I'm a 45 year veteran musician. I play multiple instruments, and have played or owned almost every guitar and amp possible over the years. I own many tube and some modeling amps. I've always been a purist as guitar amps go. But, I recently bought the Kemper Profiling Amp, and was just blown away. I modeled my Friedman, Bogner, Marshall, and Vintage Fender amps, and OMG. The Kemper is amazing. So close to perfect. 99.9 percent. The proof is in the results. Kemper Proves it 100 percent.
Funny thing about it all is, 99% of those who will hear music produced by a Kemper vs the corresponding "reference amp" would be completely unable to detect any differences. Yet, on the internet, people will argue for years to come whether this is a viable alternative.
Even though this was many many moons ago, I still giggle when listening to the reference amp and the kemper amp! It's nearly impossible to tell! I've had My KPA for a little over a year. Still learning it, but I appreciate it!
In 100 years everyone will be like "man, it's good, but it doesn't sound like a Kemper, I'll still take a kemper over this new holographic amp technology"
Man, I can't wait for the air guitar to be a real instrument! But even seriously, how cool would it be to be able to play the air and it would "use" a real guitar of your choice and is never out of tune, and on a amp stack of your choice like Kemper does, but on a holographic analyzer device the size of a mobile phone? It would read your movements in the air to generate the "DI signal" for the modelled guitar->stack of choice :)
just bought a KPA power rack..unreal is the best way to describe. Though I will never part ways with my Shiva and pedals..this is what I'll gig with. Everyone needs to remember no matter how good your amp is or how well you play, a soundman can make a Trainwreck, well..sound like a trainwreck.
Unless you a/b the sounds as they do here nobody will know the difference. And even side by side it's super close. This is amazing. Any recording artist would love this to take on tour. they can have all the sounds they used on their records.
truly nice, but everyone thinks this is BRAND NEW, SO SICK. line 6, axe-fx, eleven rack. you guys ever hear of these? still, very very sick. considering buying one. youve pretty much sold me.
Sounds great, I love the product. But for a fair a/b comparision, the volume has to be exactly identical. Here, the kemper is louder. Psychoacoustics is a well known territory: louder is judged to sound better if the same sound is compared.
I think everyone saying these sounds are "shit" have never heard a raw, unmixed mic input track before. It never sounds the same as having the amp in your living room, or a full multitracked band mix. Compared to similar raw direct mic tracks, this sounds pretty damn good.
When will guitarists finally wake up to tech? When did you last see a keyboard player turn up to a gig with a grand piano, Hammond, Rhodes and a Lesley. ? 99% of the audience can't tell the difference between a les Paul and a SG...sound wise.
I've always been a purist when it came to guitar amps, but I tested a Kemper myself last week. I played preinstalled presets, where I knew how the amps roughly sound ... I WAS IMPRESSED ! Sounds really authentic. I've I would be a recording musician I defenitly would buy one of those badboys !
Ben Caffrey I simply don't need it. I'm not against it, but I have one amp that I love and I don't need anything else, plus I simply don't have the money.
JamesShore1990 I agree, I have changed my set up now, based it around a great little valve amp and am carving out my own tone, however in most modern recording situations it's not a unique tone that's wanted. It's a classic guitar sound, so that's where this technology works perfectly.
+Ben Caffrey What shame that is, a real rhodes sounds fucking incredible live, It's a shame no one in this generation has experienced that because of what you say, everyone just turns up with a fucking modeller digital keyboard or just uses the shitty Logic MIDI rodes instrument...
That 1% would also account for bit rate and sample reduction caused by youtube and majority of them are listening through high end converters and monitors in a well treated room. The 1% is not the ones arguing the 1% are the ones making educated purchases for there studios!
Very good players and studio folks around the world are reluctant to even try the Kempler because the concept sounds like a "gimmick", but the as time goes by and more and more "good" musicians and studio people get won over by the reality that this Kempler technology is "real and revolutionary" then the door is open for evolution in the music industry. There is a good review of the kempler products on the "Tony McKenzie" site as well. Highly recommended viewing.
@RemySin I guess it does, due to profiling in the refine mode. I guess, that is, were also with 700 kHz, special Nuances get added to the already caught main signal. Thats why to play lots of harmonical stuff within this refining mode ;)
LIstening thru Apogee Ensemble with Antelope Isochrone OCX word clock in to Mackie HR824 monitors and.... to my ears, the two tones don't sound very much alike. The Kemper tone was much more muffled with at least 2db boost in the midrange 500hz - 650hz. The technology is certainly impressive and the tone was useable but I don't think the modeling was particularly close in this example.
The original is a bit more muscular,warmer,and more defined but Kemper is damn close.If you add in all the benefits,options and ease of use with the Kemper,I can see why some guitarist go with it.
Plus in the context of a mix, you end up cutting a lot of frequencies out to make room for other instruments anyway, so it would probably be impossible to tell them apart in that situation.
Right before the second "fine tuning" the difference was clear and typical of what I've always complained about with modelling amps. After that it's much reduced -but still there.But the recording process lowers the resolution of the sound vs actually being there. Having the guitar in your hand makes a huge difference on top of that. This is because of the sag/bloom of the notes becomes very obvious when the strings are "under your fingers". The same thing applies when you are comparing two similar voiced tube amps. Where one will be stiffer/ faster than the other to the person actually playing. You can listen to You tube demos all day long but actually playing the two is what matters.Modelling amps still have the Solid State picking response that has always tuned guitar player towards tube amps.When they figure out how to model that aspect of tube amps then I think the rest of us will come on board......
I know this is a super old comment, but yeah they've fixed that by now lol. Kempers nowadays are indistinguishable. Both guitarists in my band switched to Kempers a couple years ago and they have never even glanced back. Not to mention how useful they are for a recording studio!
So I have a suggestion for a future Kemper product. How about a floor unit with assignable foot switches which just loads profiles? No profiling capability in the unit at all. Just the ability to load profiles. Might be a way to bring this technology within the reach of more players. Just a thought.
Sounds pretty close to my ears anyway, the Kemper sounds a bit bass-ier and with a hint more of gain but that's an easy tweak. Of course it's never 100% there (then again with some tweaking, who knows...) but it does come damn close and If Steve Lukather's been using the Kemper, I'd say that's a stamp of approval right there. Then again to my ears the amp sounds on the Fractal Audio Axe FX sound quite digital while lots of pros love the Axe FXII so what the f - - k do I know. To me, the Kemper sounds better for amps and the Axe FX is like the new Eventide Harmonizer of the fx world. Just in a league of it's own Fx wise.
I'm with you. I have an axefx2 and running it through a cab it sounds thin and digital compared to every amp I own it's supposedly is modeling. I'm leaning towards selling the entire setup and getting the Kemper. I'm probably waiting till after NAMM though because Kemper is due for an upgrade I think. Who knows though.
schlagdog I just watched PG's gear rundown with Stephen Carpenter (Deftones) and he uses a Palmer tube di. to get the natural sound back from the Axe FX, check it out, it might be your solution too FWIW :-)
To the 6 people, so far, who dislike: Thumbs down is akin to a non sequiter (not misspelled) in this case. The march of progress, even if it is slow, and always incomplete (it is) , or even something you don't want to see develop at all, is hardly the sort of thing that "thumbs down" can effectively counter-act. But don't get me wrong. I still miss 2" tape recording
I need some help please.... can you actually profile not just the amp but let's say the entire settings along with it that you are using ? so the entire rig ? thanks
...but we still need the valve amps to get the sound Kemper is profiling. When Kemper or some other profiling/modeling amp starts to sound better than the real deal, then we have the dawn of the new age.
As far as I've researched, the Kemper 'snapshots' the amp sound, much like you can take a high quality picture of a famous painting. However, you can't capture all the layers of paint, and how the painter used his brush. By this, i refer to the dynamic response, regarding soft/hard playing with fingers/plectrums. This profiler may get a tonal image of an amp, but won't get the true response of the players dynamics, that a tube amp will. A lot of guitar tone comes from the fingers.
With all due respect... you're wrong. I was a true skeptic but bought one just over a year ago in hopes that the Kemper would rescue my failing 62-year-old body from having to haul heavy tube amps and speaker cabs to gigs. Once the profile has been 'tweaked'... it both sounds and responds to your fingers EXACTLY like the profiled tube amp. Anyone that owns one and says otherwise needs to get into the 'nuts & bolts' of the Profiler and do some tweaking to fit their own playing style. You can also adjust the tonal structure and profile data to suit a different guitar, rename the profile, hit the 'save' button and you're 'good to go' whenever that guitar is in your hands! It's a fascinatingly-incredible piece of electronic technology... not to mention that it's light enough to be mounted on a mic stand out front so that you no longer have to expose your audience to 'ass crack' in order to make on-the-fly adjustments to your amp... nor crawl around on a dark stage to adjust your pedals anymore! It's simply fantastic... no two-ways about it!
@CrazyDiaond1968, Dude seriously? I mean that's fine if you love your Kemper, but saying such laughable and to be honest meaningless statement is beyond absurd... I have 2 Kempers in my studio with an AxeFxII, Almost all the plugins under the sky (Amplitube, S-gear, Overloud TH3, etc...) and 16 tube amps for the artists in the studio. Kemper has better touch sensitivity than the Real deal? Are you kidding me? Good luck tweaking a static snap-shot of an amp with the best possible gears (best mics, tube consoles, etc...) and use it dynamically. It's just not possible, period. Snap shots are that SNAP SHOTS! nothing else. Amps are not made of different snap-shots nor are their sound is comprised of static sounds. Analog amps and specifically tube amps are almost alive creatures that are very touchy and sensitive; they behave differently based on the power condition, temperature, connections and even weather conditions! To have an *almost* real emulation of amp (Kemper-style!) is to have millions of snapshots of many many different settings of an amp and somehow morph between them seamlessly, then again that would not be the real deal simply because the morphing process itself does not exist in reality! Kemper is nice but compare to the real amps they are like McDonald's to the best French 'Bœuf Bourguignon' dish... After recording countless sessions for more than 15 years and working with all sorts of high end both analog and digital units I'm telling you there are many reasons why many pro artists would never be satisfied with Kemper or similar gears and rightly so. Cheers,
If you really really want to hear the difference, send the signal to both amps, lay them on top of each other and reverse the phase of one. You will hear what the differences are.
I felt the original had more "air" and you could more easily tell the strings apart. The Kemper sort of glued the strings together to a more messy whole. The original felt more "clear". After watching this video, I'd rather have a proper amp than a Kemper.
Well, not really amps are analogue, an industry that pretty is at a standstill. Tube amps as they are made now are never really going to get that much better. However this new digital market can go further were analogue stops. Yes the price drops faster, but only because more progress has been made in the technology. They are more reliable and a constantly growing market. So for gigging reasons it's a great thing.
***** Audience will not hear difference between real deal and Line 6 Bean POD from 1998. When its about the tone its always about musicians and producers. Listeners do not give a sh.t about the tone. I still think its wonderful piece of technology,but obviously still do not sound like a real deal,always possess little bit less warmness,less saturate.So distortions of profiles always sound bit clearer then real deal.Its snapshot so its very close. In about 5 to 10 years maxium I`m sure we will have even piece of software that will sound totally like a real deal. Future is in technology. This is currently the best option.
I agree. Lugging a tube amp and a big pedalboard cannot be justified much longer. The big acts can do what they want of course, but even guys like Lukather has given up on running two giant effects racks with four 100-watt heads.
Take in mind that this video is old, the newer kemper models are almost flawless, it's almost impossible to tell the kemper apart from the real amp, that's why many bands are nowadays using it on their live riggs.
Michael Britt has profiles that include a Timmy pedal so, I would yes it can profile effects. You need a power amp to run it with a speaker cab but not to record with it, if I'm not mistaken.
Well, if you play actively, the Kemper will have basically paid itself in 10 years, considering you'd need to change the power tubes for 120 euros once a year. And imagine, if you have multiple amps! Three amps, and the Kemper has paid itself in less than 3,5 years.
don't like at all. Kemper is a lot more "closed" and less "airy" that the original one. Also, generycally so poor in dynamic. From here, to my ears. Curious to try one of this live
I too wish to signal to my musician peers that my sophisticated, highly refined ear can tell that the new technology is cold and thinner my grandfather's technology. Harrumph! Having successfully virtue signaled, I must be off, for I must enjoy my new Arcade Fire album on vinyl with a microbrew while I stroke my neck-beard and contemplate the virtues of a vegan diet and write-in candidates.
if that gentleman is a high profile session guitarist, I feel sorry for the Artist! The Kemper has me scratching my head! That thing sounds great but that kind of money? I'm sorry I would have to get a Boogie!
Close, but no cigar. Using a Kemper is like eating a store-brand "Oreo" cookie. While it may be close, sooner or later you're gonna want the real deal.
Hi i also have Kemper but its not sound like real amp... never... not even close most people says kemper is wow... its not true.. Listen the real amp. Kemper sounds like a toy. I plan to sell Kemper and I'm going to Marshall Jvm 215c or 410h
+Dimitar Popov Did you watch the video? Not even close? Really? So if I cut up this video, labelled the guitar segments A and B, you think you can reliably tell which is Kemper and which is the real amp? Would you be willing to put money on that? This is studio engineers in an acoustically treated room with high end monitors, and they can barely tell the difference. Live or in a mix, _nobody_ could hear a difference. Yes, somehow you get from "almost indistinguishable" to "not even close". How is it possible to be _that_ wrong?
+ReductioAdAbsurdum I heard a band play a Kemper live it's true. There is a difference from a real amp to a Kemper. You won't notice it when it's recorded since Kemper models the recorded signals but it sounds very different in a room.
True it was a pretty small venue so the guy decided since he had the powered Kemper version to play through an Orange PPC412 that was there as a backline anyway. It sounded huge in some parts but most of the time the other guitarist's Orange Rockerverb just sat better in that particular live mix. Maybe it would have been better if the Orange was mic'd and the Kemper went through the PA instead of the Orange Cab
+Alex Dattel The PPC412 is a guitar cabinet, not a flat frequency response monitor. The Kemper already captures the coloration caused by a guitar cabinet, so running it through _another_ cabinet will sound like shit unless you can somehow remove the cabinet/mic from the profile, which the Kemper is not particularly good at doing. The Kemper should have gone through the PA, or a FRFR amp.
lol. Close you eyes, don't watch the video, let a friend of yours skip between different sections and ask you to identify which is which...you'll be wrong, then you'll realize how ridiculous your comment was.
You sound exactly like I did Kenny! Right up until a half hour after my Kemper had been delivered to my door. When you've 'profiled' an amp in real life as I and other Kemper owners have, you too will be 'singing a different tune'. It's a very advanced piece of technology, which unlike so many others,'works as advertised'. Period.
What about 'real musicians' who want to profile their expensive vintage gear that they worked for so many years to get sounding just they way they like it and are worried about losing their tone incase their hardware ever fails because the products are discontinued? I know of at least 3 Kemper users who have done this - their expensive boutique amps can't be replaced, but they can be preserved in time using a Kemper. Good job man.
I'm a 45 year veteran musician. I play multiple instruments, and have played or owned almost every guitar and amp possible over the years. I own many tube and some modeling amps. I've always been a purist as guitar amps go. But, I recently bought the Kemper Profiling Amp, and was just blown away. I modeled my Friedman, Bogner, Marshall, and Vintage Fender amps, and OMG. The Kemper is amazing. So close to perfect. 99.9 percent. The proof is in the results. Kemper Proves it 100 percent.
+1!!!
Funny thing about it all is, 99% of those who will hear music produced by a Kemper vs the corresponding "reference amp" would be completely unable to detect any differences.
Yet, on the internet, people will argue for years to come whether this is a viable alternative.
Even though this was many many moons ago, I still giggle when listening to the reference amp and the kemper amp! It's nearly impossible to tell! I've had My KPA for a little over a year. Still learning it, but I appreciate it!
The Kemper is the real deal. It is the only product of its kind that truly delivers indistinguishable amp tones.
in fact the Kemper sounds even a bit better here...more in your face...unbeliavable...I Want one
It does sound like the real thing. The big question is, does it feel for the player like the real thing?
In 100 years everyone will be like "man, it's good, but it doesn't sound like a Kemper, I'll still take a kemper over this new holographic amp technology"
If there is no real amp, there is no keeper. Nothing to copy from.
Man, I can't wait for the air guitar to be a real instrument! But even seriously, how cool would it be to be able to play the air and it would "use" a real guitar of your choice and is never out of tune, and on a amp stack of your choice like Kemper does, but on a holographic analyzer device the size of a mobile phone? It would read your movements in the air to generate the "DI signal" for the modelled guitar->stack of choice :)
Is it me or the Kemper sounds better? Amazing piece of gear love it
Same here. I prefer the kemper :D
just bought a KPA power rack..unreal is the best way to describe. Though I will never part ways with my Shiva and pedals..this is what I'll gig with. Everyone needs to remember no matter how good your amp is or how well you play, a soundman can make a Trainwreck, well..sound like a trainwreck.
Unless you a/b the sounds as they do here nobody will know the difference. And even side by side it's super close. This is amazing. Any recording artist would love this to take on tour. they can have all the sounds they used on their records.
It seems as though the reference amp was just minutely lower, but otherwise EXACTLY the same! Impressive!!!
truly nice, but everyone thinks this is BRAND NEW, SO SICK. line 6, axe-fx, eleven rack. you guys ever hear of these?
still, very very sick. considering buying one. youve pretty much sold me.
What are u talking bout fools!? Its an exact copy after tweaking!! AMAZING AMAZING I'm buying one now.
Sounds great, I love the product. But for a fair a/b comparision, the volume has to be exactly identical. Here, the kemper is louder. Psychoacoustics is a well known territory: louder is judged to sound better if the same sound is compared.
I think everyone saying these sounds are "shit" have never heard a raw, unmixed mic input track before. It never sounds the same as having the amp in your living room, or a full multitracked band mix. Compared to similar raw direct mic tracks, this sounds pretty damn good.
thanks for the awsome demo. we have some pieces on demo now in our musicasa stores and the results are just amazing.
The more amps the better. But I still love my tube amps.
mind.blown. Huge advancement.
it's very good technology for replicating any amps particular sounds, but they just simply won't react to dynamics the same way as a stellar tube amp
When will guitarists finally wake up to tech? When did you last see a keyboard player turn up to a gig with a grand piano, Hammond, Rhodes and a Lesley. ? 99% of the audience can't tell the difference between a les Paul and a SG...sound wise.
I've always been a purist when it came to guitar amps, but I tested a Kemper myself last week. I played preinstalled presets, where I knew how the amps roughly sound ... I WAS IMPRESSED !
Sounds really authentic. I've I would be a recording musician I defenitly would buy one of those badboys !
Many will fight the tech but as it becomes more common and even affordable, they will adjust.
Ben Caffrey I simply don't need it. I'm not against it, but I have one amp that I love and I don't need anything else, plus I simply don't have the money.
JamesShore1990 I agree, I have changed my set up now, based it around a great little valve amp and am carving out my own tone, however in most modern recording situations it's not a unique tone that's wanted. It's a classic guitar sound, so that's where this technology works perfectly.
+Ben Caffrey What shame that is, a real rhodes sounds fucking incredible live, It's a shame no one in this generation has experienced that because of what you say, everyone just turns up with a fucking modeller digital keyboard or just uses the shitty Logic MIDI rodes instrument...
Sounds the same! That is unbelievable.
I had heard of the Kemper, but I thought it was just another modeling amp, and I hate modeling amps. This thing is actually really cool.
the profile still sounds matschiger than the original. The pick attack is not quite right. but all in all a great technische Meisterleistung! Hut ab!
That was really good!
Thanks Scotty
Reminds me a bit of Mortal Kombats Shang Tusng, who gets the soul of defeated chars and gets their moves ^^
All sounds the same to me through UA-cam.
That 1% would also account for bit rate and sample reduction caused by youtube and majority of them are listening through high end converters and monitors in a well treated room. The 1% is not the ones arguing the 1% are the ones making educated purchases for there studios!
Wow! Sounds great!!
That is goddamn amazing.
Very good players and studio folks around the world are reluctant to even try the Kempler because the concept sounds like a "gimmick", but the as time goes by and more and more "good" musicians and studio people get won over by the reality that this Kempler technology is "real and revolutionary" then the door is open for evolution in the music industry. There is a good review of the kempler products on the "Tony McKenzie" site as well. Highly recommended viewing.
you may adjust the power sag or pick attack to fing the response you are looking for :)
@RemySin I guess it does, due to profiling in the refine mode. I guess, that is, were also with 700 kHz, special Nuances get added to the already caught main signal. Thats why to play lots of harmonical stuff within this refining mode ;)
Oh my gosh I am a tone freak now it's not my sound of a plexi marshall but it sounded so good as good as the original -
I hear it too. But it's probably as close as one could hope for at this point.
LIstening thru Apogee Ensemble with Antelope Isochrone OCX word clock in to Mackie HR824 monitors and.... to my ears, the two tones don't sound very much alike. The Kemper tone was much more muffled with at least 2db boost in the midrange 500hz - 650hz. The technology is certainly impressive and the tone was useable but I don't think the modeling was particularly close in this example.
kemper sound better in this case. still looking for a vintage referece with spring reverb.. that's impossible to immitate.
The original is a bit more muscular,warmer,and more defined but Kemper is damn close.If you add in all the benefits,options and ease of use with the Kemper,I can see why some guitarist go with it.
Plus in the context of a mix, you end up cutting a lot of frequencies out to make room for other instruments anyway, so it would probably be impossible to tell them apart in that situation.
Good point Lenny Henry.
Love kemper.
This is really cool! but how does it feel?
I'm still not convinced, maybe Kemper profiles the sound. But does it profile the feel of a real tube amp?
@ACDCwarmachine
It is BRAND NEW AND SICK. It uses a completely different technology...
Great job, guys. Did you upload the profiles you'd made to the internets?
This thing is cool!
Right before the second "fine tuning" the difference was clear and typical of what I've always complained about with modelling amps. After that it's much reduced -but still there.But the recording process lowers the resolution of the sound vs actually being there. Having the guitar in your hand makes a huge difference on top of that. This is because of the sag/bloom of the notes becomes very obvious when the strings are "under your fingers". The same thing applies when you are comparing two similar voiced tube amps. Where one will be stiffer/ faster than the other to the person actually playing. You can listen to You tube demos all day long but actually playing the two is what matters.Modelling amps still have the Solid State picking response that has always tuned guitar player towards tube amps.When they figure out how to model that aspect of tube amps then I think the rest of us will come on board......
I know this is a super old comment, but yeah they've fixed that by now lol. Kempers nowadays are indistinguishable. Both guitarists in my band switched to Kempers a couple years ago and they have never even glanced back. Not to mention how useful they are for a recording studio!
Congratulations Great Sound...you shared these sounds somewhere?Thank you
So I have a suggestion for a future Kemper product. How about a floor unit with assignable foot switches which just loads profiles? No profiling capability in the unit at all. Just the ability to load profiles. Might be a way to bring this technology within the reach of more players. Just a thought.
Done
When will we get to see/hear the session where you profiled that vintage AC30? :)
Sounds pretty close to my ears anyway, the Kemper sounds a bit bass-ier and with a hint more of gain but that's an easy tweak. Of course it's never 100% there (then again with some tweaking, who knows...) but it does come damn close and If Steve Lukather's been using the Kemper, I'd say that's a stamp of approval right there.
Then again to my ears the amp sounds on the Fractal Audio Axe FX sound quite digital while lots of pros love the Axe FXII so what the f - - k do I know. To me, the Kemper sounds better for amps and the Axe FX is like the new Eventide Harmonizer of the fx world. Just in a league of it's own Fx wise.
I'm with you. I have an axefx2 and running it through a cab it sounds thin and digital compared to every amp I own it's supposedly is modeling. I'm leaning towards selling the entire setup and getting the Kemper. I'm probably waiting till after NAMM though because Kemper is due for an upgrade I think. Who knows though.
schlagdog
I just watched PG's gear rundown with Stephen Carpenter (Deftones) and he uses a Palmer tube di. to get the natural sound back from the Axe FX, check it out, it might be your solution too FWIW :-)
yes bass ier lol
To the 6 people, so far, who dislike: Thumbs down is akin to a non sequiter (not misspelled) in this case. The march of progress, even if it is slow, and always incomplete (it is) , or even something you don't want to see develop at all, is hardly the sort of thing that "thumbs down" can effectively counter-act. But don't get me wrong. I still miss 2" tape recording
It sounds really close but what about the dynamics?
@luuanhquyen So what you're saying is that you would rather have a device that is poorly engineered and hard to use?
Kemper seems to have a slight mid boost and less fizz. Not identical but a decent copy nonetheless.
Amazing
@dominodoggy1 Not kidding they sound like an insane dj attempting to mix dubstep. But it's all worth it in the end
I was wondering what the profiling amp's "test tones" sounded like. Thanks for skipping them with info I already knew about the amp. Ah well.
Omg this is the future
I need some help please.... can you actually profile not just the amp but let's say the entire settings along with it that you are using ? so the entire rig ? thanks
@RemySin My thoughts exactly.
I couldn't explain it better hahahahaha
...but we still need the valve amps to get the sound Kemper is profiling. When Kemper or some other profiling/modeling amp starts to sound better than the real deal, then we have the dawn of the new age.
As far as I've researched, the Kemper 'snapshots' the amp sound, much like you can take a high quality picture of a famous painting. However, you can't capture all the layers of paint, and how the painter used his brush. By this, i refer to the dynamic response, regarding soft/hard playing with fingers/plectrums. This profiler may get a tonal image of an amp, but won't get the true response of the players dynamics, that a tube amp will. A lot of guitar tone comes from the fingers.
Try one first. The failing you describe is actually the success that impressed me the most about it.
You obviously don't own a Kemper. In most cases the Kemper has more dynamic response than the real amp.
With all due respect... you're wrong. I was a true skeptic but bought one just over a year ago in hopes that the Kemper would rescue my failing 62-year-old body from having to haul heavy tube amps and speaker cabs to gigs. Once the profile has been 'tweaked'... it both sounds and responds to your fingers EXACTLY like the profiled tube amp. Anyone that owns one and says otherwise needs to get into the 'nuts & bolts' of the Profiler and do some tweaking to fit their own playing style. You can also adjust the tonal structure and profile data to suit a different guitar, rename the profile, hit the 'save' button and you're 'good to go' whenever that guitar is in your hands! It's a fascinatingly-incredible piece of electronic technology... not to mention that it's light enough to be mounted on a mic stand out front so that you no longer have to expose your audience to 'ass crack' in order to make on-the-fly adjustments to your amp... nor crawl around on a dark stage to adjust your pedals anymore! It's simply fantastic... no two-ways about it!
pick attack control in the adv parameters,fwiw.
@CrazyDiaond1968, Dude seriously? I mean that's fine if you love your Kemper, but saying such laughable and to be honest meaningless statement is beyond absurd... I have 2 Kempers in my studio with an AxeFxII, Almost all the plugins under the sky (Amplitube, S-gear, Overloud TH3, etc...) and 16 tube amps for the artists in the studio. Kemper has better touch sensitivity than the Real deal? Are you kidding me? Good luck tweaking a static snap-shot of an amp with the best possible gears (best mics, tube consoles, etc...) and use it dynamically. It's just not possible, period. Snap shots are that SNAP SHOTS! nothing else. Amps are not made of different snap-shots nor are their sound is comprised of static sounds. Analog amps and specifically tube amps are almost alive creatures that are very touchy and sensitive; they behave differently based on the power condition, temperature, connections and even weather conditions!
To have an *almost* real emulation of amp (Kemper-style!) is to have millions of snapshots of many many different settings of an amp and somehow morph between them seamlessly, then again that would not be the real deal simply because the morphing process itself does not exist in reality! Kemper is nice but compare to the real amps they are like McDonald's to the best French 'Bœuf Bourguignon' dish... After recording countless sessions for more than 15 years and working with all sorts of high end both analog and digital units I'm telling you there are many reasons why many pro artists would never be satisfied with Kemper or similar gears and rightly so. Cheers,
If you really really want to hear the difference, send the signal to both amps, lay them on top of each other and reverse the phase of one. You will hear what the differences are.
I felt the original had more "air" and you could more easily tell the strings apart. The Kemper sort of glued the strings together to a more messy whole. The original felt more "clear". After watching this video, I'd rather have a proper amp than a Kemper.
should have used a flat response mic. the mics they used colored the sample.
maybe they were going for the sound of a boutique amp mic'd with a high-end microphone. color can be a good thing.
Got pretty close but still different.
even with all the hardware used... you guys only uploaded a max definition of 360p...
Well, not really amps are analogue, an industry that pretty is at a standstill. Tube amps as they are made now are never really going to get that much better.
However this new digital market can go further were analogue stops. Yes the price drops faster, but only because more progress has been made in the technology. They are more reliable and a constantly growing market. So for gigging reasons it's a great thing.
Why does this Kemper thing look like it belongs in the intensive care unit of a hospital rather than in a studio?
borin ell mate what more do you want
Profiles sound little bit fizzy and less warm,but not too much.Still its noticeable.
*****
Audience will not hear difference between real deal and Line 6 Bean POD from 1998.
When its about the tone its always about musicians and producers.
Listeners do not give a sh.t about the tone.
I still think its wonderful piece of technology,but obviously still do not sound like a real deal,always possess little bit less warmness,less saturate.So distortions of profiles always sound bit clearer then real deal.Its snapshot so its very close.
In about 5 to 10 years maxium I`m sure we will have even piece of software that will sound totally like a real deal.
Future is in technology.
This is currently the best option.
I agree. Lugging a tube amp and a big pedalboard cannot be justified much longer. The big acts can do what they want of course, but even guys like Lukather has given up on running two giant effects racks with four 100-watt heads.
Take in mind that this video is old, the newer kemper models are almost flawless, it's almost impossible to tell the kemper apart from the real amp, that's why many bands are nowadays using it on their live riggs.
I have a question. can it profile effects and do you need a power amp to run it?
Michael Britt has profiles that include a Timmy pedal so, I would yes it can profile effects. You need a power amp to run it with a speaker cab but not to record with it, if I'm not mistaken.
It reminds me of Megaman :P
I own a book, written by Peter Fischer =D
95%
The day the music died.
put it this way, no matter how gd it sounds it will always lacks the smell of the tubes..
shred What if they could put the tube smell in an aerosol can? There's an untapped market!
Mmmmmmm..... donu, I mean, tuuuuuuuuuuuubes!
You're on to something here....... just ordered my Kemper - they're not sending it fast enough - I'm going to look or some tube smell while I wait.
Well, if you play actively, the Kemper will have basically paid itself in 10 years, considering you'd need to change the power tubes for 120 euros once a year. And imagine, if you have multiple amps! Three amps, and the Kemper has paid itself in less than 3,5 years.
I'd rather not have to deal with tubes breaking down
Aliens ...
Share the profile
wtf this thing sounds exactly like my xtc
Why should I have to profile a Bogner Amp? Shouldn't it be in the Kemper already? When I buy something like this, it's to avoid all this bullshit.
Fred Garvin it comes with presets but you can add your own and also download other peoples presets. There are some great ones online
Sharingan!
You need to know what your doing though with the pre-amps and mics. I could imagine someone not knowing much about micing and getting a shitty sound
The design of the kemper is ugly, but the rack one seems amazing.
Kemper sounds better.
@STARanoff Your comment is awfully ignorant.
don't like at all. Kemper is a lot more "closed" and less "airy" that the original one. Also, generycally so poor in dynamic. From here, to my ears. Curious to try one of this live
I too wish to signal to my musician peers that my sophisticated, highly refined ear can tell that the new technology is cold and thinner my grandfather's technology. Harrumph! Having successfully virtue signaled, I must be off, for I must enjoy my new Arcade Fire album on vinyl with a microbrew while I stroke my neck-beard and contemplate the virtues of a vegan diet and write-in candidates.
if that gentleman is a high profile session guitarist, I feel sorry for the Artist!
The Kemper has me scratching my head! That thing sounds great but that kind of money? I'm sorry I would have to get a Boogie!
Close, but no cigar. Using a Kemper is like eating a store-brand "Oreo" cookie. While it may be close, sooner or later you're gonna want the real deal.
lol, very nice way of putting it
it dosent sound anything like the original ! great distortion box though!
vst software get you closer for tha type of imitative effect
It does awesome cleans as well.
this is just silly. what next? guitarists in a can?
Hi i also have Kemper but its not sound like real amp... never... not
even close
most people says kemper is wow... its not true.. Listen the real amp.
Kemper sounds like a toy. I plan to sell Kemper and I'm going to
Marshall Jvm 215c or 410h
+Dimitar Popov Did you watch the video? Not even close? Really?
So if I cut up this video, labelled the guitar segments A and B, you think you can reliably tell which is Kemper and which is the real amp? Would you be willing to put money on that?
This is studio engineers in an acoustically treated room with high end monitors, and they can barely tell the difference. Live or in a mix, _nobody_ could hear a difference.
Yes, somehow you get from "almost indistinguishable" to "not even close". How is it possible to be _that_ wrong?
+ReductioAdAbsurdum I heard a band play a Kemper live it's true. There is a difference from a real amp to a Kemper. You won't notice it when it's recorded since Kemper models the recorded signals but it sounds very different in a room.
+Alex Dattel There's a difference between an amp in the room and a mic'd amp. In most live venues you end up micing the amp anyway.
True it was a pretty small venue so the guy decided since he had the powered Kemper version to play through an Orange PPC412 that was there as a backline anyway. It sounded huge in some parts but most of the time the other guitarist's Orange Rockerverb just sat better in that particular live mix. Maybe it would have been better if the Orange was mic'd and the Kemper went through the PA instead of the Orange Cab
+Alex Dattel The PPC412 is a guitar cabinet, not a flat frequency response monitor. The Kemper already captures the coloration caused by a guitar cabinet, so running it through _another_ cabinet will sound like shit unless you can somehow remove the cabinet/mic from the profile, which the Kemper is not particularly good at doing. The Kemper should have gone through the PA, or a FRFR amp.
Not even close!!!!!
lol. Close you eyes, don't watch the video, let a friend of yours skip between different sections and ask you to identify which is which...you'll be wrong, then you'll realize how ridiculous your comment was.
You sound exactly like I did Kenny! Right up until a half hour after my Kemper had been delivered to my door. When you've 'profiled' an amp in real life as I and other Kemper owners have, you too will be 'singing a different tune'. It's a very advanced piece of technology, which unlike so many others,'works as advertised'. Period.
What about 'real musicians' who want to profile their expensive vintage gear that they worked for so many years to get sounding just they way they like it and are worried about losing their tone incase their hardware ever fails because the products are discontinued? I know of at least 3 Kemper users who have done this - their expensive boutique amps can't be replaced, but they can be preserved in time using a Kemper.
Good job man.
Photographers used to say the same... ;)