Team Falcons' Biggest Issue / Is Nexa the problem in G2? - Snake & Banter 57 ft pita
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Thorin and Mauisnake are joined by coach Faruk "pita" Pita to discuss MOUZ and their victory at ESL Pro League, HEROIC picking up degster, problems surrounding Team Falcons, a flaw in HLTV ranking and how it affects donk, blameF settling for Fnatic, nexa and G2, Complexity at ESL Pro League, and more.
pita's post on G2 and nexa: / 1783967461622112280
Snake & Banter is a Counter-Strike talk show, hosted by Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Alex "Mauisnake" Ellenberg, themed around each individual selecting a good, bad and ugly topic to discuss.
This video was recorded on May 15th, 2024.
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0:00:00 - pita's good point (CS is becoming global again)
0:18:08 - Mauisnake's good point (MOUZ)
0:28:29 - Thorin's good point (HEROIC with degster)
0:35:23 - pita's bad point (Falcons)
0:56:18 - Mauisnake's bad point (Sample size in HLTV rating & effect on donk)
1:06:11 - Thorin's bad point (blameF settles for Fnatic)
1:20:27 - pita's ugly point (G2 and nexa)
1:36:29 - Mauisnake's ugly point (The highs and lows of Vitality)
1:46:58 - Thorin's ugly point (Complexity's fool's gold run at ESL Pro League)
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#Thorin - Ігри
Hey everyone, it’s pita here.
I wanted to provide some additional thoughts on the topic of Falcons team talk that I missed during the show. (It’s my bad point).
When it comes to team discussions, I prefer to limit emotional feedback. I can either do that by letting the emotions cool down a bit (don’t talk right after a game) or I can control the talks and stop people if I realize it’s going too far.
I believe rational feedback is generally more constructive. The reason for this is that many individuals in this scene struggle with managing their emotions when giving and receiving feedback. Additionally, it can be difficult for some to apologize if they went too far after their emotions have cooled down, which means the emotional feedback tends to stay more than it should with the receiving end.
I’ve experienced some cultures having an easier time dealing with this kind of feedback, for an example Eastern Europeans. While some cultures have a hard time dealing with it, Scandinavian for an example.
Now there might even be differences within a culture, so for me it is extremely important to see the individual as an individual, get to know the person and how we works, and then adapt to him until he adapts to you and the group. Coach him with whatever tools you might have. Take help from the leader of your team, if that is a f0rest taking on a big brother role, or take help from a sport psychologist if possible.
That being said, its unrealistic to eliminate emotions from discussions entirely. As a coach, its crucial for me to manage these talks and prevent them from escalating unnecessarily.
With only five players, maintaining control is essential. You cant sub someone out as in other sports if that guy is mentally out of it due to an emotional team talk. This was my main point regarding the Falcons discussion-they should have intervened before things went too far. Zonics point was valid, there was no need for the others to go down the same road. The coaches shouldve intervened and controlled the situation. When the point is made, move on.
Furthermore, if you have a younger, talented player who may lack the same level of confidence as others, it’s important to build their confidence up. As a coach you need to protect the mentally weaker players. If you are surrounded by legends as BOROS wast, you need protection until you become a legend yourself. Acknowledge the talent’s individual skill if that’s what theyre good at. Sometimes, a little white lie can go a long way for a talent. Building up any player’s confidence, especially during a tournament, is vital. At the top level of CS, confidence can make the difference in winning games. Even if that player is stupidly confident. Doing stupid stuff with confidence ironically works in cs. Think about the confidence of players like Donk, Monesy, Zywoo, and S1mple-obviously they are fucking insane players, imagine if you can get 5 or 10% of their confidence to a young talent. You get my point.
I respect that others may have different opinions and approaches to team management and discussions. This is just my perspective.
I hope you enjoy the show, and I'd love to hear your thoughts!
/Pita
I think you rambled a bit too much in your bad point. Try and be more concise. I am not being rude, I am just dutch. For the rest, you seem like a very sympathetic person
Bro what go read hltv short articles , im hear to listen to some good cs talk.@@julius477
You did really well and I personally liked your points. That doesn't mean I agree on all of them or I don't think of some details in a different way but that's great. Seeing different angles and hearing another opinion keeps your mind awake and it will show everyone that there are many sides to the same story. Hopefully this will keep people tolerant and open to new ideas, as no one ownes the truth and everybody should be aware of that.
That being said, don't be afraid of people disagreeing with you. However your comment makes your arguments clearer and easier to understand.
Personally I struggle too with speaking freely to a complicated topic. It's hard to cover all aspects in a comprehensible way without accidentially leaving parts out and mentioning them later out of their immediate context.. to speak well, I need a huge amount of preparation which I wouldn't be willing to invest for a discussion like this.
Thorin and Maui are experts on speaking freely in front of a camera, maybe it is simply talent, maybe it's years of experience. Probably both is needed to reach their level, but you kept up with them rather well. That's also what I like about Thorin, he can be straight fire, no holding back and no censoring but he never makes any of his guests look bad. No matter how good or bad his guests are, he makes them a bit better
Thanks for coming on pita u were a great guest
@@julius477I appreciate the honest feedback. I feel pretty comfortable talking in English but sometimes I get stuck😄 hopefully I’ll be able to get better at it at one point
Respect to Thorin once again. Doing the last few shows even though he's had a bit of a cough. Hope it's nothing serious and get well soon
He's puffing on the freeze pipe voraciously you bellend
Does PITAs time on NiP count?
Ofc it does nip were still top10 under him mostly
BlameF for Floppy would have been 🔥
pita has been looksmaxxing
I watched the whole episode in one sitting. Pita really made this a great trio of varying opinions and analysis. Really enjoyed his takes on how much roles acually matter in Counter-strike for individual and team based performance. Lovely episode cheers!
Thorin got 1 thing wrong though. Unlike Valorant were big tournaments are gated and only franchised clubs can get into it. In CS, its not the case. Recently there was a small boom of CS in India after Nordiwn and Blast did their Draft series. Counter strike came back into conversation despite Valorant had a bigger market. If people feel they have an opportunity go big in an eSport, they will come to it. When PubG went out in India. People switched to CoD-M. People are just looking opportunities to make big. The eSport that will provide them the opportunity will get the crowd.
Also, one of the Perfect World executives mentioned that when they hosted a Dota 2 major in China, the number of Chinese players for that game during & after the major skyrocketed for a good while
And that was (apparently according to Dota 2 players) not that good of a tournament
Now imagine if the Perfect World CS2 Major is as good or atleast on the same league as Copenhagen? How many players would that bring in and how many of them will stay and even bring in some of their friends to play CS maybe for the first time?
Do you happen to be indian?
Pita in his bag on the BlameF, Fnatic analysis...!
Great insight from pita. Thanks
2 hours! Have a great weekend everyone
17:24 What is stopping them from installing the game?
Bring back pita for more videos😎
I can tell u so easily who's shit in Falcons 😂 Maden and Snappi..
10:50 thorin lol
Curiously, I did a calculation of Valve's Top 50 & Top 100 teams and what percentage come from each region and the numbers came out quite close the representation we have at Majors.
But there arent 100 teams in the major.. Take the first 48 or 32 maybe
@@laurentiumocacoca175 I took both the top 50 and the top 100. The percentages were similar.
48 is close to 50.
@@RobCooper-Bachatador i understand what you mean, but I dont think that all teams in top 100 are relevant. Top 30 is the most important imo
@@laurentiumocacoca175 Top 30 is potentially too small a sample size especially considering that several of the qualifiers, even those that make it to the second stage are outside the Top 30. Including several European qualifiers.
Consider that the top 20-30 teams often lose to other Top 30-60 teams. Also consider that the Top 20 is heavily influenced by partner teams, as well.
@@RobCooper-Bachatador but you dont often see other teams even if you look at open qual tournaments
To me and this might sound weird, I wasnt surprised by Dupreeh cause he couldnt be in a top team anymore, I was surprised by Dupreeh because at least in terms of to me he's very similar to Maden. He's not a superstar player, but hes a mega-veteran that has popoff potential. He doesnt really fill the same role in terms of "star player" that someone like Niko, Donk, Xertion etc. does.
Frank answer, they can keep either Maden or Dupreeh, but to me they need higher peaks out of SunPayus more often and then they need some consistent fragging power. Doesn't necesarily have to be a superstar, just a star. And if they want to contend and be "the best" well then they need a super-star. Cause they need to contend with superstars. BlameF and others come to mind, but people who have high fraggingpower on particularly the CT side i think is crucial in the current meta.
Why is maui always set in airquotes?
recorded before cadian news?
what is the news?
@@heavenlydemon551 might be getting benched by Liquid...
@@heavenlydemon551 if liquid do this then fuck this org lol
Probably yes.
Thats rough!
The point about Donk not having enough maps seems rather ill-informed.
Firstly, Spirit weren’t turning down any tournaments, they didn’t play EPL because they couldn’t get visas on such a short notice.
Secondly, Donk currently still has more maps against Top 5 opposition than Zywoo, and after BB Dacha will have more maps against Top 10, and about the same number of maps against Top 20 and Top 30.
Spirit are scheduled to appear at pretty much all the same tournaments as Vitality after BB Dacha, so unless Zywoo manages to significantly outperform Donk in the majority of them or/and get significantly more maps from them, Donk should easily get HLTV #1 this year.
Also, Vitality wasn't in Chengdu and while Vitality played more games in Pro League than Spirit did in Dacha, it's still the same number of tournaments overall.
So...yeah, it's not surprising Zywoo doesn't have more maps than Spirit, especially because Vitality bombed out in Kato and thus played way fewer maps.
Donk: 33 maps
Zywoo: 49 maps
Monesy: 74 maps
Seems like zywoo and especially monesy have a good amount of maps more than donk.
@@mariushager9983 Seems like you haven’t read my comment.
@@mariushager9983 But it doesn't matter if they have more. What's important is that the sample size for donk is large enough. If he has 75 maps and Zywoo has 91, there is no issue.
@@allmite i have but looking at top 5 and top 10 just doesnt make sense from an overall sample size like mentioned in the video
Love the content but Thorin is way off on Falcons here. Sure they can improve and certainly become a solid squad, history would say so, but using the "Dupreeh just got here" excuse as to why this team has been terrible is totally disingenuous. The other four members have been together now for FIVE months (49 maps) and three of them are from the original ENCE roster who have been together for YEARS!
You’re allowed to disagree with thorin how ever I think you’re underestimating the impact changing a player makes on a team roles change, styles can change, and team dynamics can change. 1 player is 20 percent of your team. I think everyone agrees falcons are in a not favorable position but it would be ignorant to assume it’ll stay this bad.
@@josephadcock7449 yeah but they could at least make playoffs at an event where 16 teams make it, come on we're not asking for miracles but be decent at least. Snappi's gotta be better in particular, he's playing like prime hooxi.
My hot take for 2024 is that BlameF will have the 3rd highest stat rating in the world by the end of the year. He won't win anything, but his team dying in the first 30 seconds of each round will pad his stats with exit frags while he saves.
No hate to blamef, as an NA fan, I wanted him on Col.
Great guest with some fresh viewpoints
hot
59:00 They're not a super team because the players aren't good enough to be considered super stars .
For example : People argued Twistzz wasn't a super star in faze but he was for his roles , he was top 20 and he is putting up super star numbers now with liquid where he will again be top 20 , that's why people use them as reference , although the average fun is dumb ; the people who run the algorithm and make the list at the end of the year are quite accurate in their rankings , not 100% accuracy but close enough to be the best reference we have .(also u maui use it all the f**king time , the rating , the impact ...) .
FL1T , fame or jame(awper not IGL) aren't super stars , they weren't consistently top 20 , they can't put up super star numbers consistently even with resource allocation vs top 20.
I dont really agree that hallzerk has had a massive uptick in performance this pro league, especially not because of his contract running out or whatever, He has always been by far the 2nd best player of the team, him and elige were the only fraggers on that team obv with elige being miles ahead, but it feels disingenuous the amount of people acting as if he was constantly shitting the bed. He had bad games obviously but that was when the entire fucking team sucked, he hasnt ever let the team down alone so its so insane to me people act as if he is the bottleneck. Also, even if he did suddenly decide to get serious after being told his future on the team is uncertain, holding that against him like so many do also feels strange when Dupreeh got and is still getting the exact opposite treatment from when zonic said he would be kicked if he didnt improve
Weren't you guys flaming Boros in Falcons?
Now that he left you kinda think he was a good fit?
20:42 Maui doing some lines
Damn, first I thought that's a funny little joke but.. for real..
what the hell is he doing? 😮
Does it even ryhme with joke? 😅
He is ripping these lines of joke 😂
really strong allergies. grabbed flonase
Lmao that's so funny
-noobxa after dallas
nexas aim is like watching my grandma going down the stairs
nexa has good aim and alright stats for his roles.. tf are u talking about
@@dpc_arrow not even close to jks performance
@@nikolanikolov1402 jks rating for g2 1.06 vs nexa 1.03 rating. But ok not even close
Regarding nexa in G2: I think when after winning tournaments and switching later in last year, what niko said in an interview was that they need actually a passive lurker and not a star one just to allow niko and hunter do their things. I know jks was doing great but the actual point of switching him was this one that their lurker should be a passive one. The problem is that even after that, hunter and niko are failing do their things and sometimes here and there they show how they could destroy the defense but they are not able to deliver that consistently. Even in the major, niko was not in his best form and hunter also at times struggles.
So theoretically, I don't see nexa as a problem. It's just that they are not able to capitilize even after a passive lurker.
Sometimes you actually don’t know what you need until you lost what you just replaced. Hunter and niko performance are nowhere near their go performance. Sure it’s cs2 but it’s been a year and most pro already got to where they were.
Putting nexa in with his passive lurk style is doing them more harm than good.
With donk the would've been #1 is all on them if they don't ay as much then he doesn't get #1 look at Monesy he plays almost every tournament there's a big difference
m9nesy should s1mple himself
Maui is so right. Boomer falcons stand still they are old and grumpy. Grandpa Snappi it’s time for bed.
Nexa is the problem for G2. Pointblank, period. The downgrade from jks is astronomical in terms of mechanics, game awareness, pro-activeness, working with the team in the mid-rounds, retakes, opening up bomb sites on T side. The only thing Nexa might do better, is comms.
what a horrible "bad point" from maui lol. spirit will literally play every event for the rest of the year with a 95% chance, and that sample size will be more than enough for hltv to give donk number 1. he will literally forget that this take even existed by the ed of the year, just a braindead take honesly.
pretty much every player missees out on 2-3 big lans a year. and those are pretty much the only events that donk will miss on, if u just fucking look at the circuit before making any takes.
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isn't being a fan of something because it comes from a specific country/has a specific Nationality Nationalsim and not Racism? Both don't have a great ring to them in modern Language but how did Launders think "reclaiming" either of these words was a good idea...
2 mins ago and 1 comment, y'all fell off 😂🧢
Haha that was a funny comment, did you come up with that by yourself?
No, I have ghost writers ofc just like my idol bbl drizzy
Statistically degster did well, but I watched the entire match....he is so underwhelming. He is mechanically gifted but he plays to bait so freaking hard.
Lol it was his first match with them no?
@@josephadcock7449lol yeah
Good challenge: take a shot everytime pita says uhhh :)
Take a shot for everyone who thinks they would be charismatic and articulate on a popular talk show. Bonus shot if it's not your native language
Actually you’re the first one to ever comment this about me. But you’re 100% right 😂 I will try my best to fix for next time 😄😄🙏
When any pro player uses word "like" or "all that stuff" , especially swedes, I want to drink 🍷.
Not talking about you Pita though
@@farukpita3697 dont take it the wrong way, its just a funny thing to drink on. Wasn't meant negatively.