontosaurus again, and maybe they wanted to leave it open just in case this matter is not completely resolved. That's my guess atleast.
That's also what I thought, the identity of the Alaskan hadrosaur is still being debated so to prevent the documentary from potentially becoming outdated in that regard, they left its genus intentionally vague.
Yeah I'm not personally bothered by the non-specific names because so far most of them can be attributed to either the animal having especially fragmentary remains or to taxonomic ambiguity.
I’m really loving this series so far. You can tell the people behind this documentary really do know a lot about dinosaurs. I wasn’t expecting to see the Ornithomimus and the Nanuqsaurus stole the show. Really just animals doing everything they can to survive. It felt great.
that a lot of the Dinosaurs are red in colour could make actually sense cause birds are dinosaurs and birds actually can see the colour red pretty good compared to most other colours and when we compare it to modern animals in general Red is quite often used to warn or attract
The bit with swarms of mosquitos was definitely inspired by what can happen to caribou in Arctic summers. There will be so many mosquitos the caribou can lose pints of blood a day and some will straight up die from anemia.
On the case of the dromaeosaur tail feathers, I think Microraptor had two elongated feathers on the end of its tail that extended beyond the rest of the tail fan.
Was not expecting the ornithomimus and I adored them. This episode may be my favourite thus far. Really just animals doing everything they can to survive. Felt great. The troodontid scene. She's stunning, and somewhat spooky. Love how it's doing something intelligent, buuut not some crow like or ape like or human like thing we see in sillier docs. But here it's doing something modern hawks do. Oh and yeah, the segments felt more fulfilling and complete this episode. I think one thing with this show is to watch twice. Really take it all in.
Not sure how them acting as crows, apes, or humans is silly. We know humans have underestimated other animals intelligence for a long time because of arrogance.
Now this episode was absolutely phenomenal! While I did enjoy the previous episode, it was basically filler, LOL, while this episode was simply incredible. None of the segments felt rushed, except maybe the Troodontid segment but only because it ended abruptly, but maybe that's just me. Anywho, all the creatures looked amazing, and seeing Ornithomimus was a welcome suprise, especially cuz it wasn't comfirmed before, I love their design, it has a balance between being realistic and being cute in the goofiest way possible, LOL, they remind me of ratites. The Nanuq vs. Pachyrhino segment was breathtaking and amazing, and speaking of the Troodontid I mentioned earlier, I love how it used fire to hunt, sounds crazy but several raptors today really do exactly that, they even intentionally spread fires to flush prey, like the Troodontid does in the program. Overall it was an excellent episode and I'm hyped for tomorrow's episode, it's definitely gonna be incredible.
This episode was phenomenal; I genuinely loved all the color palettes for all the species. The iridescent purple-blue on the backs and tail fans of the dromaeosaurs, the patterns on the hadrosaurs, the coloration of the Pachyrhinosaur frills, the secretary bird- esque look of the troodontid, and the African grey parrot colored Ornithomimus. The last one being a welcome surprise since it wasn’t seen or mentioned in any promotional material. All of the segments were quite entertaining. Still pulling for an Ankylosaurus or pachycephalosaur in the final episode.
I agree, those Ornithomimus sure were a suprise, but a welcome one, I love how they look, they look really goofy, but in a realistic way, the mohawks may seem cartoony but there's plenty of birds with ridiculous head crests and/or feather tufts out there and they still look beautiful. I also liked how they showed behaviors Ornithomimids usually aren't seen doing in media, normally when they appear they're either running or getting killed by something so seeing ostrich dinosaurs being given protagonism like this is refreshing.
@@Dragonstorm62190 there is a particularly striking similarity between Troodontid and pachycephalosaur teeth. And if I recall correctly, the original fossil teeth assigned to Troodon turned out to be those of a pachycephalosaur (Stegoceras?). More skeletal material that was found of this particular type of dinosaur was referred to as Stenonychosaurus, and that name took priority because of it’s substantiation in scientific literature, as well as more complete fossil remains. And in 2017, more fossils belonging to this particular “kind” of dinosaur, were found distinguishable enough to be classified within a new genus, Latenivenatrix.
@@rivermitchem293 Pachycephalosaurid teeth are more similar to that of Thescelosaurus. The premaxillary teeth of Pachys are only vaguely similar to Troodontid teeth. Troodontid teeth are more distinct and clearly theropod in nature. The Troodon holotype is indeed a Troodontid tooth, the only issue is that it isn't diagnostic to a specific genus and a lot of Troodontids have similar, if not identical teeth. Which is the issue with tooth taxa. Paronychodon is in a ambiguous spot as well as it is likely the preening teeth (used to clean feathers) of either Dromaeosaurids or Troodontid. I believe both Saurornitholestes and Velociraptor have Paronychodon-like teeth. Richardoestesia is also a weird one.
My favourite episode so far also. I think one strength this one had, as well as more time taken with the segments is that everything felt a lot more narratively linked. Although it moved from location to location, it followed a chronologically progression of spring-summer-autumn-winter. Reminded me a bit of the WWD episode Spirits of the Ice Forest in some scenes, to the point that I would have really liked the phrase, 'the long twilight begins' to take place right after the Antarctopelta sequence. What we got though was a nice piece of sombre music as the snow began, and it honestly had about the same effect. I see your ceratopsian love, and I raise my hadrosaur love. Young hadrosaurs are the cutest dinosaurs around, so there. Also, that panicking young Edmontosaurus in the stream-crossing sequence made such heartbreaking noises that, had the adorable Olorotitan baby made the same one when getting mosquito-swarmed, my heart might have fallen out of my chest and burst into seventeen thousand messy pieces all over my floor. The Ornithomimus sequence was fun and creative, the Olorotitan segment was really well-written, as was the troodontid bit - I wouldn't have minded seeing more Antarctic dinosaurs - fluffy ornithopods like Trinisaura, or the big old Imperobator (although given that's quite fragmentary, I do understood why not, and honestly, what we got is fine. No complaints about the final sequence either, although the Pachyrhinosaurus quills make me want to encourage them to shave better. Anyway - really looking forward to the final episode, I hope, on top of everything else we're promised, we get to see more mammals.
I'd like to point out that during mating seasons or seasonal events like salmon migration animals who would otherwise be completely solitary get together, sometimes in surprisingly large groups. Say one would uncover tracks of a dozen of grizzly bears from one place. Saying that grizzly bears live and hunt in packs based just on that would be simply wrong, because it clearly is not true at all in reality. However, they do meet and tolerate each other when salmon migrate. So, theropods living and hunting in groups? Certainly possible and even likely, but I would be very careful with such conclusions. 3 sets of tyrannosaurus tracks next to each other or a find of bones from more than one individual at one place actually prove only very little.
Re: pack hunting theropods, it should be noted that pack hunting (and I mean genuinely coordinated group attacks) is more common outside of mammals (and rarer in mammals) than often thought. Furthermore, genuine cooperative hunting is even known in animals that fight over food or do not live in family groups (including some cooperatively hunting mammals). However, most cooperative hunters (mammalian or otherwise) do so in aquatic settings. IMO cooperative hunting in theropods was variable-pretty much all of them were theoretically capable of it, and some theropods probably did do it at least part of the time, but it would be the minority in the same way it’s rare in mammals. There wouldn’t really be a taxonomic divide between solitary and cooperatively hunting species; things would be much more dependent on the scenario.
Agreed. Personally I consider species like velociraptor to make less sense because they were mainly going after smaller prey. Though the way its shown in this show does work. The 3 in the 3 episode I picture as siblings, like what you see with Cheetahs and some birds of prey I think and the ones in the second might have been a mated pair or siblings again. The tyrannosaurs is more speculative, but I guess they were more like a mob and less like a pack of wolves or lions. And again 3 isnt exactly like them, with wolf packs getting to 20 members.
@@flightlesslord2688 Actually, the episode 3 Velociraptors may have just been temporarily grouped up and not an actual pack as the female just bailed as soon as she got her food.
It's cool the Ornithomimus has a Kirito hair. I was right. It is Aincrad ruled by dinosaurs 45 million years ago. Even we see Cassandra Lee Morris talking about the Nanuqsaurus and shows us the skeleton of it.
I was confused on whether that Dromeosaur at the start was a generic Dromeosaur or just literally a Dromeosaurus, which apparently were found in Alberta, Canada in the late Cretaceous. That makes it only a modest time/space traveler. I got nothing on why the Edmontosaurus was just a Hadrosaur. While I have no beef with the generic Troodontid given the state of that group’s naming, the lack of names in this one was really frustrating.
The identity of the Arctic hadrosaur is still being debated, first it was Edmontosaurus, then it was Ugruunaluk, now it's Edmontosaurus again but it's still argued that maybe it's Ugruunaluk after all, so to prevent the documentary from potentionally becoming outdated in that regard, they left the genus of the hadrosaur intentionally vague. Also I'm pretty sure the raptors are Dromaeosaurus itself.
@@cintronproductions9430 I believe that is correct; while most people are familiar with the Campanian Dromaeosaurus from places like Judith River Formation, Dromaeosaurus, or at least cf. Dromaeosaurus did persist to the lower Maastrichtian in the Prince Creek Formation. I believe it's teeth only though. But the teeth of Dromaeosaurus are quite easy to recognize as the twist on mesial carinae is very exaggerated, and sometimes lack serrations. Compared to cf. Saurornitholestes which has a distinct hooked serrations. In contrast, Upper Maastrichtian dromaeosaurids from Hell Creek / Lance like Acheroraptor and Dakotaraptor do not have the mesial twist, and only go half way to base, the former also having diagnostic longitudinal ridges.
@@lincolnb2244 If it was Horseshoe Canyon, I'd imagine they would name them considering they are mostly all described. In contrast, the Prince Creek fauna is largely indet. (indeterminate) or cf. (comparable to) and haven't been properly described yet.
@@ethans8296 I know, I'm trying to figure out exactly which one was the one on the show but there's still a lot of debate about which dinosaurs are troodontids
I 100% agree when troodon appeared I started tearing up she is absolutely gorgeous. And they did her justice by exemplifying their potentially grand intelligence
Just finished this one, and its probably my favorite so far. The only issues I took with it was the Arsonist Troodont, though Im aware for the Fire-Bird of Australia whos name has escaped me, and the Edmontosaurus* seeming to be reused across the episode. The Last segment felt a bit Awesome-Bro, but it reminds me a lot of the videos of Wolves hunting Bison in yellowstone, which are some of my favorite Animal based vids on the internet. Lets finish off strong tomorrow! (I want to see Carno-Arm-Wiggles)
You're thinking of Fire Hawks, which are not one species but three (in Australia). This behavior has a long history in human oral tradition and urban legends, but until 2015 or so hadn't been properly documented. There are also raptors in East Asia, Africa and supposedly one in South America that are rumoured to display similar behavior. Of course, it's impossible to say if dinosaurs would have engaged in such behaviors, though it's likely at least a few would happily head towards fires, knowing looking for a good meal. It's a behavior seen in mammals, birds, and reptiles today, so it's not hard to believe dinosaurs would also engage in this behavior.
You know what I do to make Prehistoric Planet seem more realistic than it already looks forget the fact that it's CGI and compare it to Planet Earth and it's like WOW!.
I love how the feathered creatures are almost always patterned after birds. The T-rex babies look like quail chicks, of course the Mononykus a barn owl (maybe too barn owl for my taste, and I love barn owls). The Troodontid looks Shrike-like and the Nanuqsaurus'...maybe toned down zebra finches? Dunno, if anyone else has an idea I'd like to hear it. Very very paleo art inspired and I love that. I could go on about all the others as well
Loved this episode, I don't really care for all the pterosaur stuff but I get it cuz they're mostly thought of as being less advanced than dinosaurs (also every pterosaur is a pterodactyl to most people)
This feels like it's what deserts was supposed to be IMO. While not as good as freshwater was, this episode still is pretty great (I'd say second best next to Freshwater). The pacing was great and the more mellow scenes and active scenes were perfectly distributed. One last thing to note was I am glad that there was a scene not shown in the trailers (the ornithomimus scene) and I would even say this has to be my favorite segment of the series so far. overall ice worlds was a good episode
see I agree with what you mean that this is what deserts shouldve been, but at the same time, I think freshwater is the episode with the most mixed bag. The rex, quetzalocoatlus and raptor segments are perfect, but the masiakosaurus, deinocheirus and elasmosaur segments I felt all needed just a little something extra. The masiakosaurus segment would have been perfect if beelzebufo wasnt in a trailer.
I'm surprised they didn't consider and play with the possibility that Nanuqsaurus acually changed coats and colors with the seasons. In the amazing dino world series it is depicted as fully white with a black and silvered face in winter. Here they depict it still in summer colors of brown, orange, and red. Why would it be outside the realm possibility for Nanuqsaurus to change its feathers and coat color with the seasons like the arctic fox?
I could be mistaken, but with more birds, isn't seasonal plumage more tied to breeding seasons than camouflage/coat thickness? Which isn't to say that those aspects don't play any role at all - typically, during none mating seasons the plumage tends to be more dull and less flashy as to help them better blend in. I believe the difference is basically that animals like the arctic hate change coats in order to continue to blend in with their surroundings, while birds tend to have a more deer-like strategy (antlers don't really help when it comes to hide and seek, after all.) Seeing as it's highly feathered, it would be reasonable to assume that Nanuqsaurus molted and, like plenty of birds, had alternate coats depending on the seasonal molt. However, it seems more likely that one of these was more brightly colored to help attract mates rather than both being mainly for camouflage. Though it's certainly not impossible.
@@Gildedmuse Thank you. I feel very much the same that both sexes molt in spring for summer colored coats and males having brighter reder colors for mating. Then when Autumn comes around they would grow white feathers. The females would then lay their eggs as soon as the began melting. So that the young would reach the size and weight they needed to make it through their first winter. For artic animals, specifically land based predators, this strategy works. Thank you for your input.
I liked this episode. Although I suppose we'd like that the camera view wasn't 100 feet in the air at the very end when we see the pack hunting nanuqsaurus catch their quarry.
Definelity one of my favorite episodes so far, the enviroments were so beatiful and i loved that we got to spend more time with each dinosaur. I don't think the Trodon starting fires is that weird, black kites spread fires all the time My only dissapointment was that we didn't get to see Cryolophosaurus in the Antarctic segment, it would be've been so cool
okay so the series of Prehistoric planet takes place specifically on the later cretacoeus period, that's why we see pachyrhinosaursus, nanuqsaurus, arctic troodon etc. Cryolophosaurus was from the early-mid Jurassic period of antartica, so sadly their exclusion was guaranteed. i would love however if they shown Leaellynasaura and Australovenator. i mean in the southern polar part of the episode we already have Antarctopelta and a hadrosaur which i probably assume to be muttaburasaurus (even though its a iguanodontid and not a hadrosaur)
Still think Deserts is the best episode so far, but this is a very close 2nd for me. We saw so little of it advertised in trailers that alot of things were a nice surprise, like the Pachyrhinosaurus quills, Ornithomimus, the Wildfire Segment, etc
In regards to your first point, the lack of material is largely due to a very limited amount of people digging. If you have first hand experience with fossil hunting for dinosaurs, you'll find out quickly that you're mostly going to find isolated bits like bone fragments, teeth, and if your lucky, a claw. Dromaeosaurids and other bird-like dinosaurs have notoriously bad preservation as well as they are hollow boned, which is why birds have a pretty bad fossil record as well. Extensively researched places like Hell Creek/Lance, England, or Morocco have a lot of non-professional diggers like commercial hunters or mining companies digging up a lot of material that is often one of the biggest sources for new specimens and holotypes such as Acheroraptor from Hell Creek. Even in places like China that ban export, paleontologists rely on and buy from local farmers and hunters to dig up specimens.
those display feathers on the tails are present in non avian dinosaurs,specifically wulong and zhongjianosaurus,both of which are microraptorine dromaeosaurs
@@joschuaknuppe5849 ya, but it did live with the Alaskan Troodon, and I mostly believe that troodontid segment takes place in alaska, so it would make sense, it could be another mammal though
@@ExtremeMadnessX There is a lot of oral tradition involving this behavior in East Asia and Africa as well, and I believe there is even rumours of a bird in South American with a similar tactic. It wouldn't be worth mentioning, except that up until 2015, the Fire Hawks of Australia were thought of as myths/legends.
I don't know how you manage to get these detailed analyses made so quickly after the episodes, I'd barely know where to start. The lack of identification of certain dinosaurs might be because of WWD syndrome, where some of the animals (one of the "Iguanodons" now being considered Mantellisaurus, Anatotitan not another Edmontosaurus species, Megarachne turning out NOT to be a giant spider etc) they just didn't want to risk obsolescence so quickly, at the cost of being precise with the dinosaur names. I would've just gone with names myself: it's inevitable that as more discoveries are made, we'll be looking back on even this in 10 or 20 years & thing "lol, imagining thinking we thought X did this/y looked like that". Embrace the temporality of palaeontology!
Actually, in a lot of cases, the modern science is that it is in fact nameless and indeterminate. At least some of them can be identified to a family or clade even with just isolated teeth and such. Putting a name on it when it doesn't have one is unscientific, and in both paleontology and among fossil collectors, such labeling is frowned upon. Embrace the indet. (indeterminate).
My only complaint in this episode is that the Pachy went down a little too quickly, I understand it was exhausted but if they spent a few more seconds of the Nanuqu pack harrassing it and getting in more bites I would have been satisfied. I DON'T want the scene to be the stomp and roar type battle but if they could have drawn out the Pachy going down fighting and collapsing due to many little injuries, It just felt rushed which may be natural anyways. Still the episode is a 10/10 for me
You aren’t alone. They had to have used references of real hunts in such conditions. Closest analogy is wolves hunting a bison or wisent in the tundra. Issue is, wolves don’t immediately go for the kill, instead like you said wear it down, and then start to eat it alive. Tyrannosaurs however have different jaws, so likely wouldn’t hunt like wolves, so I guess it’s more like a bear family hunting a bison, in which case it can end much quicker.
idk I mean the thing was super tired from runnning away and it was an old male, plus there were 3 of them so in this case it going down quicker makes sense to me
This has probably been one of my favourite documentary series in years. That being said, I do think they hamstrung themselves slightly by just showing life on Earth 66 million years ago. It means you get animals like the Velociraptor which was extinct by that point. Like, it would have been easy enough to insert a little narration saying how long ago it was at the time of showing. That's honestly one of the strengths of previous docs. Other than that, 9/10.
One other thing i find kinde hard to believe in this episode, is that the large Hadrosaurus group started to panic, because of 3 Dromeosaurs, smaller then there own cubs. 1 or 2 aggressive bulls would have been probably enough to scare the Dromeosaurs, while the cubs hide in the back. At least i personally think.
Is there any chance that the dromaeosaur is an atrociraptor? All the species here would indicate Horseshoe Canyon formation: Ornithomimus, Edmontosaurus, the troodontid as Albertavenator, the mammal being Didelphodon, and the dromaeosaur as Atrociraptor.
No, since then it should have been Albertosaurus instead of Nanuqsaurus. Dromaeosaurus is cf. Dromaeosaurus. The rest are indet., sp., etc Horseshoe Canyon is well described so there shouldn't be any reason to keep names vague if it was.
@@paleozoic The part with the Nanuqsaurus and the Pachyrhinosaurus didn’t happen in the same place as the dromaeosaur though. That was Alaska in the Prince Creek Formation. There’s no reason it can’t be Horseshoe Canyon.
Maybe it is just me but this episode got me a bit ennoyed to be honest, and will stand still with the opinion that "Deserts" was most educative and well made in terms of visuals, cinematography and music. There is one MAJOR downside of this particular episode almost half of species mentioned weren't named! Uspecified "Hadrosaurs" (my bet for Edmontosaurus, but why wasn't named then?), "a dromeosaur" (no idea, but they were beauties) , "Troodontid" (Latenivenatrix? Again, I'd like to know, but oh well, no name, so I'll be left wondering what the animal trully isIF it even is a thing. Why did they go with tis animal really, since Troodontids are in such a shaky ground). And if someone who is into dinosaurs doesn't know, how avarage watcher can guess? It's not that I'm criticizing or hating, I love the show, but in first 3 episodes almost all species were specified, and ALL main ones were named. Here not at all. Also Ornithomimus design, just imo, is the least appealing - that weird hairstyle does not really fit there, but that'ss just my opinion, not the point of the comment. The point is, they really should have named the dinosaurs they show, or else they may appear as not actual species, almost imaginary creatures.
The first area is the Prince Creek formation where unfortunately we just don't have many species detailed. The Hadrosaur in particular has some serious debate about it.
I respect your opinion, but honestly not every dinosaur should look majestic, it's fine if some look goofy, LOL. Look at today's birds, some are majestic like eagles and falcons, while others are goofy-looking like pelicans and ostriches. XD
@@cintronproductions9430 honestly yeah youre right. But I think it just felt off in the feathering, I didnt like that random pink. I actually did laugh at its little mojack I found that amusing, but that pink set me off. There have been much better reconstructions of this animal in paleoart and I honestly think they couldve done a lot better.
I've been watching these as they come out, and honestly, my biggest criticism is that a lot of these scenarios that they're going with are just like, "what if dinosaur do thing modern animal does???" instead of looking at the fossils and then thinking about unique or otherwise interesting behaviors the animals may have engaged in. So far, Freshwater has been the best in terms of good speculation and I think Deserts has been the worst. Like, in this episode specifically we have the Troodon spreading fire like some species of modern hawks do, which is an extremely specific behavior to append to a dinosaur, especially when we have no fossil evidence that it actually participated in such behaviors. And then later, we have the nanuqsaurus hunting the herd of pachyrhinosaurus in the same exact way modern wolves hunt bison, instead of something more unique that takes into account their specific strengths and weaknesses as tyrannosaurs. At that point, why not just make a documentary about wolves? It feels kind of lazy for lack of a better word.
How are they hunting the pachyrhinosaurus in exact same way as wolves? How else could you do a pack of Tyrannosaurs hunting a herd of ceratopsians? I’m curious.
Many animals developed similar behavior or even looks though history, Tasmanian tiger looks exactly like wolf, American carnivore marsupials looked almost exactly like sabertooth cats, and behave similar. What we see as unique for mammals is just repeating similar behavior in dinosaurs and even synapsids before them. Convergent evolution is a thing.
@@bryceburns7425 In the documentary, the group chase down the pachyrhinosaurs over a long period of time in an exercise of endurance based off of stamina. This is a valid hunting strategy, and is plausible, but like I said, it in no way highlights their unique strengths and weaknesses as tyrannosaurs. Tyrannosaurs have skulls specifically evolved to absorb shock and produce a stronger bite, so why not make use of that by showing how those adaptations specifically help them when they hunt? Not only is something like that backed by fossil evidence, but it's also a more unique behavior. You might say "Oh, but isn't that what lions do?" and you'd be right, but at that point it'd just be convergent evolution based on evidence instead of pure speculation. Speculation is fine, but it needs evidence to back it up, and a lot of the speculation that Prehistoric Planet does is pretty flimsy.
@@ExtremeMadnessX The point is that we don't actually know how dinosaurs and synapsids and other extinct kinds of animals lived. We can make our best guesses from fossils, but just saying "modern animals do this and look sort of similar, so these animals must have behaved in the exact same way" is an unscientific way of approaching that question, especially when the documentary at no point says "all this is speculation". We don't have the luxury of looking at dinosaurs in the wild to make direct observations about their behavior, and therefore have no idea if they behaved similarly to modern animals at all. To just say "convergent evolution is a thing" and then slap a modern behavior on an animal that had a completely different body plan and lived in a completely different climate and ate completely different food and leave it at that is to excuse speculation that never calls itself speculation and uses only surface level fossil evidence to craft a scenario instead of looking at what made these animals interesting and uniquely adapted to handle their environments. And to point out the holes in your examples, Tasmanian tigers do not "look exactly like wolves," their proportions are only vaguely similar at best, with long bodies, short legs, and a differently proportioned face, and even though they looked vaguely similar to one another they behaved completely differently to wolves, preferring to hunt alone or in pairs as opposed to packs. The South American sabre-toothed marsupial you're talking about (Thylacosmilus) lived alongside Smilodon for about 500,000 years before they went extinct. They lived in a similar climate and hunted similar types of prey, so of course they look similar and have similar hunting adaptations, like how nightjars and insectivorous bats have similar body plans (large eyes, short and wide mouths, dark brown coloration, similar wing shapes) since they hunt insects at night. It's lazy, simple as that.
“This is a valid hunting strategy, but like I said, it in no way highlights there strengths and weaknesses as tyrannosaurs.” Actually, it does. Like modern birds, non-avian theropods would have had air sacs that would have helped them take in oxygen more efficiently. Not only that, being bipedal is also a useful endurance trait since two legs use less energy than four. Also why are lions your go to example for an animal with strong biteforce, and not spotted hyenas? They have the strongest biteforce of any mammal, and are also endurance predator too. Also, what are option is there other than endurance hunting? If they had made these nanuqsaurus into stealth or ambush hunters, you’d just start complaining about how they ripped off how modern cats hunt. Your standards create a lose lose situation for the people who make these documentaries.
This episode was fine. Not great. Not good. But not bad or terrible either. It was fine. The biggest complaint I have is that it has the most inaccuracies of the show. There is literally grass in this episode and Troodon is not a valid genus. The scenes were also too short. Perhaps the show can have a season 2.
Really? My issue with Desert episode was the segments were too short, and to lesser extent Freshwater. Currently the Masiakosaurus segment was my least favourite because we saw the 'twist' as it were in the trailers. And in deserts, the final segment with the hadrosaurs, and especially the watering hole segments felt like they shouldve looked at more behaviour.
I thought grass did evolve in the early Cretaceous, though? Obviously, it became more common in the Cenozoic, but I thought it certainly existed in the Cretaceous? Or is it restricted to Asian fossil deposits?
The reason why the arctic hadrosaur wasn't specifically named might be because it was initially Edmontosaurus than it became Ugrunaaluk and now it's Edmontosaurus again, and maybe they wanted to leave it open just in case this matter is not completely resolved. That's my guess atleast.
That's also what I thought, the identity of the Alaskan hadrosaur is still being debated so to prevent the documentary from potentially becoming outdated in that regard, they left its genus intentionally vague.
Yeah I'm not personally bothered by the non-specific names because so far most of them can be attributed to either the animal having especially fragmentary remains or to taxonomic ambiguity.
@Sout Is Cracked Yeah, because that scene took place in a region where the Edmontosaurus specimens haven't been under taxonomic dispute.
I do like that you're not just taking the episode at face value, but actually researched stuff like the birds spreading wildfire
Well well well… please do your own review on this series. I miss your videos.
can u review it
I’m really loving this series so far. You can tell the people behind this documentary really do know a lot about dinosaurs. I wasn’t expecting to see the Ornithomimus and the Nanuqsaurus stole the show. Really just animals doing everything they can to survive. It felt great.
that a lot of the Dinosaurs are red in colour could make actually sense
cause birds are dinosaurs
and birds actually can see the colour red pretty good compared to most other colours
and when we compare it to modern animals in general Red is quite often used to warn or attract
The bit with swarms of mosquitos was definitely inspired by what can happen to caribou in Arctic summers. There will be so many mosquitos the caribou can lose pints of blood a day and some will straight up die from anemia.
And they go uphill to escape the mosquitos.
On the case of the dromaeosaur tail feathers, I think Microraptor had two elongated feathers on the end of its tail that extended beyond the rest of the tail fan.
Was not expecting the ornithomimus and I adored them. This episode may be my favourite thus far. Really just animals doing everything they can to survive. Felt great.
The troodontid scene. She's stunning, and somewhat spooky. Love how it's doing something intelligent, buuut not some crow like or ape like or human like thing we see in sillier docs. But here it's doing something modern hawks do. Oh and yeah, the segments felt more fulfilling and complete this episode. I think one thing with this show is to watch twice. Really take it all in.
Not sure how them acting as crows, apes, or humans is silly. We know humans have underestimated other animals intelligence for a long time because of arrogance.
Now this episode was absolutely phenomenal! While I did enjoy the previous episode, it was basically filler, LOL, while this episode was simply incredible. None of the segments felt rushed, except maybe the Troodontid segment but only because it ended abruptly, but maybe that's just me. Anywho, all the creatures looked amazing, and seeing Ornithomimus was a welcome suprise, especially cuz it wasn't comfirmed before, I love their design, it has a balance between being realistic and being cute in the goofiest way possible, LOL, they remind me of ratites. The Nanuq vs. Pachyrhino segment was breathtaking and amazing, and speaking of the Troodontid I mentioned earlier, I love how it used fire to hunt, sounds crazy but several raptors today really do exactly that, they even intentionally spread fires to flush prey, like the Troodontid does in the program. Overall it was an excellent episode and I'm hyped for tomorrow's episode, it's definitely gonna be incredible.
It's between this and Deserts for my favorite episode
Nanuqsaurus stole the show; did feathered tyrants proud
This episode was phenomenal; I genuinely loved all the color palettes for all the species. The iridescent purple-blue on the backs and tail fans of the dromaeosaurs, the patterns on the hadrosaurs, the coloration of the Pachyrhinosaur frills, the secretary bird- esque look of the troodontid, and the African grey parrot colored Ornithomimus. The last one being a welcome surprise since it wasn’t seen or mentioned in any promotional material. All of the segments were quite entertaining. Still pulling for an Ankylosaurus or pachycephalosaur in the final episode.
I agree, those Ornithomimus sure were a suprise, but a welcome one, I love how they look, they look really goofy, but in a realistic way, the mohawks may seem cartoony but there's plenty of birds with ridiculous head crests and/or feather tufts out there and they still look beautiful. I also liked how they showed behaviors Ornithomimids usually aren't seen doing in media, normally when they appear they're either running or getting killed by something so seeing ostrich dinosaurs being given protagonism like this is refreshing.
Why is there istill such a stark debate about the Troodontid being their own order and Troodon being its own species?
@@Dragonstorm62190 there is a particularly striking similarity between Troodontid and pachycephalosaur teeth. And if I recall correctly, the original fossil teeth assigned to Troodon turned out to be those of a pachycephalosaur (Stegoceras?). More skeletal material that was found of this particular type of dinosaur was referred to as Stenonychosaurus, and that name took priority because of it’s substantiation in scientific literature, as well as more complete fossil remains. And in 2017, more fossils belonging to this particular “kind” of dinosaur, were found distinguishable enough to be classified within a new genus, Latenivenatrix.
agreed. The ornithomimus makes up for beelzebufo being spoiled last episode
@@rivermitchem293 Pachycephalosaurid teeth are more similar to that of Thescelosaurus. The premaxillary teeth of Pachys are only vaguely similar to Troodontid teeth. Troodontid teeth are more distinct and clearly theropod in nature.
The Troodon holotype is indeed a Troodontid tooth, the only issue is that it isn't diagnostic to a specific genus and a lot of Troodontids have similar, if not identical teeth. Which is the issue with tooth taxa. Paronychodon is in a ambiguous spot as well as it is likely the preening teeth (used to clean feathers) of either Dromaeosaurids or Troodontid. I believe both Saurornitholestes and Velociraptor have Paronychodon-like teeth. Richardoestesia is also a weird one.
My favourite episode so far also. I think one strength this one had, as well as more time taken with the segments is that everything felt a lot more narratively linked. Although it moved from location to location, it followed a chronologically progression of spring-summer-autumn-winter. Reminded me a bit of the WWD episode Spirits of the Ice Forest in some scenes, to the point that I would have really liked the phrase, 'the long twilight begins' to take place right after the Antarctopelta sequence. What we got though was a nice piece of sombre music as the snow began, and it honestly had about the same effect.
I see your ceratopsian love, and I raise my hadrosaur love. Young hadrosaurs are the cutest dinosaurs around, so there. Also, that panicking young Edmontosaurus in the stream-crossing sequence made such heartbreaking noises that, had the adorable Olorotitan baby made the same one when getting mosquito-swarmed, my heart might have fallen out of my chest and burst into seventeen thousand messy pieces all over my floor.
The Ornithomimus sequence was fun and creative, the Olorotitan segment was really well-written, as was the troodontid bit - I wouldn't have minded seeing more Antarctic dinosaurs - fluffy ornithopods like Trinisaura, or the big old Imperobator (although given that's quite fragmentary, I do understood why not, and honestly, what we got is fine. No complaints about the final sequence either, although the Pachyrhinosaurus quills make me want to encourage them to shave better. Anyway - really looking forward to the final episode, I hope, on top of everything else we're promised, we get to see more mammals.
I'd like to point out that during mating seasons or seasonal events like salmon migration animals who would otherwise be completely solitary get together, sometimes in surprisingly large groups. Say one would uncover tracks of a dozen of grizzly bears from one place. Saying that grizzly bears live and hunt in packs based just on that would be simply wrong, because it clearly is not true at all in reality. However, they do meet and tolerate each other when salmon migrate. So, theropods living and hunting in groups? Certainly possible and even likely, but I would be very careful with such conclusions. 3 sets of tyrannosaurus tracks next to each other or a find of bones from more than one individual at one place actually prove only very little.
Re: pack hunting theropods, it should be noted that pack hunting (and I mean genuinely coordinated group attacks) is more common outside of mammals (and rarer in mammals) than often thought. Furthermore, genuine cooperative hunting is even known in animals that fight over food or do not live in family groups (including some cooperatively hunting mammals).
However, most cooperative hunters (mammalian or otherwise) do so in aquatic settings.
IMO cooperative hunting in theropods was variable-pretty much all of them were theoretically capable of it, and some theropods probably did do it at least part of the time, but it would be the minority in the same way it’s rare in mammals. There wouldn’t really be a taxonomic divide between solitary and cooperatively hunting species; things would be much more dependent on the scenario.
Agreed. Personally I consider species like velociraptor to make less sense because they were mainly going after smaller prey. Though the way its shown in this show does work. The 3 in the 3 episode I picture as siblings, like what you see with Cheetahs and some birds of prey I think and the ones in the second might have been a mated pair or siblings again. The tyrannosaurs is more speculative, but I guess they were more like a mob and less like a pack of wolves or lions. And again 3 isnt exactly like them, with wolf packs getting to 20 members.
@@flightlesslord2688 Actually, the episode 3 Velociraptors may have just been temporarily grouped up and not an actual pack as the female just bailed as soon as she got her food.
@@paleozoic yeah that's what I figured. Something like Komodo dragons.
It's cool the Ornithomimus has a Kirito hair. I was right. It is Aincrad ruled by dinosaurs 45 million years ago. Even we see Cassandra Lee Morris talking about the Nanuqsaurus and shows us the skeleton of it.
I was confused on whether that Dromeosaur at the start was a generic Dromeosaur or just literally a Dromeosaurus, which apparently were found in Alberta, Canada in the late Cretaceous. That makes it only a modest time/space traveler.
I got nothing on why the Edmontosaurus was just a Hadrosaur. While I have no beef with the generic Troodontid given the state of that group’s naming, the lack of names in this one was really frustrating.
The identity of the Arctic hadrosaur is still being debated, first it was Edmontosaurus, then it was Ugruunaluk, now it's Edmontosaurus again but it's still argued that maybe it's Ugruunaluk after all, so to prevent the documentary from potentionally becoming outdated in that regard, they left the genus of the hadrosaur intentionally vague. Also I'm pretty sure the raptors are Dromaeosaurus itself.
@@cintronproductions9430 I believe that is correct; while most people are familiar with the Campanian Dromaeosaurus from places like Judith River Formation, Dromaeosaurus, or at least cf. Dromaeosaurus did persist to the lower Maastrichtian in the Prince Creek Formation.
I believe it's teeth only though. But the teeth of Dromaeosaurus are quite easy to recognize as the twist on mesial carinae is very exaggerated, and sometimes lack serrations. Compared to cf. Saurornitholestes which has a distinct hooked serrations. In contrast, Upper Maastrichtian dromaeosaurids from Hell Creek / Lance like Acheroraptor and Dakotaraptor do not have the mesial twist, and only go half way to base, the former also having diagnostic longitudinal ridges.
I feel like this is horseshoe canyon formation and so in my mind the dromaeosaur is an Atrociraptor and the troodontid is an Albertavenator
@@lincolnb2244 If it was Horseshoe Canyon, I'd imagine they would name them considering they are mostly all described.
In contrast, the Prince Creek fauna is largely indet. (indeterminate) or cf. (comparable to) and haven't been properly described yet.
@@paleozoic I don’t really see that as any evidence that it’s not horseshoe canyon since there’s barely anywhere else it could be.
Troodontid went from poorly known to me, to in my top 5 dinosaurs. This scene was incredible, and she was absolutely beautiful
Troodontids are a family group, make sure to look deeper into the genera
@@ethans8296 I know, I'm trying to figure out exactly which one was the one on the show but there's still a lot of debate about which dinosaurs are troodontids
I 100% agree when troodon appeared I started tearing up she is absolutely gorgeous.
And they did her justice by exemplifying their potentially grand intelligence
Just finished this one, and its probably my favorite so far. The only issues I took with it was the Arsonist Troodont, though Im aware for the Fire-Bird of Australia whos name has escaped me, and the Edmontosaurus* seeming to be reused across the episode. The Last segment felt a bit Awesome-Bro, but it reminds me a lot of the videos of Wolves hunting Bison in yellowstone, which are some of my favorite Animal based vids on the internet. Lets finish off strong tomorrow! (I want to see Carno-Arm-Wiggles)
You're thinking of Fire Hawks, which are not one species but three (in Australia). This behavior has a long history in human oral tradition and urban legends, but until 2015 or so hadn't been properly documented. There are also raptors in East Asia, Africa and supposedly one in South America that are rumoured to display similar behavior.
Of course, it's impossible to say if dinosaurs would have engaged in such behaviors, though it's likely at least a few would happily head towards fires, knowing looking for a good meal. It's a behavior seen in mammals, birds, and reptiles today, so it's not hard to believe dinosaurs would also engage in this behavior.
I was so grateful when I saw the ankylosaurs addressed as Antarctopelta!
I love that they make all the dinosaurs beautiful in their own ways, not forcing anatomy to make it “cooler”.
Love it!
You know what I do to make Prehistoric Planet seem more realistic than it already looks forget the fact that it's CGI and compare it to Planet Earth and it's like WOW!.
I am with you on the troodontid - it was hands down my favorite dino so far, and I would do anything to have one as a pet.
Love the commentary as always
I love how the feathered creatures are almost always patterned after birds. The T-rex babies look like quail chicks, of course the Mononykus a barn owl (maybe too barn owl for my taste, and I love barn owls). The Troodontid looks Shrike-like and the Nanuqsaurus'...maybe toned down zebra finches? Dunno, if anyone else has an idea I'd like to hear it. Very very paleo art inspired and I love that. I could go on about all the others as well
I also loved this episode! These dinosaur designs continue to be absolutely beautiful.
Loved this episode, I don't really care for all the pterosaur stuff but I get it cuz they're mostly thought of as being less advanced than dinosaurs (also every pterosaur is a pterodactyl to most people)
This feels like it's what deserts was supposed to be IMO.
While not as good as freshwater was, this episode still is pretty great (I'd say second best next to Freshwater). The pacing was great and the more mellow scenes and active scenes were perfectly distributed. One last thing to note was I am glad that there was a scene not shown in the trailers (the ornithomimus scene) and I would even say this has to be my favorite segment of the series so far.
overall ice worlds was a good episode
see I agree with what you mean that this is what deserts shouldve been, but at the same time, I think freshwater is the episode with the most mixed bag. The rex, quetzalocoatlus and raptor segments are perfect, but the masiakosaurus, deinocheirus and elasmosaur segments I felt all needed just a little something extra. The masiakosaurus segment would have been perfect if beelzebufo wasnt in a trailer.
I personally like this episode the most because of the colorful snowy scenery
I think the “Troodontid” might be Byronosaurus?
I'm surprised they didn't consider and play with the possibility that Nanuqsaurus acually changed coats and colors with the seasons. In the amazing dino world series it is depicted as fully white with a black and silvered face in winter. Here they depict it still in summer colors of brown, orange, and red. Why would it be outside the realm possibility for Nanuqsaurus to change its feathers and coat color with the seasons like the arctic fox?
Well snow was definitely possible but it was not common, even in the north like that it probably wouldn't have even snowed every year
I could be mistaken, but with more birds, isn't seasonal plumage more tied to breeding seasons than camouflage/coat thickness? Which isn't to say that those aspects don't play any role at all - typically, during none mating seasons the plumage tends to be more dull and less flashy as to help them better blend in. I believe the difference is basically that animals like the arctic hate change coats in order to continue to blend in with their surroundings, while birds tend to have a more deer-like strategy (antlers don't really help when it comes to hide and seek, after all.)
Seeing as it's highly feathered, it would be reasonable to assume that Nanuqsaurus molted and, like plenty of birds, had alternate coats depending on the seasonal molt. However, it seems more likely that one of these was more brightly colored to help attract mates rather than both being mainly for camouflage. Though it's certainly not impossible.
@@Gildedmuse Thank you. I feel very much the same that both sexes molt in spring for summer colored coats and males having brighter reder colors for mating. Then when Autumn comes around they would grow white feathers. The females would then lay their eggs as soon as the began melting. So that the young would reach the size and weight they needed to make it through their first winter. For artic animals, specifically land based predators, this strategy works. Thank you for your input.
I liked this episode. Although I suppose we'd like that the camera view wasn't 100 feet in the air at the very end when we see the pack hunting nanuqsaurus catch their quarry.
Definelity one of my favorite episodes so far, the enviroments were so beatiful and i loved that we got to spend more time with each dinosaur. I don't think the Trodon starting fires is that weird, black kites spread fires all the time
My only dissapointment was that we didn't get to see Cryolophosaurus in the Antarctic segment, it would be've been so cool
okay so the series of Prehistoric planet takes place specifically on the later cretacoeus period, that's why we see pachyrhinosaursus, nanuqsaurus, arctic troodon etc. Cryolophosaurus was from the early-mid Jurassic period of antartica, so sadly their exclusion was guaranteed. i would love however if they shown Leaellynasaura and Australovenator. i mean in the southern polar part of the episode we already have Antarctopelta and a hadrosaur which i probably assume to be muttaburasaurus (even though its a iguanodontid and not a hadrosaur)
A lot of it was filmed in Iceland. You can not only warm eggs in the black sand, but you can boil them in some places.
Still think Deserts is the best episode so far, but this is a very close 2nd for me. We saw so little of it advertised in trailers that alot of things were a nice surprise, like the Pachyrhinosaurus quills, Ornithomimus, the Wildfire Segment, etc
In regards to your first point, the lack of material is largely due to a very limited amount of people digging. If you have first hand experience with fossil hunting for dinosaurs, you'll find out quickly that you're mostly going to find isolated bits like bone fragments, teeth, and if your lucky, a claw. Dromaeosaurids and other bird-like dinosaurs have notoriously bad preservation as well as they are hollow boned, which is why birds have a pretty bad fossil record as well.
Extensively researched places like Hell Creek/Lance, England, or Morocco have a lot of non-professional diggers like commercial hunters or mining companies digging up a lot of material that is often one of the biggest sources for new specimens and holotypes such as Acheroraptor from Hell Creek. Even in places like China that ban export, paleontologists rely on and buy from local farmers and hunters to dig up specimens.
those display feathers on the tails are present in non avian dinosaurs,specifically wulong and zhongjianosaurus,both of which are microraptorine dromaeosaurs
I suddenly had the perverse urge to see a giant mososaur jump up out of that river and drag one of those Hadrosaurs down with him.
Finally they put mammals
As fodder but still, at least they acknowledged their existence. 😅
My reaction when I finally see birds in episode 2.
I looked up Nanuqasaurus and it's also based off of skull fragments and some teeth. It's the same with Atrociraptor in Jurassic World Dominion.
So glad I avoided the marketing for this. I had the same reaction to most creatures that he had for Ornithomimus
Did you know the pachyrhinosaurus that died was the old male? It has the same wound on its right hind limb.
Nice we finally got dromaeosaurus itself and antarctopelta
The mammal looks very much like a Multitiberculate, pseudo-rodents you might say
I think it is unnuakomys due to being hunted by a polar troodon
A Unnuakomys is a metatherian, based on the preserved fossils that would look more like a opossum and would be quite a bit smaller
@@joschuaknuppe5849 ya, but it did live with the Alaskan Troodon, and I mostly believe that troodontid segment takes place in alaska, so it would make sense, it could be another mammal though
I just figured out that the mammal is actually cimolodon, Darren anise confirmed it
@@ridwil7753 Yep
best one so far
I haft to admit that the Troodon use fire was a little sus. But After what you said about birds in Australia it quickly change my mind
Pretty sure there are documentaries about such behavior in birds of prey in Australia
@@ExtremeMadnessX There is a lot of oral tradition involving this behavior in East Asia and Africa as well, and I believe there is even rumours of a bird in South American with a similar tactic. It wouldn't be worth mentioning, except that up until 2015, the Fire Hawks of Australia were thought of as myths/legends.
It’s not everyday you get to see dinosaurs in the polar regions.
Ornithomimus be having Niko Avocado’s hairstyle
19:10 just because they were found together doesn’t mean they hunted in packs
I really love this epsiode but for sure made from a great review
I don't know how you manage to get these detailed analyses made so quickly after the episodes, I'd barely know where to start.
The lack of identification of certain dinosaurs might be because of WWD syndrome, where some of the animals (one of the "Iguanodons" now being considered Mantellisaurus, Anatotitan not another Edmontosaurus species, Megarachne turning out NOT to be a giant spider etc) they just didn't want to risk obsolescence so quickly, at the cost of being precise with the dinosaur names.
I would've just gone with names myself: it's inevitable that as more discoveries are made, we'll be looking back on even this in 10 or 20 years & thing "lol, imagining thinking we thought X did this/y looked like that". Embrace the temporality of palaeontology!
Actually, in a lot of cases, the modern science is that it is in fact nameless and indeterminate. At least some of them can be identified to a family or clade even with just isolated teeth and such.
Putting a name on it when it doesn't have one is unscientific, and in both paleontology and among fossil collectors, such labeling is frowned upon. Embrace the indet. (indeterminate).
@@paleozoic That too, I was generally referring to the examples where it originally seemed it was going to be named but wasn't in the final screening.
they did it in wwd too, with the "Arctic Allosaur" or whatever they called it
@@azhdarchidae66 And that actually turned out not to be an Allosaur, but a Megaraptoran, Australovenator.
@@BugsandBiology i know, but atleast they didnt call it allosaurus. they still made it a small allosaurus though
Should have been called polar worlds or just snow
These episodes are named after planet earth episodes. Planet earth has episodes with all of prehistoric earth episode names and themes. And even more.
I want to see floofy laelynasaura.
Great stuff
My only complaint in this episode is that the Pachy went down a little too quickly, I understand it was exhausted but if they spent a few more seconds of the Nanuqu pack harrassing it and getting in more bites I would have been satisfied.
I DON'T want the scene to be the stomp and roar type battle but if they could have drawn out the Pachy going down fighting and collapsing due to many little injuries, It just felt rushed which may be natural anyways. Still the episode is a 10/10 for me
You aren’t alone. They had to have used references of real hunts in such conditions. Closest analogy is wolves hunting a bison or wisent in the tundra. Issue is, wolves don’t immediately go for the kill, instead like you said wear it down, and then start to eat it alive. Tyrannosaurs however have different jaws, so likely wouldn’t hunt like wolves, so I guess it’s more like a bear family hunting a bison, in which case it can end much quicker.
idk I mean the thing was super tired from runnning away and it was an old male, plus there were 3 of them so in this case it going down quicker makes sense to me
That's an exhausted old male against three hungry, bone crushing jaws. It's fate was sealed the second one nanuq got a bite in on the rear.
This has probably been one of my favourite documentary series in years. That being said, I do think they hamstrung themselves slightly by just showing life on Earth 66 million years ago. It means you get animals like the Velociraptor which was extinct by that point. Like, it would have been easy enough to insert a little narration saying how long ago it was at the time of showing. That's honestly one of the strengths of previous docs. Other than that, 9/10.
Is the ere anyway to watch this with out apple tv
Aztec Club “Macuahuitl” (Ma-Kwa-Hwee-Tul) Obsidian blades not Bone.
4:43 iicr did microraptor also have those pins?
One other thing i find kinde hard to believe in this episode, is that the large Hadrosaurus group started to panic, because of 3 Dromeosaurs, smaller then there own cubs.
1 or 2 aggressive bulls would have been probably enough to scare the Dromeosaurs, while the cubs hide in the back. At least i personally think.
Is there any chance that the dromaeosaur is an atrociraptor? All the species here would indicate Horseshoe Canyon formation: Ornithomimus, Edmontosaurus, the troodontid as Albertavenator, the mammal being Didelphodon, and the dromaeosaur as Atrociraptor.
No, since then it should have been Albertosaurus instead of Nanuqsaurus. Dromaeosaurus is cf. Dromaeosaurus. The rest are indet., sp., etc
Horseshoe Canyon is well described so there shouldn't be any reason to keep names vague if it was.
@@paleozoic The part with the Nanuqsaurus and the Pachyrhinosaurus didn’t happen in the same place as the dromaeosaur though. That was Alaska in the Prince Creek Formation. There’s no reason it can’t be Horseshoe Canyon.
I was under the impression there was no ice during the late Cretaceous period.
Lmao. What? Where did you get that impression?
@@jeebus2313 I guess because there were no ice caps then I made the assumption of no snow and stuff.
Maybe it is just me but this episode got me a bit ennoyed to be honest, and will stand still with the opinion that "Deserts" was most educative and well made in terms of visuals, cinematography and music. There is one MAJOR downside of this particular episode almost half of species mentioned weren't named! Uspecified "Hadrosaurs" (my bet for Edmontosaurus, but why wasn't named then?), "a dromeosaur" (no idea, but they were beauties) , "Troodontid" (Latenivenatrix? Again, I'd like to know, but oh well, no name, so I'll be left wondering what the animal trully isIF it even is a thing. Why did they go with tis animal really, since Troodontids are in such a shaky ground). And if someone who is into dinosaurs doesn't know, how avarage watcher can guess? It's not that I'm criticizing or hating, I love the show, but in first 3 episodes almost all species were specified, and ALL main ones were named. Here not at all. Also Ornithomimus design, just imo, is the least appealing - that weird hairstyle does not really fit there, but that'ss just my opinion, not the point of the comment. The point is, they really should have named the dinosaurs they show, or else they may appear as not actual species, almost imaginary creatures.
The first area is the Prince Creek formation where unfortunately we just don't have many species detailed. The Hadrosaur in particular has some serious debate about it.
The troodont might be stenonychosaurus considering the size Attenborough gave it
Cool
multituberculate
and nanuqsaurus gets the first theropod on screen kill of another dinosaur, considering my profile picture i am quite chuffed as you can imagine lol
Still liking it, but i still think they are afraid to show violence, i can't imagine an african documentary without violence.
There are a couple of those.
I honestly hated the ornithomimus look
I respect your opinion, but honestly not every dinosaur should look majestic, it's fine if some look goofy, LOL. Look at today's birds, some are majestic like eagles and falcons, while others are goofy-looking like pelicans and ostriches. XD
@@cintronproductions9430 honestly yeah youre right. But I think it just felt off in the feathering, I didnt like that random pink. I actually did laugh at its little mojack I found that amusing, but that pink set me off. There have been much better reconstructions of this animal in paleoart and I honestly think they couldve done a lot better.
I've been watching these as they come out, and honestly, my biggest criticism is that a lot of these scenarios that they're going with are just like, "what if dinosaur do thing modern animal does???" instead of looking at the fossils and then thinking about unique or otherwise interesting behaviors the animals may have engaged in. So far, Freshwater has been the best in terms of good speculation and I think Deserts has been the worst. Like, in this episode specifically we have the Troodon spreading fire like some species of modern hawks do, which is an extremely specific behavior to append to a dinosaur, especially when we have no fossil evidence that it actually participated in such behaviors. And then later, we have the nanuqsaurus hunting the herd of pachyrhinosaurus in the same exact way modern wolves hunt bison, instead of something more unique that takes into account their specific strengths and weaknesses as tyrannosaurs. At that point, why not just make a documentary about wolves? It feels kind of lazy for lack of a better word.
How are they hunting the pachyrhinosaurus in exact same way as wolves? How else could you do a pack of Tyrannosaurs hunting a herd of ceratopsians?
I’m curious.
Many animals developed similar behavior or even looks though history, Tasmanian tiger looks exactly like wolf, American carnivore marsupials looked almost exactly like sabertooth cats, and behave similar. What we see as unique for mammals is just repeating similar behavior in dinosaurs and even synapsids before them. Convergent evolution is a thing.
@@bryceburns7425 In the documentary, the group chase down the pachyrhinosaurs over a long period of time in an exercise of endurance based off of stamina. This is a valid hunting strategy, and is plausible, but like I said, it in no way highlights their unique strengths and weaknesses as tyrannosaurs. Tyrannosaurs have skulls specifically evolved to absorb shock and produce a stronger bite, so why not make use of that by showing how those adaptations specifically help them when they hunt? Not only is something like that backed by fossil evidence, but it's also a more unique behavior. You might say "Oh, but isn't that what lions do?" and you'd be right, but at that point it'd just be convergent evolution based on evidence instead of pure speculation. Speculation is fine, but it needs evidence to back it up, and a lot of the speculation that Prehistoric Planet does is pretty flimsy.
@@ExtremeMadnessX The point is that we don't actually know how dinosaurs and synapsids and other extinct kinds of animals lived. We can make our best guesses from fossils, but just saying "modern animals do this and look sort of similar, so these animals must have behaved in the exact same way" is an unscientific way of approaching that question, especially when the documentary at no point says "all this is speculation". We don't have the luxury of looking at dinosaurs in the wild to make direct observations about their behavior, and therefore have no idea if they behaved similarly to modern animals at all. To just say "convergent evolution is a thing" and then slap a modern behavior on an animal that had a completely different body plan and lived in a completely different climate and ate completely different food and leave it at that is to excuse speculation that never calls itself speculation and uses only surface level fossil evidence to craft a scenario instead of looking at what made these animals interesting and uniquely adapted to handle their environments. And to point out the holes in your examples, Tasmanian tigers do not "look exactly like wolves," their proportions are only vaguely similar at best, with long bodies, short legs, and a differently proportioned face, and even though they looked vaguely similar to one another they behaved completely differently to wolves, preferring to hunt alone or in pairs as opposed to packs. The South American sabre-toothed marsupial you're talking about (Thylacosmilus) lived alongside Smilodon for about 500,000 years before they went extinct. They lived in a similar climate and hunted similar types of prey, so of course they look similar and have similar hunting adaptations, like how nightjars and insectivorous bats have similar body plans (large eyes, short and wide mouths, dark brown coloration, similar wing shapes) since they hunt insects at night. It's lazy, simple as that.
“This is a valid hunting strategy, but like I said, it in no way highlights there strengths and weaknesses as tyrannosaurs.”
Actually, it does. Like modern birds, non-avian theropods would have had air sacs that would have helped them take in oxygen more efficiently. Not only that, being bipedal is also a useful endurance trait since two legs use less energy than four.
Also why are lions your go to example for an animal with strong biteforce, and not spotted hyenas? They have the strongest biteforce of any mammal, and are also endurance predator too.
Also, what are option is there other than endurance hunting? If they had made these nanuqsaurus into stealth or ambush hunters, you’d just start complaining about how they ripped off how modern cats hunt. Your standards create a lose lose situation for the people who make these documentaries.
The colours are so bad 😂😂
The are accurate tho
@@CreatureDomain alright bud
This episode was fine. Not great. Not good. But not bad or terrible either. It was fine. The biggest complaint I have is that it has the most inaccuracies of the show. There is literally grass in this episode and Troodon is not a valid genus. The scenes were also too short. Perhaps the show can have a season 2.
They don't call it Troodon, they call it a troodontid.
Really? My issue with Desert episode was the segments were too short, and to lesser extent Freshwater. Currently the Masiakosaurus segment was my least favourite because we saw the 'twist' as it were in the trailers. And in deserts, the final segment with the hadrosaurs, and especially the watering hole segments felt like they shouldve looked at more behaviour.
I thought grass did evolve in the early Cretaceous, though? Obviously, it became more common in the Cenozoic, but I thought it certainly existed in the Cretaceous? Or is it restricted to Asian fossil deposits?
@@flightlesslord2688 Well I only feel this way because of the pachyrhinosaurus scene.
@@TheStruggler-wb7mk they found evidence of grass in coprolite.